Talk:Uka (singer)

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Requested move 9 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: There's no consensus regarding the singer article, but there is clear consensus to move the village article. The base title will therefore lead to the disambiguation page due to lack of a clear primary topic at this time. (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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• Uka (singer) → Uka
• Uka → Uka (village)

– The singer seems to be the primary topic for "Uka". According to the article, the village has been uninhabited for over 40 years, so there's unlikely to a be a lot of people interested in it. The singer, on the other hand, is apparently the most popular Mongolian musician at the moment. Pageview statistics show that the singer's page gets around 40 times as many views as the village. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 12:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Jerm (talk) 04:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose first, support second Uka (the singer) appears to be referred to in all caps fairly often. UKA (disambiguation) should move to Uka instead. UKA should move to UKA (festival) and UKA redirect there._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that "UKA" is more common than "Uka" for the singer. On Facebook, Apple Music, Pandora, and YouTube she is "Uka" whereas on Instagram, Spotify, and Amazon Music list her as "UKA". Given that it's not clearly more common, it seems reasonable to keep the Norwegian festival at UKA, and have the non-stylized "Uka" be the singer. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 15:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

The point isn't that it's more common or that it's the primary topic for UKA, just that it's a possible search target and that both should be disambiguated._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah I see what you're saying. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 18:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• Yes consider disambiguation if in doubt, otherwise I support this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:44, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose first, support second: The "uka is" test immediately shows that UKA needs to be moved to UKA (festival). And UKA (disambiguation) should move to Uka instead. The Mongolian singer is not Primary by a long stretch. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Expanding my argument a bit in light of In ictu oculi and ZXCVBNM's points: it seems clear to me that the singer is not the primary topic for UKA in all-caps. In ictu oculi's google book search seems to show the primary topic for UKA may be "unicompartmental knee arthroplasty". However, when not in all caps, is there any term that rivals the Mongolian singer? Looking through the google books results, it appears that their non-acronym usages of "uka" are transliterations of foreign-language words. Per WP:DIFFCAPS I would argue that "Uka (singer)" should be moved to "Uka" and the page should be given a hatnote to a disambiguation page "UKA". Uka and UKA seem sufficiently different to differentiate the topics. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 14:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

The reason that won't work is that 3-letter dab pages have to be at non-caps by default. What is your objection to (singer), that is only helping readers find the singer? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that anywhere in the MoS. Did I miss something? Looking at several examples of 3-letter DABs I don't see any consistency one way or the other. For example Mat (disambiguation) is non-caps, ARG is caps, BAT and Bat (disambiguation) are separate disambiguation pages. Based on my reading of the MoS, and the fact that no other non-acronym "Uka" is close to the level of search interest, its pretty clear-cut to me. I guess if you're wondering why I care, I'm just a little salty about searching for the singer and finding that she wasn't even linked on the dab page 3 weeks ago. That's fixed now, thankfully, but that doesn't change the MoS. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 12:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It is at WP:DABNAME "A word is preferred to an abbreviation, for example Arm (disambiguation) over ARM." In ictu oculi (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Get UKA done first

• @Ashorocetus: @Crouch, Swale: @Zxcvbnm: as all four of us seem to agree that UKA (festival) isn't primary for UKA, can we get that out of the way first. Any objections? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No objection. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 11:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree too, the singer gets 2,109 views compared to only 129 for the festival[[1]] plus the acronym is used by several other topics. However Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Moves of other pages if this is controversial this should be relisted with a note on that page's talk. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems we can also agree that the abandoned Russian village is not the primary topic for Uka. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 13:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.