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A selection of October's to December's new and good articles...

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Image requests[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List here any articles for which you would like an image or any current images which could use cleanup or improvement.

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is an initiative to improve WikiProjects and other subject-area collaborations on Wikipedia through research, design, and experimentation. The archive of their past newsletters is here. The WikiProject X coordinator is Harej. – Voceditenore (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Free subscriptions to databases[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 07:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Opera articles: Recordings - which to exclude?[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As there has been no further discussion on this since early December 2010, I've archived this here. But this is a topic we may want to revisit at some point, re expanding/clarifying the current article guidelines. Voceditenore (talk) 08:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The latest discussion (January 2014) is archived here. – Voceditenore (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greetings from the German language Opera Project[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, just wanted to say Hi! from the German language Opera Project. We started in the beginning of 2011, a very recent effort compared to you. Likewise, our average articles on operas, composers etc. are quite behind the en:WP in terms of coverage and content. Which is a shame, considering the richness of opera life in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. We have started by focussing on the widely read articles on popular operas, see this List, which gives page impressions in de:WP and en:WP and also global number of productions per year as a proxy for popularity. The rationale is this: given our low number of contributors, having 20 formerly poor articles on popular operas turned into solid works is worth more then 20 more articles on arcane subjects. How did you go about growing your project? PS: Maybe there could be some areas of cooperation, especially as regards access to and understanding of German language sources and literature. Let me know what you think. --Non mi tradir (talk) 16:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have introduced this timely proposal to the discussion here. --Smerus 20:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
One of the reasons can be found in the people who worked on this project years ago. Back around 2005-2006, there was an opera fan who took on a personal mission to improve opera in en.WP. This is User:Kleinzach. It's not only that he improved articles. He was an excellent promoter of the cause, enlisting a number of people from the email list OPERA-L, who, along with him, abridged their email participation because they felt that contributing to WP was a better cause. He was very helpful and encouraging to those who wanted to help. These people in turn took off on their own. (He inspired me to create a WP account back in 2006, though I didn't contribute to WP:OPERA back then). As I have often remarked on Wikipedia, it's not just about adding information - it's about creating and maintaining a social environment that makes people want to contribute. - kosboot (talk) 18:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles needing libretto links[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note that for now some of the Rossini librettos can still be accessed from the list on this page on Karadar, but it will require adding those new links to the articles, and I'm not sure how long it will be before Karadar closes that loop hole. Anyhow, here's the list of operas so far where I've removed dead links and there is currently no other alternative. It's also possible to recover some of the karadar links via the Wayback machine, as was done at L'éclair, although it's a bit fiddly. If you add a new link, just strike through the opera name(s) below. Voceditenore (talk) 16:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help! Does anyone know how to access Karadar these days? It appears to be a dead link - and I've tried to get into it via a couple of ways. Viva-Verdi (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Viva-Verdi. It appears to have disappeared in all its guises–.com, .org. and .it. I have a feeling they ran into copyright problems with some of their stuff. It's not showing up on Google searches at all and see this wacky note. I have found this other site which has links to zillions of libretti. Hopefully, you'll find the one(s) you're looking for. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
List

Le domino noir (only score found), Sigurd (opera), Ciro in Babilonia, Sigismondo, Ricciardo e Zoraide, Eduardo e Cristina, L'equivoco stravagante, I Capuleti e i Montecchi, Médée (Charpentier), Emilia di Liverpool, Francesca di Foix, Il signor Bruschino

Requested opera templates[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 120. Voceditenore (talk) 09:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Place new requests here. Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Almanacco Amadeus – Che disastro![edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's disappeared again. All links now redirect to this site. I'm keeping an eye out to see if the almanacco re-surfaces, but so far it's nowhere to be found on the new site. Grrrr! Voceditenore (talk) 15:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's finally available again: almanac-gherardo-casaglia.com. --Rodomonte (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I attempted to adapt Template:Almanacco to the new URL and its parameters; it seems to work. Lamentably, I discovered only later that Rodomonte had already modified de:Vorlage:Almanacco similarly – that template hadn't been linked to the EN template via interwiki links (now corrected). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks so much for that, Rodomonte and Michael! Not only for the good news but for fixing the template too. Brilliant! Voceditenore (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Many new illustrations from Ricordi now available[edit]

