Talk:LMS Stanier Class 8F

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Suggestion for further expansion of this article[edit]

The 8Fs get very complicated (I can provide a citation for that if necessary). We already have a few articles, but I propose the following

  • Stanier Class 8F on the type as a whole, explaining the differences between LMS and WD engines, listing in tables how they were built and eventually disposed of, with links to individual sub articles.
  • LMS Stanier Class 8F to include:
    1. Engines built by the LMS
    2. Engines built to WD orders but taken into LMS stock
    3. Engines Requisitioned by the WD from the LMS (withdrawn from LMS stock and taken into WD stock)
    4. Those built to Railway Executive Committee order and officially taken into LMS stock, but some of those were then loaned to other railways.
    5. ex-LNER Class O6 taken into stock by the LMS
    6. locomotives acquired by British Railways directly from the WD in 1948 and 1957.
  • WD Stanier Class 8F on the engines in WD stock (Tourret),
  • LNER Class O6 on those built by the LNER but quickly withdrawn from LNER stock as they got LNER Class O7 Austerity 2-8-0s instead.
  • TCDD 45151 Class - the Turkish engines
  • FS Class 737 - the Italian engines
  • Other foreign classes, especially Persian Railways Class 41 (as they were) and others. My knowledge is less good about these foreign classes. They were used mostly in Persia after the Anglo-Soviet invasion to supply Russia.
  • Plus articles on the individual preserved 8Fs.

If anyone wants to comment on these changes or make suggestions, then please feel free.

The main references that will need to be cited are (sorry can't remember volumes off the top of my head):

  • Pat Rowledge Engines of the LMS Built 1923-51
  • Essery & Jenkinson; Illustrated Review of LMS locomotives vol () LMS standard classes
  • Hunt, Essery, et al. LMS Locomotive Profiles
  • Tourret Allied Military Locomotives of the Second World War
  • Willie Yeadon, Yeadon's Register Vol (). (Austerity Classes)

If anyone has any further suggestions for references, then please --Tony May (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

48518's location[edit]

Would anyone say that No. 48518's is now at the East Lancashire Railway as its frames (minus wheels and cylinders) are now here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DelinquentRoadHazards (talk • contribs) 20:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean?[edit]

Under the "Preservation" section:

Eleven 8Fs, with an eighth member of the class been repatriated from Turkey.

That's obviously been garbled somewhere, but I don't know how to fix it. 86.136.249.153 (talk) 22:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to have begun with this edit, which was muddied with this edit. Two rows concerning alleged repatriations of WD no. 522 (which already had its own row) were added with this edit, but these are unsourced, so I've removed them again. Thus, I think that the "eleven" refers to the total number known to exist, not the number preserved, and that the "seven" refers to the number of preserved locos which actually ran in BR service. The "eighth member" would be LMS 8274/WD 348. I have tried to clarify that with this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2020[edit]

Unlock it on August 15th 2020 there are 775 LMS 8F's built not 852 rewrite it please . 2A00:23C6:B505:5800:8D:A535:CFB1:7124 (talk) 08:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2020[edit]

2A00:23C6:B505:5800:31A7:123C:A5BB:F255 (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Look I know I edited it but it's because you made a mistake you can unlock it on August 20th I will give you time to think ok you are not to blame it's only an accident ok

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 20:26, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quantity built[edit]

An anonymous user (who uses several different IP addresses) has made several attempts on and since 31 July 2020 to alter the quantity built. The figure shown in the article in its present protected state is 852, and this is corroborated by at least four separate sources from reliable (or highly reliable) publishers:

  • Cook, A.F. (1990). Greenwood, William (ed.). LMS Locomotive Design and Construction. Lincoln: RCTS. p. 88. ISBN 0-901115-71-1.
  • Haresnape, Brian (May 1981) [1970]. Stanier Locomotives: A Pictorial History. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 62. ISBN 0-7110-1098-6. EX/0581.
  • Hunt, David; Jennison, John; James, Fred; Essery, R.J. (2005). LMS Locomotive Profiles, no. 8 - The Class 8F 2-8-0s. Didcot: Wild Swan. p. 3. ISBN 1-905184-08-5.
  • Rowledge, J.W.P. (1975). Engines of the LMS built 1923-51. Oxford: Oxford Publishing Co. p. 28. ISBN 0-902888-59-5.

All four of these explicitly state the quantity built as 852, so I would like to know how the IPs have arrived at the figure of 775. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, I'll break down the 852 into four groups, based upon the information in the above four books:

Construction of LMS Stanier Class 8F
Organisation Numbers Quantity Total
London, Midland and Scottish Railway 8000-8225 226
8301-8399 99
8490-8495 6
LMS total 331
War Department 300-449 150
500-524 25
540-571 32
623 1
War Dept total 208
Railway Executive Committee 8400-8479 80
8500-8559 60
8600-8704 105
REC total 245
London and North Eastern Railway 7651-7675 25
3125-3167 43
LNER total 68
Grand total 852

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2020[edit]

Your fired for 80 years 2A00:23C6:B505:5800:506C:F8F7:C8C6:58DF (talk) 10:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You need to address the question which I posed in the section immediately above, or stop wasting time. Your repeated rants will not help your case one bit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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