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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
June 8 1
June 26 1
June 30 1
July 5 1
July 10 1
July 11 1
July 19 2
July 30 2 1
July 31 1 1
August 1 1
August 5 1
August 6 1
August 7 1 1
August 8 2 1
August 9 2
August 10 1
August 11 4 3
August 12 1
August 13 2 1
August 15 3 2
August 18 4 1
August 19 3 2
August 20 1
August 21 1
August 22 2 2
August 23 5 1
August 24 2
August 25 2 1
August 26 2
August 27 4
August 28 3 1
August 29 4
August 30 1
August 31 3 1
September 1 6 3
September 2 4 2
September 3 5
September 4 1 1
September 5 3 2
September 6 3 1
September 7 5 3
September 8 2 1
September 9 4 1
September 10 2
September 11 1 1
September 13 5 3
September 14 7 1
September 15 5
September 16 3 2
September 17 7 3
September 18 7 2
September 20 1 1
September 21 4 2
September 22 6 1
September 23 6 1
September 24 9 3
September 25 5 4
September 26 6 2
September 27 11 6
September 28 4
September 29 5 1
September 30 2
October 1 5 1
October 2
Total 201 67
Last updated 00:17, 2 October 2023 UTC
Current time is 02:31, 2 October 2023 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the supplementary guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions[edit]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

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Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers[edit]

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Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]

Words (Piri & Tommy song)

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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Words (Piri & Tommy song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - I have a question for others -- is it OR if though true, it is not commented on by an RS (though individually the facts synthesized are each supported by an RS) .. I would hope this is not a problem.
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Question?
Overall: a) Perhaps someone else can opine - since as indicated in the first sentence of the article the song title is "stylised in lowercase," should WP not be doing the same in the title of the article and the references to the song within? b) I agree that Alt 1 is best, if it is not (see above) a synth problem.

Wikipedia uses WP:SENTENCECASE, although I'm with you, I think this should be at words (piri & tommy song). It's downright hypocritical that we entertain other stylisations such as spellings (Beachin rather than Beaching) but ignore capitalisation. See also User talk:Launchballer#Piri and Piri & Tommy stylisations. That lyric is actually commented on in the critical reception section, so can be used - although see also Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Piri & Tommy Villiers song hooks.--Launchballer 08:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure that's right, or at least without exceptions. See k.d. lang. But as I said -- perhaps someone else can opine. Best. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:7468:9C4F:BECE:5B21 (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Striking ALT1 per the now-archived Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 193#Piri & Tommy Villiers song hooks discussion on using song lyrics as hooks for these Piri & Tommy hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Looking for a second opinion on the review issue (synth?), since this has been sitting for over two months since the reviewer requested one, and also a general check of the nomination. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Launchballer: the lead says the song received "universal critical reception". What does that mean? Viriditas (talk) 10:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I intended 'universally positive' reception, but having had the word 'universal' taken out of another Piri & Tommy lede, I've just replaced the word with positive.--Launchballer 10:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Launchballer: thanks. Can you check ref 1 (Spotify)? It is used ten times, but I can’t access it or the archived version. Let me know if you can, or if the link needs to be fixed. Viriditas (talk) 11:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Works fine for me. You'll need to scroll down quite far though (it's a discography, and she's released loads since).--Launchballer 11:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’m on mobile at the moment. It says "Spotify can’t open this type of link on this device." I’m curious if that’s because it’s a regional-specific link (UK only?) or a desktop-only link, and if there’s a way to change that to a general link instead, or use a different source. Not a big deal, just something to consider. Viriditas (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suspect Spotify forces mobile users to use its app.--Launchballer 11:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am using the app. That’s the error message I get inside the app. Viriditas (talk) 12:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very weird. It's working for me.--Launchballer 13:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s not that weird. Apps like Amazon and Spotify use regional restrictions. I was able to get into the Spotify discography another way, but I think there’s probably a better way to link to the discography in a way that doesn’t trigger the lock. I’m looking into it. Also continuing the process of verifying the rest of the article. Viriditas (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Following up with spot checks for OR and synthesis brought up by the original reviewer:

  • "The latter went viral on TikTok and Spotify, prompting EMI to sign the pair". I realize this must seem blue sky, but I don’t find EMI mentioned anywhere. Yes, it appears on the Spotify page, but the assertion that the label signed them after the viral hit doesn’t seem directly supported (I might have missed it, so excuse me if I did). I suspect that there are other sources that support this, and if so, please make this clear, paying attention to text-source integrity.
  • "the same day as Alesso and Zara Larsson's song of the same name". Needs a secondary source linking the two different songs, as we can’t make that observation. Shouldn’t be difficult to find.
  • "Higgo and Hamdi would later provide remixes of the Piri & Tommy song". Personally, I’m okay with this, as it links to the Spotify discography. But I think some editors are more conservative in their approach, and would ask that you use secondary sources to show the importance of the remix. Again, I don’t think this would be difficult to do.
  • "The song was intended by Villiers as a ‘Disclosure meets old school speed garage’ song. This is probably fine, but the source says that Tommy was talking about the beat specifically ("with the beat I was going for disclosure meets old school speed garage") not the song in general. Not a big deal, but I think it helps to keep it close to the meaning of the source.
    • Added sourcing for EMI; the source said 'major-label re-release', so I've added another source to say 'said label was EMI'. I've had to take out the Alesso line because there is no secondary source to say that; I literally found out about it by going through piri's Twitter (which I stand by, she regularly shares sources that have since fallen off Google) and finding this comment. I haven't been able to find a secondary source for either of the remixes, but I have reworded the Villiers bit to "Villiers' intended the song's beat as".--Launchballer 05:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Thanks. Is there any way you can use another source besides Spotify to support the same information? I'm not convinced we can use it. Viriditas (talk) 22:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's usable per WP:VENDOR: "inline citations may be allowed to e-commerce pages such as that of a book on a bookseller's page or an album on its streaming-music page, in order to verify such things as titles and running times". Possibly undue for prose though, and I have at least replaced that.--Launchballer 19:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The label re-released "Soft Spot" under the name "Piri & Tommy Villiers". Please use this source to support this statement instead of the one you have now.
  • and "Beachin" as Piri & Tommy. Please add this source to support this statement.
Added both.--Launchballer 21:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Looks like you just need an ALT3 and we are good to go. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not seeing what was wrong with ALT0 (although possibly it should say "during and about", like so: ALT3: ... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during and about a rough patch in their relationship?), but let's go quirky. ALT4: ... that "Words" is "a condemning narrative"?--Launchballer 08:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nothing was wrong with ALT0, I just wanted to give you the last word and the option to expand the hook choices. Everything looks good, article checks out, refs check out, length is good, QPQ is good, neutrality and copyright look good. Nice work. Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Rough patch" was in there unattributed, so I've reworded it. ALT5: ... that "Words" by Piri & Tommy was written during a challenging period in their relationship? Source: https://readdork.com/features/piri-and-tommy-july-2022/--Launchballer 10:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
. Ok, good to go. Viriditas (talk) 11:02, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

pulled per discussion at WT:DYK. Discussion should consider here. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How about:

Just doesn't feel great to be citing Promonews.tv as a source...but cited it is, many times across Wikipedia. After all, where else would we get detailed information about music videos? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:38, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Moved comment above from WP:DYKT, striking ALT5 as too similar to two recent hooks that already ran on DYK. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I honestly refuse to believe that promonews.tv gives due weight for anything – if it's in any way a reliable source, i'm gonna eat a nomination whole, wikitext and all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Launchballer, I'm considering taking this article to AfD because I don't feel that any of the current sourcing goes in-depth on the actual song in a way NSONGS accepts. Before I do that, could you point me to the article's three best, and let me know if you find any extra sources that provide notability? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've got to be honest and say I'm struggling; [3][4][5] are all either non-independent or not particularly in-depth. I mainly wrote this article because I thought that BBC Radio 1 making it its Hottest Record and Uproxx ranking it on its end of year list was an indicator of notability.--Launchballer 09:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 26[edit]

