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User:Victuallers and misuse of the admin tools[edit]

When looking at Special:NewPagesFeed, I noticed Rose Edouin, a creation by User:Victuallers with the indication "Previously deleted". Having been aware of multiple issues with some of their creations, I checked what this was about, and noticed that they deleted an apparently perfectly valid redirect before creating the "new" page under their own name. I raised this at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Rose Edouin, and checked their logs to see if this happened regularly.

Sure enough, the last few weeks alone, they deleted existing redirects at Terri Libenson, Nell Gifford, Louisa Henrietta de Rivarol and Ena May Neill. A lot worse was their Undeletion of Caroline Elizabeth Newcomb, with the reason "This page was deleted without explanation. She is notable by AU experts. How this missed AfD baffles me. I strongly suspect this was a bit of stalking and they didnt even use their ownname." No idea how they succeeded in missing the rather clear explanation given by User:Justlettersandnumbers at the time of deletion: "G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of,". And sure enough, Victuallers succeeded in bringing a copyright violation back into the mainspace...

The combination of repeated WP:INVOLVED misuse of the tools (deleting valid page history to get the credit as page creator) and misuse of the tool to undelete a copyvio (with the lack of competence in not even finding the deletion reason), coupled with other recent issues like copyright violations, total disregard for proper attribution (which had to be explained nearly step-by-step before they got it), ... makes me doubt that they should continue to be an admin, but perhaps some clear final warnings from uninvolved editors may be sufficient? Fram (talk) 16:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm a newish admin, and AFC is not my main cup of tea. Isn't it common practice to G6 a mainspace redirect—one that has only minor history—to make way for an AFC draft publication? That's what happened with Terri Libenson. Victuallers is not credited as the page creator, since another editor created the draft. I haven't looked into the others. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At least Rose Edouin was not an AFC accept/move. It was a copy-paste-edit fork from another article, slapped in place after deleting the redirect. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've struck out Libenson, as that is the only one not deleted to put his own creation. I don't know if this is or isn't standard AfC practice, but in any case it doesn't belong with the others in this report, thanks. Fram (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that Newcomb isn't as clear a copyvio as the original deleter thought - the referenced article it copies from is licensed as CC BY 4.0. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
SarekOfVulcan, I haven't yet read this discussion (to which I was pinged) in full. I think you may be partially right about the Newcomb article – the page carries no CC release and is clearly marked as copyright, so may (or may not) fall under their "otherwise noted" exception (wouldn't it be good if institutions could learn how to implement the CC releases they want to make?). But I see no justification for the copying of content from here, and am guessing that that was my principal reason for deleting the page on 28 November 2018. There was then, and still is, a substantial CCI still open for this user (any help much appreciated!). I've removed the residual copyvios from the ADB from Caroline Elizabeth Newcomb. We really need to engrave in stone that G12 deletions may not be restored. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Rose Edouin had exactly one edit, creating a redirect. There is nothing else in the history. Anyone with the page mover right would've been able to move a draft on top of it, replacing it. It's pretty standard, and the history didn't need to be recovered. Could some admin check to see if the histories of the Gifford, Rivarol, and Neill articles are the same? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I undeleted Gifford, as that was a redirect that didn't need to be deleted. I left de Rivarol as it was, because the redirect was created by Victuallers themself. Neill, I'd like a second opinion on. Victuallers created it in 2015. After a couple of edits and a short talk page discussion, it was redirected. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I undeleted the deleted edits on Neill. They are relevant to the article history, and the first edit was by Victuallers, so that wasn't an attempt to "steal credit" for article creation. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SarekOfVulcan: What do you mean need to be deleted? Which need to be deleted, which don't, and which need to be undeleted? The whole point of creating this ability in the page mover right is a redirect isn't meaningful content that needs to be retained. If there's more than just a redirect, it should probably be retained, but not just a redirect. The only real function of undeleting a redirect is to ensure the wrong person gets notified if an article is, say, tagged for deletion, and to ensure that the person who might want to receive notifications about incoming links cannot get them. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's a very good point about notifications, Rhododendrites. I want to see how this discussion goes, but I may go ahead and re-delete those two edits, and I wouldn't considered it a WP:WHEEL case if somebody overrode me first. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree it can yield better results in terms of more relevant notifications if redirects are deleted. It does feel a bit wrong if admins use deletion to give themselves creator credit, but {{db-move}} allows anyone to request that, so perhaps it shouldn't feel wrong. —Kusma (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes I think you will find they are the same. This has been discussed before with the same conclusion as yours Rhododendrites. Victuallers (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't see a problem with the deletions. I've done similar myself in the past and done similar for non-admins who have asked me to. A redirect is not meaningful history. Undeleting something that was G12'd is poor; @Victuallers you should have discussed that with the deleting admin first and come to an agreement that it could be undeleted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fram it sounds like you've been working really hard on coaching this admin but haven't been able to build the positive working relationship you'd like to have or elicit editorial/behavioral changes you think are important. I'm sure we can collectively work out a win-win low-drama solution that moves us forward. What's the most critical issue that needs attention? How can we most help *you* today? jengod (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jengod, it sounds like you're using an AI bot and haven't instructed it very well. What is your comment intended to accomplish? Bishonen | tålk 08:16, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I disagree about the desirability of deleting redirects. There's an attribution issue under the license, I believe? One could say that only matters when there have been substantial edits since creation, but that's a slippery slope: Ena May Neill received 2 small copyedits in addition to one by Victuallers himself before its redirection, and the redirect decision itself constitutes another part of the history that should be transparently documented; the discussion is on the talk page of the article and so was presumably also deleted? Also, it's the responsibility of the editor initiating an AfD discussion or other deletion proposal to notify all substantial contributors to the article. Notifying only the creator may be what you get it you let some automated process such as Twinkle do it for you (and that's already more than some nominators do), but in many instances there are others who contributed to the article and thus should be notified. This is a collaborative project; the norm should be that an article gets worked on by multiple editors, and we are held responsible for our edits, including our interactions with fellow contributors, and shouldn't fall back on automated processes as an excuse (or expect everyone to be monitoring their watchlists, another form of automation; those are often huge, plus the article may have been moved and the nomination thus be for a new title). Yngvadottir (talk) 02:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Even in that one article that had more than just the redirect itself -- an article which Victuallers created, but which Fram included in assuming bad faith that Victuallers was "misusing admin tools" to get the credit as page creator -- the only edits that weren't Victuallers did not contain anything copyrightable. Someone ran AWB; another person ran some other script which replaced the name of a template. There's nothing to attribute. I would be curious to hear why Victuallers deleted their own draft instead of just revising the old version, though, because it's odd not because it's insidious. it's the responsibility of the editor initiating an AfD discussion - It's not. Not even the creator is mandatory. Would be nice, but in practice it never happens beyond what's automated. When it does, it's just as likely as not to be labeled canvassing. I know, I know, but these are the times we live in. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So deleting things that don't meet any of Wikipedia's speedy deletion criteria isn't a misuse of admin tools? Huh? * Pppery * it has begun... 04:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What was deleted without arguably meeting G6 or G7? —Kusma (talk) 06:44, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I must be way out of step, then; I've always followed the instructions at AfD and informed all major contributors, and I was pretty horrified when an article of mine was speedy deleted on erroneous grounds (the nominator and the admin had only to look at my first edit summary) without any notification. No, it's not mandatory, but neither is more than minimal civility. It's seriously uncollaborative to ask for people's work to be deleted without the simple courtesy of letting them know (even creators of attack pages should get a templated notification), and automation is a poor excuse. Anyone who can't be bothered to even tell their colleagues that they have asked for their work to be deleted shouldn't be surprised if the level of acrimony and assumption of bad faith on the project continues to rise. (And, as I said, it's a slippery slope. What about the discussion that led to the redirect? What if a non-admin was examining one of those two people's gnoming patterns for some reason, including improving a tool?) It's also wasteful, but I know we aren't supposed to make any arguments based on server capacity. Yngvadottir (talk) 07:11, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My comment was intended to communicate that Fram's first post when he came here looking for help indicated that he believed there were grave issues that needed to be addressed.
>"perhaps some clear final warnings from uninvolved editors may be sufficient?" Fram requested help with coaching. What has he already communicated about that didn't get a response or a behavior change, and what would he like reinforced by other people? jengod (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh I see from your edit summary @Bishonen that you actually think I used AI
to write that comment? LOL and I strongly deny the accusation! The only time I've ever touched such a thing was at my kid's birthday party they coaxed me to give ChatGPT and I asked it to write a Wikipedia article on cienegas of California and it did a meh job. The kids told me I gave it too long a prompt tho. jengod (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What I would like is that other people take a look at their edits (e.g. by removing the autopatrolled right) so I no longer have to inform an admin about copyright violations, the need for attribution and how to do it, that machine translations shouldn't be trusted (or used), ... and that I no longer get the feeling that I'm the only one looking at their sometimes very poor creations (e.g. recently I tried to clean up one paragraph of one of their creations, here, correcting 5 factual errors and some other stuff. I see now that in doing this, I introduced one capitalization error though...). Fram (talk) 08:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oh my gosh I didn't even know we had a policy against machine translations. I have quoted from a Google Translate version in at least two articles bc I didn't know better! (noting inline that the quotes were machine-translated, of course). A nice polyglot came along and did a proper human translation in one case that made it to DYK, but for all I know my sentence from Swedish on my leopard-trainer article is completely goofily wrong. Do we have a translation helpdesk instead? Or what are we supposed to do if we're monolingual idiots (such as myself) but found a reference to a topic we're covering in a non-English source?
  • "the need for attribution and how do to it" - in what way? Like I assume things in new articles created by Vic are referenced...but wonky somehow?
  • Copyvios should just be deleted, right?
  • Have you tried tagging inline and at the top as a form of editorial commentary? When someone puts a critical tag on an article I'm emotionally attached to I usually jump right on fixes if I see any hope of fixing the problem at my current level of expertise. Judicious editorial criticism is the most precious thing in the world to a writer. We can be trained, I swear!
  • What about looping in WikiProject reviewers with project tagging? Or a note on talk page? I know that's slower than we'd all like but no one should be working on any part of Wiki in a vacuum, it's a team project, we all make each other better, etc etc.
jengod (talk) 18:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've actually done a few similar undeletions recently (not of Victuallers's work) and I don't really see it as a matter of copyright but of history that's potentially interesting and should stay accessible to non-admins where possible. I think it's interesting to note that Terri Libenson was a redirect for over fourteen years before becoming an article and ditto with Louisa Henrietta de Rivarol (for nearly nine years), and have undeleted them accordingly. I don't think it's quite a deal-breaker and if consensus is that these should be re-deleted I could live with that. An example of a redirect I recently undeleted in similar circumstances was Signe Byrge Sørensen; I found it while checking deleted contributions of Patrick, inspired by this RFC about removal of text about minor edits because the relevant text was added by Patrick way back in 2003. (I went to check his deleted edits from around that time in case I was missing something, and found this edit to "Dating" that I undeleted from around that time). I've found all sorts of things by checking his and my deleted edits, but most of these sorts of deletions seem accidental and almost all deletions I've reviewed by looking at deleted contributions were completely fine. Graham87 (talk) 07:45/08:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also re Terri Libenson, I've just discovered that the talk page was created by a bot in 2014, so in that case I feel more strongly that the corresponding article history should be undeleted to show *why* the bot created the talk page way before the article existed. Graham87 (talk) 07:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that having history accessible to non-admins is a laudable goal, but for trivial bits like redirect creation, notifications going to the right person instead of a bot is an equally acceptable goal. —Kusma (talk) 08:43, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see that as a problem with the tools though (albeit a corner case that's hard to fix). People should take responsibility for every edit they make, either with or without a semi-automated tool, and should check to see whether what the tool is doing makes sense. (Speaking as someone who does all deletion nominations, etc. manually). I've just encountered so many weird cases with so many pages (some random examples) that I barely trust any semi-automated tool here. Graham87 (talk) 09:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I fundamentally disagree that redirect creation is "trivial", choosing to redirect a page to another is an editorial decision with equal significance to choosing to create an article at that title. If bots are delivering notifications to the wrong person then that is a problem with the bot not a reason to speedy delete pages that don't meet the speedy deletion criterion and/or declare other editors' work "trivial". We should always fix the bot to work with the encyclopaedia rather than attempting to "fix" the encyclopaedia to work with an incorrectly coded bot. Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's not just bot and Twinkle notifications that go to the page creator, but also Echo notifications for "someone has linked to your page" that go to the earliest editor in the page history. I don't think there is a good way to fix those in software. But it would perhaps be better for everyone if the creation credit for KAIA (group), a redirect that was turned into an article, would be given to the person who converted the redirect to an article, not to me who just happened to create the redirect while gnoming. (As an aside, creating articles about people who become important politicians is a good way to be informed about what they do; my most successful article creation is Ursula von der Leyen and she gets a lot of links). —Kusma (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Echo notifications should also be fixed, for exactly the same reasons (phab:T66090 is relevant). Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Re the KAIA situation, I agree because you created the redirect before the girl group was even founded, so I moved the redirect edit back to KAIA where it was originally. I've made similar history switches before, such as at "Bardcore". Re echo notifications not going to the page creator: I've experienced it myself but it's a minor inconvenience; for example I think the redirect edit before my article creation in this diff at Kevin Cullen (doctor) is integral to its history. Graham87 (talk) 11:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Strictly speaking, the history of KAIA now a bit of a lie, but it makes more sense than before :) I usually leave such situations alone unless there is a good reason to mess with the histories. —Kusma (talk) 12:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Vis à vis User:Justlettersandnumbers: Copyright issues; but alerting Victuallers is 'silly [and] nagging'. Also [1]. No brainer. Pull his autopatrolled right. A shame that an editor as supposedly experienced as him needs to be treated this way, but you see, he puts quantity ahead of quality. See UP. Their understanding of INVOLVED was also questioned some time ago. SN54129 13:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Isn't autopatroller bundled with admin rights? Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, I see that it's not, but that admins can grant the right to themselves without discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It used to be bundled, but was removed following an RfC in December 2021. Thryduulf (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 01:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion on Autopatrolled user right[edit]

