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Requested move at Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 1 August 2023
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 1 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Usernamekiran_(AWB) (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Lizzy Goodman, New York music journalist
FA review for Fleetwood Park Racetrack?
I've submitted Fleetwood Park Racetrack as a FA candidate. This was a horse racing track from the late 1800s / early 1900s located in what is now the Morrisania section of the Bronx. The name shares some history with Metro North's Fleetwood station. It could use some additional reviews as part of the FAC process. As a side benefit to reviewing the article, you'll get to find out why East 167th Street follows such a strange path. RoySmith (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Neighborhood boundaries and original research
It's obvious to people in the city that neighborhood boundaries are nebulously defined, which surprises me that we have lots of articles that pretty declaratively state at least a consensus view for boundaries. The sources for these boundaries are either not given (just using maps with boundaries drawn arbitrarily) or not great (Ditmas Park, Brooklyn uses an old community board page with a map, but community boards don't equate directly with neighborhoods and likely aren't written by authorities regardless.) Before I try tackling this, I wanted to see if I was missing anything. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 20:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- While there are some historic districts with official boundaries, neighborhoods are all unofficial AFAIK. Even the sorta kinda official map says it's not exhaustive and unofficial. I recall a dispute somewhere that because a source listed a few neighborhoods as part of an unofficial region, the article on that region should only list those neighborhoods. The fact that there happens to be a neighborhood smack dab in the middle of all the ones it listed was considered irrelevant because some broad-scoped source listed these neighborhoods and the existence of something between them is just OR).
- I'd say for most purposes, articles about neighborhoods should be clear that they're unofficial and change over time. For the sake of providing boundaries, though, IMO we should defer to the Population FactFinder, and add to that if there are several RS that give an alternative. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- What part of the pop fact-finder are you referring to? The neighborhood tabulation units? They're supposed to be roughly analogous to neighborhoods, but given that they're built of census tract districts not neighborhood boundaries it seems a little weird to use them. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 02:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
When, over a decade ago, I was trying to organize and rationalize The Bronx#Neighborhoods I added (or modified) a lead paragraph that reads.
=== Neighborhoods ===
The number, locations, and boundaries of the Bronx's neighborhoods (many of them sitting on the sites of 19th-century villages) have become unclear with time and successive waves of newcomers. Even city officials do not necessarily agree. In a 2006 article for The New York Times, Manny Fernandez described the disagreement:
According to a Department of City Planning map of the city's neighborhoods, the Bronx has 49. The map publisher Hagstrom identifies 69. The borough president, Adolfo Carrión Jr., says 61. The Mayor's Community Assistance Unit, in a listing of the borough's community boards, names 68.
Major neighborhoods of the Bronx include the following....
- As Maps and Memories Fade, So Do Some Bronx Boundary Lines by Manny Fernandez, The New York Times, September 16, 2006, retrieved on August 3, 2008