Grimace Shake

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Grimace Shake
Grimace Shake

Created by Endof (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Grimace Shake; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • per What DYK is not we should not be advertising for McDonalds on the main page. I'm not commenting on the editors who wrote the article or the nominator, but the effect of this being on the main page, is the same as if they were paid. It is an advert for McDonalds.
  • under "Content" on the same page is another rule "The hook should refer to established facts that are unlikely to change, and should be relevant for more than just novelty or newness." In this case the hook does not refer to "established facts" rather it refers to some fork of a commercial fantasy universe, i.e. nobody involved was murdered. The so called facts will not be relevant for more than novelty or newness after a few months when the ad campaign ends. It certainly will not be of any interest after a year, not after 10 years, not after 20 years. I will put a "recentism" tag on the article. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm with Smallbones. No free advertising; violates WP:NOT. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Just hopping in here to say that all of these proposed hooks are unacceptable by the mere fact that they are untrue. No one has died from drinking a grimace shake, striking Hook 1 and ALT1 and 2 out. ALT3 is just jargony nonsense that has no informational content for people who don't already know what these terms mean already. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Endof: Per the above discussion, all hooks have been struck. A new hook is needed if this nomination is to proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT4: ... that although McDonald's released the drink Grimace Shake and video game Grimace's Birthday to celebrate Grimace's birthday, the exact date of his birthday is uncertain? Source: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-07-12/what-is-going-on-with-the-grimace-shake-let-us-explain
  • ALT5: ... that McDonald's paid Fandom to replace its wiki page about Grimace with an advertisement promoting the Grimace Shake and Grimace's Birthday, upsetting fans who've contributed to the original article? Source: https://www.insider.com/grimace-superfan-upset-by-characters-mcdonalds-wiki-page-becoming-ad-2023-6 https://kotaku.com/mcdonalds-grimace-wiki-ad-happy-meal-fandom-history-1850552640
  • Comment: I prefer alt5 over alt4 since sources seem to conflict on Grimace's birthday (see the footnote at Grimace Shake) Endoftalk 01:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Nomination is on hold until the merge discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I also prefer ALT5 over ALT4. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • This is kind of an unusual nomination. Grimace's Birthday has been shoehorned into this nom, and does not meet the newness requirement (created July 15). I'm okay ignoring that and going with bundling the articles, but something to note for promoter.
      Review for both articles: Did some copyediting while reading and removed from Birthday one unimportant unparaphrased sentence and one questionably sourced (not clear whether YouTube channel GameXplain actually interviewed designer). Both articles long enough, no glaring neutrality issues, no other sourcing issues (current VG-specific sourcing seems ok, PR Newswire ok as primary source). Suggesting a revised hook like:
      • ALT5a ... that McDonald's paid Fandom to replace a user-written page about Grimace with advertising for the Grimace Shake menu item and Grimace's Birthday video game? Source (Kotaku): "McDonalds paid the site's owners to temporarily replace Grimace's biography with a paid advertisement ... Nathan's research wiped and replaced with reminders that people can go buy a Grimace meal at McDonalds and play a video game based on the character"
      Approve everything except the hook which I have just proposed and needs another set of eyes. If this runs, Vrxces should receive DYK credit for writing Grimace's Birthday, and Arconning for starting Grimace Shake. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Personally I think two separate hooks for the two articles have more potential. Some possible alternatives:
All citations are in the article. There is so much potential here for great quirky hooks...don't waste them! Cielquiparle (talk) 08:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Request review of new ALT hooks by Hameltion or another reviewer. Or maybe more workshopping of new ALT hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • With this stagnant for weeks I will take these on for review. It seems like everything is fine with both articles as the discussions have concluded and there's been no substantial changes since Hameltion approved them on August 27th. Frankly, I think the original concerns about advertising were extremely overblown - The existence of an article about a product is not inherently advertising and neither is mentioning a product on the front page. I am approving ALT7 and ALT8. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 12:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The advertising concerns have also abated with distance in time from the product and its campaign. If we go forward with this, ALT8 seems more grabby to me. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

reopening due to issues raised at WT:DYK#Grimace's Birthday (nom)  — Amakuru (talk) 20:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 30[edit]

Feel It (MJ Cole song)

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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Feel It (MJ Cole song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Needs some way of verifying the source, either by digging up the original radio broadcast or (preferably) finding a static, high-quality source. Unverifiable source accepted on good faith. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 19:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think usual DYK policy is to AGF such an offline source, though I have made it into a cite AV media instead. QPQ provided.--Launchballer 11:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I think you're right. Approved on that basis.
Slightly late now, but I notice that the word single is repeated: suggest deleting on second use for concision. Doesn't affect the overall picture, though. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a fair enough cop at any point in my opinion; a promoter could very well say the same thing. I propose ALT1: ... that although Piri & Tommy had been releasing music for two years, their collaborative single "Feel It" with MJ Cole was their first to be recorded in a studio?--Launchballer 12:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it me or is the hook also not that interesting unless you're a fan of the artist in question? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree about this not being interesting. I would imagine lots of musicians record outside a studio, so "although X had been releasing music for N years, their Y was their first to be recorded in a studio?" is true for many values of X, N, and Y. Assuming it could be verified, the bit about previously recording in their bedrooms would be hookier. RoySmith (talk) 12:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've been thinking about this a bit more. The AGF logic used above was flawed. We AGF when we know there's a legitimate and identifiable source which just happens not to be available on-line, but a complete enough citation that somebody could reasonably find it. Books, periodicals, etc, have titles, publishers, publication dates, page numbers, catalog numbers, etc. Somebody could go to an appropriate library or archive and find the item in question from those. But that's not what we have here. We've got "Tinea. 5 April 2023. Kiss". Even assuming somebody could decypher that into "A program titled 'Tinea' which was broadcast on a radio station called 'Kiss' on 5 April 2023", that's insufficient to find it. Is there an archive of everything Kiss broadcast that day? We don't know. If there is, how would one locate it other than listening to 24 hours of streaming audio in the hopes of recognizing something? You provided a URL that you say was in a previous version of the citation, but that URL 404's. In short, there's no way an interested reader could find the original source material to verify it. RoySmith (talk) 13:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I see what you're driving at. I can offer you a copy of the schedule from last Wednesday, which points you to this series, which is two hours long, and I think she occupied the third quarter; most radio programmes she's on like to trail her appearance, although I really regret not taking down the timestamp at the time. (Unless I'm going blind, the only time parameter in Template:Cite episode is for a timestamp within the programme.) As for the hook, I can either offer ALT2: ... that Feel It was the first song Piri & Tommy recorded outside of their bedrooms?, or you can wait until I've finished my Tommy Villiers draft and we can go with something that starts "that the Feel It guitarist Tommy Villiers". (Probably "is the great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell", unless I either find something else or can't get back to Fulham Library to verify where exactly within Burke's it is.)--Launchballer 09:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was actually thinking of the following wording since I think it's hookier and puts more emphasis on the bedrooms thing
ALT2a ... that prior to the release of "Feel It", all of Piri & Tommy's songs were recorded in their bedrooms?
What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:00, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2b: ... that prior to their feature on MJ Cole's "Feel It", all of Piri & Tommy's songs were recorded in their bedrooms?--Launchballer 13:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging RoySmith for their input. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:40, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm still uncomfortable with this, for the reasons I outlined above. I did a bunch of searching and couldn't find anything to back this up. This is a currently performing popular music act. You would expect there would be all sorts of coverage on the interwebs. That I can't find anything leaves me uneasy. RoySmith (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found out about it through one of her Instagram Stories, which disappeared. I do know what I listened to, but if you're that worried I just had ALT0 approved at Tommy Villiers - you could go with ALT3: ... that the "Feel It" guitarist Tommy Villiers is the great-great-great-great-grandson of the British Prime Minister John Russell, 1st Earl Russell? but you'd need to be quick.--Launchballer 04:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Have we got any possible alts cited to sources that we can all access? UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
one of her Instagram Stories, which disappeared is pretty much the antithesis of WP:RS. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be clear, I listened to the broadcast having been alerted to its existence by Instagram. I do have a policy of not citing sources I haven't seen (or listened to, in this case); Debrett's almost certainly has the claim that Tommy is the great-great-grandson of Thomas Hyde Villiers, but because I can't see it on preview, I used it for what I could see (up to Hugo) and used Burke's for the rest.--Launchballer 14:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was considering bringing this up at WP:RSN, but given that this is primarily an issue of verification for DYK purposes rather than a question of if a broadcast is a suitable source, I've started a discussion at WT:DYK#Template:Did you know nominations/Feel It (MJ Cole song) to get more eyes on this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yesterday, Tommy Villiers was approved, but only for ALT1 (perhaps Vaticidalprophet missed that it was a double nom?). ALT3 (above), which incorporated that article, is sourced to books that can be found in libraries; Debrett's can be found in The British Library, while Burke's, which I used for most of it, I got from Fulham Library. They are both verifiable - in fact, I even took the liberty of drawing up a family tree to make obvious which bit I got from where.--Launchballer 09:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I looked at that one for days and had no idea what to do with it -- it looked clear that the combined-hook one wasn't going to run, and "a nomination includes both combined hooks and separate hooks, the combined one is rejected" is not something for which I've seen sufficient precedent about how to handle the other half of the combination. Going by how long it sat at DYKNA, I'm guessing everyone else did the same. I eventually promoted it for the one that was approved in that specific nomination; I make no statements and have no opinions on how to promote the article in the rejected combined hook. Vaticidalprophet 09:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 5[edit]

Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402

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Created by Sebbirrrr (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Sebbirrrr: thanks for this article - it is well-written, well-sourced and well-structured. QPQ also done. So all in shape, except the hooks above - ALT0 source link doesn't point to a clear explanation, and ALT1 is not interesting. If you can provide a quote from the source for ALT0, then I like the hookiness of it. Otherwise an ALT2 could point out that the book was described as having captured "grade-school grotesquerie". Onceinawhile (talk) 07:47, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile: Thanks for the review. The given source mentions the last poem "Which one is me and which is you?" and says that the kids from room 402 are as familiar as the face in the mirror, although I guess I should have added the Language Arts source as well as it clearly says that it is hard not to respond to the author's invitation to choose the student that is most like you. Let me know if this is alright for ALT0. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: thank you. Please could you add this additional citation and clearer explanation to the “Content” section of the article? Then I will approve ALT0. Thank you Onceinawhile (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile: Apologies, but I was not sure which citation you were referring to. I added the quote from the last poem and added a bit more detail about it since the quote from Language Arts was already included in the Reception section. Please tell me if I added the correct citation. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Sebirrrr, good to go! Onceinawhile (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile and Sebbirrrr: I am unable to make a connection between the hook and our article. Bruxton (talk) 19:27, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bruxton: Hello. The hook refers to the last poem in the book that states: "Which one is me and which is you?". If the hook is too vague, I guess it can be tweaked to include that the readers are invited to pick the student they best identify with. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:53, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IMO We need to workshop another hook. Bruxton (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See my suggestion for an ALT2 above. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bruxton: Using Onceinawhile's suggestion, would the following hook work? ALT2: ... that a reviewer thought that Gracie Graves and the Kids from Room 402 depicted "grade-school grotesquerie"? Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not sure. We may need some help from @Cielquiparle:. Can you help us fashion a hook? My mind is blank at the moment. Bruxton (talk) 15:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The problem with ALT2 is that in the review, "grade-school grotesquerie" is technically used to describe the domain of the co-authors' expertise rather than the book topic itself. (Picky, I know.) Some ideas for ALT hooks (which could be candidates for the "quirky" slot:
Source for both hook is the Publishers Weekly review which is cited within the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is another one:
Source for that is the School Library Journal review, cited within the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much for proposing alternate hooks. I haven't considered writing one about the children in the class. I don't mind either ALT4 or ALT5, but we'll see what @Bruxton: thinks. Sebbirrrr (talk) 08:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Unfortunately, ALT4 would not be suitable as guidelines require hooks to have a real-world connection and not be based on plot, which ALT4 seems to be. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure I buy that as "depicted in" makes it clear that it is describing a plot, rather than describing something in-universe. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
From what I understand about the criterion, that kind of hook is still violating the spirit of the criterion. If the hook describes something as plot, that's still not enough to count as a real-world link. I think there was a discussion on WT:DYK a few months ago regarding that: maybe Theleekycauldron knows. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:DYKFICTION should have the answer you're looking for here :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 18:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: No, it's super unclear. What does it mean? Cielquiparle (talk) 03:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what it's worth, I do think the idea ALT3 is an acceptable hook, though it may require attribution. Also maybe a different wording since not everyone might know what "peruse" means. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think readers can guess what "perusing" means from context. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I think that's fine. DYKFICTION states that hooks need to be substantially connected the real world, not just a plot hook that is "technically out-of-universe because we acknowledge that it's plot". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 03:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Restoring hook due to edit conflict:
Source is the School Library Journal review cited in the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Requires a new reviewer to approve the hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To clarify, I just wanted a reviewer to look at ALT6. @Narutolovehinata5 and Theleekycauldron: Does that one work? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:37, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm fine with either ALT3 or ALT6. I have no access to ALT6's sources so AGF, though I should note that the footnote that supports it isn't in the sentence that mentions the "smug superiority" fact but rather the following sentence. That needs to be addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:48, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: Any editor with Wikipedia Library access should be able to access EBSCOHost sources by logging on to Wikipedia Library first, then clicking on the link. To register for an account, visit Wikipedia LibraryCielquiparle (talk) 02:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I have resolved the footnote issue in the article (and deleted the second sentence which had become repetitive anyway). For reference, here is the quote from School Library Journal: "These 29 visual and verbal caricatures in verse convey a sort of smug superiority of adults ridiculing the foibles and weaknesses of youth rather than genuine childlike humor. For the most part, the book lacks any warmth or caring about others and ultimately reinforces low self-esteem in children. Unfortunately, the most appealing of these often-strained verses glorify the worst behavior." Cielquiparle (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 10[edit]

Oil in Turkey

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Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:57, 10 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oil in Turkey; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

OK will doChidgk1 (talk) 08:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Have replaced QPQ - please could someone review Chidgk1 (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Chidgk1: Good article, but i'm not exactly a fan of the hook. Could a better one be made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onegreatjoke (talk • contribs) 20:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Chidgk1: Maybe expand on the extra heavy because just saying Extra Heavy makes no sense. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am hoping that making no sense will intrigue people to click it as I thought that was the point of a hook. I thought a hook was supposed to be clickbait. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's somewhat of a difference if a fine line between a hook that is intentionally vague to encourage people to read, and a hook that is so vague that it makes no sense and thus drives away readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: I assume that many readers will be American and many Americans know the superhero - of course ALT2 might make no sense on first reading but turns out to be grammatically and factually correct Chidgk1 (talk) 16:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 11[edit]

Chaim Tzvi Schneerson

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Created by EytanMelech (talk). Self-nominated at 21:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Chaim Tzvi Schneerson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The article has been flagged for WP:V and WP:NOR by another editor. That being said, it's a great article and with some more work on the aforementioned issues, could be a great DYK. Maximilian775 (talk)
@Maximilian775: Thank you! I am still unsure what parts are "original research", but would be happy to correct any issues with the article if given examples of what needs to change.

EytanMelech (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Miraclepine, could you possibly elaborate on the notice you left on the article? TIA. Maximilian775 (talk)
  • Comment. I don't think this is main page-ready. At minimum, it needs a top-to-bottom copyedit: there are confusing sentences and basic grammatical errors like not capitalizing the first letter in a sentence but also capitalizing random words like Speech. Here's a single paragraph I took a look at. More problematically, while this is great material for, say, a website or an extended blog post, I think there's far too much detail on weak sourcing from a giant hunt for any mention of Schneerson's name at all for Wikipedia standards. Not every contemporary news article is significant or reliable. For example, the "feats of the assembly" of this Melbourne meeting was mentioned, but there weren't any "feats". It was an awareness and fundraising event that clearly didn't actually go that far, and Schneerson is not even mentioned by name in the resulting book nor is it clear it's his article being quoted from, and even if it was (it probably was, sure), it was two pages in a 256 page book stashed in an appendix. Is this really THAT important to bring up? I think a Wikipedia article needs to be a little more focused on the important things that secondary sources say, and a loving full treatment of every single mention is more for a book or specific website on the topic. The 1860s were an era when print was fairly cheap; saying "news about Schneerson's actions and speeches continued to be published in Europe" is kind of the equivalent of saying that a modern-day newsletter writer continues to write posts. That's nice, but not really THAT special. SnowFire (talk) 18:56, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @EytanMelech: It's been a month or so. Do you think you have the time or implication to look into the concerns above? If not, it's no big deal, but we can withdraw or close the nomination then. SnowFire (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @SnowFire: A decent amount of copyediting has been done by various users since I worked on the page, so that is taken care of. There are no more sources available for Schneerson. I scoured every newspaper archive I could find and every web result from every web browser in every variation of spelling of his name in both English and Hebrew. If you are not happy with the detail here, then there is nothing else I can do. EytanMelech (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @EytanMelech: I believe you, but to be clear, the complaint above is not "the article is not comprehensive enough." Per above, the issue is "far too much detail" - that by scooping up every single contemporary newspaper article, the article lacks focus, and my lend undue weight to events that weren't actually that important (e.g. see above about how a passing reference, in an appendix of Rome and Jerusalem, to an article that Schneerson wrote, that did not mention the journalist by name, gets some time). Which is wonderful work in many ways, but it's really better for a book / website / journal article than an encyclopedia overview article. And even if trimmed, it needs copyediting. SnowFire (talk) 17:20, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          • I understand what you mean. A lot of those very niche details I think were mostly stuff that I adapted from originally uncited claims on the Hebrew article. EytanMelech (talk) 17:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@EytanMelech: I still see concerns in this article, including sections that are uncited. Are you working on this in the next few days, or should this be withdrawn? Z1720 (talk) 14:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Z1720: As I have stated, I have no more sources. There is nothing that I could do to find more citations for any other information in the article. I assume most of the information that is uncited is found somewhere in the book on Otzar (under Sources, Klausner 1973) but I do not have a subscription to the site and cannot access the book. EytanMelech (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@EytanMelech: DYK does not allow uncited statements in the articles that are listed. I suggest removing the parts that you cannot find a citation for, and post here when the article is ready for a re-review. Z1720 (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "ISRAELITES IN TURKEY". New York Times. 23 Aug 1877. p. 1. Retrieved 11 Jul 2023.
  2. ^ Klausner, Israel (1973). רבי חיים צבי שניאורסון : ממבשרי מדינת ישראל (in Hebrew). Jerusalem: Mossad Harav Kook. p. 105.


Articles created/expanded on July 19[edit]

World constitution

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Created by BeLucky (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/World constitution; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Drive by comment: This dramatically overstates how much this exists and how much is "works". Many is a WTW. Is there a third hook that could be used? --Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @BeLucky: Giving this its first full review. New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. I do not like ALT1/3, and ALT2 does not remedy the issue raised above. Maybe ALT0 without "working" would do? Two issues: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The passage Efforts to formulate world constitutions have been present throughout history, often arising in response to global crises or conflicts. These initiatives have sought to address the limitations of the existing international order and propose more comprehensive systems of global governance. needs a citation.
    • I wonder if the two bullet point lists could be written instead as prose, though that might be more of a GA-type issue than DYK.

Annales des Maladies de la Peau et de la Syphilis

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Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Annales des Maladies de la Peau et de la Syphilis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: QPQ hasn't yet been done, article appears ineligible since it was not nommed within a timely manner. Earwig looks good and page is well written. Hook is interesting a cited properly. I gave the supplimentary rules a good read through, particularly D9 (newness IAR): The "seven days old" limit can be extended for a day or two upon request., I feel as though you'd probably ask for leniency, and I'm more than happy to accommodate, just please the the QPQ in sooner than later. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 04:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Etriusus:... Thank you. QPQ added. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:35, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
DYK reviewed, passed. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 10:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 30[edit]

Super Connected

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  • ... that Super Connected, the new album by Tim Arnold, was banned by Apple for a track about an 'iHead', that was narrated by Stephen Fry? Source: "A Vision Pro parody ad on an album featuring actor Stephen Fry has been banned from an album on Apple Music. The spoof ad for an iHead product was actually created some four years before Apple actually launched a headset" - 9to5mac.com - https://9to5mac.com/2023/07/05/vision-pro-parody-banned/
    • Reviewed: (optional)
    • Comment: I'm autistic and found this complicated to do but I was told by an experienced Wikipedian to give it a try. I hope I've done it correctly. Sorry if I haven't. Martin

Created by 23M23 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Super Connected; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Interesting hook, article itself is well sourced, and neutral. I made some minor copy edits. As a new DYK nominator, 23M23 does not need to review other DYK hooks. I saw elsewhere, they wanted to add an image, which would not be possible, because the home page does not allow fair use images, which most music albums are. This hook itself is ready to go. Congratulations 23M23! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Shushugah: You cannot approve an article without reviewing it for possible copyright violations (of the prose, not just the images) or close paraphrasing. Also...are you sure about the sourcing for this article? In other words, are you comfortable that all sources cited in the article would pass WP:RS? Or do some of them need to be removed and better sources found? Cielquiparle (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for pinging me! I forgot to do copyvio check earlier. Using earwig, I checked the 10 possible copyright violations. Majority of them are false positives, due to long quotes that are correctly cited being found as matches. After confirming that the news sources were written before the entry (eliminating citogenesis possibility) was added to Wikipedia,
  • I do conclude that that Diva Magazine copies sentences verbatim instead of resummarizing the source. Please have a look at this 23M23 and ping me when done.
  • I also assessed whether the Medium blog sources written by subject of article are WP:UNDUE/self PROMO. I think they're used in a DUE/reasonable way within the article, but it would be preferable to replace with secondary sourcing. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Issues need to be fixed. Will move to WP:DYKN. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 1[edit]

Lillian V. Holdeman Moore

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Created by PlantPoet (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lillian V. Holdeman Moore; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - Page number is needed for the book. If you read the book, you will also find that "Holdeman observed that astronauts had a 25% increase in the intestinal populations of hydrogen-gas-producing" is false. The increase was much larger, with the population increasing 13 times and accounting for the 25% of the total bacteria population. I tried to find the scientific publication in scholar but failed ( I found the other one mentioned about the stress). Also, I added two citation needed tags.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: C messier (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on August 5[edit]

Inferno (Counter-Strike)

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Improved to Good Article status by NegativeMP1 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:32, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Inferno (Counter-Strike); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
  • Other problems: Red XN - I would take ALT 1 over ALT 0, since ALT 0 may only be appealing to a gaming audience or not be well understood by a wider audience. The attribution of ALT 1 is problematic because it is sourced from one review, a Kotaku article, and may not reflect a wider opinion of game reviewers/publications/individual perceptions. I like it, but if it is "one of the best multiplayer maps in video game history" there should be multiple reliable sources that state such. In the article, it does not state "best multiplayer maps in video game history" but lists other varying factors such as: "one of the best multiplayer maps ever made" or "Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and among the best in the series" or "Throughout the lifespan of Global Offensive, Inferno has been considered one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene". It seems to be the best at multiple things here, which is confusing given the current hook's wording. A plausible hook could involve Kotaku. Maybe another hook idea?
QPQ: None required.

Overall: This article was a good read, first and foremost. I got to learn more about a map in the game CS:GO. I have never played the game, but I am well aware of it and its legacy. The article was recently promoted to GA on August 5, 2023, and it is long enough to support 8,800 bytes/characters. The article is supported by a list of reliable sources, neutral, and free from major copyright and plagiarism. According to our lovely friend Earwig, the article turns up mostly quotes and common phrases. There is one small paraphrasing issue, but it should be addressed with the above and below comments inadvertently. Hooks are in length, cited here, but there are some problems noted above and below. QPQ is not needed since this is a first-time nomination.

For my DYK reviews, I tend to add some comments the editor can implement to improve their article. I believe these suggestions should be implemented, as a reader might have questions on the article's content:

  • In the lead, wikilinks for "casual" with Casual game and possibly "competitive play" with Gamer or Esports? Same with their first appearance in the body.
  • Wikilink the first instance of choke points in the section "Design".
  • Also, in the section "Design", the sentence: ... as they control very important locations and will almost certainly experience conflict. might read better as ... as they control important locations and will experience points of conflict.
  • In the subsection "Global Offensive" in "History", the sentence: The map returned in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, now as a base game map, with minor graphical enhancements ... might read better as The map returned in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive as a base game map, with minor graphical enhancements ...
  • In the "Reception" section, the sentence: Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and among the best in the series. should clarify who says CS:GO's Inferno is the best: Inferno has often been called one of the best maps in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive by [gaming publications/reviewers/the public] and among the best in the series.
  • In the "Reception" section, the sentence: As of 2023, Inferno remains one of the most popular maps in the games competitive scene, and it was used in the last Major Championship before the upcoming release of Counter-Strike 2. is out of place, given that later in the subsection "Competitive impact" it restates the first half of this sentence at the beginning and covers the rest of it in more detail. I would delete this sentence.
  • Unfortunately, this sentence: Throughout the lifespan of Global Offensive, Inferno has been considered one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene. is a bit problematic given that it does not accurately provide a summary of the subsection's topics, as it attempts to define what the section does not/is not. The statement is particularly confusing since it seems to stretch into WP:OR, giving a general anecdote for a series of controversial changes/criticism/popularity stats of the subsection's topics but not addressing how the map was explicitly: "one of the most important maps in the games competitive scene".
  • I think a plausible way to fix this would be to move sentences: "After the final Counter-Strike major in early 2023, it was revealed that Inferno was the most played map in the games majors, being played 263 times, with Mirage being played 243 times. The map was featured in all of the games majors except the Cologne 2016 and Atlanta 2017, which took place during the maps update period." possibly back up to the main "Reception" content, likely as the last sentences of the first paragraph. I would also reword it to better conform with the idea that it is "among the best in the series". I would delete the subsection and preface the remaining sentences with something about controversy or criticism that fit WP:DUE.
  • In the subsection "Competitive impact", I assume "CT side" is "Counter-Terrorist side". If so, an abbreviation should appear somewhere in the article, likely during the first instance of the word.