There's been some suggestions above that Victaullers' Autopatrolled right be revoked or otherwise reviewed, so I am opening this sub-discussion. I have no strong feeling on the matter but it is reasonable to have a discussion-- I reviewed Victaullers' article creations over the summer as part of a CCI request Fram submitted. I was planning on declining the CCI as the violations were too small and sporadic to warrant a lengthy review for copyright issues. However, Fram raised issues regarding source-to-text integrity and factual errors that I thought might be appropriate for review at ANI. I got busy with other stuff before I could action this though. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"planning on declining the CCI" ?? I'm confused. The CCI investigation was refused. Is there another? At some point we need to draw a consensus and decide whether editors working together are allowed create new articles even though another editor doesnt like it. The articles are not unpatrolled, they are all recorded for the review of editors as you can see in the edit histories and the number of views. My quick request about "coaching" said "Coaching is a partnership between coach and client" - we shouldnt misuse the word here. I'm not sure that anyone has ever become a successful coach by insisting that they need to be involved. Victuallers (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Victuallers Sorry, I left out the detail about the CCI already being declined. I was planning on declining it and then opening a discussion in a different venue, but I got busy with other stuff and it was declined by someone else before I could do this. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 03:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am willing to WP:AGF on Victuallers deleting redirects, but restoring a copyvio article without removing the infringing text is hard to do. I wasn't able find evidence of any further errors on Victuallers' part, but a thorough review may be needed. Until then, I am undecided on whether to revoke Autopatrolled status. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was my mistake - I misthought that it had been deleted anonymously. Victuallers (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apart from the issues listed above, there are things like using unreliable sources (e.g. here), making basic factual errors (e.g. [2]), even reintroducing wrong WP:OR claims after they have been corrected ([3] and [4]). General cleanup is often necessary as well[5][6]. These are just some examples from the few articles I touched during NPP, I skipped a lot of them to avoid giving the impression of harassment. Fram (talk) 07:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Revoke Per above. There are too many issues, too frequently, with too much concern for quantity over quality; V. would probably find it, after all, easier to follow summary style and attribution if he wasn't currently trying to write an article about a woman every day again. He would also be able, after 16 years, to adhere to copyright policy, which would be nice. SN54129 13:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Revoke I concur. There have been too many issues that would have been more quickly and easily corrected had V not granted themselves autopatrolled. Time to put the training wheels back on. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Revoke but doesn't go far enough. Revoking autopatrol, with a statement in the close of this discussion that Victuallers should not re-grant it themself, will help with the issues Fram mentions in their post of 7:51 on 26 September, which makes a good case that Victuallers' articles need to be examined at NPP. But questions of admin conduct have been raised, and revoking autopatrolled has no bearing on that. There's disagreement here over the redirect deletions, but I believe it's important to maintain the policy of keeping speedy deletion for uncontroversial deletions. From the perspective of an admin, who automatically sees the deleted edits in a history, it may seem that deleting a redirect that was once an article with a short history is inconsequential, but it's not completely uncontroversial, as this discussion indicates. And a distinction should be made between deletion to make way for mainspacing of an article that's been through examination at AfC (by a separate editor who's been vetted for the filemover right; and often, perhaps usually, the redirect being deleted originally related to a previously deleted article, or a mainspace article that was draftified), and an administrator deleting a redirect to move their own new article over it. Why? That's not a housekeeping edit. Either expand the redirect to create the new article (which is what I would do) and watchlist it, or if the new article itself has a significant and overlapping history, do a history merge. @Victuallers: Can you please explain what you meant by At some point we need to draw a consensus and decide whether editors working together are allowed create new articles even though another editor doesnt like it.? I don't see anyone here objecting to your creating new articles (and I personally don't care at all if you choose to do one a day, or believe that that precludes making them adequately referenced, accurate, copyvio-free, and otherwise ready for mainspace), and I don't see any criticism here leveled at anyone with whom you collaborate. Accordingly, when I first read it, that sentence read to me like a strange assumption of bad faith. And have I missed your responding to the issue of your deletions in order to replace existing redirects with your own articles? Under the principle of admin accountability, I was hoping that when you responded here, you would address that issue; and I don't see a remark insinuating that people's objection is to your creating articles as being a satisfactory response. What am I missing or misinterpreting? I do see you apologizing (in your response to Scorpions1325) for undeleting the copyvio, but again, what do you mean by I misthought that it had been deleted anonymously? Who deleted it is plainly visible in the log; if I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I had the admin goggles) you would have seen it as a line in the article history; and things are deleted by named admins, not by anons. If you meant "in response to tagging by a drive-by IP", it doesn't matter who tagged something for speedy deletion unless one wants to take it up with them, or even whether it was tagged first; the really important thing is the criterion/speedy deletion category, and the second most important which admin actioned it, in case there's a need to discuss whether the criterion was applicable. Again, could you please clarify how you missed that the text was deleted as copyvio? Yngvadottir (talk) 03:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Yngvadottir: In response to your first ping I meant "The articles are not unpatrolled, they are all recorded for the review of editors as you can see in the edit histories and the number of views." The contention is that the articles need to be patrolled... but they are. They may not be seen by patrollers but they are seen, read and improved by well respected editors whose names can be found in the edit histories of "the articles" (that it is suggested need to be auto-patrolled). When you said "in response to tagging by a drive-by IP" thats exactly what I meant. Your comments are helpful in outlining my mistake. Which is what I meant, when I said it was a mistake. Can I add that your presumption that I might change my own rights appears to me as bad faith. Victuallers (talk) 07:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Revoke and no self-granting, given the issues raised above, this is essentially a warning to tighten up the quality of editing. starship.paint (RUN) 15:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

SummerKrut (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

SummerKrut has made multiple personal attacks in edit summaries, using the Russian language for the strongest attack, potentially with an intent to evade detection. Examples:

  • ни к чему твой крестовый поход против русского языка не приведëт "your crusade against the Russian language will lead nowhere."see diff on Riga
  • отмена правки гиперпатриотичного украинца "canceling the edit of a hyperpatriotic Ukrainian" see diff on Kupiansk
  • сколько польских сортиров уже отмыл? "How many Polish toilets have you cleaned?" see diff on Riga
  • сколько польских сортиров уже отмыл? "how many Polish latrines have you cleaned?" see diff on Severomorsk
  • не надоело отменять всë подряд? "Aren't you tired of canceling everything?" see diff on Ganges
  • you are not allowed to edit pages related to eastern europe anyway see diff on Borshchahivka
  • let's wait for them to end up not providing any arguments and shaming themself see diff on Ganges

I have previously reported SummerKrut at ANI for battleground behaviour in particular on the contentious topic of Eastern Europe (see [7]). That ANI derailed a bit when two administrators got into an argument with each other. SK got blocked by @User:Lourdes and that block got lifted after SK retracted the personal attacks and promised to not repeat them [8]. Unfortunately, the above edit summaries show that this promise has not been upheld. I consider the fact that the attacks are not in English an aggravating factor as this makes it hard to detect for >99% of Wikipedians (few will Google translate edit summaries to hunt for incivilities).

Beyond hiden personal attacks, SummerKrut also regularly leaves misleading edit summaries: e.g. marking page moves as minor.

