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New discussion at Talk:J.League#Season_schedule_and_general_revision

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that I've opened a new discussion on J.League's talk page, discussing possible changes to season schedules and the current state of the article itself. It should be of special interest to the Sport task force of this WikiProject.

Any type of advice would be greatly appreciated!

Oltrepier (talk) 12:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Asking for review (Tottori Jōhoku High School)

Hi, I wrote an article (since transferred to draft) about Tottori Jōhoku High School. The draft has been awaiting review for 3 months now, so I was wondering if anyone here could drop by to even give their opinion on it. Thanks - OtharLuin (talk) 09:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Careless Whisper revison specifically the cover versions

please help i have tried to add in information that is accurate to the cover versions section of the page dedicated to the song Careless whisper the problems is there is no website that documents the information aside from ebay and a youtube video [1]of the song and other places so i am unsure what to do as it got taken down

i inserted this into the page

• Japanese singer Hideki Saijo released a cover in 1984 with the title of "Dakishimete Jiruba" which was released as a single and featured on his album "In Search of Love" which was released a year after

Yuki1983 (talk) 12:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an issue for the talk page of Careless Whisper, not the Japan Wikiproject. Canterbury Tail talk 12:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Jumpei Hayakawa

Hello everyone! I just wanted to ask if there's anyone willing to take a look at this article I've just created, please: it's the first Japan-related page I've created since joining the project, as well as the first article I've ever written almost exclusively out of sources in Japanese (thank you, automatic translator...), so I'd like to get some feedback and advice.

Oltrepier (talk) 19:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Asian Australians WikiProject

Hi,

I am looking for members to join WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Australians.

I figured that some members of WikiProject Japan might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.

Let me know if you are interested!

Thanks, AverageFraud (talk) 09:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Please help me for Draft:Yasushi Kawakami

Excuse me. Please help me. Draft:Yasushi Kawakami (ja:川上靖) is the first article I created. But it has not been accepted. Could you improve this draft? He is the first Japanese footballer to play in Argentine league and the technical director of the Argentina women's national football team from 1999 to 2012. Thanks, Jumping Frog Man (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jumping Frog Man As @CurryTime7-24 suggested, I think you should try to retrieve at least one or two more good sources, aside of Clarín and Olé, and avoid trivial references. Oltrepier (talk) 09:30, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Let me try and see what I can find. There may be good coverage in Japanese sources that can be used for your article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 15:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ise Grand Shrine#Requested move 6 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ise Grand Shrine#Requested move 6 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 04:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit-warring on oyama (onnagata)

Everyone knows onnagata (女形), a female kabuki role played by a man, but many people (including me, a couple of hours ago) do not know that it can also be read oyama. An IP removed the entry from Oyama (disambiguation page), then tried to remove the relevant text from Onnagata by simply deleting every occurrence of 'oyama', resulting in a mangled template and incoherence. I restored the Oyama page, and started to rewrite the relevant bits of Onnagata, but the IP simply reverts everything. Can someone else please have a look. (Incidentally, the entry in Daijirin is quite a satisfactory account; can someone remind me how to quote that as a reference.) Thanks Imaginatorium (talk) 05:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Shomin-geki#Requested move 8 May 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Shomin-geki#Requested move 8 May 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Kōshi or kōshijima (Japanese tartan/plaid)

After some 2021 argumentation (not involving me) at Talk:Tartan about the article being to Scotland-specific, I've started a Tartan#In other cultures section with a Tartan#Japanese kōshi subsection. I was kind of surprised there was not already an article or at least a section on this element of Japanese textile and clothing history which goes back to at least the Edo period. The section definitely needs work, as it is using not-too-great sources (all that I could find). It would benefit from expert source material (which is probably going to be in Japanese and will need a Japanese-fluent editor to parse it). In the interim, I've redirected relevant terms to this section when possible and disambiguated when not. PS: I have used simple {{lang}} markup; I know some prefer more complex templates; feel free to re-markup as needed.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

The general idea of a pattern with crossing lines has a word in most languages, I'm sure, but I doubt many of them are separate encyclopedia topics. As far as I know, in Japanese this is just a pattern without any particular cultural meaning. The direct translation of "tartan" in Japanese is "kōshi moyō" (lattice pattern), and there does not appear to be an article on the Japanese version on the Japanese Wikipedia (the closest equivalent article corresponds to our article on Stripe (pattern)). The individual names in the subsection on the Tartan page are basically descriptive rather than "titles" (misuji literally means three lines, futasuji literally means two lines, ō- means large, and ko- means small). The reference on the Scholten site... I don't know. "The grid motif was associated with strength; the larger the stripes, the greater the power" looks a bit like they are just trying their best to sell the print. Dekimasuよ! 05:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Independent shrines has been nominated for discussion

Category:Independent shrines has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. The CfD requires attention of someone knowledgable on Japanese temples and shrines. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Obama (surname) and relation to samurai

