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Bridled white-eye[edit]

There appears to be a conundrum here. The nominate Guam population of the Bridled white-eye (Zosterops conspicillatus) is extinct, however, the subspecies , Z. c. saypani native to the nothern Mariana Islands, which is sometimes treated as a distinct species, is extant. The IUCN considers saypani a distinct species [1], and therefore considers the species Zosterops conspicillatus to be totally extinct [2]. However, recent research papers consider Z. c. saypani to be a subspecies, and therefore the species to be extant. [3] [4] [5]. I am not sure what the IOC's position is here. Should the article be split? Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We follow the IOC who treat Z. c. saypani as a subspecies. We do now follow the BirdLife/IUCN. Our article states "The remaining subspecies, Z. (c.) saypani, is separated as a full species by some authorities" - which is correct. We do not need to split the article. - Aa77zz (talk) 19:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project-independent quality assessments[edit]

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to handle this? Israel/Palestine edits on feral chicken[edit]

See here. I already reverted it once, but the IP changed it back again. Then I realized that I don't really want to be involved in an edit war over this kind of political thing, especially over chicken. Should this just be left alone anyway? Iloveparrots (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Generally, I'd say follow what the source says. I've edited the page to link the places and removed the Israel/Palestine reference. Not ideal but perhaps it keeps the politic away. —  Jts1882 | talk  19:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think a (mostly) unsourced list of "Locations famous for feral chickens" is something that really needs to be included anyway (although it does form the bulk of the article). If the list is kept, it should be rephrased. If you asked people about things for which Los Angeles is famous I don't think anybody would come up with "feral chickens" (perhaps if you asked Los Angelenos about particular parks or neighborhoods, there might be some smaller places where feral chicken populations are well known). Plantdrew (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree, the list is rather pointless, and perhaps the article itself too? FunkMonk (talk) 19:53, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's probably a lot more that could be said about feral chickens. Someone on the talk page a few years ago mentioned this article here, which seems quite informative and in-depth, but that they were unable to edit. The WP article needs a lot of work, for sure - but I don't think it's unsalvageable. Iloveparrots (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think just removing all non-sourced entries on the list, and then converting into a non-list article about the actual specifics of feral chickens, would be the best outcome. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 21:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]