The majority of SK editing activity appears to be adding Russian language names to places outside of Russia, which they do usually without edit summaries (65% of major edits since June 2023 without edit summary [9]. AncientWalrus (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC) AncientWalrus (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have blocked SummerKrut, who was previously blocked for one week in June for personal attacks. In light of that earlier block and the continuing attacks -- I verified the translations of the attacks in the edit summaries -- I have blocked them for one month.--SouthernNights (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    With all due respect, a month sounds like too little for someone who has already been blocked for personal attacks, had his block lifted after promising not to engage in such behaviour in the future, and not only has continued to do so but does so in another language to try to slip it under the radar. Also implying that someone has been forced to go to Poland as a refugee and makes a living cleaning toilets is way beyond the pale. Cheers. Ostalgia (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks @SouthernNights. I am no expert in blocks but I think the question of WP:NOTHERE arises. Instead of apologizing for their vile comments, in their response to the block, they suggested they will leave even fewer edit summaries in the future (recall that 65% of SK's major edits have no summary at all), in their words: the policy you cited clearly states 'All edits should be explained', therefore, leaving an edit summary is my right, not an obligation.. There seems to be a disregard of wider community norms, not just civility. I wonder if an WP:INDEF would not be more appropriate. Looking at the entire editing history shows that most of SK appear to only marginally improve the encyclopedia. It is mostly POV revert warring with "pro-Ukrainian/Belarusian" IPs, undoing undiscussed moves regarding a single vowel change in a small village's name that no one has objected to in 6 years (from Belarusian Novalukoml back to Russian Novolukoml [10]). Alternatively, a topic ban on editing place/event names that are on territory that is not Russia would be a good way to prevent future disruption from SK. AncientWalrus (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

After reading SummerKrut's response, to the block, I'm considering it. But I'd like to hear other admins weight in on this.--SouthernNights (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Certainly a combative fellow. I'm not seeing where SummerKrut has made so very positive a body of work (fewer than 1000 article space edits) as to give the benefit of the doubt. (And to address AncientWalrus above, I'm one of those editors who routinely translates edit summaries/talk page comments rendered in other languages. This being the English Wikipedia, my presumption is that an editor suddenly choosing to communicate in a foreign language is doing so with the hope of getting insults past us, and that presumption seldom proves mistaken.) Ravenswing 23:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed. I just indefinitely blocked SummerKrut. --SouthernNights (talk) 13:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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DaFuqBomm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Impersonate In page Article Skibidi Toilet real name Alexey Gerasimov YouTube Channel Name DaFuq!?Boom!. User edit article spam fake channel name on YouTube. (talk) 19:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is completely incoherent. What are you claiming is happening? What action do you want to take place? Why does this require admin attention instead of a regular user action? --Yamla (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see user DaFuqBomm created account 23 September 2023. It dose not meet Username Policy. (talk) 19:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looking at what's available, I assume they're saying User:DaFuqBomm is impersonating the creator of the Skibidi Toilet series and using it to promote a YouTube channel. Here's a diff [11], pretty clear cut looking at it. Unsure if this requires an immediate jump to ANI (it's the account's only edit so far) but it's not a terrible complaint. Tessaract2Hi! 20:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:UAA would probably be a better venue, as this account is impersonating a youtuber to add spam links to a fake "second channel". (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have indefinitely blocked DaFuqBomm for promotional username, promotional edits. Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Clearpulse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Creating an account for the sole purpose to promote. see its revision on stress ball. B3251 (talk) 00:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@B3251: I can't see that diff now because it was evidently revdel'd. But if the user is promoting a product that is related to their Wikipedia username, you can report that to WP:UAA as a promotional username. Very simple to do with Twinkle. --Jprg1966 (talk) 03:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC) (Non-administrator comment)Reply[reply]
Blocked for username violation. Edit was pretty blatant promotion. Red Phoenix talk 04:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Somebody under multiple IPs continuously vandalizing Sawdust article[edit]

On September 19, an IP vandalized the Sawdust article by adding this edit, stating "Sawdust is the main ingredient in pepperoni and many types of noodles."

Taking a look at the revision history, you can see after having their revision reverted, the IP proceeded to reinstate their vandalism three times before being blocked for a week by administrator @Ponyo. After which, it seems that the IP has been evading their block to once again reinstate their vandalized revision on the Sawdust article, but this time by using multiple IPs & switching to a new one every single time somebody reverts their edit. The following is a list of IPs that have been used:

Judging by the revision history, it seems that the individual waits for several hours before hopping on a new IP and reinstating their vandalized revision, so I do not see this stopping. I'm hoping an admin could look into this and potentially pursue further blocking and/or page protection. Thank you.

Pinging @Novo Tape in case they'd like to provide any input, as they have also reverted the vandal's revisions. B3251 (talk) 02:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I'd like to add that, based on the page history for Ottawa, User:2607:FEA8:D55E:6F00:50FC:255E:F8A5:F824 could possibly be a block evasion of the same user. Besides that, I don't have much to add (although I agree that page protection might be in order). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 03:12, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just popping in to note that Sawdust was protected by Favonian.-- Ponyobons mots 18:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Libya345433 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Editor has created a significant number of unsourced articles, most have been moved to draftspace and some have since been rejected by AfC. (See user talk page). Multiple editors have left comments to try and help, but they have been ignored. See user talk page for history.

Today the editor is linking mainspace articles to their drafts.[12], [13], [14], [15] (there are more, I left these are examples).  // Timothy :: talk  02:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Repeated disruption on Blue zone and talk-page[edit]

Sauljnewman has been edit-warring on the Blue zone article, repeatedly adding original research to the article. If you check the talk-page discussion they have been told many times why their editing is problematic. The same user has admitted to using the other IP addresses (they are all the same editor). I am not sure why they need all those IPs and an account but I will assume good faith as they are not claiming to be different users. After the user was told the content is WP:OR and unreliable they edit-warred on different IPs. After they were reverted they are now using the talk-page on different IPS [16], [17] repeatedly claiming that other users are "blocking" their edits. This is not good faith editing as they have been told why their edits break policy. The user has been told that their edits are WP:OR (the sources they are adding do not mention blue zones) and they seem to be doing their own statistical research, but the user repeatedly denies this and says they are not doing original research. This seems to be reaching close to a case of WP:NOTHERE. A block from the blue zone article may be suitable.

Any admin advice here about what could be done would be useful. At this point the comments on the talk-page from Sauljnewman's are disrespectful and bordering disruption because they have ignored advice from several experienced Wikipedia users. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've semi'd it for 2 weeks. Just giving the rope here for them to try to get consensus on the talk page. Thanks, Lourdes 15:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please allow criticism of the Blue Zones on the basis of government data to be posted on the page.
This is simply not WP:OR. I am citing CDC sources, which are stated by Wikipedia as an example of trustworthy soures, that clearly dispute the central claim of the Blue Zones that individuals have extraordinary lifespan. I am also citing Japanese government statistics bureau and the EUROSTAT database, which likewise show that the lifespan in 'blue zones' regions is not remarkable. The Psychologist Guy is claiming, absurdly, that these independent sources of evidence cannot be cited on Wikipedia because they do not explicitly name-check the Blue Zones. I have repeatedly asked hum why this is necessary, and why govenrnment statistics cannot be cited on wikipedia. He has not been able to state why, and keeps taking down these edits.
The CDC does not need to name-check every fad diet out there in order for it to be cited on wikipedia. The idea is absurd.
The idea that I cannot post Japanses government/EUROSTAT/CDC data to wikipedia, because reading the number from a map or database is 'original research', is equally absurd. Yet these are the objections being put forward here. Sauljnewman (talk) 08:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sauljnewman has been told many times that their edits are WP:OR, check the Blue zone talk-page, it has been explained many times why their edits are unreliable. None of the sources they are adding mention "blue zones". Unfortunately this user is also using an IP address on the talk-page claiming the same nonsense which is now resulting in some personal attacks [18]. I believe this user and their IPs should be blocked. There is blatant disrespect for consensus, policy and other editors here. Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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New SPA User:Sarahbriner1139 has been spamming some sort of jokey spam thing about themselves, using altered copied of WP articles, to main space, user page and their user talk page. They attempted to add the whole thing as a FP to the edit filter, then deleted a big chunk of outstanding genuine FP requests, apparently to bump theirs up the queue. Level 3 and 4 warnings blanked with no response. Clearly WP:NOTHERE.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikishovel (talkcontribs) 17:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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CatmanBw (talk · contribs) edit warring / deleting deletion proposal (1rr violation) + personal attacks on identity.[edit]