I know this seems like a lot, but with some perseverance, I believe this article could pass if a new hook is cited and changes to the article's content are made that better reflect a newly accurate worded hook. There are some grammar/sentence structure stuff I can help fix later, but the above are crucial to implement. I do not want to outright say no to this DYK nomination since this is a first-time nom, and I believe in the editor's work! Adog (Talk・Cont) 05:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Adog Thanks for the feedback on the article itself, these were some things I honestly didn't take into account too much and hence didn't notice. I think most of it should be addressed now? Anyways, I specified Kotaku in the ALT1 and added an ALT2, which I think might be way more interesting as a hook. NegativeMP1 (talk) 05:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @NegativeMP1: Awesome! I went through the article and did some touch ups for your attention. If something was changed that altered the sentence's meaning, feel free to revert it back. The article looks amazing! I like ALT 2 a lot. ALT 1 could be an alternative. I am going to ask for another reviewer just to double-check, but I feel this article looks good, has the hook, and is ready. Thank you for your patience and attention. Good luck! :) Adog (Talk・Cont) 13:34, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Herb Dell

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Herb Dell; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: His being official at the same time is sourced to a primary source database. As it's an exceptional claim that he'd be in a conflict of interest position, it should have a secondary source, vetted by an author, which confirms that he was an official and coach in the same league at the same time. —Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I've always found Pro Football Archives a reliable and accurate source, but if you need a non-database reference I'll need awhile to find it (I may contact them to see which games he officiated and if that doesn't work, I may have to go digging through all the game recaps of the season - but I had planned on doing that anyway in a month or two for another project). Is that alright, @Bagumba:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm ok to wait (I'll leave it to others if there are DYK restrictions on the length of that wait).—Bagumba (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BeanieFan11: What's the status of your search? Is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on August 8[edit]

Hanscotte centre-rail system

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Created by AntientNestor (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hanscotte centre-rail system; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: This is my first DYK application—QPQ doesn't apply.
  • The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. Everything is reliably referenced. A QPQ isn't needed. SL93 (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @AntientNestor and SL93: I have looked at this article many times wanting to promote it, but I get stuck trying to verify that the fact cited in the hook is in the article. If you want this to run on the main page, I really think the fact cited in the hook needs to be made more explicit and clearer in the article itself. Remember, by putting it on the main page, you're now asking a broader audience to read the article, and it should be reasonably straightforward for readers to verify that the claim made in the hook is actually in the article. (Also SL93: What about the references you can access? What is your assessment of possible copyright violations or close paraphrasing?) Cielquiparle (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Google has the text of the pages used as a reference here. These are cited in the article. Thanks for taking an interest.--AntientNestor (talk) 21:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 9[edit]

Joya no Kane

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  • ... that Japanese Buddhist temples ring their bells 108 times on New Year's Eve? Source: [13]: 「除夜の鐘は、大晦日の夜に各寺で撞かれるもので、回数はほとんどの寺で108回と決まっている。」 "Joya no Kane is an event that happens on New Year's Eve at each temple, and the number of times is generally fixed at 108."
    • Reviewed:

Moved to mainspace by AdJHu (talk). Self-nominated at 23:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Joya no Kane; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Hi, welcome to DYK! According to WP:DYKCITE, "All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)." I see multiple paragraphs that do not have any in-line citation. Are you able to add them? Otherwise, the page is new enough and long enough. I know a little Japanese and I can see that the cited sources are about Joya no Kane, but I will "assume good faith" (AGF) that they contain the details they support. Because the information is translated from Japanese sources, I assume it is free of close paraphrasing.
  • One thing I found confusing: "the founder Shinran Shonin did not think that sins were something that are paid for". Is Joya no Kane seen as a way to pay for sins? I see the "number of worldly sins" as a possible explanation for there being 108 rings of the bell, but nothing about it paying for sin.
  • The hook is good and supported by the source cited in the DYK nomination. However, the fact needs an in-line citation in the body of the Wikipedia article. Please let me know if you have questions and I am happy to clarify. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hi, thanks for taking a look at this. Apologies for the delay, real life stuff is coming up. I will address your feedback once I have some time. AdJHu 胡 18:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@AdJHu: Have you addressed the concerns? Is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 10[edit]

Lil Tay

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Created by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lil Tay; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

@TDKR Chicago 101, Tails Wx, and Bruxton: I've pulled this per my questions at the DYK noticeboard. Do ping me when changes have been made, I'll put this back in prep myself. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:51, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I was not clear on what is specifically needed based on your message on DYK talk. Bruxton (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Theleekycauldron: Agreed, not sure what the specific issues are? I already expanded the lead and the article is well sourced. I thought TMZ was a generally accepted source by Wiki. Not to mention most of the TMZ/Insider sources used is to back up statements in the article where TMZ/Insider are directly referenced. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on August 11[edit]

Walid Hamdiya

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Created by Longhornsg (talk). Self-nominated at 02:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walid Hamdiya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This article was nominated on the day it was created. Sources check out. The hooks are interesting (though the hospital bed execution might be more so). There are two problems, however. One of them is length. Seemingly, the article just barely passes the length requirements; but there is so much repetition between the lead and the two sections that a mere character count is misleading. The second issue is notability. I see no evidence of significant coverage in the sources cited or the sources I find online. As far as DYK goes, however, I would say the first problem is more pressing. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 15[edit]

Hevenu shalom aleichem

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Daliah Lavi in 1966
Daliah Lavi in 1966
  • ... that "Hevenu shalom aleichem", adapted to English as "May there be peace in the world", has been sung at Jewish weddings and German events for peace? Source: several
  • ALT1: ... that the Israeli singer Daliah Lavi (pictured) recorded the Hebrew song "Hevenu shalom aleichem" ("May there be peace in the world") in Germany in 1974? Source: several
    • Reviewed: Echte Wagner Margarine
    • Comment: El C had not much time yet to add things from an Israeli point of view. He may come up with a better hook. - I understand that Lavi's image is not directly related to the song but it shows the spirit of that time and its peace movements quite well.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and El C (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:02, 22 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hevenu shalom aleichem; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been provided. No close paraphrasing has been found. I prefer the first hook as being more interesting to a broad audience than the ALT. That hook is cited inline in the source and verified. However, only the "has been sung at Jewish weddings" part of the hook is directly mentioned in the article: the "German events for peace" part is not directly stated in the article, only that it is a song about peace. I could also suggest an additional alternative hook about it being sung by Ukranian refugees as I think that's a pretty good angle for a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thank you. Going to work on more refs for those events. I saw an article by Bild on 10000 in Dresden in Spring 2022 for Ukraine, but when I wanted to quote from it, I had exceeded my limit of free access. Can you perhaps see it? - Also: I wanted to give El C a chance to supply more on Israeli history and events first. - Also, some women who just died are higher on my priority list. I feel I have to write an FA now if I want to get achievements to the Main page, - quite a mountain I must say. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5: Looking at the sources, I'm not convinced this article is notable? Delighted to learn of it, I'd never heard it, but a lot of the significant coverage seems to come from non-editorial and non-reputable sourcing. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I am still waiting for El C, and references to the specific meaning it has in Israel. For the waiting time, enjoy a great performance. Or Walter Arlen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    El C now contributed many uses in Israel, and I'd like to know which items seems most promising, possibly to replace "Jewish weddings" which many will know already, Narutolovehinata5, theleekycauldron. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • El_C, without having the patience to read through the Hebrew in the new refs, it seems like the most you were able to squeeze out of them was short-but-impactful mentions. Do any of them go into detail about the piece or otherwise provide sigcov? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      No. El_C 15:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      tlc, this is not a piece, just a text of 3 words, and a melody of 8 measures, but with impact comparable to La Marseillaise. A song in Hebrew listed in multiple German song books (in Hebrew), a peace song chosen as one of six by German authorities, the signature melody of El Al, + the other uses, - isn't that enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Gerda Arendt: Strictly speaking: not really, no. Per WP:NSONGS, songs are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works. Can you tell me which sources in the article (or otherwise) meet that standard? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      as you say "strictly speaking". We have many articles about songs that are known in a small part of the world, used by a few people. I wrote some of them, such as Segne dieses Kind. "Hevenu shalom aleichem", however, is known by many, as the article says. Counting: "Segne dieses Kind" is part of 21 German songbooks. Hevenu shalom aleichen is part of 54 German songbooks, not counting English, French, you name it. Widely published, arranged by many, played by orchestras, ... - all that establishes notability for me. The guideline is meant - I think - to avoid articles about someone's song promoted by that someone. Not the case here. Can we ignore the "rule", IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Gerda Arendt: If that's your request, the community should have the opportunity to make that call at the proper venue – I would suggest AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I thought you would understand that a song published in hundreds of books, frequently recorded, is notable, even if nobody specifically wrote about the song because it's a traditional, with no notable author or composer known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      You are being too naive, Gerda. Do you not understand what's happening here? You may have just given theleekycauldron their win (deletion of this page) by even mentioning IAR, and as plea no less (!). Earnest but foolish. Anyway, suggest you cease from engaging this AfD-lite. Sorry I was too busy today to advise you on that. So let theleekycauldron file their AfD; don't get worn out here. El_C 08:08, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I admit being naive. I should have used WP:COMMONSENSE - just found out it's a redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 18[edit]

