Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests

The Eras Tour on hold

I've put the newly added c/e request for The Eras Tour on hold; @Jonesey95: (courtesy ping) has noted it is undergoing rapid development (history [1] here) so I think allowing it to stabilize before a full c/e would be useful. The tour is ongoing until August but it will likely be a while before a c/e is done anyway. Courtesy-pinging the requester @OfTheUsername:. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you-, I did put in the request a bit prematurely as I realize now, but the editing may slow down before the complete end of the tour; either way there will be some time before should probably be copyedited. OfTheUsername (talk) 03:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

(←) This article is still not really stable and is still under development; see its history. I suggest a decline for now, the article can be relisted when it settles down. Sorry for sticking my oar in here but I put this on hold over a month ago. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Agree, Baffle, and thanks for keeping track. All the best, Miniapolis 14:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Miniapolis; I've declined. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 22:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Should Kurt Angle be placed on hold?

The GAR reviewer noted that [a]t over 15,000 words, the article contains many details of matches. The article is still at 13,000 words and there's been an {{overly detailed}} tag in the professional wrestling career section since June 2021. I think there should be a crack at cutting some of the FANCRUFT before this is copy edited. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Tangential point, but can any copy editor place something on hold, or only the coordinators? I wasn't sure which is why I didn't put the request on hold myself. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:32, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

IMO cutting fancruft is within the remit of a copy editor. You are welcome to do a partial copy edit (or none at all) and leave the rest for another editor. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense (and thanks for answering the question about placing something on hold). I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough about pro-wrestling to know which events are (un)important and what about those events needs to be summarized in the article, so I'm probably not the best person for the job. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Re the second question, we usually get consensus here before placing a request on hold. Sometimes a coordinator will summarily place a hold if a request meets conditions that have always gained consensus for a hold on this page, or if the requester asks for the hold. A note about the hold is typically placed on this page, regardless of whether the hold is placed before or after the notice. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm also willing to take another look at the article and potentially copy edit if somebody else deals with the fancruft. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, to note, I wasn't trying to be sarcastic about answering the second question; I saw your response in the edit summary. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I copy edited the article and did not remove the fancruft, not remembering this post and thinking that my duty was to make the text there as intelligible as possible, only removing that which was blatantly redundant or irrelevant. There are editors here who would have done otherwise, though. I myself think that it's up to subject-matter editors to decide what should stay and what should be taken out, especially as they should be more aware of what constitutes appropriate detail in such articles. I'm here to make sure you know whose head Angle slammed with a steel chair, not whether such head slams constitute too much detail. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Excess request removed

I've removed the request for Chris Redfield here; the requester Greenish Pickle! has two unaccepted requests extant here. I've informed them on their talk page here. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 03:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I've just removed another third request from this editor; Rebecca Chambers here. Baffle☿gab 23:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Oops sorry, I forgot about that one. I will patiently wait before requesting another one soon. Thank you. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:30, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thank you for responding; this edit shows you were aware of my first notice. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I also just removed Wario here; :Greenish Pickle! has two earlier requests listed, though one has been accepted for c/e. I should have spotted this one earlier; sorry. Baffle☿gab 03:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Oki, I have np with that. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 04:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

John Jesnor Lindsay on hold

I've just placed John Jesnor Lindsay on hold; this is a probable BLP article that lacks citations and is tagged ad original research. The subject is an obscure British adult film-maker. I've removed a significant section of uncited BLP text but the remaining sourcing is weak, and only four sources are cited. Reducing it to a stub might be the best way forward but I don't really think a full c/e would be useful at this time. I've no prejudice against it being relisted once it's been reworked and properly cited per policy. Pinging the requester @Ktkvtsh: for comment. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 06:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate your work here @Baffle gab1978. I will inform the crew over at the WikiProject Pornography and we will get it sorted out from here. Couldn't have moved forward without your expertise. Ktkvtsh (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

No problem, @Ktkvtsh:, if you're happy to do so, you can withdraw the request by typing {{withdrawn}} below it and the bot will archive it in 24 hours or so. I'd prefer coordinator input before it's declined. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 03:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

(←) It's been over a week since I put this request on hold. I've dealt with the tone issue and removed the obvious waffle, POV and editorial text. Can a coordinator please either decline the request or strike / remove my hold notice? Thanks, Baffle☿gab 22:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done (declined). All the best, Miniapolis 01:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

TheOnlyZac

User:TheOnlyZac is no longer active and has only edited a bit at the article Ada Wong. Should we remove its Working comment on it so others could take over instead? GreenishPickle! (🔔) 04:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Done. All the best, Miniapolis 14:11, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Ada Wong

CC-BY-SA declaration; text in this subsection was copied from the Requests page here by me. See that page's history for full attribution. Baffle☿gab 03:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

An article that recently became GA needs more copyedit after the addition of content. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 07:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

 Working — TheOnlyZac (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

I feel like this user is inactive already. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 23:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

As of this timestamp, TheOnlyZac has copyedited as far as the "concept and design" section. I'm assuming he's already in university working towards his Computer Science degree (according to his user page). Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 16:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@Baffle gab1978 wdyt? GreenishPickle! (🔔) 11:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Greenish Pickle!:, I'm no longer a GOCE project coordinator and I'm not actively editing atm; I suggest you raise this issue at REQ talk. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Struck-through TheOnlyZac's "working" tag, since they haven't edited in several weeks. Miniapolis 14:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

(←)  Working Baffle☿gab 23:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Baffle☿gab 03:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of "550 Madison Avenue" request