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See Wikipedia:General sanctions/Syrian Civil War and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, this user reverting my edit on deletion proposal for this poorly sourced page. my edit, second revert [19]. Also second thing [20] he wrote on my talkpage I kindly ask you not to nominate pages for deletion just because they go against your views. I understand that the article SDF insurgency in northern Syria goes against your views because your Turkish. However, it's one of the chapters of the Syrian civil war and we are trying to document everything that goes in the war for history. So please don't nominate pages just because they go against your feelings. This is not the first time attack on my identity on wikipedia. Beshogur (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I reverted your first nomination for the deletion of the page manually because I couldn't do it automatically. You proceeded to nominate the page again for deletion. There is an obvious bias in your edit history towards a Turkish point of view. Just because you question the conflict of interest of an editor, it doesn't mean that you are attacking them. CatmanBw (talk) 19:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh more personal attacks. Beshogur (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Beshogur, how is it possible that you haven't noticed that PROD may be removed "if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason"? Restoring it after removal was completely inappropriate. --JBL (talk) 19:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for pointing that out. CatmanBw (talk) 19:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Restoring it after removal was completely inappropriate to be honest, I am terrible at nominating articles to deletion. Didn't know that. Beshogur (talk) 19:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Proposed deletion is a lightweight way of performing uncontroversial deletions, see the first sentence of WP:PROD. A proposed deletion can be contested by anyone for any reason (or even no reason at all), and once it has been contested you cannot renominate the page for proposed deletion again. Reverting an editor to reinsert a contested prod notice with incorrect instructions that they cannot remove it [21] then claiming a 1RR violation when they remove it again deleting deletion proposal (1rr violation) seems like gaming the system. (talk) 19:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for noticing that. CatmanBw (talk) 19:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I didn't know that either. However there is nothing called SDF insurgency in northern Syria. Plain made up article compiled with various sources including unreliable ones like twitter accounts and wordpress like websites. Beshogur (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, the insurgency has been documented by one of the most reliable sources in the Syrian civil war, which is the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights . A source that has been quoted by many international news organizations (such as Reuters and CNN). And that's just one source that is documenting it. CatmanBw (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Doesn't change the fact that the article is plain original research. And you see that SOHR is pretty much controversial source. The organization consists only by one person. Beshogur (talk) 19:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The instructions on how the PROD process works were explained in the template you added. If you still think an article should be deleted after a PROD has been contested your next step should be to take it to WP:AFD for a deletion discussion. (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is a google search result from the link Beshogur provided: [AP News] CatmanBw (talk) 19:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The source only talks about PKK insurgency, not SDF insurgency. One particular attack. The whole article is compilaton of bunch of sources. And none of the sources except Foreign Policy stating "There are clearly the indications of an insurgency", and ANF (which is a PKK website) quoting Salih Muslim (had no relation with PYD in 2018) stating guerilla attacks will begin. Beshogur (talk) 19:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Turkish government refers to SDF as PKK to undermine them. In reality, they are not the same organization. (This just proves that you are biased towards a pro-Turkish government point of view). I can bring you many sources that document the insurgency if you are interested. CatmanBw (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This just proves that you are biased towards a pro-Turkish government point of view another personal attack. Just stop. Beshogur (talk) 20:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@CatmanBw Please stop attacking people on the basis on their nationality, and accusing them of bias without providing evidence in the form of diffs to support your accusations. If you continue you are going to end up blocked for making personal attacks. Comment on content, not the contributor.
These arguments about the validity/reliability/relevance of sourcing belong in a deletion discussion, not an ANI thread. (talk) 20:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
From Wikipedia:No personal attacks
"Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic." CatmanBw (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are not "Questioning an editor about their possible conflict of interest", you are attacking them on the basis of their nationality and accusing them of of misconduct/having ulterior motives for their edits without evidence. Either provide proper evidence that Beshogur is making biased/nationalistic edits in the form of WP:diffs or stop. If you continue you are going to end up blocked. (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
CatmanBw, Beshogur's nationality is irrelevant to the correctness or otherwise of the edits, so there's no need to mention it. Beshogur, if you still think the article should be deleted then nominate it for discussion at WP:AFD rather than reinstate the WP:PROD tag, or if you think some other change to the content should be made then go to Talk:SDF insurgency in northern Syria. I don't think there's any need to do any more here, as this seems to be a combination of a content issue and some misunderstandings about Wikipedia processes. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've left a final warning on CatmanBw's Talk page about personal attacks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I still don't understand how it's a personal attack. I did not insult anyone. I was only trying to say that the editor in question has a pro-Turkish government bias (based on their edit history). I am not insulting them in anyway and I have nothing personal against them. CatmanBw (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I explained how above. Be grateful that you just got a warning rather than a block. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I just don't understand why a warning is warranted. I clearly meant to say that the users' content is pro-Turkish biased. And I clearly did not mean to insult them in anyway. Mentioning that someone might be biased is now considered attacking them? That's a taking a bit too far...don't you think? CatmanBw (talk) 20:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Where did you get pro-Turkish govermment bs? Beshogur (talk) 20:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You referred to SDF as PKK, which is a thing the Turkish government does on regular basis. But if you look at objective sources, they consider them different organizations. CatmanBw (talk) 20:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I didn't say that, even if I say, not your concern. Secondly I was talking about ANF which is PKK's media. Also you priorly accused me of that before I wrote here. Beshogur (talk) 20:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No, no, no. You seem quite intent on defining "pro-Turkish bias" as "disagreeing with you." Trying to convince us that calling someone biased because you don't care for their edits is somehow justified is a poor look. Several editors have told you now to cut it out, and less than a month's editing on Wikipedia does not give you the experience to claim that everyone else is wrong and you alone are right. You would do much better heeding the warnings than a disingenuous "But I don't understaaaand ..." Ravenswing 20:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I provided direct evidence on the bias. It's not just speculation. And I didn't say anyone was wrong. I am simply stating my point of view. CatmanBw (talk) 21:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No, you did not. You provided a very indirect supposition, with no stronger basis in logic than to declare that every Muslim has a "pro-Turkish bias" because Islam is state-supported in Turkey. In any event, yes, we've heard your view several times over now, it remains a personal attack, and the more you keep repeating it in an insistence on having the last word, the more you risk it being your last word on Wikipedia. Ravenswing 21:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Ravenswing That's not the equivalent of it. The equivalent of it would be calling the Ukrainian Army: The Neo-Nazi forces. In this case, it is not out of the question that the content might have some pro-Russian bias. I don't care for your threats. At the end of the day, I am fighting to provide bias-free content and help the Wikipedia community. If I am blocked for doing that....then so be it. I am not the one who's gonna lose if pages start getting deleted because people don't like them. CatmanBw (talk) 21:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Chill out dude. I understand your frustration, but your comment : "goes against your views because your Turkish" is a very bad look and is most definitely a personal attack. Specifically, per WP:NPA : "Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views."
    Give it up here, you're on the verge of a block,and you are not irreplaceable. If you really want to help WP, go back to the article talk and work on a consensus. Crescent77 (talk) 22:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I have already apologized about that comment and I explained that I did not mean to say (Turkish). I meant to say (Pro-Turkish biased editing). Mistakes do happen when having a discussion; which is why I thought I was undeserving of a warning. And I have already mentioned that I don't care if I get blocked because I didn't break any rules on purpose. There is nothing wrong with having a discussion. I am not insulting anybody by talking. Also, I never said I am irreplacable, but I did just stop a page that's been on Wikipedia since 2019 from being deleted for no reason.CatmanBw (talk) 22:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Primary, if not sole intent is WP:BOOKSPAMing at multiple articles on behalf of Daniel Newman by BillyGoatsBluff (talk · contribs). This seems like a WP:POINTY response [22]. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not bookspamming. I’m just added relevant resources and adding much needed information to the entry as it previously referenced only one source. BillyGoatsBluff (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You have not answered the WP:COI notice, BillyGoatsBluff. The only sources of interest to you are those provided by Daniel Newman. That's always an indication of conflict of interest, if not self-promotion. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did reply that I don’t know the author and have no connection with them. I simply read the books and added relevant factual information to the Wikipedia entry, not promotion. BillyGoatsBluff (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That you did, and WP:SPA is clear. The Arab cuisine article suggests there are many published sources by different authors. Perhaps administrators will find your explanation credible, in the face of [23]; [24]; [25]; [26]; [27]; [28]; [29]; [30]; [31]; [32]; [33]; [34]; [35]; [36]; [37]; [38]; [39]; [40]; [41]; [42]; [43]. I've omitted many intermediate edits from these diffs. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, Bbb23. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 01:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Restrictions abuse by moderator Wutsje[edit]

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Report on Dutch Wikipedia by moderator "Wutsje". Abusive restrictions and repeated removal of original content information on Bersiap topic. User090998 (talk) 19:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@User090998 This is the English wikipedia. Each language project is individually run and gets to set their own policies and elect their own administrators - you will need to raise this on the Dutch wikipedia as English wikipedia administrators cannot help you in this dispute. (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
user:Wutsje's only recent edit to Bersiap on English Wikipedia is to restore a justified citation needed tag. Meters (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This doesn't pertain to English but Dutch Wikipedia on which Wutsje has installed a block. User090998 (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Dandielayla, Ainsley Earhardt, and competence[edit]

Dandielayla (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Ainsley Earhardt. 5 days, 69 edits, this user is singularly obsessed with a Fox New host's date of birth. They do not understand what it means to find a reliable source, to cite it, to differentiate from reliable vs. unreliable. The article talk page, their user talk, and the RSN noticeboard is just awash with emoji-laden screeds that vary from slightly passive-aggressive to self-deprecating "I'm sry, I suck, sry sry sry", over and over. This person is not grasping what is being required of them to be a competent editor.

Eleven attempts to add the d.o.b. in 5 days.

Please put a fork in this. At the very very bare minimum, an indefinite topic ban on the topic of Ainsley Earhardt, is necessary here. Others may want to go for a full BLP restriction, perhaps. Zaathras (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have indefinitely pageblocked Dandielayla from Ainsley Earhardt. Cullen328 (talk) 22:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wasn’t trying to be obsessed with her article, and her page. I know what I did was wrong, and I say sry bc I understand what I did was wrong. I have ceased on the emojis part, and someone said I shouldn’t give up. Now I don’t know what to think at this point and I thought I was loved for trying to be a good editor. I know I have said I wasn’t good or have said I was stupid, and I know what RS stand for now. Someone explained it to me, and suggested I read the biographies of living persons. This is the last time I will say sry, and I’m really sry for messing everything up for u guys. I may be a failure, and have failed at editing but I understand why I’m indefinitely blocked now from editing Ainsley Earhardt’s article. Plz accept my apology, and thank u 🙏🏻 for helping me. Dandielayla (talk) 00:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: Please read the guidance if you wish to be unblocked. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 01:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh ok, and I will read the guidance to be unblocked. Thank u for the link, and for the tips. Dandielayla (talk) 01:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update. Dandielayla took my and others' advice and tried to improve other articles. They worked from the list of suggested newcomer tasks, but sometimes strayed from or didn't understand the specified task: for example here an attempted image addition and an attempted end date addition tagged as copyediting. They also tried the Teahouse, but unfortunately focused there on the Earhardt article and their block. Some of their problems undoubtedly come from being on mobile—I suspect that's why they keep trying to add inline links. But their talk page also demonstrates that they are finding it very hard to understand and absorb all the information we've been trying to give them. And now after further warnings their indefinite block has been made sitewide by Yamla. I don't know what else we can do; Zaathras appears to have been correct at the outset, CIR. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Note also that the user repeatedly promised to stop what they were doing, only to immediately continue. --Yamla (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It does look like competence, but I'm also going to suggest that using the mobile web interface actively makes editing harder and adding rookie mistakes easier. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Trying to edit talk pages on the mobile app is horrible. Can't work out the indentation. I stopped trying. TarnishedPathtalk 12:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cullen328 said it best here, "We would all be better off if the WMF shut down all these poor quality smartphone/mobile apps, which are an impediment to collaborative editing. I cannot imagine the amount of money that has been wasted on these crappy apps over the years, but "small fortune" comes to mind". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Insertion of theological quotations into numerous unrelated articles[edit]

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Woodworker97 (talk · contribs), essentially proselytizing for Catholicism across the platform. More eyes, please. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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User:Historianarm NOTHERE SPA[edit]

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Historianarm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Karki, Azerbaijan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (moved to Tigranashen, Armenia against talk page consensus) WP:ADVOCACY WP:SPA WP:NATIONALIST WP:NOTHERE just edits this article and almost always is reverted. Previously blocked for edit warring. Arguably this latest page move could be seen as "bold" but I call it belligerent. —DIYeditor (talk) 04:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blocked. Page re-moved back. Tx, Lourdes 07:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mahichowdhury20[edit]

Sorry to jump the queue, but could someone please have a look at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Mahichowdhury20? Multiple active socks are continally creating hoax articles. Wikishovel (talk) 11:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll do it momentarily. Courcelles (talk) 12:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Brilliant, thanks. And thanks User:JBW for the help. Bit of a rat's nest, but the deeper I dug, the more turds I found. Wikishovel (talk) 14:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ziad Aboultaif[edit]

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Having some problems on the Ziad Aboultaif page. An account named User:Ziadaboultaif, that I think (based on the talk page) is run by Mr. Aboultaif's staff, made a bunch of edits to the page that weren't egregious but certainly smelled of promotion. I reverted those a few times, posted notes on the talk page about COI, promotion etc, but received no response. The account has stopped doing big edits but does keep changing the picture on the page to a copyrighted image without evidence of copyright ownership. The account's operator briefly engaged with me on the talk page where I asked them to respect the COI policy and pointed out the copyright problem, but they've stopped responding but continue to re-upload the image (which, incidentally, has now been deleted twice from Commons for apparent copyright violation).