Bill Dunn (Pilbara elder)

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  • ... that Bill Dunn, an Indigenous Australian pastoralist approaching retirement, sold his station at half-price to the Jigalong community? Source: When Robertson Range, too, became difficult for Dunn to manage, Dunn sold it at half the value to the traditional land owners, even though there were several full-price offers from non-Indigenous people wanting the station. [14]
    • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Jack4576 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bill Dunn (Pilbara elder); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Jack4576: Good article. While the hook isn't that interesting on it's own, mentioning that non-Indigenous people were offering full price in the hook would make it more interesting for me to approve. Also, this isn't for DYK but is he dead? The article doesn't really explain his life past the 1980s or mention any possible death. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks User:Onegreatjoke. I don’t see how it matters whether the actual purchasers offered full price or not. What matters is that he had the option of selling it to third parties at full price, but chose instead to make an offer at half-price to the traditional owner.
Could “was the first indigenous cattle station owner in Western Australia?” be a better alternative hook?
The article focuses mostly on his career rather than his personal life; because that’s what’s detailed in the available sources. Yes he’s passed but it was after the publication of the book and i’ve yet to locate an obituary (or other RS) for the death date. Jack4576 (talk) 08:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jack4576: Then the death issue is fine. though, your alternative hook suggestion would work well so I'd advise you make that into a full hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jack4576: Please respond to Onegreatjoke so that this nomination can move forward. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi I've re-obtained my physical copy of the book today. Please give me two days to find a pinpoint citation in support of the proposition and I'll put it here. Jack4576 (talk) 09:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Onegreatjoke, I've found a location in the book where it is mentioned that non-indigenous people were in fact offering the full price. Page 70 reads: "Word quickly spread that the station was on the market. Offers came in, from neighbouring pastoralists and others willing to pay full market price. Bill, however, wanted the Jigalong people to have it. After all, it was really their parna (own country). ... So, for the "Jigalong Mob", he halved the price. It was still a problem but they found the money". Would this be sufficient? I'll add it to the article. Jack4576 (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg

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Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg
Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg

Created by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 15:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mattias Alexander von Ungern-Sternberg; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment, not review: the key passages in the source provided seem to be lämnade [Ungern-Sternberg] med vederbörlig tillåtelse svenska hären midt under Carl XII:s krig, för att först i fransk och sedan i holländsk tjänst lära sig krigets yrke. Under dessa läroår deltog han i spanska tronföljdskriget, först på fransk, sedan på holländsk, sida and on the following page Med anledning däraf, och särskildt som en af Mössornas hufvudmän, hvilket parti i följd af missnöjet med den eländiga krigföringen började få ökadt inflytande, kallades han att vid riksmötet 1742 emottaga landtmarskalksstafven,, where Mössorna = the Caps. TSventon (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, thanks for the kind clarification. Yakikaki (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • New, well-written, long enough, image properly licensed. The info in the hook is apparently verified, but it does not have worldwide appeal in this form, and it doesn't seem like the implied juxtaposition is immediately apparent. I suppose that the hook means to say something along the lines of: "he had fought for the French and the Dutch, but then joined the Russophile Caps". That would be interesting, granted, but this fact would need to spelled outright in the article (and be mentioned in the sources it uses, of course). To add to the awkwardness, the article goes on to say that he never actually expressed Russophilia -- presumably, he adhered to the Caps because he agreed with the other aspects of their platform; I would also like to see this fact, namely his hesitation to express either Francophilia or Russophilia, clearly referenced, as it is not immediately apparent if the citations at the very end of that paragraph are for all the sentences before. This needs to be clarified, either way, or another hook should be suggested. Dahn (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Well, hm. I was aiming for a certain comical effect. As in, he first fought for the French and the Dutch, OK, well-known European states battling it out in Europe of the times, and then sided with – the Caps?! Who in the blazes were they? And what kind of a name is that for a faction? I thought it had quite a lot of hookiness, myself. Yakikaki (talk) 14:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I get it, it's sort of like "the Moops". I disagree though that the gimmick makes it interesting -- it isn't even wordplay, it's quite... bland. Dahn (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yakikaki and Dahn: Can we get some alt hooks so this can move along? Z1720 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For my part this can be closed. I have no alternative hook in mind, and the reviewer didn't get what I was aiming at with the original. Yakikaki (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Maybe something on his rather weird one-month contribution to the Pomeranian War? Dahn (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

James B. Tapp

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James Tapp with his P-51

Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James B. Tapp; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article is new enough (created August 18) and easily long enough with > 10,000 characters of text. Earwig reveals substantial similarity (> 45%) with two sources, but that is due to the fact that the article quotes directly and extensively from Tapp's citations -- I suspect this is fine since the citations are government works. The hook is interesting, but it's inaccurate insofar as it asserts that Tapp was American's first flying ace. Frederick Libby is recognized as America's first flying ace for his service in World War I. See also List of World War I flying aces from the United States. The source cited in Tapp's case asserts more narrowly that he was "the first Army ace over Japan". Cbl62 (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Cbl62: My hook wanted to state that Tapp was the American to become flying ace while flying very long range (VLR) missions in the P-51 over Japan during WWII. Is there a way to edit the hook in such a way that it would be known that he was the first VLR mission ace over Japan ? Toadboy123 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Toadboy123: What about something like alt3 ... that James B. Tapp (pictured) was the first American pilot to be recognized as a flying ace for flying very long range (VLR) missions over mainland Japan during World War II? I can't approve my own proposed hook, but if you like it, you can ask for another review to have a look. Otherwise I can approve alt 2. Whichever you prefer. Cbl62 (talk) 05:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Based on my review, I can approve alt2, but the nominator prefers alt3 which I cam up with. Accordingly, we need another reviewer to consider alt3. Cbl62 (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on August 19[edit]

Shows of a Lost World

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Created by Nathan121212 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shows of a Lost World; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Some suggestions
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Nathan121212: Good article. though I will say that the hook could probably do better with mentioning either the amount of money they made or how they clashed with ticketmaster to lower prices. Also there's a refimprove tag so what's up with that? Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC) @Onegreatjoke: feel free to remove the refimprove unless you think there's a claim that needs sourcing. For another hook maybe,Reply[reply]

I think my first hook is a little cleaner. Nathan121212 (talk) 08:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 20[edit]

Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha

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  • ... that the part of longitude 79E which pass over India consist of eight prominent Shiva temples, known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha, and it span over 2,383 km (1,481 mi)? Source: Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha

ALT1: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?

ALT2: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude are known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha?

    • Reviewed:

Created by Omer123hussain (talk). Self-nominated at 14:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Did you know; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The hook is quite hard to understand. It's not really a hook but more of a rephrasing of the article's first line. The article also has just over 1000 characters, which is below the 1500-character minimum for DYK. If the article can be expanded further then the review can continue but if not I'm afraid the nomination will have to be failed due to ineligibility. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The new hook is not suitable at all, not just because it's also not very hooky (see WP:Did you know/Guidelines for more information, but also because the article is still (barely) under 1500 characters. I should also point out that there's a big "orphan" tag on the article that needs to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Resolved Orphan tag, and expanded the article. :) Omer123hussain (talk) 08:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article is now above 1500 ch, and revised the hook to make it more hooky :)Omer123hussain (talk)
Dropping a ping to Narutolovehinata5 and a possible ALT1: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1: that ... eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?
I Agree with "ALT1", waiting for Narutolovehinata5. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As Narutolovehinata5 had not responded we can proceed now. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 07:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The new hook isn't the greatest but I think another reviewer can take a look at this and do a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
added new alt2 Narutolovehinata5, its simple and clear to understand.
@Omer123hussain: Pings only work if you sign the edit at the same time. Paging Narutolovehinata5. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My apology, its my bad :)—Omer123hussain (talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • According to DYKcheck, the article is still under 1500 prose characters (1443), and will need to be expanded further. Please note that all text in the table is does not count as prose per DYK guidelines. There's no point in finding someone to do a full review as suggested above until the article is long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: thanks for your review, I had expanded the article by adding a sectin "Legends" i hope it serves the purpose now. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 21[edit]

