Wikipedia talk:Wiki Loves Pride

Press page updates?

I like the Press page we have for this, though see it has not been updated in some time. Does anybody know if there were Press stories that could be added for the recent years and were just missed, or was there really no press at all? --- FULBERT (talk) 17:30, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@FULBERT: The first page of Google news for 'Wiki loves pride' brings up 2019 and 2020 articles, so there's probably more coverage. Kingsif (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Kingsif, Agreed; this may be a project for somebody who wants to contribute. I will bring this up in this week's LGBT+ User Group meeting. Thanks. --- FULBERT (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Flag transgender biography created this month

Crossposted with Women in Red

I've tagged Erica Rutherford, an article about a transgender woman, for tone. I left a message for its creator, too: it was created as part of WiR, by a regular of the project. This is because it uses male pronouns throughout, as well as language generally seen as transphobic (e.g. "Eric decided to have transsexual surgery"). It's pretty bad. Kingsif (talk) 04:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

As a creator of the article I want to say that I had no intention to insult anyone, I am not any type of phobic. Best, Less Unless (talk) 11:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Less Unless: All I can say to this is that it may not be your intention, but if you don't know that certain language is perceived as harmful, you've got to accept your mistake and learn from it. Kingsif (talk) 12:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

WMF fundraising in the name of this campaign

For example, Women in Red, Art+Feminism, WikiGap, Wiki Loves Women, and #VisibleWikiWomen work to strengthen coverage by and about women on Wikimedia projects, often with an emphasis on women who are Black, Indigenous, or people of color. Groups such as Black Lunch Table and AfroCrowd focus on adding knowledge about Black history and people of African descent to our projects. Wiki Loves Pride is a global campaign to expand and improve LGBTQI+ content online.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/our-work/open-the-knowledge/#a2-support-current-work

Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy Wikipride 2022 everybody!

• 
  Montage of LGBT+ Wikimedia characters, assembled by Dronebogus
• 
  Wikipe-tan in Pride regalia by Dronebogus
• 
  Wikipe-tan in Pride regalia by Di (they-them)

To mark the beginning of WLP22, I created a couple of images celebrating LGBT+ representation in Wikimedia’s original characters! Dronebogus (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I like the banner but don't like the sexualizing of Wikipe-tan. I think this is unnecessary and inappropriate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, to be honest Wikipe-tan has been sexualized from the very beginning, and plenty of LGBT pride events feature people wearing even less clothing. Overt sexuality is a normal part of Pride and LGBT culture. There’s a less sexy Pride Wikipe-tan by user:Di (they-them) if you prefer. Dronebogus (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I added Di's pic to the gallery for easy reference. I agree that part of Pride is pride of overt sexuality, although it's not the whole of it; after all, ace people (asexual, asensual, and/or aromantic) are part of QUILTBAGS and also take public pride in themselves.

But I think part of the evolution of depictions of Wikipe-tan over the years is a transition from simple mascot (representing the entirety of the Wikimedia movement, or anyway the Wikipedia part of it; an impossible task without glossing over all nuance) to a more complex character in her own right. I think it's healthy to say that a given depiction doesn't have to reflect on all Wikimedians, and other representations of Wikipedia are possible (and desirable!) beyond Wikipe-tan. So I agree with Liz that the banner image you assembled depicts that diversity well (and celebration of diversity is what the multi-colour pride flag stands for, after all), at least given the relative paucity of Wikimedia-connected characters one has to work with. Arlo James Barnes 03:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Everything you said is exactly what I intended. Dronebogus (talk) 03:57, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

• I’ve also uploaded a new version https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wikipe-tan_Loves_Pride%21.png Dronebogus (talk) 09:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Credit to contributors?

In 2019 the results page gave credit to contributors as seen at Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Pride/2019/Results#Articles.

The past two years there has been no credit, as in the list at Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Pride/2021#Articles.

I am not sure that listing user's names next to article titles is the best course of action, but I would like to credit contributors. Is there a good way to do this? Also does having one's name listed on this page attract trouble...? I get mean anti-gay comments sometimes for wiki activities but I am not sure this project is the reason. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Maybe instead of listing them for every single article, you could just list the contributors somewhere else, just in a contributors list? That's my thought on it, as the pages I edit over time can be relatively fluid... while some like Nomad of Nowhere literally almost no one edits but me, lol.--Historyday01 (talk) 00:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Story about an insect and a biography

Wikipedia already had an article for the ant Strumigenys ayersthey. "Ayers they" referred to Jeremy Ayers, whose article did not yet exist, and who was an artist and activist who used they pronouns.

Someone did inappropriate editing to erase sources, name, and story as I noted at meta Wikimedia LGBT+. Those edits came to be a challenge to make things better. Credit could go to the person who flagged the change, people who discussed it, and other people who contributed. I will name and credit 28bytes now because this user actually researched and wrote tthe Ayers biography, and because that user has experience taking care of themselves in wiki when there is trouble around.

