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I apologise if this is not the right place to post this.

Correct me if I am wrong. Aren't these articles violating policies such as WP:CRYSTALBALL, WP:DIRECTORY, WP:NOTADVERT & WP:NOTDATABASE? I have, in the past, attempted to improve them by removing content that are in violation with Wikipedia's policies and by adding relevant maintenance templates. However, I am unsure as to how much more content I should remove in order to ensure the aforementioned articles comply with Wikipedia's policies. Can an experienced editor help me determine what is worth keeping and what is worth removing? Or am I just overreacting and being a deletionist? --Lousysofa (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think all of these are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles, same like the cinema chains in other countries listed in Category:Cinema and movie theatre chains by country. Just make sure these cinema articles have proper information to make them an encyclopedia articles, e.g. date of establishments, where they are located, history, changes in branding/logo etc. Chongkian (talk) 04:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The problem isn't whether the subjects are notable enough or not, the problem is the content of the articles. I believe the articles have a slight promotional tone, contain predictions (e.g. predicting the year a cinema will open), and contain excessive information that aren't supposed to be included in Wikipedia articles (e.g. number of seats in each cinema). — Lousysofa (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course those promotional tone sentences or trivial information (e.g. number of seats) can be removed per WP:CITENEED. Chongkian (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project-independent quality assessments[edit]

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Naming convention for federal and state constituencies[edit]

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think there had previously been an unwritten convention (or tradition) of naming constituencies in Malaysia with the (state/federal constituency) suffix. However, this was challenged in good faith around December last year by a few editors citing WP:PRECISE. I think that all constituencies should have the (federal/state constituency) suffix as most constituency boundaries in Malaysia usually have quite a significant discrepancy between the actual boundary of the place and constituency named after the place. For example, P123. Cheras is a federal constituency located solely in Kuala Lumpur, but the actual boundary of the place known as Cheras actually stretches into Selangor and is noticeably much bigger than the boundary of the constituency named after it. However, I am not sure if this is enough of a reason to propose an exception to WP:PRECISE in the naming convention. Should federal and state constituencies in Malaysia have a naming convention similar to those of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK Parliament constituencies) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indian constituencies)? --Traxezz (talk) 09:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you provide a link to an instance where editors challenge the naming convention/tradition? Did they simply omit the suffix (e.g.: changing "Cheras (federal constituency)" to "Cheras") or did they remove the suffix in favour of the constituency's code (e.g.: "Cheras (federal constituency)" → "P123 Cheras")? Personally, I believe we could be more precise if we use "(Dewan Rakyat constituency)" instead of "(federal constituency)" and "(<insert state name> legislative assembly constituency)" instead of "(state constituency)" as Malaysia is not the only country in the world with federal and state constituencies. — Lousysofa (talk) 17:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A few examples would be Pengkalan Berangan, Bukit Lada and Kuala Krau where the suffix was removed entirely. You can find a more comprehensive list of constituencies with their suffix removed by browsing Category:Constituencies in Malaysia. I had requested the Bukit Lada move to be reverted in Wikipedia:Requested moves before but it was overwhelmingly turned down. --Traxezz (talk) 14:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with your approach. Name without suffix will be treated as geographical place first (e.g. towns, cities etc). For constituencies, they need to have that 'constituency; suffix. And to further avoid ambiguity, we need to further breakdown on those constituencies, either to have it as 'state constituency' or 'federal constituency'. Because I think some of the constituencies do share the same name between the state-level or federal-level constituencies. Chongkian (talk) 14:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request to redesign interchange style on metro rail route diagrams[edit]

integrated paid area
single fare trip
non-integrated paid area
multiple fare trips
integrated paid area
single fare trip
non-integrated paid area
multiple fare trips

