Template:Did you know nominations/Omar Derdour
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The result was: promoted by Rcsprinter (speak) @ 10:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC).
Omar Derdour[edit]
... that Omar Derdour (pictured) was given the task of travelling to the Arab countries to raise support for the Algerian revolution?
Created by Aymatth2 (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 18:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Can't see-and-understand any of the sources, but they all look sufficiently reliable. Date, length, and hook are all good. I'm mildly concerned about the image, however — how do we know that it was published before 1987? It comes from a source published in 2011, so that isn't by itself proof of its PD status. Does the book say that the image was published pre-1987, perhaps? With this resolved, the nomination will be ready to go. Nyttend (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Gleichwie der Regen und Schnee vom Himmel fällt, BWV 18.
"How do we know that it was published before 1987? " Pure common sense my dear Watson, does it looks like a man over 70 to you or a young man in his late 20s? The image says 1936, and that looks accurate to me, no reason to question it.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, I'm questioning the publication date, not the date of the photo. Would we be able to say specifically 1936 if the book didn't? I'm just looking for an equally solid reason to assume pre-1987 publication. Nyttend (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I find it highly unlikely that the photo would not have been published before 1987. Old photographs like this were published when taken and probably found in library archives in Algeria, otherwise they'd not have taken the photograph. Obviously it was published as a photograph first, that's all that matters. Surely you don't think that the photo was left on a camera and put in the book straight from the film?. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Nyttend is right. The picture is public domain in Algeria and "tolerated" on Commons, but unless it was published before 1987 it is not public domain in the USA, oddly. I see no way to find when it was first published since the book it comes from is offline. The picture cannot appear on the front page, but can remain in the article - it is fair use as a historical picture.
- ALT1 ... that Omar Derdour was given the task of travelling to the Arab countries to raise support for the Algerian revolution?
- Aymatth2 (talk) 03:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Review needed of ALT1 hook. Removing image from nomination, since it has been determined to be fair use but without adequate evidence to be PD in the US. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