There's also now another account joined in on the same pattern of edits with almost identical edit summaries. I received no response when I posted copyvio and sockpuppet notices on that account's talk page. What's the move here? AntiDionysius (talk) 19:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Their use of "we" in their only talk page response seems to suggest it's a group account. That could be grounds for an indef right there, especially if they won't communicate. EducatedRedneck (talk) 19:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Both accounts indeffed. Page protected x 1 week. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    OK cool, thank you very much. Perhaps would have been easier for me to just report both to AIV but it was kind of a weird case. But the simplest solutions are sometimes the best. AntiDionysius (talk) 20:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @AntiDionysius This was definitely the right venue. AIV is really just for naked vandalism and spam and there were enough side issues that it belonged here. SPI might have worked but this was faster given what was going on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Great, good to know. Tysm! AntiDionysius (talk) 21:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Burvegas and edits contrary to the Manual of Style[edit]

Burvegas (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Burvegas has been warned extensively about their edits to remove logical quotes from articles, most recently last week, and with "final warnings" in March and April of this year. They're right back at it today. I think a stronger message is in order.

Box of wolves (feed) 21:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Logical quotation is acceptable but not mandatory. That's because the MoS is the consensus view of what should be done -- in other words a guideline -- and is not policy, and therefore not mandatory. Editors should keep this distinction in mind and not elevate MoS to de facto policy status. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It doesn't matter if it's not mandatory, there is no good reason to remove them. This makes this user's edits WP:DISRUPTIVE. --RockstoneSend me a message! 21:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wouldn't agree. The "good reason" is a simple preference: which is all the MOS is anyway. Thousands of edits a day do nothing more than establish one editor's preference in phrasing, word choice, formatting and flow over another's. I want a significantly better rationale to call an editor's edits disruptive than that you don't like them. How, precisely, are these edits being disruptive, and what diffs do you proffer as to specifics? Ravenswing 23:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First and foremost, these edits are disruptive because they disregard the consensus-building process. Guidelines such as the Manual of Style reflect community consensus, and editors "should attempt to follow guidelines" in the absence of specific reasons to make exceptions. Burvegas's edits do not follow the community's consensus about the use of quotation marks in articles, as seen in [44], [45], and [46]. Burvegas has not justified these edits beyond stating in the edit summaries and on their talk page that typographer's quotes are preferred in American English, a position that does not align with community consensus on variants of English (at least as concerns writing on Wikipedia). They have not attempted to develop new consensus by discussing punctuation styles on the talk pages for the articles in question or the Manual of Style itself, despite being specifically asked to do so here.
While "thousands of edits a day do nothing more than establish one editor's preference [...]", those editors are expected to engage in dispute resolution should another editor express a competing preference. Multiple editors have expressed a competing preference here ([47], [48], [49]) and attempted to engage in talk-page discussion, and Burvegas has not responded with anything substantive outside what was already included in the edit summaries of the disputed edits, and continues to make similar edits.
The non-MoS edits here are also at least slightly disruptive in their own right; straight and logical quotes are considered best practices for technical and clarity reasons, respectively, and copyediting Wikipedia to conform to the Manual of Style is considered an accepted practice, so making edits that serve only to reduce compliance with the MoS will frustrate the work of those other editors. However, I think the core issue here is the refusal to engage in dispute resolution.
Box of wolves (feed) 01:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did you look at the edits? It's obvious. (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They're disruptive because there's no valid reason to make the change. They're disruptive in exactly the same way that changing a bunch of articles written in American English into British English would be. In both cases it's part of the Manual of Style, is it not? --RockstoneSend me a message! 04:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They're also in violation of MOS:CURLY, causing unbalanced pairs of quotation marks. This is the only kind of edit they seem to make. Is it necessary to prove this is disruption? It is by no metric constructive. Folly Mox (talk) 01:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I understand disliking MOS guidelines but changing the right and not the left double quotation mark to curly (while making no other changes) when others have asked you not to seems facially disruptive. Mackensen (talk) 02:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with that, changing only one side of a pair of quotation marks is disruptive. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


HoodGoose (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Contributions show WP:NOTHERE: overwhelming majority of edits have been reverted, violation of WP:SOAP and WP:BLP [50], appears to be POV pushing [51][52]. Given that almost every single action taken so far has created work for others it may be best to block, or issue warning. AncientWalrus (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC) AncientWalrus (talk) 00:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stale. Lourdes 08:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OWN, NPOV and casting of aspersions by Theresunset on E.A.T. (TV program)[edit]

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(Mild trigger warning regarding self-harm) I would like to make a bit of a complaint regarding Theresunset over what I see as a case of WP:OWN and their apparent vested interest in the show despite them casting aspersions of me being supposedly a fan of a rival series, which I am honestly not interested in either. I have tried rewording the section pertaining to Joey de Leon's insensitive remarks referring to suicide by hanging and how it was condemned by audiences and experts, but Theresunset on the other hand repeatedly reverted my edits and spuriously accused me of "bias" which I honestly tried to avoid. From my interpretation of his wording he tried to downplay de Leon's tactlessness and portrayed those who criticised him and the show as "detractors", "mostly Kapamilya Network fans" as if he tried to emphasise the fabled network rivalry between ABS-CBN and GMA more than the severity of de Leon's self-harm remarks. From what I gather from the sources cited, audiences did point out a double-standard on part of the MTRCB for imposing a suspension order on It's Showtime due to an alleged lewd act by an LGBTQ+ comedian and their life partner but overlooking most if not all infractions by their rival show. Blake Gripling (talk) 01:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article talk-page is this way. (talk) 01:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For transparency, Blakegripling mentioned this issue in the community Discord server and was warned for their attitude. It also helps to provide diffs about what the issue is, because right now this just looks like a content issue with zero attempt at resolution instead of a user conduct issue (e.g. this message shows the claimed aspersions and failure to AGF) CiphriusKane (talk) 02:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do sincerely apologise for the gaffe I made over at the Discord server as it was at the heat of the moment and I wanted to respond thoroughly if not for being late at night on my end. My problem with the user is they blindly accused me of bias without any compelling evidence and spuriously alleged that I am loyal to It's Showtime yet the way I see it I only tried to make the passage as concise and neutral as possible given our policies; the wording on their revision seems to imply a half-hearted attempt at downplaying the subject's fault and put undue weight over the mud-slinging by supporters of the rival show. Blake Gripling (talk) 02:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm leaving a warning message on this user's talk page. The aspersion casting and demonstration of clear article ownership is unacceptable and it will stop now. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done (diff, permalink). If this behavior continues, I think an indefinite partial block from editing these articles is an appropriate next step. Please let me know if the user violates those policies again. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll let this comment slide... ;-) The user was put on notice and now they have to "watch their P's and Q's". Don't do this to other editors; I'll have no problem "upping the ante" to fix this situation. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah shit, here we go again with this inflammatory comment. Blake Gripling (talk) 10:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Oshwah: who is "the user"? Not sure to whom you're referring.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Theresunset (@Amakuru: this is "the user") immediately reverted their addition with the same edit summary so now it's WP:POINTY as well as inflammatory CiphriusKane (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh I see, well given the final warning earlier, and that they've continued making comments like "too biased" In edit summaries, I've blocked them from editing that article. If they are to be unblocked, they'll need to demonstrate that they can edit there collegiately.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Amakuru - Thanks for doing that while I was away. This user's behavior and demeanor, in addition to the policies they've repeatedly violated despite warnings, show me that they simply aren't capable of collaborating and behaving civilly in that article area. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete edit history and block IP range[edit]

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Materialscientist deleted edit history of Revision as of 08:11, 24 September 20 and his revert Revision as of 08:13, 24 September 2023 after I requested on his talk page. Since the IP has also used uncivil language in his edit summary I would request if it too can be deleted then please do so. Now, the IP returned and added the same thing once again here. Revision as of 02:19, 26 September 2023 and was reverted by Box of wolves here Revision as of 02:19, 26 September 2023. I would request to remove the edit history and summary as it is too uncivil to remain on Wikipedia or any public accessible platform. And would want some action to be taken against that vandal IP. Shaan SenguptaTalk 01:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shaan Sengupta -  Done. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Oshwah it seems there is much more left to do. First I would request you to block the second IP have I have mentioned above. Second I want you to have a look at 2402:8100:2009:0:0:0:0:0/48 (talk · contribs). Its clearly a case of WP:NOTTHERE. I think the whole IP range needs to be blocked. Look at the contributions that the IP has made. Nearly all the edits are reverted and most of uncivil edit history is removed. But edit summaries are not removed. The user has repeatedly user abuses in the edit summaries. It will take too much time to mention every revision link. I would request you to look at their contribution and remove the edit history and summaries. And also block the IP user and if possible the whole range. Shaan SenguptaTalk 05:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shaan Sengupta - Sorry, I got pulled into another task that was extremely urgent. Okay, I just got finished checking out the IP range and the edits made from it to make the best determination as to how to stop the disruption. It's important that I make sure that collateral damage is low. Also, you can see that the IP address of the two users you listed begin with 2402:8100:2008 and 2402:8100:2009, which means that the range is actually higher than what the WHOIS shows (2402:8100:2000::/44). I've blocked 2402:8100:2000::/44 for one month, and all disruptive edits and their edit summaries have been redacted. Please let me know if I missed anything. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Oshwah Thanks for the quick action. I understand that admins are occupied with so many things here and the outside world too. As much as I can see, you have done more than what I saw untill now. Will let you know if I see more of this. Best Regards! Shaan SenguptaTalk 06:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Competence is required[edit]

