Talk:World's Largest Stove

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Former good articleWorld's Largest Stove was one of the Art and architecture good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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April 12, 2020Good article nomineeListed
February 26, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 31, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Michigan Stove Company, started by Jeremiah Dwyer, made the World's Largest Stove (pictured), a 15-ton replica conceived by George H. Barbour and designed by William J. Keep?
Current status: Delisted good article


Infobox[edit]

Might there be a helpful infobox? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 09:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Infobox

  • This should probably include the dimensions of the stove.
 Done - added. Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • This should say where the stove was displayed after the fair.
 Done - expanded lead accordingly. Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Origin and design

  • The company, which was started by Jeremiah Dwyer, — When?
 Done - in 1872.Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The company ... had the company build the replica. — Something needs fixing here.
 Done - copy edited accordingly. Doug Coldwell (talk)
  • The company's vice president George Harrison Barbour was appointed to the national commission board of the World's Fair — Is there any further information about what Barbour's role was?
 Done - No! I have done extensive research on him and created this Good Article biography, but none of the many sources say what role he played as a member of the national commission of the World's Fair at Chicago in 1893. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sides were painted to look like one of the company's metal kitchen ranges. — Can you add a description of the actual decorations? The picture is valuable, but there should be a written description too.
 Done - copy edited accordingly. Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is the sketch from?
 Done - copy edited caption to show it was the 1893 Chicago World's Fair brochure sketch.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:35, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Currently there's exceedingly little about the stove at the World's Fair, and nothing about its reception. Surely there are news articles discussing this?
 Done - second paragraph of section "Orgin and design" describes Michigan Stove Company's exhibit at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair that displayed the World's Largest Stove. I have a subscription to Newspapers.com and have used many news clips for references, however there is nothing that discusses its reception for the year range 1893-2020. I use news clips extensively in all my Did You Know articles and all my Good Articles - but in this case there is nothing of the reception of the World's Largest Stove at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Return to Michigan

  • Between 1957 and 1965, Schaefer Bakeries leased the stove and used it to advertise its bread. — How did they use it for advertising?
 Done - no book sources or newspapers or webpages say how Schaefer Bakerie used the World's Largest Stove in it advertising of bread.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph covers two or three major events in four short sentences. Surely there is more information about each.
 Done - see next issue.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:25, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration

  • In the early 1990s, interest in restoring the replica stove grew; former state fair manager John C. Hertel led the restoration project. — This jumps from there being interest to a project being well underway. What happened in the middle?
 Done - Redesigned article with new section of Michigan State Fairgrounds, where I placed all pertinent history.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:25, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The stove replica represented Detroit's nineteenth-century prominence as a center for metalwork and foundries. The city was known in the late 1800s and early 1900s as the World's Stove Capital. — These two sentences stick out in a paragraph that otherwise talks about only the stove's unveiling and environment. The first could be a part of a new paragraph that talks about the stove's significance; undoubtedly there are articles discussing it (not to mention the governor's speech). The second could perhaps go in such a paragraph, but it really looks like it belongs in the background section instead.
 Done - placed these sentences in a new paragraph about Detroit industrial landmark.--Doug Coldwell (talk)
  • By 2009 budget cuts had eliminated Michigan's state fair, and a new home for the replica stove was sought. — What happened between 2009 and 2011?
 Done - added but never found to Demise section. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Images

  • None of the images have alt text.
 Done Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

  • Interesting article, Doug Coldwell. It's nicely organized, although it seems a bit on the shorter side, and I wonder if there might be some more information that can be found about it. Also, there's not much about reactions to the stove—both at the original fair, and as a symbol of Detroit that grew with time—and it would be nice if some could be worked in. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:25, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done - see last paragraph of Michigan State Fairgrounds. Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Usernameunique: - addressed all issues. Can you take a look at it again now. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Doug Coldwell, it looks generally good to me. You might add information about the Detroit Stove Restoration Committee, however (see 1974 Detroit Free Press article), which shows that interest in restoring the stove was alive and well at least two decades before the 1990s. Also, Minnis 2010 discusses how the stove was repainted to specifically advertise the Detroit-Michigan Stove Company. Once those are added, I think that will suffice for the purposes of a good article nomination, which requires coverage of only "the main aspects of the topic," and specifically eschews "comprehensiveness." But if you're interested, I think you'll find more details out there; a few sources you that might give you some further leads to track down are here (not a reliable source, but has some info on the bread company you could look into) and here (lots of great images; for some reason some of them don't display in the article for me, but the URLs are available if you right click and view the page source: e.g., here). You would also probably find a lot of good information in this report (referenced in the 1974 Detroit Free Press article), which you might try to find once libraries are again open. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Working --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:02, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Usernameunique:  Done - Thanks for the many clues. I did additional work on the article. I'll research more once libraries reopen. Meanwhile can you take another look at the article to see if it qualifies for GA status. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Doug Coldwell. Passing this now. Let me know if you end up tracking down that report, I'd be interested to know if it adds anything noteworthy. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Usernameunique: Will do! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment[edit]

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:37, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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