As part of the GLAM project with the Ricordi Archive, the most important historical archive in Italy about music, we have just uploaded hundreds of new quality images: photos and portraits of musicians, sketches, drawings, illustrations of operas. Many Wikipedia articles will finally have an illustration! You can find all images in Commons:Category:Media from Archivio Storico Ricordi‎ (here divided by category). Thank you in advance. --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank YOU, Marco. What a treasure trove! Voceditenore (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks great and promising! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, many thanks for all these great images! Have added some of them to articles already.Smeat75 (talk) 20:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Marco Chemello (WMIT): Are there any images the Ricordi Archive would like a restoration done of? I'd be delighted to do a few in thanks. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 04:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the meantime, File:Giacomo Puccini (1924) - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO003293 - Restoration.jpg. Would have liked more resolution on that - featured pictures generally require 1500px on the smallest side, though that one's close enough it might slip through - but I've been wanting us to have a good pic of Puccini for years, and am glad this lets that happen. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 07:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dear @Adam Cuerden:, thank you for your interest and for your work! Most images requiring restoration are in the portraits, but the resolution is not high. We uploaded higher resolution images in the Costume designs and Set designs categories, see if you find some interesting for you. --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 08:07, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've loaded up my favourite dozen into my to-do list. Probably going to start with File:Gabrielle Ray (c. 1910) - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO002691.jpg. I don't suppose you could beg them for a high-resolution image related to the Ricordis? File:Giacomo Puccini, Tito II Ricordi, André Charles Messager - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO000883.jpg looks like a decent choice. Although I'll also be doing File:Maria Carrara Verdi, Barberina Strepponi, Giuseppe Verdi, Giuditta Ricordi, Teresa Stolz, Umberto Campanari, Giulio Ricordi, Leopoldo Metlicovitz (1900) - Archivio storico Ricordi FOTO003107.jpg Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 02:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dear @Adam Cuerden:, thank you. I'm asking Ricordi for some hi-res images, but it may require some time. Consider also some other group image like File:Gerolamo Rovetta, Marco Praga, Giannino Antona Traversi, Augusto Novelli, Domenico Oliva, Renato Simoni, Sabatino Lopez (1907) - Archivio storico Ricordi FOTO002705.jpg (some of them already used in articles). --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 08:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I shall be working through as many as I can manage. Just would feel odd to me to get this wonderful release and not do a restoration to celebrate what made the archive, y'know? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 09:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From these treasures, do we have something about operas by Rossini - Pacini - Respighi? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think Rossini and Pacini are a little early. There was a Belfagorimage, but it was a mislabelled Il Piccolo do Haydn. We can hope the real Belfagor is uploaded in the next batch. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 17:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Belfagor is on the list for next. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs

What should an article on Opera aimed at 8-13 year-olds look like?[edit]

(A thought experiment -- I am not suggesting anybody gets involved in this).

I've just bumped into Vikidia, a wiki-based, wikipedia-like project aimed at 8-13 year-olds, and it has an article on Opera. Without looking, what sort of thing do you think should be in there? How would you explain opera to an audience that age?

(I am not now, nor have I ever been, a parent, so I had to just guess when making my own back-of-a-beermat list of points to include). Scarabocchio (talk) 08:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wouldn't start with "An opera is completely sung from beginning to end." as their article does. And I wouldn't stop in 1791 – that doesn't encourage youfs to engage with opera. OTOH, I'm doubtful about the reach of Vikidia, so it probably doesn't matter much. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Scarabocchio, I suggest looking at the many teacher's guides to opera available online. For example, Seattle Opera's teacher guide, Metropolitan Opera's Opera In the Classroom, Los Angeles Opera Lesson Plans and Resources, Opera Colorado's Opera For Beginners etc. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was thinking .. more on it being 400 years-old (400!) (perhaps something on Italy families/cities at the time) // originally by&for aristos // but public & commercial within 40 years // explicitly saying that it was telling stories through words and music, originally classical and later contemporary // singer as star (castrati) // Mozart as Wunderkind and then pauper // impresarios and rise of composers // something something // recordings and Caruso // explorations of new genres and hybrids (jazz, 12-tone) ended by WWII // something something // Oh, and PS:Alma Deutscher.
I have lots of anecdotes from Victor Borge's My Favourite Intervals jumping up and down in my mind, demanding to be included. (Oh, and as the French version of the article spells out, "no microphones"). Scarabocchio (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dido's Lament video FPC[edit]

File:Henry Purcell "Dido & Aeneas" (extrait) - Les Arts Florissants, William Christie.webm has been nominated as a featured picture candidate; the nomination can be found here. Since the picture falls under this WikiProject's scope, I am posting this notice here. It currently needs more comments, so if you've got time, please comment on the nomination page. Thanks in advance! czar 21:05, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This seems a rather controversial nomination overall. I suggest to others to read the discussion at the nomination and vote.--Smerus (talk) 20:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notability guidelines?[edit]

Der langwierige Weg in die Wohnung der Natascha Ungeheuer has just acquired a silly tag, but it made me wonder if there are other notability guidelines than WP:NSONG or WP:NALBUM: the Classical & Opera Project pages don't have obvious pointers. Sparafucil (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfC[edit]

A request for comment was initiated for soprano Jenny Lind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More specifically, this is an RfC about installing an infobox in the article, rather than anything about Lind herself.--Smerus (talk) 10:21, 2 February 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
I tried to keep it neutral. A few editors seem still to think that an infobox is a contentious topic. From the 2019 (!) discussion about changing the guidelines for project opera:

In my view there is no longer a clear consensus to say that this project does not recommend them. Several of our members (including me) now use them in biographical articles as a matter of course. However, there is not a consensus to recommend them either, and I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future. Needless to say, after having to close at least two acrimonious and highly personalised discussions on this subject in the last couple of years, I have zero desire to go around and around the merits or sins of biographical infoboxes yet again. If you write an article, and if, like the Encyclopædia Britannica and the Australian Dictionary of Biography, you think adding Infobox person is useful and appropriate, add it. If you don't, then don't. I do change Infobox musical artist to Infobox person, if I run across them. Otherwise, pace gioia. Voceditenore (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Melitta Muszely died, RIP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]