Dustfreeworld claimed that sourced information cannot be verified [53]. I provided verification [54] using sources already in the article. They did not engage in the discussion but removed the information [55] [56] and placed a warning on my talk page, even though there is nothing wrong with most of my edits [57]. This seems like a WP:CIR issue. Vacosea (talk) 04:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This case is mostly a content dispute, but Dustfreeworld has failed to discuss as part of the BRD cycle. I am not an admin, but if Vacosea wants to reinsert the information they feel is not covered, I would be happy to support the inclusion temporarily until discussion is completed, acting as an informal third opinion. Be careful not to revert, thereby deleting the many changes that have been made since your edit, simply make a minimal edit which includes the information you wish to see included.
Dustfreeworld probably needs to show awareness that following a revert which the other user takes exception to, discussion is not optional. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not like that at all, in my reading. Dustfreeworld has not removed anything put by Vacosea, except take out small details due to BLP issues (changing of "cheated three times" to "cheated", or changing "separated for more than two years" to "separated", as these are sourced to breaking news reports). Has Vacosea done anything wrong? No; these are editorial calls. Is Dustfreeworld required mandatorily to comment on the talk page of the article? Absolutely not. Is Dustfreeworld's warning to Vacosea uncalled for? Well, yeah... I think Dustfreeworld did not realise the impact that such a template may cause to an editor who is excitedly placing, whatever can be sourced, into the article. Like what is mentioned above, it is an editorial issue and need not be discussed here. Vacosea, request Dustfreeworld again to give his pov on the article's talk page. For future disputes, please follow the procedures listed out at dispute resolution. Thanks, Lourdes 07:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dustfreeworld said there was speculation/wrong information, but they have offered nothing to question the reports. Allegations of Rockowitz cheating on Lee and their marriage problem were covered before [58] [59], so they are not breaking news, only Lee's death was. If the problem was sourcing, the same or similar English and non-English sources are used to support their own edits about Lee [60]. Their justifications are all contradictory, but I suppose I can try discussing with them one time. Vacosea (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree DustFreeworld answered a reasonable request to discuss with a warning template, that is treading into personal attack territory. Boynamedsue (talk) 16:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually no, scrub that, the warning came first, it wasn't warranted, but it wasn't in response to the request to discuss. Boynamedsue (talk) 23:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I must say I’m really surprised to see this discussion about me.
  • 18:58, 12 September 2023 User:Vacosea made this edit:
They misinterpreted the source as “Lee and her husband moved out of their previous home” (in the source it said Lee moved out of their previous home).
So I added the “Cite check” template to call for source verification:
  • 22:52, 12 September 2023
My edit summary: Added { {Cite check} } tag. The page now reads: “Lee and her husband had been separated for more than two years before she died . . . In early 2023, Lee and her husband moved out of their previous home”? And the source cited mentioned nothing about “early 2023”. I think there maybe more. . . WP:GROWNUPS
What I mean is, if they had separated in 2021, how can THEY moved out of their previous home together in 2023? It’s simply wrong, and the wrong information was added by User:Vacosea.
After that edit of mine, User:Vacosea posted the “verification” they mentioned above to the article talk page and also edited the article and added a parameter (talk=September 2023 verification) to the Cite check template
Cite check|date=September 2023|talk=September 2023 verification
And then, they edited the article again to removed the wrong information they added, per what I had pointed out:
In short, they KNEW they were wrong on that, had corrected it and had posted a “verification” on talk (that post is somewhat redundant IMHO, but now I know how it can be used). I didn’t reply to that post because the article had been corrected already, and I wanted to save face for them (FYI the latter adjustment on times cheated and separation time is basically another issue). NOW I know I was wrong. I never anticipated that it will turn into an accusation of ME being incompetent. They knew they had put in wrong information to the article and they knew why the template was added but still make such false and misleading accusations (that I didn’t engage on talk and show “incompetence”). I suspect there maybe behavioural issues. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Squared.Circle.Boxing edit warring/personal attacks[edit]

Edit warring on They keep reverting my edits where I state that conor benn was suspended from boxing for failing drug tests, he is currently unable to box in the UK (and the whole world until last saturday, for 525 days) and this was a massive story in boxing and in the UK due to the chris eubank fight being cancelled. They got angry and personally attacked me "YDKSAB" means "you don't know shit about boxing" ( They also told me "it really is not gonna happen, get over it" I believe they think they own the article, as they do a lot of editting of boxing articles. I pointed out to this user that professional athletes failing drug tests and being suspended is very important is shown in the lead of other articles such as Lance Armstrong, and Jarrel Miller (another boxer in the same situation)- Thanks, I would also like to point out going through his talk page history it seems he frequently gets into edit wars and has also told users to "jog the fuck on". (talk) 08:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can not help to notice that the talk page of that article is still empty. IMHO, there was little effort in discussing the matter. The Banner talk 09:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have protected Conor Benn for 24 hours. Sort out your differences on the talk page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Where the IP should have gone after the first editor reverted them. That'll be all, enjoy ze echo chamber. – 2.O.Boxing 09:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, IP, when you say "they got angry and personally attacked me", do you think accusing them of being on Conor Benn's payroll might have something to do with it? DeCausa (talk) 09:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I consider fault on both sides. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't think of any other reason why he's so desperately trying to protect a drug cheat's name ? (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I tried to resolve this on the users talk page. (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just tried respectfully to resolve this with squared circle on his talk page. I was told to "jog the fuck on" and that he guarantees it will be reverted. This is a bit more than asking him if he was on conor benns payroll ? (talk) 09:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suspect SCB removed it from the lead because he thought it gave the most appropriate balance to the article. Please assume good faith that other editors are trying to do the right thing. Accusing them of having a conflict of interest without evidence is not acceptable. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The IP has the excuse of being new. 2CB has been here about as long as I have. Dronebogus (talk) 22:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You protected the WP:WRONGVERSION. How dare you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'd just point out that the IP user went to the talk page as instructed and started a discussion. They posted on SCB's talk page ... and this was the reply they got (note the edit summary) [61]. Given that we're only a few weeks away from this, and SCB previously received two blocks in 2022 (for 1 and 2 weeks) for the same thing (indeed, the one week block was for personal attacks in edit-summaries), I wonder how long we're going to let this go for? Black Kite (talk) 13:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There was a fair bit of support for an outright site ban a few weeks ago, too. I admit that if I'd just received a broadly construed TBAN from a major area, and there was sentiment to CBAN me completely, and I already had six blocks for edit warring and incivility, I couldn't imagine having any motive for tossing "That'll do, pig, that'll do" into an edit summary less than three weeks later other than calling the community's bluff. To paraphrase from a famous sports incident, whether Squared.Circle.Boxing's antics are the result of temperamental instability or willful defiance of civility policies does not matter; the repeated conduct is unacceptable. It's time for a community ban on Squared.Circle.Boxing. Ravenswing 14:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As you say, Floquenbeam blocked SCB in April 2022 for personal attacks in the edit summaries of your edits, and commented that I am assuming that this will not recur upon the expiration of the block. This assumption may not, in fact, have been two-way. Jogging on seems a particular favourite: Dec 2022, May 2023, July 2023 and that's not counting the three examples already provided. Fuck off, and variants are liberally represented: Aug 2023, May 2022 and December 2021, etc. Advising others they DKSA things: August 2023, July 2023 and March 2022 is also not uncommon. HTH. SN54129 14:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have told SCB in no uncertain terms that if I see any other intemperate language like that today, there will be a block. As for wider sanctions - discuss away. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Today — lol. El_C 14:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Although it's a quote from Babe, it's easily open to misinterpretation and probably not the best reply to use when you're the subject of a ANI discussion Nthep (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given their long history of doing so, it's a safe to interpret that when Squared.Circle says something insulting, they're doing so with the intent to insult. Trying to pass it off as a random movie quote is in the same camp as "Canchu take a joke?" Ravenswing 16:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tomorrow's fine. Next week too. But no more "fuck offs" today, you've hit your daily community-mandated "fuck off" quota. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 15:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support community ban per Ravenswing. It looks like there's a pattern of personal attacks here and belittling other editors that doesn't seem to be going away despite several prior blocks for the same. I don't think this is just a bit of intemperate language which they should not repeat today, it's more long term than that. Even their user talk page has a banner at the top informing those who might find issue with anything that they're already wrong. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Despite Ritchie's desire for compromise, I align with Amakuru; I support community ban, or an indef block for incivility at minimum. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 15:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As SCB isn't interested in discussing how to improve their behaviour, I have blocked them for 48 hours. This doesn't preclude any further community ban being discussed here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I like how his response to your warning was "It's a very well-known quote from a film, but sure." As if there aren't thousands of well-known film quotes that are offensive to use towards other editors, all the same. Ravenswing 16:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm not sure if a community ban is necessary. Per Serial# this is an editor who has been blocked, sanctioned, and warned on and off for a while. I think a simple disruptive editing/no personal attacks indef block under recidivisim might be for the best. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 16:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support C-ban per my links above and the sheer number before that that previous blocks were intended to address but did not. Also per SCB's own WP:IDHT as shown in his smirking, bird-flipping edit summaries. But also not averse to Money's suggestion re the plain old indef. Would that be appealable only to the community though? SN54129 18:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Minor distraction, apologies
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I'd also support Ritchie333, taking this and SCB's page off their watchlist, as so far everything you've done here has gone Bristols up. First, you blame an IP for their being sworn at. Then you warn a user who has previously been warned before. (Which you call 'advice'!) Then you block that user for the same behaviour that you just warned them for without them having even edited in the meantime! Stone me. SN54129 16:18, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To be fair, they did edit in the meantime, giving a flippant reply to R333's warning as they removed it. No sign of anything even remotely like "OK yeah, I'll tone it down a bit"... Black Kite (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
True, but they hadn't continued the behaviour for which they had been warned. And if flippant edit summaries were blockable, I'd be c-banned too by now... I've just realised I'm defending SCB *facepalm* SN54129 16:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Kinda agree with SN54129 on this one, I'm afraid. The block made no sense in context and just gives him more ammunition to be outraged, as he has indeed done by lashing out on his Talk Page. Questionable judgment. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 17:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be honest, if I hadn't had previous history with SCB - I have final-warned them before for something they are now topic-banned from - I would have probably indeffed them given their long history of merrily insulting all and sundry. Black Kite (talk) 17:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Apologies @Black Kite and WaltCip:, I've kinda derailed this a bit; mind if I hat it? And I'm regretting the size of font now; my eyes have gone funny. SN54129 18:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep, no worries. Black Kite (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I suppose I could have followed the advice of the Wise Woman who said "block everyone in the whole woooorld", but an admin shouldn't trust anyone who gives their professional address at 53 Dunghill Mansions, Putney..... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:07, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ritchie: Here is a purse of monies. SN54129 18:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN. Reasons [62], SN54129 diffs, and Ravenswing's reasoning. I can understand a momentary lapse of self control, (I've personally come one publish click from a fast CBAN on numerous threads, so I know its difficult), but this is a pattern that has to stop. Don't have a quote from Babe, maybe a sad quote from Old Yeller because SCB has a lot of add, I hope someone finds a way out of this remedy. 19:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBlue (talkcontribs)
  • Support community ban Unless SCB can commit to knocking it off with the petty personal remarks, they're a timesink and we've c-banned for much less, and the other issues are well beyond the pale. Some time off, an attitude adjustment and a WP:SO are the bare minimum here, and I do feel the block was appropriate (if you can't stop snarking once the feet are on the fire, that does not seem like an issue with the block issuer). Nate (chatter) 21:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN. It's a shame, but this editor has a long history of personal attacks. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 21:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN we were literally just here earlier this month for very similar reasons i.e. this user being obnoxious for the sake of it. That isn’t even pretending to care about coming within inches of a CBAN, so the only way they’re going to get the message is to just do it. Dronebogus (talk) 22:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN. haven't been involved in any of this discussion or the 1 month prior one, but looking through the things, it's starting to seem like SCB needs a lot of time to think about their actions. DrowssapSMM (say hello) 23:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN the user has made it perfectly clear they don't care about collaboration; I don't see why any should care about not collaborating with them. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN They do not have the temperament to be able to edit here. Scorpions1325 (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN Enough is enough. Sometimes people can lose their temper but when it happens again and again it becomes our fault for allowing it. Time to fix that problem. - Who is John Galt? 02:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CBAN or an indef block, whatever will let people move on from this time sink. WindTempos (talkcontribs) 10:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IPs creating hoax drafts[edit]

There may be more IPs I currently cannot find, but these two seem to be the primary culprits. Essentially, the main problem here, is that these IPs (one of them still actively doing so) are creating many hoax drafts. While there are some that actually exist, a majority of them appear to be hoaxes. I had come across these IPs while tagging the drafts for seasons 12, 13, and 14 of The Masked Singer for CSD, as the show has currently only been renewed upto season 11. Similarly, I don't believe anything has been announced for any new season of American Idol to air in 2025.