Saw E Binnya

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Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Saw E Binnya; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: An inline citation is needed at the end of the first paragraph in the Career section. On the fence about whether "In a fateful decision" is encyclopedic language. I don't see in the article where it supports "shortly". Ergo Sum 21:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Ergo Sum, thanks for the review. (1) Re: the first paragraph in the career section, the paragraph is meant to be a mini-lede/summary of what to come. Anyway, I've added a couple of citations as asked. (2) Removed "In a fateful decision" with "At any rate". (3) Re: "shortly", I've rewritten the sentence. According to the chronicle, Hanthawaddy troops charged forward, blocked the gate doors from closing, and captured the fort. No additional fighting was reported. Please review again. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The end of the first paragraph still needs an inline citation. You can take the citation inside the explanatory footnote and reproduce it at the end of the sentence, then also use it as an inline citation at the end of the sentence inside the footnote. Indeed, all four of the explanatory footnotes lack inline citations at the ends of them. Also, the article does not clearly state that the battle came to an end with the subject's death. Ergo Sum 03:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ergo Sum, I've added two additional separate inline citations in the paragraph. The additional citations are those already mentioned in the associated note. As for the citations in the notes, those already have citations. Yo seem to be looking for superscripted citations in the notes themselves. For some reason, I can't nest citations within the notes. Anyway, I'm not sure why we need nested citations. I've used this format in successful GA norms as well as dozens of DYKs. No one has ever raised the issue.
  • As for the battle ending after his death, I've provided the citation that says Hanthawaddy troops got inside the fort after his death, and captured the fort. What I'm missing? Hybernator (talk) 23:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on August 23[edit]

Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch

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Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - n
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Rachel Helps (BYU): Good article, but the hook isn't interesting to me. Can something else be proposed? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:10, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the review, Onegreatjoke. The significance of the book is very much "inside baseball" of Mormon studies, but I'll try for a more interesting hook. How about:
ALT 1 "... that according to Mormon women's historian Jennifer Reeder, Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch, an anthology of Utah women's poetry created for display at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, represented a "pivotal" shift in Mormon history toward a "socially-accepted American cultural and religious heritage"?"
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ALT 2 "... that Eliza R. Snow's poem, "Invocation", which mentions the Mormon doctrine of Heavenly Mother, appears in Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch, an anthology of Utah women's poetry created for display at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition?"
I remember something about not being able to quote critics in DYK hooks, but I couldn't find the rule about it, so maybe it's not actually a rule? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Rachel Helps (BYU): While neat, these hooks are too big and pass the 200 character limit quite heavily so they will need to be shortened. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: Oops, my mistake. How much context can I leave out? ALT 3 is 209 characters. ALT 4 is 129.
ALT 3 "... that Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch represented a shift in Mormon history toward a "socially-accepted American cultural and religious heritage", according to historian Jennifer Reeder?"
ALT 4 "... that Songs and Flowers of the Wasatch includes a poem about Heavenly Mother?"
Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a drive-by comment but I feel that ALT 4 might not be appealing much to those unfamiliar with the LDS Church's beliefs, particularly about the Heavenly Mother. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Repeat Shoe

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5x expanded by Karnataka (talk) and Neutral Fan (talk). Nominated by Karnataka (talk) at 10:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Repeat Shoe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The article currently has a stub template, which needs to be addressed before approval. More importantly, the hook is not suitable per WP:DYKFICTION: hooks about works of fiction like movies need to have a real-world connection and not be about plot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1 seems a bit like synthesis since the article doesn't talk at all about the contrast between the title and the subject matter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The source does. If you think this hook is okay I will add the content into the article somehow. — Karnataka talk 19:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know, I don't think it's really that "hooky" if you ask me. It's common for movie titles to not explicitly be about the subject matter. Also, the source you gave also does not give the contrast either. It mentions the film is about trafficking but it doesn't contrast it with the title, which is what I meant by "synthesis" since the hook fact would be your own opinion/your own original research, which is a no-no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Plant

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Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by Cessaune (talk) at 03:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Plant (2nd nomination); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - see below
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Hiya. Review as follows: article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced neutral and plagiarism-free. Hook is cited, but I have no idea what is it saying, as a non-expert, and it seems that readers would be more likely to click on the genome article rather than the plant article. QPQ not needed. Pamzeis (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not an expert either in any way, but I figured it wasn't too technical. How should I change it? Cessaune [talk] 15:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some possible alternatives:
  • ALT1: ... that Aristotle classified living things based on whether they had a "sensitive soul" or like plants only a "vegetative soul"?
  • ALT2: ... that plants are the basis of a multibillion-dollar per year tourism industry?
Pamzeis (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cessaune: I like ALT1 - if you like it too I will take over this review and complete it as I don't think @Pamzeis: is allowed to approve a hook they thought of.Chidgk1 (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cessaune: Do you like ALT1? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 24[edit]

Wyethia amplexicaulis

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Field of Wyethia amplexicaulis in bloom
Field of Wyethia amplexicaulis in bloom
  • ... that the scenic fields of northern mule ears (Wyethia amplexicaulis) found in the western United States are sometimes a sign that an area has been overgrazed? Source: [1][2]
    • ALT1: ... that though northern mule ears (Wyethia amplexicaulis) is a modest sized wildflower its taproot can reach 1.8 meters (6 feet) into the ground? Source: [3]
    • Reviewed:

Created by MtBotany (talk). Self-nominated at 18:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wyethia amplexicaulis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Everything is good, but I don't think that the addition of both the generic and scientific name is neccessary, and it creates unnecessary clutter/adds length. The same thing could be accomplished by simply dropping the scientific name entirely. Also, I would only recommend that the image be used if the main nom goes through and not ALT1. Cessaune [talk] 02:48, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ Jankovsky-Jones, Mabel.; Jankovsky-Jones, Mabel; Murphy, Chris; Coulter, Cyndi; Moseley, Robert K. (2001). Riparian and Wetland Plant Associations of Southwestern Idaho : With a Focus on the Bureau of Land Management's Lower Snake River District. U.S. Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management, National Science and Technology Center, Information and Communications Group. pp. 167–168. Retrieved 23 August 2023.
  2. ^ Mueggler, W. F.; Campbell, Robert B. (1982). Aspen Community Types on the Caribou and Targhee National Forests in Southeastern Idaho. Ogden, Utah: U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, Forest Service, Intermountain Forest and Range Experiment Station. pp. 18–19.
  3. ^ Weaver, John Ernest (1917). A Study of the Vegetation of Southeastern Washington and Adjacent Idaho. Lincoln, Nebraska: University of Nebraska. pp. 106–107. Retrieved 23 August 2023.

Lindsey Halligan

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Created by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:CCC9:7E7B:26A9:1834 (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 19:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lindsey Halligan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The alt0 hook is kind of boring IMO (lawyer practices insurance and criminal law) and hides the key fact that makes her interesting. I'd suggest the following alt:
Cb162 - I wrote the original hook. I'm fine with either. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:41E3:B4CF:4CBB:9BA2 (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: The Daily Beast should be used with caution. Given that this is an BLP, and the sentences about the roof cases are sourced only to The Daily Beast, I think you should look for further sources that cover that information or consider removing it. Fox News is not reliable on politics, but links to a video used as the source of the quote about the jugular (which it does verify) so I'm fine with it. I'm not sure why that sentence about the jugular is also sourced to the Newsweek article, as I can't find the quote there? If you retain the sentences about the roof case, you should rephrase, as it lights up on Earwig as a bit too similar. Alt1 is definitely an improvement on the earlier ones. There's enough issues for me to mark this maybe, but nothing that's difficult to fix. DrThneed (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on August 25[edit]

Kessel Run

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Kessel Run logo
Kessel Run logo

Created by GRuban (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kessel Run; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 26[edit]

In Eutropium

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Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 19:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/In Eutropium; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - same grievance as above
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Graearms: Good article, but I feel as if the massive multi page references kind of hamper the article a bit. Just to take the hook for example, the hook is sourced to a page count of 16, making it hard to find the hook in the citation. So i'd prefer if more specific page numbers can be used for the citation. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: I edited the citations significantly. I added page numbers to one citation which previously lacked them, I specified the page numbers for one citation (previously it cited pages 33-54 when it really only cited page 36), I used the rp template to specify the page or pages being referenced each time one citation was used, and I added a reference by the hook in the article. These changes should address most of your concerns. Graearms (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I edited the citations a little bit more, now everything should have more specific page numbers. Graearms (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Graearms, Onegreatjoke, and Vaticidalprophet: I couldn't resolve some concerns I had about context and SYNTH, so I've pulled this nomination out of prep for now. Any ideas on resolving the questions? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: Sorry for the delayed response. I have made some edits to the article which should address some of your criticisms. Now the hook sentence in the article should have a reputable academic secondary source next to it. The source I used to find the information originally was not the poem itself, it was the cited secondary source from DeGruyter.
In the original source it was stated: "no testimony other than Claudian’s verses (Eutr. 1.254–271) tells us about a despicable triumph in Constantinople, where Eutropius is said to have acted like an old dame who travelled far to see her daughter-in-law (arida socrus / longinquam visura nurum, ll. 269–270)." Another quote from the source was: "Furthermore, after describing Eutropius’ “feminine” triumph in Constantinople." I stated in the article that Eutropius was criticized for holding an effeminate triumph due to the usage of the word "feminine" in the article.
If you would prefer an alternative hook that does not state that the criticism was exclusively based on perceived effeminacy I would suggest: * ALT1: ... that the Roman poem In Eutropium criticized the politician Eutropius for acting like an old dame during his triumph triumph? Source: Tougher, Shaun (2015-01-01), "Eunuchs in the East, Men in the West? Dis/unity, Gender and Orientalism in the Fourth Century", East and West in the Roman Empire of the Fourth Century, Brill, pp. 147–163, ISBN 978-90-04-29193-5, retrieved 2023-08-12 Graearms (talk) 22:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No Highs