I am planning to improve the metro rail route diagrams for all lines in Kuala Lumpur. In the current design, the integrated paid area is shown as a white oblong shape, but it seems like it can only be in a straight line, and cannot be curved, which is inconvenient for stations with interchange between three or more lines. And I have looked at other metro rail route diagrams in other countries, many are shown as a gray circle around the stations. So I wanted to ask for opinion whether or not to redesign the interchange style. The diagram on the right side is my proposal. Zh9567 14:16, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is a route diagram edited with improved interchange styles: User:Zh9567/rail (edited from Template:Ampang Line) Zh9567 15:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon[edit]

Hello WikiProject Malaysia:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 13:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This came out of the Indonesian wikiproject but affects the Malaysian side too. The problem was that the Ejaan yang Disempurnakan topic kept getting moved back and forth repeatedly. See my suggested move here. Dan Carkner (talk) 17:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Uploading free photographs of all DAP elected representatives supplied by DAP NHQ to Wikipedia[edit]

I wrote to the DAP National Headquarters to request for photographs of the elected representatives under the allowed free licences by Wikimedia Commons, and the Head of Social Media got back to me. She is asking for my association with Wikipedia and how to proceed with uploading photos of the representatives. How should I get back to her? HejTuWou (talk) 09:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi HejTuWou, we have a page Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials which has some text you might be able to adapt! The easiest way for this to proceed is for the copyright holders (presumably the party?) to upload the photos themselves. It is crucial that they understand the terms of the free licence. As for your association, many people do not understand Wikipedia is built by volunteers, perhaps some of the examples at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission may be what you are looking for to help with that. CMD (talk) 12:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have followed up with her and told her she can either do batch uploading to Commons directly or to Flickr with the allowed licences! Hope this works out. HejTuWou (talk) 12:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it OK if you request further for the DAP press office to issue photographs of their former party leaders (such as Lim Kit Siang, Devan Nair, and Chen Han Min)? That would greatly contribute to Malaysian political articles. Thanks, best regards, gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On the subject of honorific suffixes[edit]

I am requesting a discussion on the usage of honorific suffixes for Malaysian biographical articles. The abundance of state titles issued to numerous personnel have inflated their titles to a (sometimes) ridiculous extent, especially when demonstrated in the subject article's infobox. An example would be those of Muhyiddin Yassin, Tunku Abdul Rahman, and Mahathir Mohamad, where their state titles have essentially covered a significant portion of the upper section of the infobox. This is made worse when if we equate state titles as those worthy of inclusion, then it will present the article's number of honours as unrealistic compared those of other national leaders where their honours are equal, or if not more than the Malaysian subject articles themselves.

I propose that:

  • The removal of all state titles in the infobox; retaining federal titles only (eg. PSM, KMN, SMN, MP, etc.);
  • Inclusion of a new section, namely Awards and honours, to list all their titles comprehensively.

gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@PenangLion: Agree with you that those situations are a mess. Elizabeth II has just one position in that infobox field. Lee Kuan Yew has a slightly more expansive four. CMD (talk) 12:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rampant addition of transliterations apart from Malay in various topics[edit]

Calling to attention on the apparently rampant addition of Tamil (and to a lesser extent, Chinese) transliterations in articles apart from geographic places by certain editors, such as [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6].

For geographic places, scripts in Jawi, Chinese and Tamil are understandably added due to cultural diversity. But in the above examples, Tamil transliterations are added for articles on local governments and transport infrastructure, when according to MOS:PLACE, "names in languages with no particular present-day or historical ties to the place in question (English excepted, of course) should not be listed as alternatives". That is not even going into the fact that the rest of the articles on Malaysia's government structure (state and local governments) have no such transliterations that clutter the infobox and making readability that much harder (MOS:LEADLANG has another example of lengthy names in foreign languages that impair readability).

Hope to find clarification here on the MOS for Malaysian articles, if transliterations in languages other than Malay (the official language) is permitted outside the scopes of certain geographic locations and biographies. hundenvonPG (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As noted we don't include the translations/transliterations for state and local governments (including Chinese, Tamil, and Jawi scripts), because they lack any official status. This should generally apply as a default to articles relating to Malaysia, unless there is a specific reason to add a particular translation/transliteration(s) on a case-by-case basis due to particular relevance. CMD (talk) 12:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]