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RfC on List of tallest buildings in the United Kingdom[edit]

Hi, I've requested comment on List of tallest buildings in the United Kingdom regarding a dispute about different definitions being used determine which city a tall building is located.

See RfC about the use of different definitions of a city

ChiZeroOne (talk) 18:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Standardizing the definition of skyscraper[edit]

Hi. I recently went to answer this edit request at List of cities with the most skyscrapers, and found that there is some disagreement over what constitutes a skyscraper for purposes of being counted on that list.

TL;DR: I propose the following "official" definition of skyscraper to be used across all Wikipedia articles unless there is some compelling reason otherwise: A skyscraper is defined as a continuously habitable high-rise building that has at least 40 floors and is at least 150 m (492 ft) in height, including spires and other architectural details, but not including antenna masts.

The 40/150 criteria are found in multiple RS, but there's no clear consensus as to whether it's 40 or more and 150 or more vs. at least 40 and at least 150, etc. However, in the List of tallest buildings in Mumbai article, there are 38 out of 234 buildings that are exactly 150 meters tall and have at least 40 floors--making it almost seem like architects are designing buildings to meet the minimum definition of a skyscraper. I would rather include than exclude them.

I did review the talk archives before posting this and found no such prior proposal, but I do apologize if this is considered a perennial question.

The list of cities article gives the definition, A skyscraper is defined as a continuously habitable high-rise building that has over 40 floors[1] and is taller than approximately 150 m (492 ft).[2] Ref 1 is Britannica, which says The term skyscraper originally applied to buildings of 10 to 20 stories, but by the late 20th century the term was used to describe high-rise buildings of unusual height, generally greater than 40 or 50 stories. Nothing about 150 m. Cite [2] is a book The Visual Dictionary of Architecture p. 233, but wouldn't you know, p. 232 and 234 are in the preview but not 233. I suspect it only gives a 150 m criterion, in which case we have a synth problem.

The Wikipedia article Skyscraper says in the lede, A skyscraper is a tall, continuously habitable building having multiple floors. Modern sources currently define skyscrapers as being at least 100 meters (330 ft)1 or 150 meters (490 ft)2 in height, though there is no universally accepted definition, other than being very tall high-rise buildings. Article text is true to both cites, and neither of them contain a minimum floors criterion.

Under the Definitions section of the same article we find, Different organizations from the United States and Europe define skyscrapers as buildings at least 150 meters in height or taller 11612

  • Ref 11 says, Once built it will be the seventh tallest building on the estate and their eleventh proper skyscraper, that is by definition buildings above 150 metres.
  • Ref 6 says, As a general rule, a building must be at least 150 metres high to qualify as a skyscraper.
  • Ref 12 (also used in the lede) says, A skyscraper is defined on Emporis as a multi-story building whose architectural height is at least 100 meters. This definition falls midway between many common definitions worldwide, and is intended as a metric compromise which can be applied across the board worldwide.

In sum, none of the citations I've found on Wikipedia support a 40 floor criterion, so I specifically searched for "skyscraper 150 meters 40 floors" and here's what I got:

  • Top 12 Tallest Buildings in India Sep 14, 2022 A skyscraper is a building of a greater height of 150 meters (492 feet) plus, and has at least 40 floors. Can you guess which Indian city has the maximum number of skyscrapers? If you thought Mumbai, then you are bang on! Mumbai has about 74 skyscrapers, and these include some of the tallest buildings in India.
  • 10 Tallest Skyscrapers In The United States You Definitely Must See (undated, blog) Today, a skyscraper generally describes a building that is 40 stories tall or more and/or measures 150 meters, or 492 feet in height.
  • 20 Cities with the Most Skyscrapers in the World September 24, 2020 According to its modern definition, a skyscraper should be at least 150 meters (492 ft) tall, and constantly habitable with a minimum of 40 floors.
  • Get ready for more and taller skyscrapers August 20, 2018 For this research, Auerbach and Wan consider buildings more than 150 meters “tall.” There are 3,251 such skyscrapers in 258 cities around the world. The researchers first characterize historical patterns the height of skyscrapers and the numbers built. It turns out the number of skyscrapers built each year has followed a remarkably stable pattern. “The number of skyscrapers exceeding 150 meters and 40 floors has risen eight percent each year since 1950,” say Auerbach and Wan.
  • Height of the world's tallest skyscrapers as of 2023 (Statista) Mar 27, 2023 The requirements that a building needs to meet in order to be considered a skyscraper have changed across time, and they might also slightly differ from place to place. However, a skyscraper is generally defined as a building that is comprised of over 40 floors and is over 150 meters taller.

Xan747 (talk) 20:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

7 World Trade Center featured article review[edit]

I have nominated 7 World Trade Center for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hudson's Bay Centre#Requested move 26 December 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 18:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]