A majority of the hoax drafts appear to be coming from the IP- I'm highly inclined to believe that all the drafts regarding 'Untitled Scooby-Doo! and _________ film' and 'Untitled Jetsons/Flintstones and Bill Nye the Science Guy/Neil deGrasse Tyson film' are completely made up.

I would personally suggest a block on the IP (as they are the one currently still actively contributing to this issue) and doing a purge of hoax drafts create by both IPs. Magitroopa (talk) 10:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also worth noting... just seeing now that both IPs have previously been blocked once for this same disruptive behavior. Obviously nothing has changed. Magitroopa (talk) 10:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Blocked User: three months for creating hoaxes. See also their talk page for prior warnings. The two IPs listed above are both from Newfoundland. Let me know if you notice other IPs continuing this activity. EdJohnston (talk) 23:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User "AviationFreak" is acting inappropriately in the Talk section[edit]

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Please take a look at their history of participation and draw your own conclusions in regards to their behavior. I have reported their indecent actions to make sure they don't vandalize anything again. Thank you for making Wikipedia great, guys! IntelligentParticipator (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@IntelligentParticipator I am unclear what you find indecent about AviationFreak's activities. You have not provided diffs of the inappropriate behavior. At this point, given your own behavior, you are in danger of being hit by a boomarang. Please provide diffs of the alleged inappropriate behavior. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, you have not notified AviationFreak of this discussion, as is required. I will do that for you. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@IntelligentParticipator: in this edit you say that I've reported your activity from both my main and this accounts, what main account would that be? - Aoidh (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@IntelligentParticipator: Apologies if you aren't a fan of the -ussy article. Unfortunately, I don't think ANI is the best place to express that. AviationFreak💬 15:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please take a look at their history of participation and draw your own conclusions
That's not how this works. You need to provideWP:DIFFs to specific rule-breaking edits if you want action to be taken. We aren't going to go digging to figure out what you're referring to. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also would like to draw attention to this quote of yours: I've reported your activity from both my main and this accounts. You're admitting to this being a sock account. If that account of yours is blocked, then this is block evasion. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've gone ahead and indeffed as NOTHERE. If it's socking, block evasion, or something else, it's clear they're not constructively contributing to an encyclopedia. Let's not waste any more editor time and compound the disruption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Selective blocking of Pakistani users[edit]

@Barkeep49, Beeblebrox, Cabayi, CaptainEek, Enterprisey, GeneralNotability, Izno, L235, Primefac, SilkTork, Wugapodes, Guerillero, Moneytrees, and Opabinia regalis: @Girth Summit:'s "they're in the same country" with a population of 240 million people with 21% of the population or 50.4 million people using internet "so I guess it's possible that it's the same person" just doesn't cut it. The Fixed Local Line subscribers of PTCL is reported at 2.4 million. So blocking someone merely because they live in Pakistan and use PTCL has now become a common occurrence at SPI. Please know that PTCL users don't have a static IP but a dynamic IP. There has been too many collateral in these false positive cases. This needs to stop.

Also ask Aman.kumar.goel why it is hell bent on removing someone else's comment and remind them that IP editors are WP:HUMAN too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because you're repeatedly making baseless accusations that don't actually contribute to the SPA in question, and now you've copy/pasted the same complaint here. IP needs blocked just for spamming pings, if nothing else. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Baseless accusation at whom exactly? I can mention at least half a dozen SPI cases where each new Pakistani editor is reported by a gang of next door neighbors and these users eventually end up getting blocked. ArbCom needs to review these SPI cases where circumstantial evidence is used for placing one-sided blocks. (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Another gem by Girth, "Comparing against what I can see in the CU logs indicates that the user is in roughly the same part of the same country." So living in Pakistan is now a crime. (talk) 19:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since that wasn't the basis of the block, it's hard to see what you're whining about. --JBL (talk) 23:13, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So you are saying it's a usual practice for admins to block someone after a CU when they happen to be "in the same country" or "same part of the same country" even in cases when that country is say for example USA, China or India? Maybe, in reality this heavy handedness is reserved for users from Pakistan. Instead of blocking someone over abuse of multiple accounts when happen to be in the same city, a wider geographical link is enough to place a block for Pakistani users specifically.
This gang of Indian users reports any new Pakistani editor on multiple SPI threads to see what sticks and one eventually does simply because they happen to live in the same part of the same country. What happened to matching any two users to see if they are using the same internet connection, device and browser etc.?
Mark my words, you continue on this path and the Indian nationalists will continue to run riot and WP would lose any popularity left in Pakistan. (talk) 02:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know if *any* of those users are Indian. let alone *all* of them; in fact, I know for a fact that several of them are *not* Indian.
Spouting out conspiracy theories about "Indians repressing Pakistanis on Wikipedia" isn't going to end how you want it to though.
2603:7000:CF0:7CB0:686C:F13:CD5C:205F (talk) 02:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Who exactly are you talking about? (talk) 17:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm saying it is usual practice when investigating sock-puppets to take geography into account, that this is obviously a good and correct practice, and that your reaction to a routine example of it is absurd -- either an incompetent or malicious misrepresentation of what took place. There are good reasons to be concerned about Hindutva / Indian nationalist editing on Wikipedia, but they have literally nothing to do with a British checkuser making a routine comment on geolocation as part of a sockpuppet investigation. --JBL (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just gonna mention here, that the user socking in question, has posted a complaint about the SPI offwiki on a Reddit post, seen here: , so I think some canvassing is suspected here. Yoshi24517 (Chat) (Online) 18:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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I've already pinged @Materialscientist: on the users talk page, this non-ec user is continuing to edit political topics on Armenia/Azerbaijan-related articles despite me letting the user know of WP:GS/AA and it's restrictions. The user is now edit warring, I've reverted his edits, since I understand from WP:GS/AA that reverts made solely to enforce the restriction are not to be considered edit warring. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The user @AntonSamuel is trying to push his etno-natioanlist agenda in every single Wiki article about Azerbaijani region of Karabakh. Which is in itself is posing questionwhy a person that has interest in Armenia is involved so much in articles about Azerbaijani cities. They blatantly remove facts, and change narrative so Armenian side can look better even though they were forced Azerbaijani people from Kalbajar in the winter and harassed them non stop. Yet have audacity to think he is right. This person is full of hatred towards Azerbaijan and it's people yet he edits Azeri wiki pages to suit it's narrative. Easing3220 (talk) 15:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Easing3220: Focus on the edits, not the editor - the restriction is quite clear and you need to respect it. Editors from all backgrounds and with all sorts of opinions need to stay civil and professional when editing Wikipedia. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC) AntonSamuel (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AntonSamuel Yeah talk about being a civil person that tries to hide ethnic cleansing. You need psychological help. Easing3220 (talk) 16:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course I disagree with that statement, but it's not the point – you are editing in a restricted topic area and you refuse to listen to explanations and warnings, and instead go for personal attacks. AntonSamuel (talk) 16:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now you are the victim nice gaslighting bro. Don't pretend that you are neutral. I can't currently undo your changes due to captcha error but as soon as I fix the issue I will revert your changes. You can't undo it as much as you want. Easing3220 (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you have a genuine complaint about AntonSamuel you will need to start another thread about it. In the meantime you need to obey the rule that only editors with 500+ edits over at least 30 days are allowed to edit in this topic area, which has nothing to do with AS' conduct. (t · c) buidhe 16:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok clear enough. Following rules is more important than being morally right thanks for letting me know. Easing3220 (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Buidhe: The user's edit warring is continuing on Kalbajar AntonSamuel (talk) 16:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yes it is due to systematic attempt of removing parts about ethnic cleansing. Easing3220 (talk) 16:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Easing3220 blocked 48 hours edit warring and personal attacks. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't think they'll stop until they're indeffed. DeCausa (talk) 17:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed- take a look at the user's talk page. They are already planning their edits in the coming days. Not to mention the racial/discriminatory language being used is shocking. More is needed than just a 48hr block. Archives908 (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If this is not a sock I will eat my hat. Black Kite (talk) 18:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Take a look here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/ClassicYoghurt. Deauthorized. (talk) 19:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah. Not even going to bother SPI with that. Indeffed. Black Kite (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Msheehan1974 (talk · contribs): incivility and threat [63]: You think you’re funny. Well I have your IP address so it won’t take me long for us to meet up and you can say it to my face. Mincer! and Big man eh! Well I’ll let you know when I’m in Mississauga.

2607:FEA8:4ADC:100:E445:FD03:10B:4917 (talk · contribs · WHOIS): incivility [64]: calling the other editor numale. NM 18:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

these both appear to be single purpose editors. they sniped at each other and have probably moved on, so it is unlikely that this incident requires administrator intervention unless they go at it again. .usarnamechoice (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Potential Wikipedia:No Nazis case. Used to identify as a fascist on their userpage before changing it to third positionist.

Most of their edits have been religion-oriented and not endorsing of far-right beliefs but they have attempted to mass-change fascist parties from "far-right" to "third position."

