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Image requests[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List here any articles for which you would like an image or any current images which could use cleanup or improvement.

Free subscriptions to databases[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC) Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 07:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Opera articles: Recordings - which to exclude?[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As there has been no further discussion on this since early December 2010, I've archived this here. But this is a topic we may want to revisit at some point, re expanding/clarifying the current article guidelines. Voceditenore (talk) 08:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The latest discussion (January 2014) is archived here. – Voceditenore (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles needing libretto links[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note that for now some of the Rossini librettos can still be accessed from the list on this page on Karadar, but it will require adding those new links to the articles, and I'm not sure how long it will be before Karadar closes that loop hole. Anyhow, here's the list of operas so far where I've removed dead links and there is currently no other alternative. It's also possible to recover some of the karadar links via the Wayback machine, as was done at L'éclair, although it's a bit fiddly. If you add a new link, just strike through the opera name(s) below. Voceditenore (talk) 16:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help! Does anyone know how to access Karadar these days? It appears to be a dead link - and I've tried to get into it via a couple of ways. Viva-Verdi (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Viva-Verdi. It appears to have disappeared in all its guises–.com, .org. and .it. I have a feeling they ran into copyright problems with some of their stuff. It's not showing up on Google searches at all and see this wacky note. I have found this other site which has links to zillions of libretti. Hopefully, you'll find the one(s) you're looking for. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Le domino noir (only score found), Sigurd (opera), Ciro in Babilonia, Sigismondo, Ricciardo e Zoraide, Eduardo e Cristina, L'equivoco stravagante, I Capuleti e i Montecchi, Médée (Charpentier), Emilia di Liverpool, Francesca di Foix, Il signor Bruschino

Requested opera templates[edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 120. Voceditenore (talk) 09:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Place new requests here. Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Almanacco Amadeus – Che disastro![edit]

Note Do not archive this section. Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's disappeared again. All links now redirect to this site. I'm keeping an eye out to see if the almanacco re-surfaces, but so far it's nowhere to be found on the new site. Grrrr! Voceditenore (talk) 15:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's finally available again: --Rodomonte (talk) 22:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I attempted to adapt Template:Almanacco to the new URL and its parameters; it seems to work. Lamentably, I discovered only later that Rodomonte had already modified de:Vorlage:Almanacco similarly – that template hadn't been linked to the EN template via interwiki links (now corrected). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks so much for that, Rodomonte and Michael! Not only for the good news but for fixing the template too. Brilliant! Voceditenore (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Many new illustrations from Ricordi now available[edit]

As part of the GLAM project with the Ricordi Archive, the most important historical archive in Italy about music, we have just uploaded hundreds of new quality images: photos and portraits of musicians, sketches, drawings, illustrations of operas. Many Wikipedia articles will finally have an illustration! You can find all images in Commons:Category:Media from Archivio Storico Ricordi‎ (here divided by category). Thank you in advance. --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank YOU, Marco. What a treasure trove! Voceditenore (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks great and promising! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, many thanks for all these great images! Have added some of them to articles already.Smeat75 (talk) 20:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Marco Chemello (WMIT): Are there any images the Ricordi Archive would like a restoration done of? I'd be delighted to do a few in thanks. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 04:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the meantime, File:Giacomo Puccini (1924) - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO003293 - Restoration.jpg. Would have liked more resolution on that - featured pictures generally require 1500px on the smallest side, though that one's close enough it might slip through - but I've been wanting us to have a good pic of Puccini for years, and am glad this lets that happen. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 07:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dear @Adam Cuerden:, thank you for your interest and for your work! Most images requiring restoration are in the portraits, but the resolution is not high. We uploaded higher resolution images in the Costume designs and Set designs categories, see if you find some interesting for you. --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 08:07, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've loaded up my favourite dozen into my to-do list. Probably going to start with File:Gabrielle Ray (c. 1910) - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO002691.jpg. I don't suppose you could beg them for a high-resolution image related to the Ricordis? File:Giacomo Puccini, Tito II Ricordi, André Charles Messager - Archivio Storico Ricordi FOTO000883.jpg looks like a decent choice. Although I'll also be doing File:Maria Carrara Verdi, Barberina Strepponi, Giuseppe Verdi, Giuditta Ricordi, Teresa Stolz, Umberto Campanari, Giulio Ricordi, Leopoldo Metlicovitz (1900) - Archivio storico Ricordi FOTO003107.jpg Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 02:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dear @Adam Cuerden:, thank you. I'm asking Ricordi for some hi-res images, but it may require some time. Consider also some other group image like File:Gerolamo Rovetta, Marco Praga, Giannino Antona Traversi, Augusto Novelli, Domenico Oliva, Renato Simoni, Sabatino Lopez (1907) - Archivio storico Ricordi FOTO002705.jpg (some of them already used in articles). --Marco Chemello (WMIT) (talk) 08:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I shall be working through as many as I can manage. Just would feel odd to me to get this wonderful release and not do a restoration to celebrate what made the archive, y'know? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 09:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From these treasures, do we have something about operas by Rossini - Pacini - Respighi? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think Rossini and Pacini are a little early. There was a Belfagorimage, but it was a mislabelled Il Piccolo do Haydn. We can hope the real Belfagor is uploaded in the next batch. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 17:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Belfagor is on the list for next. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.7% of all FPs