I wanted to share this as an early story of progress for Wiki Loves Pride 2022. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipride gif

This is used on the main page and, er, I have never seen a pride flag with a dog paw on it before and, you know, I am open-minded but I think I would rather not know why it is in the mix of pride flags for the gif and ask that someone who can edit the gif remove it. Ping @Another Believer: as an active user who might be able to. Kingsif (talk) 19:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif I don't understand. Why would you rather not know why a paw is included? Aren't you a curious person? You might learn a thing or two here. Proceed with caution, you might like what you see... who knows! You're tempting me to create Animals in LGBT culture. I'm not interested in attempting to remove the paw from the gif, at least not without understanding how inclusion is potentially inappropriate or offensive. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Update: I've created Animals in LGBT culture. Improvements welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Another Believer: In my really-not-limited knowledge, pride flags represent sexualities, and not subcultures. If an extension of what pride flags are being used to show is happening, then why only one kind of gay subculture has got a flag is another question - using more of them might signal there are flags for identities that aren't sexual, which would mitigate the inclusion. But the common understanding is that "who one is attracted to" is how the flags are read, and a generic paw is rife for misreadings which are really more obvious than the reality is. What makes it really bad is the long history that zoophiles, pedophiles, predators, etc. have of claiming that their proclivities are equivalent to homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, etc. in order to avoid persecution, which instead just makes other people associate queerness with perversion. The gif looks like this project supports that kind of message. I really didn't think I would need to spell it out; that whatever the truth is, that is not what it looks like to, I confidently say, most people. And, you know, the gif doesn't offer a link as explanation, either. Kingsif (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I’m somewhat disappointed that someone would assume it likely represented distasteful things Dronebogus (talk) 23:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

See above: the flags are expected to represent sexual interests, so what is an obvious reading? The only things I could think of, and I tried to come up with a decent explanation, was the zoophilia or maybe furries. Kingsif (talk) 15:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Catherine Gonnard

@Another Believer noticed this deletion thanks to your edit of the page. Regardless of the socking affecting the prior, she's deserving of an article so I kick started a stub. Can someone who is better with Talk pages and categories give it a little love? Thanks! Star Mississippi 14:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I've added a few categories. Thanks for the stub creation! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

and thanks for all the tagging. I got pretty decent with the bars after working through the Lesbian Bar Project list but didn't have a good template to work off of for a bio. Star Mississippi 14:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Ooh, I don't know French, but the French article for her has 13 sources and bunch of publications listed, if that helps, along with using this image from Wikimedia Commons. Same with the Portuguese language page (a little shorter) and the stub page in Arabic. Historyday01 (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh fabulous. I can probably muddle my way through the French. Thanks for flagging. Star Mississippi 15:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure! Historyday01 (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Stupid question. I tried to use your edits as a guide to interwiki link to the French article, but instead it removed the text and bolded what was left. Is it the italics? Thanks. Star Mississippi 16:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Figured it out! Its a bit tricky, but you have to use a specific template, as I noted in one of my edits on there. Strangely it is different in a comment here than in the article, the formatting is different. Historyday01 (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

So convoluted. Now saving your edit in my "list of things I do infrequently and always forget how!' file. Star Mississippi 19:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Awaiting draft approval of a queer poet

Created Draft:Aditya Tiwari which is awaiting approval, please help approve/improve this topic. Plushwiki21 (talk) 22:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Good article nomination: Cherry Valentine

Last call for improvements to Cherry Valentine ahead of Good article nomination.

Or, any watchers interested in reviewing? Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki99 - new technology, LGBT+ as pilot

As a community we have limited resources to develop articles. Wikipedia is multilingual, and when there are important articles, we translate them across languages. How do we prioritize?

Check this out - technology, a concept, and community organizing infrastructure:

• meta:Wiki99/LGBT+

Pick ~99 articles, then prioritize them for translation and development. Wiki Loves Pride is a major inspiration for this. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresh Fruit Festival

There's an open AfD that might be of interest to editors watching this page. (Why isn't there an LGBTQ+ delsort?) Star Mississippi 15:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd looked for an appropriate delsort. :( - UtherSRG (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh to be clear, not questioning your actions at all @UtherSRG. I'm pretty sure I've made the same comment at prior LGBTQ+ related discussions. It just seems an obvious one that should exist, but we can't tag for what doesn't exist. Star Mississippi 17:12, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't taking it as criticism. I agree there should be one. How do we get one? - UtherSRG (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but @Spiderone is the person I know who is most familiar with del sorts. Any insight? Thanks both! Star Mississippi 00:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@UtherSRG: @Star Mississippi: The closest one is the 'sexuality and gender' delsort but that covers a wide spectrum. Did you want me to create a more specific LGBTQ+ one? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe. The existing delsort is wide, but it works for this AFD as it is in the 'culture' set of delsorts, though I'm not sure that matters. I'm trying to think of an LGBTQ+ topic that wouldn't fall under this delsort and I'm coming up short. Adding an LGBTQ+ delsort would probably mean that folks interested in such monitoring would be watching that *and* the existing sexuality and gender delsort... - UtherSRG (talk) 11:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks both!

I feel like sexuality and gender works (and thanks for flagging its existence, @Spiderone!) It just seemed odd at first but I guess it matches the tree. We have New York delsort, not New Yorkers. Star Mississippi 12:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Invitation template

I have created an template to invite editors to the campaign, located at Template:Wiki Loves Pride invite. Please have a look at it & suggest any changes here. Peaceray (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Moby Dyke

Anyone familiar with book articles? Was surprised this didn't exist so got it started . There's extensive sourcing, unfortunately much is interviews with Burton. Thanks either way! Star Mississippi 02:42, 8 February 2024 (UTC)