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Created by PerfectSoundWhatever (talk). Self-nominated at 03:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/No Highs; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - Source provided is to allmusic.com at WP:RSN it is contentious whether all music is in fact a reliable source. Please provide a different reliable source
  • Interesting: Green tickY

QPQ: Red XN - Creator/nominator has 9 DYK credits and needs to provide QPQ for this nomination.
Overall: RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 01:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This source should work. Will post QPQ by today. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 22:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PerfectSoundWhatever: It's been over a week since the above comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry about that, now done: Template:Did you know nominations/Decarbonization of shipping. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PerfectSoundWhatever: The new source to verify the hook is good. QPQ has been done. Needs second reviewer to verify that nomination is good. Break a leg.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 21:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 27[edit]

Draken (roller coaster)

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Draken at Gyeongju World
Draken at Gyeongju World

Created by Prodraxis (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Draken (roller coaster); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • noting that the previous hook was ... that Draken (pictured) is the tallest, fastest and steepest roller coaster in South Korea?...has been changed since then, see below. Tails Wx 23:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Prodraxis, good work! Recently created, no copyvio issues, sufficient length, well-sourced, hook mentioned in article, QPQ not needed as stated above. The only issue I have is that Draken is tied with Giant Splash in Busan per the "steepest" source. Can the hook be changed to mention that? Tails Wx 22:33, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Tails Wx: I'd prefer not to add the bit about Giant Splash or the steepness because Giant Splash does not have an article yet (perhaps I can write it sometime later....) Normally in hooks like this Giant Splash would be wikilinked but I feel like it would be kinda... off not to wikilink Giant Splash and I don't want a redlink appearing on the main page either. What about
  • ... that Draken (pictured) is the tallest and fastest roller coaster in South Korea?

#prodraxis connect 22:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • We could also do:
  • ...that Draken (pictured) is the tallest, fastest, and tied for the steepest roller coaster in South Korea?

Tails Wx 22:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tails Wx and Prodraxis: Nice job on the hook. Now, the article needs to be updated to match the hook and the cited sources, or else it can't appear on the main page. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:43, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done Updated the article to include the bit about Giant Digger. #prodraxis connect 22:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle: @Tails Wx: Looks like this has stalled for a while..... #prodraxis connect 19:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2023 Chicago Marathon

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  • alt0: ... that the two second-fastest marathoners ever are scheduled to run in today's Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
  • alt0a: ... that both the second-fastest male marathoner ever and the second-fastest female marathoner ever are scheduled to run in today's Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    sources: 
       [1] https://archive.today/20230827231327/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a44632887/2023-chicago-marathon-full-fields/
    Chicago Marathon, to be held on October 8 ... defending champion Benson Kipruto of Kenya ... will be challenged by Kelvin Kiptum, also of Kenya, who is the second-fastest man in history. ... On the women's side [is] Ruth Chepngetich of Kenya, who just missed the world record at Chicago last year .... [links removed]
       [2] https://archive.today/20230827231305/https://www.worldathletics.org/news/report/chicago-marathon-2022-chepngetich-kipruto
    Chepngetich ... held on to finish in 2:14:18, the second-fastest time in history.
  • alt1: ... that one runner of today's Chicago Marathon will be the Chicago Marathon's millionth finisher? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    source: https://archive.today/20230827231342/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a42200126/chicago-marathon-field-2023/
    one of the 2023 participants will cross the finish line as the Chicago Marathon's significant one-millionth finisher
    • reviewed: hotel normandie (new york city)
    • comment:
      in alt0, the two runners being referred to are kelvin kiptum, the second fastest male marathoner ever, and ruth chepng'etich, the second fastest female marathoner ever. "the two second-fastest marathoners ever" is admittedly an unusual way to word this. i thought it was somewhat quirky and avoids a bit of redundancy, but have also added alt0a if the wording seems inappropriate. i think the two second-fastest wheelchair marathoners ever are also planning to compete, but i haven't found reliable sources to support this yet.
      also, i believe i have coded the hooks so that the tenses will correctly update during the day of the race. i believe the race is scheduled to start at 12:30 utc, so the winners are first runner is likely to finish sometime between 14:30 and 14:35. i don't know when exactly the millionth finisher will finish the race, but it looks like it will take around 90 minutes for everyone to start the race, and the average marathon finish time is around 04:30 (four and a half hours), so i am using a finish time estimate of 17:45. also, the code for the hooks should replace "today's" with "the 2023" once the day is over (where "2023" is part of the link text, and "the" is not).
      update: welp, it looks like tigst assefa just destroyed the world record last weekend at berlin, making alt0 and alt0a no longer true, so i am striking them. (i think this is probably the best reason i have ever had for striking a hook.) alt1 remains valid. also, i have since learned from this source that more than 960,000 runners have finished the chicago marathon so far, and more than 47,000 are scheduled to run this year, so am adjusting my estimated finish time of the millionth finisher to 18:45 utc, based on the results of runners who finished in the 15th percentile last year, as seen here.
      i have also updated the {{DYK date request}} template. if you approve of the date request, please replace "approved=no" with "approved=yes". you can also use the optional "approvedby" parameter if you wish.
      i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with the 2023 chicago marathon.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC). [copyedited and added quotes. dying (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck alt0 and alt0a, and updated alt1 and comments. dying (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

William Sharpington

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  • ... that William Sharpington and his workshop designed public lettering in post-war Britain? Source: Nash 2002: his "workshop produced some of the more distinguished examples of public lettering in the London area...boards for schools and immunisation clinics throughout Greater London", Nash/Fleuss p. 131 "produced, from the 40s to the 60s, some of the most distinguished public lettering in England" (can be viewed on Internet Archive with registration), The Art of Remembering, Michael Renton "studied lettering with William Sharpington (well-known for his brush lettering)", Oliver p. 916 "W. H. Sharpington who specializes in painted lettering of fine quality", also British Library "the 1939-45 parts [of the war memorial] are by W. H. Sharpington", Getty Images, 1951 "Mr W. Sharpington begins work on a memorial inscription at the Adelphi".

Created by Blythwood (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Sharpington; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Hi Blythwood (talk), nice article on an interesting subject, review follows: article created 27 August and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; I didn't pick up any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spot check on the sources I could access, Earwig only picks up an attributed quote; the hook fact is fine but is a little mundane, is there something else to be said? Perhaps a description of his "notably classical" style or the fact that much of his work is now lost? - Dumelow (talk) 21:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Without pinging, just to say that I'm still thinking through an alternative hook and should have a reply soon. Blythwood (talk) 00:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hi Dumelow, I've been thinking and decided that I'd prefer to keep the original hook if that's OK. My reasons are that I don't think there's a simple term for the style he worked in. ("Classical" nails the feel of timelessness his work was going for but isn't an real one-word summary, the Romans didn't use lower case, "neo-Renaissance" might be nearer the mark.) And going with the idea that much of his work is now lost for me makes the hook a bit depressing and like there's no point in looking at the article-plenty of his work survives and the article has photographs of it. I'd like to keep the original hook. Blythwood (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sam Solomon

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  • ... that a former Muslim has claimed that Muslim immigration is an Islamic strategy, based on the hijra? Source: Based on his book, implicit in the title Modern Day Trojan Horse: Al-Hijra, the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Accepting Freedom or Imposing Islam? Sources describing it [15], [16]
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Created by Thismess (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sam Solomon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

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Ophidascaris robertsi

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Created by Axl (talk). Nominated by Pamzeis (talk) at 11:58, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ophidascaris robertsi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • I'd like to suggest specifying that the worm was 8 centimeters long. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It should be clarified that the species is not a true worm in the biology sense (eg an Annelida), but a parasitic member of the roundworms (Nematoda)--Kevmin § 14:04, 3 September 2023 (UTC)