Entry and following discussion from Requests page

550 Madison Avenue This page was promoted to Good Article status two years ago, but I'd like to nominate it for FAC. I would greatly appreciate a copyedit in case there were any issues I missed. Thanks in advance. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)  Comment: Wait, wasn't this article already requested? I don't see the point of a second copy edit... TarantulaTM (speak with me) (my legacy) 17:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC) @Epicgenius and Voorts: Yes, it was recently copy edited, as requested on 2023-05-19 and completed on 2023-07-18, according to the archive. Hmm. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:00, 13 August 2023 (UTC) My bad - I meant to request a copyedit of another article but accidentally copy pasted the wrong title. Please disregard this request. Epicgenius (talk) 23:02, 13 August 2023 (UTC)  Request withdrawn – Withdrawing per regular form. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I've deleted this mistaken request, assuming that that's the appropriate course of action. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

It's more usual to place {{withdrawn}} (per requester here) and let the bot archive the request, but it's probably not that important here. I'd also have copied the discussion to this page but that's probably unnecessary too. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 02:53, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

It's important that I observe regular form. I've undone the deletion and placed the "withdrawn" tag, as well as putting the entry and following discussion within a collapsed box. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

...oops.

I may have accidentally broke the layout of the page because of an edit conflict. Sorry about that, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 14:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC).

The best thing to do in a case like this is to go into the page's history and undo your edit. I have done so for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

My 2¢ on Discipline

@TrademarkedTarantula, (AFAIK) there are no officially agreed-upon guidelines for the use of LLMs/AI on Wikipedia. The general consensus so far (per WP:ChatGPT and WP:LLM) seems to favor allowing tools like ChatGPT for copy editing as long as the editor discloses the use of such a tool. @Moorlock was not saying that you used ChatGPT, but that they did. FYI, Moorlock, it is probably best that you refrain from your edits until Tarantula has completed their copy edit. It is much easier to copy edit an article that remains stable. Waiting for Tarantula to finish their work will prevent confusion and allow them to continue carrying out the request. Wracking ^talk! 18:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. I was wondering why "ChatGPT" appeared in the version history. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 00:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Discipline

CC-BY-SA; text in this subsection was copied from the Requests page here by me; see that page's history for full attribution. Baffle☿gab 18:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Needs a lot of TLC. —Moorlock (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: Oh my! This article is infected with too many "clarification needed" and "needs copy edit" inline tags... I've got my work cut out for me. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 17:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: I might need additional help. This is a philosophy-related article, so I don't really know if my copyediting is good enough. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 18:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

 Working. I'll need the Manual of Style, a new keyboard, and ten pairs of glasses. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 19:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: Okay, I'm confused. I had no idea that this Wikipedia article was AI generated (see here). This is just... why? Was my copyediting AI generated? How did this editor even know?

Wait, did this editor use ChatGPT to help me? Isn't that not allowed?? Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 17:02, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: I brought this to the talk page :) Wracking ^talk! 18:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done. I have never, ever, seen a Wikipedia article so horrible to look at. I'm going to bed. Also, please credit @Moorlock for assisting me with copyediting; he helped me a ton! Thanks, Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: Thanks, Tarantula! —Moorlock (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Sengol on hold

I've just placed the request for Sengol on hold. I was about to accept it but I checked it's history; there's a lot of very recent activity, some reverting and possibly an edit war going on here. I think we should wait until the article is stable. Courtesy-pinging the requester @Bookku: for comment. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Baffle gab1978

Heritage Vs. modernity in itself an eternal human struggle at times gets politicized then polarized and spill over in opensource Wikipedia results in unfortunate edit wars, that said. The small section Design is likely to remain stable and I shall prefer that much is cross checked for copy edit requirement; For rest of the article, no issues in keeping on hold or even withdrawing for a year or so.

• On side note:The present title Sengol is too generic, not in line with multiple WP policies, where as article scope is very specific. I am looking for suggestions on alternate article title since copy editors tend to have good knowledge of English language.

Thanks

Bookku (talk) 07:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Bookku, I think the article should remain on hold until it stabilizes (within a reasonable time), and I don't see the point of copyediting a single section. Moving pages (which is what a title change entails) is beyond the scope of the GOCE, and I suggest that you begin a discussion on the article's talk page. All the best, Miniapolis 18:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

The article has now been extended-confirmed protected for year so it should settle down. I'll check in a week or so and remove the hold if I think it has. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 22:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku:, I've struck my hold note. Please let us know if disruption resumes before a c/e occurs. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 14:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The article t/p discussion seem to indicate that article may go through couple of RFCs in coming weeks so no issues if it is taken up later too. Bookku (talk) 16:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Requests removed

I've removed seven excess requests from one editor today; I've informed them on their talk here. I've since restored the final request, which is from a regular requester. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 22:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Edmund Crouchback

The GA reviewer noted some significant TSI issues in the spot check. Should this be placed on hold until the requestor (@Sinoam) has confirmed that those have been dealt with? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so, since there's no need to move refs around as part of a copyedit. All the best, Miniapolis 20:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Request removed (x2)

I've just removed the request for Narendra Modi Stadium here because the requester @Tesla Car Owner: (courtesy ping) already has two requests listed; one is marked Partly done and one is in process. I've inform them on their talk page here. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 01:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Average wait time up to date?

The instructions at the top state: The average waiting time is two or so months. The stats cited are for 2016. Are there more up-to-date stats? voorts (talk/contributions) 23:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Voorts:, our 2022 Annual Report says last year's mean days to completion was 67.7 days. The longest time (December) was 100.4 days and the shortest (February) was 40.8 days (February). I haven't yet analyzed this year's stats but I think the 2016 "two months or so" guesstimate still holds good. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the stats should be changed to link to the more up-to-date report. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Golconda diamonds

CC-BY-SA declaration; text in this section has been coped from the Requests page here by me. See that page's history for full attribution. