Talk:Zastava Arms

Fair use rationale for Image:Zastava Arms.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Zastava-Logo.jpg

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I'm preserving the material here by providing this link. My rationale was: "WP:CATALOG: excessive and promotional detail; rm red-linked entries". Please let me know if there are any concerns. --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding diff; my rationale was: "collapse those that are not stand-alone articles or other brands; unneeded table treatment; self-cited pop culture trivia". --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I do not see reason that all material should be removed as all is not something trivial and it is mostly based on sources. Your action to delete all It is not within WP:CATALOG scope and you have deleted most tables that had good information's and are better way for comparing products. Tables are good way to organize information in article. Instead you could have reorganized tables and search for sources if not found or leave remarks about lack of source. Using your judging and criteria I could delete half of Wikipedia. It is easy to delete but is hard to contribute. Loesorion (talk) 21:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

You again use some personal rationale to delete tables without any valid explanation, in same time you have provided content in short description that does not matches reality and there is a missing relevant products. Please restrain yourself to edit pages on way you like to see and think about broader approach and how data could be organized for article readers not editors to better understand it and easy to read it. Someone was having great time - not me - to make tables in this article and to give short descriptions and you just deleted them all and you have not provided any useful content at all. If you want to edit this page how about starting to add relevant content instead deleting sourced material and deleting tables just because you don't like it it does not mean they should be deleted. Products description and names should match producers names that article is about and where is rationale behind using other producers names like SKS#Variants? This is not article about SKS but about Zastava Arms. Loesorion (talk) 13:45, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Coffman is not acting in bad faith, and his view is valid to a certain extent. The point is that this is an encyclopedia and we should follow encyclopedic style. Similar situation happened in articles about airlines where the detailed information about destinations was removed and cerated a separate article where they are listed. I see some parallel here. The intention is to have a parent article of the company which would be encyclopedically written in prose majoritarly (instead of listing all products, we should write in prose which products were the most important for the brand in certain periods and so...) and making a separate article named something like List of Zastava Arms products where all products would be listed. FkpCascais (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I would like to believe in that(not acting in bad faith), and I am not judging him as a person here but as editor. He could first made such article List of Zastava Arms products or propose some changes here in Talk and consult and wait for others opinion before such massive deletion without making accurate alternative or ask some editors for help with that if he cannot accomplish and then after we have made something better then remove some parts of this article. Right now we have some main Zastava arms products missing and some products named not accordingly Zastava Arms nomenclature and some in wrong categories and products without their original names associated with other articles. Tables could help in having some short and interesting notices about products and help in maintaining encyclopedic accuracy, right now is a mess and I and probably other editors cannot go clearing up after such edits every time and create new and more accurate entry every time just because other editors did not do anything but delete. I agree that it could be done better but it was not done in such a manner and as I sad previously it easy to delete such amount of other people's hard work(not mine) without making any alternative and in same time losing encyclopedia accuracy with new shorter article descriptions. In end I hope we can work together to make better of this article and include all valid points and observations from Talk including maybe FkpCascais idea for List of Zastava Arms products how to solve this situation.Loesorion (talk) 21:59, 13 May 2018 (UTC)