Hello there, I decided to ask this question here because I figure this project has the people who know most about the subject. I found a source (https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-11-24/maphead-ken-jennings-obama-japan-barack-obama) that mentions that Obama was "once the surname of a great samurai clan". However, I can find no information on this so-called clan anywhere else. I think that the author may have been confused with the name of the Obama Domain. Is that a fair assumption? Does anyone have any evidence pointing to the existence of an Obama clan? If so I would love to see it so that the information could be added to the page. As of right now I am skeptical of the article's claim about the existence of an Obama clan. Di (they-them) (talk) 07:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

There was an Ohama family (written using the same characters) who were hatamoto during the Edo period. I don't think any of them have articles on the English Wikipedia, but you can see the category on the Japanese Wikipedia for them here. Still, I suppose that you are right about the linked article, since it focuses primarily on the location. Dekimasuよ! 09:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dekimasu: Thank you for the information, I really appreciate it. However, none of the articles in that category on Japanese Wikipedia have citations. Do you think you could help find a source so that I can cite it? Thanks. Di (they-them) (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

2007 Komae city assembly election

I was surprised to discover that there's an article on 2007 Komae city assembly election, but then unsurprised to find that it has minimal text. For anyone reading this who's unfamiliar with -shi or the western Tokyo burbs, "Komae city" is the standard translation of Komae-shi, shi has little in common with "city" in a European context, and Komae is an unremarkable patch of suburbia. The election seems to have been unremarkable. Or am I missing something? -- Hoary (talk) 12:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If you think it's non-notable, feel free to WP:PROD it. Canterbury Tail talk 15:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Canterbury Tail. Some might claim that, as it's about an election that verifiably took place, it doesn't qualify for prodding. AfD very often seems a waste of time and effort; but for your !voting pleasure: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 Komae city assembly election. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Asking for review (Saitama Sakae High School)

Just as I asked for proofreading on my article about Tottori Jōhoku High School, I'm also writing an article in my sandbox about Saitama Sakae High School in Japan (also known for its sports clubs). I was wondering if anyone here could drop by to give their opinion on it. - OtharLuin (talk) 09:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Template:eigo

I just encountered this bizarrely-named template being added to Japanese adjectives‎. It appears to be a variant of the "Nihongo" template; is it really a good idea for a template to have a name as misleading as this? Opinions please... Imaginatorium (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@Imaginatorium: It doesn't seem to be doing anything that couldn't be done with the Nihongo template. I'd suggest replacing the usage. I also agree about the misleading template name. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

The template does seem to display things slightly differently that the "Nihongo" templates; for example, if you follow {{nihongo}}'s and {{eigo}}'s documentation verbatim you get

• dog (犬, inu) ({{nihongo|dog|犬|inu}}), and
• 犬 (inu, dog) ({{eigo|犬|inu|dog}}).

However, the two do seem interchangeable if you play with the positioning of the parameters; for example,

• dog (犬, inu) ({{eigo|dog|犬|inu}}), and
• 犬 (inu, dog) ({{nihongo|犬|inu|dog}}).

So, there does seem to be some overlapping of functionality. The "eigo" template was created back in 2008. Since it came a few years after the "nihongo" template, someone probably thought there's was a need for it; the creator, however, is no longer editing and can't be asked why. It appears to only being transcluded 34 times while the "nihongo" template is transcluded more than 100,000. The "nihongo" template also is in Lua, but the "eigo" template isn't. Maybe the thing to do would be to start a discussion about this at WP:TFD. I don't know too much about template code, and TFD might help clarify things one way or another. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC) -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Toshigami

The article Toshigami is currently a mess, making massive claims with few sources. But it may be savable with content from Japanese wikipedia or independently gained sources. If it can properly be sourced it is likely a valuable article so can we try to have more input on it? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems like this issue has been already addressed by a different Wikipedian and has already wiped 5000 bytes to make the article more clean. (AlphaBetaGammsh (talk) 06:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC))

James Edward Ketelaar

Hello everyone! I hope you are all well.

I have completed a draft on professor emeritus James Edward Ketelaar here (Draft:James Edward Ketelaar) and would love to get your feedback. First article I've made on Wikipedia, so I welcome any and all changes, feedback, or help.

Thank you very much and looking forward to working with you.

Coroz Coroz12 (talk) 15:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

First glance, it's a resume not an encyclopaedia article. The list of presentations and non-notable awards is just promotional rather than encyclopaedic. Only independently notable awards, i.e. ones that have articles, should be included and the presentations should be entirely excised as a pure promotional list. Canterbury Tail talk 15:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Great — thank you. I originally thought the presentations would be insightful for those interested in the types of work he would do, but I have now removed the piece.

I have also removed the awards, and added a citation on the awards his book received.

How does it look?

Thanks @Canterbury Tail Coroz12 (talk) 19:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I made a couple of stylistic tweaks to bring it into line with the WP:MOS. His dissertation seems over referenced, whereas his articles list has no references. Canterbury Tail talk 20:10, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for your support thus far. I did have a feeling that it was over referenced, but wasn't sure how much evidence needs to be presented for a claim such as "acclaimed work."

Will add those citations for the articles shortly. Coroz12 (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

pruned article section and added citations to articles & books. Thank you once again, and looking forward to hearing back about any next steps Coroz12 (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2023 (UTC)