Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

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Citations for early education in infobox[edit]

Any experienced editors who could help add citations to information in infobox that isn't included in the text of the article? Specifically for Glenelg country school and St. John's Parish Day School. Thanks in advance. Yul B. Allwright (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

self-reply just to update: issue was resolved by adding education info and citations to article body Yul B. Allwright (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Molecular biology research[edit]

Opoku-Agyeman conducted molecular biology work:

Is this relevant, or does it make the article look like a resume? Should it go into the article? -kslays (talk • contribs) 03:04, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • We should see if there is any news coverage or even a university press release regarding the research. Then we could describe it in text, rather than just including the text version of the references themselves. SilverserenC 03:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elementary and Middle School education, NBER visiting research fellow[edit]

I am not currently editting this page yet because of the controversy surrounding this page, but it seems to me that the part about her elementary school and high school is quite superfluous; I suggest deleting this part. Also, the article states that she is a "Visiting Research Fellow" at the National Bureau of Economic Research. Research fellows are high prestigious NBER appointments for professors and advanced PhD students; I also can't seem to find a source for her title as a "Visiting Research Fellow"; her job is most likely that of a research assistant at NBER. Finally, the part which states that she " took classes in preparation for a graduate degree" is not useful information and I suggest that it be deleted.

I have put these suggestions on the talk page because they seem somewhat unfavourable to the subject of the article, and I have no intention of involving myself in the minor controversy currently surrounding this article. If there are no objections, I shall proceed with my proposed edits. --Ysjzysn (talk) 04:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman
Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

Created by Yul B. Allwright (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: I think the suggested hook is inaccurate, because she is not yet an ECONOMIST. Ms Opoku-Agyeman is an activist, a writer, and a student of economics. She has been influential in the field of economics for her organizing work and writing about the field, but not thus far for her own research or teaching. I have no objection to ALT1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs)
    • One does not become an economist by getting a graduate degree in economics. One becomes an economist by practicing economics. "She has simultaneously held an appointment as a visiting research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research." would indicate that she meets that standard. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I’m having difficulty verifying that Visiting Research Fellow is even a position at the NBER (see Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman#Dubious).
        Even ignoring that, it’s a stretch to call someone an economist when they do not have an economics degree (besides a minor in Economics), do not have economics publications (besides blog posts), and have not been described by independent RSes as an economist. Just go with ALT1. — MarkH21talk 11:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please take a look at the way "economist" is used to describe notable people in Wikipedia. Look at the pages in lists such as List of economists--all of these people who work as economists in the 21st Century have PhDs. There is a reason that all of the economist categories were removed from this page, after much discussion among editors. And note that while "Faculty Research Fellows" at the NBER are highly competitive positions for economists, "Visiting Research Fellow" is a different title used for post-BA students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs)
  • I will leave it to the reviewer to decide whether the sources support ALT0 or not. That's why ALT1 exists. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Off-topic discussion about the now-closed AfD.
:* Comment: The article may have survived its AfD nomination due to the subject's blatant Twitter canvassing, but it's still pretty much an open question whether solicited biographies like this should remain in Wikipedia. I would refrain from prominently featuring it on DYK in the meantime. --bender235 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good Grief! You made your opinion quite clear in that AfD discussion, and other active, experienced editors disagreed with you. It's absurd to say that the article survived AfD due to the subject's Twitter posts when we don't know how the AfD discussion would have evolved otherwise. (I argued that the page should be Kept before I saw the Twitter posts, and I wasn't alone.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs)
  • As elaborated here, more than 20 of the roughly 35 Wikipedians commenting on the AfD had practically dormant accounts (no contribution in more than a month prior), including seven single-purpose accounts only created to dump a comment and leave. Clearly those people only showed up because of canvassing. As you may recall, the AfD was closed without prejudice. --bender235 (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of the at least 10 active Wikipedians commenting on the AfD, you appeared to be one of two arguing for Delete. If we ignore all of the dormant accounts, new accounts, and IP addresses, the discussion might likely have ended in Keep anyways. In your opinion, is any AfD ever truly closed?--EAWH (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are AfDs that reach a clear-cut decision in either direction, there are AfDs that don't reach consensus, and there are AfDs that are upended because of a deliberate sabotage of the process. The AfD we're talking about falls in the third category. --bender235 (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was created on June 5 and nominated the next day. Length and sourcing are adequate. Article appears neutral in tone. I have minor concerns for plagiarism. The phrase "the representation of Black women in quantitative fields such as economics, data science, and public policy" is verbatim with the source. Is this best represented within quotation marks to support the hooks? Hooks are interesting and verified with the sources provided. Citation [10] returns an error in the references list. Image of subject is properly licensed on the Commons, used in the article and clear at a low resolution. QPQ requirements are met. Flibirigit (talk) 04:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I wasn't the original author and didn't do a good enough review before nominating this. Thanks for the catch Flibirigit. I've reworded that section and fixed the missing title in citation 10. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article now meets DYK criteria. Both hooks approved with no preference. Flibirigit (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article does not anywhere describe her as "an economist." — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs)
  • I presume that whomever promotes this article will have read the discussion above on that point. There's no need to rehash it. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have struck ALT0. It is best to go with ALT1 which is now properly cited. Flibirigit (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious[edit]

The assertion that Opoku-Agyeman was a Visiting Research Scholar Fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research seemingly can only be traced to WP:PRIMARY source statements from her.

A scan of the NBER website and a search for the position title and NBER doesn’t turn up anything. Does this position formally exist at the NBER? — MarkH21talk 11:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The NBER phone directory shows that Opoku-Agyeman is indeed a member of the NBER staff, but does not list her title. "Visiting Research Fellow" is a title some university departments give visiting graduate students from other universities. Since Opokyu-Agyeman has said she was talking classes at Harvard in preparation for a graduate degree during this period, I see no reason to doubt that she has accurately reported her title at NBER.--EAWH (talk) 11:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It’s a title used by various university departments, but that it doesn’t seem to be one used by the NBER is the cause of doubt. It might just be a transplanted title used by her as a convenient way to describe what her position is roughly equivalent to.
By the way, do you have a link to the directory that you see her listed under? She’s not in the directory of NBER researchers. — MarkH21talk 11:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.nber.org/forms/telephone.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talk • contribs) 11:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There have been Faculty Research Fellows, Research Fellows, Research Economists, Research Associates, and Visiting Scholars, who have all been somewhere between a post-doc and a full professor at universities while holding those positions. I still can’t find a single other person who has claimed to have been a Visiting Research Fellow at NBER, nor any other trace of this title there.
The claim that she held this particular title is still dubious. To resolve this, one could remove the position and write that she was at the NBER in some capacity, one could write that she described herself as having this position, or one could demonstrate that this position actually exists at NBER. — MarkH21talk 15:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC); revised 15:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why not change it to "She engaged in research at NBER"? The exact title confuses more than it clarifies, given that NBER research fellows are established researchers; the title of NBER visitng research fellow inevitably draws that association. I don't think visiting research fellow would be the actual title used by NBER, given that the NBER research fellow is something established researchers fight over; NBER wouldn't add a visiting to that for pre-docs.--Ysjzysn (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this is the best way to proceed.--EAWH (talk) 15:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw these comments as I was editing my comment; I agree with the suggestion. — MarkH21talk 15:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Press mention of Wikipedia article[edit]

---Another Believer (Talk) 23:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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