The WikiProject pages / Online research[edit]

Browsing one of the subpages of Wikiproject Opera, on online resources, it's clear that it is out-of-date. Nobody is maintaining it (I am the only person to edit it over the last five years), and the much of info is incomplete, broken and/or out-of-date. It would be *possible* for someone to give the page a complete overhaul and update, but that's a huge amount of work -- basically it would need to be a rewrite.

BUT the page is also unused, with zero pageviews in recent times.

I suggest that it is deleted. Thoughts? Scarabocchio (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Voceditenore created this page in 2008, and from memory, advertised it on these talk pages. The pageview statistic shows about 19 views per month since 2015, 13 and declining since 2022, but it's not zero. I can't see any benefit in deleting it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's had just five pageviews in the last 90 days, and even that includes two of my edits. The page needs work, but I'll not be wasting any more of my time on an unread page. Scarabocchio (talk) 10:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When I created that page 16 years ago, there was a real need for it at the project. Now, not so much, and I agree it needs updating, but I see no point in deleting it outright, although I wouldn’t object if that’s the general consensus. There is still some useful info there. Why not leave a note on top to the effect of the page being archived. Voceditenore (talk) 12:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nice to see you return, Voceditenore. - kosboot (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
same ;) - I never looked at the page before, and see no reason to delete. We could make a note that information may be dated, but that it's everybody's turn to change things they see wrong. I just checked Bach Cantatas, and what it says is correct. I didn't check Bayreuth Festival and Metropolitan Opera archives (yet, and have little time, updating an opera composer's article, Romuald Twardowski), - those two changed their sites. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Voce, I deliberately didn't tag you on the initial post as I wanted to test the water first before bothering you. I'm retired from the project, but a google search on Opera News led me to this page. As it was out-of-date, I just thought that that didn't look good, and that it should be addressed. I'm agnostic on whether the solution is 'kill' or 'cure'. Scarabocchio (talk) 21:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The key point is if I wanted to research something, where would I start .. Google or the reference pages of the project? One possible way to weight the answer towards the project is to rewrite the top of the project and/or talk pages to raise the profile of all of the subpages. It would have to be done is such a way to overcome the learnt behaviour of reaching for Google whenever you are looking for something. Possible? I'm not sure. Scarabocchio (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reassessment request for Nino Martini[edit]

Cioa fellow Editors: The biography about the lyric Italian operatic tenor Nino Martini (a student of the famed Giovanni Zenatello who perfromed regularly under Alfredo Antonini in New York City as well as at the Metropolitan Opera was last assessed as a "Start" article in 2009 but may now qualify as a "C" article due to the addition of new content, photographs and several External Media links to his performances from the 1940s. Enjoy (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)GCLReply[reply]

Good article reassessment for Parsifal[edit]

Parsifal has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 03:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Featured pictures about opera[edit]

So, um... I might have forgotten to update the images at the top of the page for... two years. I put all the ones I missed in now. Made the list a bit long, but...

None of them are over on the Portal either. Heavy lean towards comic opera (Gilbert and/or Sullivan especially), but there's Parisian set designer Philippe Chaperon and Claude Debussy as well. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 10:08, 4 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi all. I would appreciate some input at this discussion. FloridaArmy was wanting to describe the work as a musical comedy, but I am advocating for the more generic term "stage work" based on discrepancies among published literature. Per WP:NPOV, I have now documented a neutral presentation of the discrepancy in the article itself in The Red Moon (Johnson and Cole)#Operetta or musical?. I tried to be as balanced and neutral on this issue as possible and provide an overview across a wide range of sources. All opinions are welcome. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Menotti an American composer?[edit]

There is a discussion at Talk:Gian Carlo Menotti#American composer whether Menotti should also be categorized as an American composer. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Happy Birthday, Rossini[edit]

He only gets to celebrate his real birthday every four years. So…

Cin Cin, Gioachino!

Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

thank you, Voce, here's my toast:

Gioachino Rossini
(born 29 February 1792)
scored the last of his "sins of old age",
the Petite messe solennelle,
for twelve singers, two pianos, and harmonium.
When Heather Phillips
made her European debut
in Rossini's
Bianca e Falliero,
her nuanced coloraturas served
to portray Bianca's development.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]