Relevant examples:


HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Identifying with third positionism on their userpage should be grounds for a WP:NAZI block. CJ-Moki (talk) 01:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I understand that what I had done with regard to attempting to change the political positions of certain articles was erroneous and I accept that they were wrong of me. However those edits were made 2 years ago and after being reprimanded I never attempted to change anything again. TheFriendlyFas2 (talk) 02:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Yet again, this user has shown disregard for behaviour "branding" edits idiotic here [68]. User:Bgsu98 has been reported to this noticeboard on numerous occasions but nothing is ever done, no warnings are ever given. The way this account continues to get away with ransacking articles and edit summaries that border on harassment.2A00:23EE:19E0:8088:F103:6825:D453:5EC9 (talk) 02:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please note that you're supposed to notify users in their talk page whenever you start a discussion about them here. I've already gone ahead done so. - HotMAN0199 (talk) 02:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
More harassment from my stalker in the U.K. @Ponyo, this is the same sockpuppet whose edits you reverted earlier today. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OP Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks (/64): clearly bad faith report. El_C 05:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That’s an understatement. This IP has a long history of disruptive editing, edit-warring, sockpuppetry, and harassment. They have a set of brass ones to label anything I’ve done as “harassment” considering the heinous death threat they left on my talk page, which Wikipedia’s trust and safety office felt was severe enough to contact my local police department in order to verify my safety, and their attempts to call me on the phone. Like I’m about to answer a call from an unknown U.K. phone number in the middle of the workday. And the kicker? It’s over a flipping TV dance program. Seriously, I kid you not. Recommend casting a wider net as they have continued editing this morning on Dancing on Ice (series 16). Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, this is an LTA. Just block the newest range when they pop up and semi-protect anything they touch.-- Ponyobons mots 15:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ponyo, please add protection to Dancing on Ice (series 16) and Dancing with the Stars (American season 32) when you have a chance. Thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've protected Dancing on Ice (series 16), but why Dancing with the Stars (American season 32)? It seems to be mostly US IPs editing.-- Ponyobons mots 15:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it’s not the same IP, then I apologize for the confusion. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disruption and POV pushing by Procastinater[edit]

His revisions are a blatant violation of WP:NPOV-[69]. It goes against the consensus that was achieved on how to best characterize the subject in the lede [70]. His first edit also used a false edit summary of removed disambiguation and he refuses to discuss his edits on the talk page even when pinged [71]. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User @Suthasianhistorian8 is engaged in an edit war with me, although he is unable to provide adequate reasoning for his constant reverting, he provides me with a consensus article on the subject, in which there is absolutely no agreement among users. He is engaged in enforcing a biased and hateful, view on an individual who is highly respected and held in high regards by all followers of Sikh religion, I have seen his other edits and warning by admins on disruptive behavior in adding dubious information on articles regarding Sikh history. Added all this, he is constantly spamming warnings on my talk page, without adequate reasoning, I am feeling harassed by this spamming. Kindly review my request, I have mentioned his behavior to a known administrator as well Regards, Procrastinater (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You do realize that on top of the RFC [72], it states and was closed with There is a consensus that proposal #1 is better.? I'm not the one who initally added that to the lede.
Can you provide evidence for all your other claims? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 04:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also even if someone was a "revered freedom fighter", Wikipedia would never allow such flowery language to be used on an article, no matter how commendable the subject was, especially not in the lede, that too in Wikivoice instead of attributed to someone. At best, they could be called a revolutionary. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 04:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for reaching out again. Although i have been nothing but respectful till this point, i feel you are bit agitated. I am more than happy to provide you with evidence for all of my claims. Aside from that, on the subject of flowery language, if you don't like the phrase "revered freedom fighter.", i am more than happy to change it to a revolutionary which be more appropriate than the word militant which is very disrespectful for a man of such caliber. Please ponder upon this without the element of hate and bias. Regards Procrastinater (talk) 04:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that wouldn't work. It needs to be reverted to "militant". Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 04:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Southasianhistorian8 This is Wikipedia. This is not your little kingdom where you can spread your propagated information. Procrastinater (talk) 04:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As far as I can tell, you have failed to keep a neutral point of view, as there's not one, but five, sources all describing Jarnail as a militant in the opening paragraph. Instead, you're pushing your own POV, as you have failed to cite a source that backs your argument of Jarnail being a freedom fighter or revolutionary. You are casting aspersions, and have failed to communicate, instead choosing to now be in violation of WP:3RR. - HotMAN0199 (talk) 04:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please Review these sources Aswell, all news present on the web is not absolutely authentic. This topic is very controversial, as I promised I will provide authentic sources here are the links, one of them is from Reuters the best news agency.
What is the Khalistan movement and why is it fuelling India-Canada rift? | Reuters
Jarnail Bhindranwale: Slain Khalistani separatist leaders seen in Pakistan’s Kartarpur video: Who were they? | India News ( Procrastinater (talk) 05:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Furthermore you have reverted the article a further two times with this discussion in progress. - HotMAN0199 (talk) 04:50, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Furthermore, I agree I was wrong here, because i reverted it by accident. It was not intentional. Procrastinater (talk) 05:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Im sure im diving in deep and this is going to get me some pushback, but wouldnt a term like "controversial revolutionary figure" work pretty well here? Googleguy007 (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The description as "militant" is more than generous. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Procrastinater, the reality is that Wikipedia has a steep learning curve, so learning the basic in contentious areas rarely works out. Are you even aware that Wikipedia works by WP:CONSENSUS? Because when Southasianhistorian8 linked that specific consensus discussion for you in their edit summary (diff), but you reverted with un untrue edit summary that read: User:- Southasianhistorian8 engaged in spreading disinformation on this topic, well, that looks bad. And because you're learning the basics in a contentious area, you don't even realize that it looks bad. But it does. It is sanctionable misconduct, in fact. El_C 06:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks to be quite obvious POV pushing, followed by backtracking when they got into trouble. Claiming their edit war to be an "accident" is laughable, especially in light of this comment

Southasianhistorian8, Thank you for getting back to me, firstly you got my name wrong on your topic its Procrastinater not *Procastineater*, secondly, you mentioned that community has decided, this is not a political forum that something is decided upon , it is an information platform where things are agreed upon, which is definitely not the case here just check the last 3 headings in the article. Lastly, you mentioned that my edits are reflected upon in the paragraph, which means even you are in agreement with the majority consensus on Baba Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. You are in a constant struggle to garb the truth with hate, in this case it is clear voilation of Wikipedia guideline of conduct policy. Regards,

The mental gymnastics used to justify the POV is astounding.
I think a block might be too severe given that the account is fairly new, and a TBAN from Indian subcontinent might solve the issues. This will also allow them to edit in less controversial areas and possible come back to editing more constructively. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will You be kind enough to explain how was it mental gymnastics, when i already admitted that it was by mistake Procrastinater (talk) 07:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It has already been explained to you above what is wrong with your editing. I agree that it would be better for you to focus on other areas of Wikipedia that are not as political or controversial. Duly signed, WaltClipper -(talk) 18:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dilku911 keeps changing numbers in articles[edit]

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Dilku911 (contribution history) (talk) is an account created yesterday morning who spent yesterday changing numbers in about 36 articles, and he/she is at it again today. He/she just changes or adds numbers[73][74][75] - he/she never provides sources. He/she even changed the number in a URL in an edit to List of active Bangladesh military aircraft. He/she has been warned. But I do not think he/she understands the messages about the need for sources on his talk page,[76][77] and says that he/she is adding real data.[78] Please can admins stop him/her.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:53, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I blocked the user indefinitely. There is no need to consult me if any admin responds to a plausible unblock request and determines that there is reason to believe problems will not persist. Johnuniq (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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User: as sock[edit]

After a sock of "维基中二群体代表" was locked again by Sotiale and one article got speedy deleted by G5, User: then appeared and re-created the previously deleted entry, as well as editing {{Chinese New Left}} and a few other wikis' related entries (idwiki, kowiki and ruwiki). ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 10:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User IP[edit]

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This user was very rude to me. I gave him a good faith warning that he should not be adding any disruptive edits to the Trojan Horse page, and he told me "F**k you." Please give this IP a temporary block or warn them more. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Disruptive edits by[edit] (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

This IP editor is adding close templates to AfDs, using other user's signatures, adding protection templates to pages and removing AfD templates. Looks like a sock?

Diffs, although the contribs are fairly self explanatory: [79] [80] WindTempos (talkcontribs) 13:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Similar thing at User_talk:Blablubbs#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Market_America_(3rd_nomination). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Block evasion by Kingshowman. Blocked for a week. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 15:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ingenuity: (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has just popped up to continue the disruption. What a nightmare. WindTempos (talkcontribs) 15:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Baseball Bugs[edit]

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And now this: Wikipedia talk:Editing restrictions#AldezD

One-way interaction ban imposed on 9 May 2022. @User:Cullen328: @User:Newyorkbrad: @User:Masem: @User:Guettarda: @User:EvergreenFir: Baseball Bugs has been blocked SEVERAL times for harassment and is now stalking me, even after I retired. This is not competent behavior. He has several topic bans as well as interaction bans. His post to Wikipedia talk:Editing restrictions violates the Wikipedia:Editing restrictions placed 2022-05-06 "Baseball Bugs is subject to a 1-way interaction ban with AldezD indefinitely". Please do something to stop this editor from bothering me. AldezD (talk) 14:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per Archive 323:

"Interaction ban - Baseball Bugs, I am imposing a 1-way interaction ban on you with AldezD. You may not interact with AldezD. Copying from WP:IBAN, this includes, but is not limited to, Editors subject to an interaction ban are not permitted to:

  • edit each other's user and user talk pages;
  • reply to each other in discussions;
  • make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly;
  • undo each other's edits to any page, whether by use of the revert function or by other means;
  • use the thanks extension to respond to each other's edits."

AldezD (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks to me that he was trying to appeal the restriction. I'm not sure how he could possibly do that without making reference to you, but his main goal was rather obviously trying to get his 1-way IBAN lifted. Apart from the venue problem, which someone else pointed out, how else should he appeal? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict)Very plainly exempt, as noted in the very next section after WP:IBAN.
Since you've gone out of your way to draw our attention to it, what in the living fuck is this about? —Cryptic 14:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yikes. How is that reaction not infinitely worse than an innocuous request about getting rid of an interaction ban? Sergecross73 msg me 14:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@User:Cryptic The user was told almost 1.5 years ago to stop bothering me. He is clearly stalking me and still has some beef after being told to leave me alone. I logged in yesterday to see what has gone on since I retired, and I get an alert I was directly tagged in a message at Wikipedia talk:Editing restrictions. After all the action from this editor bothering me, why is he tagging me in ANOTHER edit after an indefinite ban? After I retired, why would he need a ban lifted if I'm not active? AldezD (talk) 14:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You literally called them a "goblin". In no way was that appropriate. Sergecross73 msg me 14:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're right. It wasn't. I apologize. But that does not negate stalking behavior. AldezD (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Let BaseballBugs appeal in the usual way. Boomerang for AldezD, though, not just for the downright incivility of their comment (Goblin?!) but that they literally posted a 'Retired' template back in February... and have now literally come out of retirement purely in order to 'gotcha' BaseballBugs at the highest profile noticeboard we've got? Noway should you get away with that. Absolutely outrageous incivility and bad faith all in one edit. Absolutely disgraceful. SN54129 14:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I've dealt with this individual stalking me repeatedly. I have multiple times asked to have this user stop bothering me. I happened to log in just to see what's up, only to have a notice show up that I was tagged again by this user after a year and a half later appealing an indefinite ban. If I'm retired, there's no reason to even bring me up in a request. Why would this user have any need to interact with me? Move on, do whatever you want, and don't reference me. Just stop bothering me. It's a long term evidenced pattern of stalking. That's hardly a "gotcha" when someone is explicitly told not to "make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly" and then appeals an indefinite ban. Move on with your life, stop tagging me and just do whatever you want. AldezD (talk) 14:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Squeakachu removing well referenced text on unsubstantiated claims of poor referencing[edit]

A very short paragraph was added to the article on Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints leader Harold Hillam discussing public controversy about that figure. The paragraph was supported by multiple references from respected sources (including other sources already used in the exact same Wikipedia entry) and references to United States Government documents. Despite this appropriate referencing, Squeakachu removed the paragraph in question on the claim that it was not well referenced. 2A0D:6FC0:2A16:1A00:EB52:911E:E524:2DB1 (talk) 18:09, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]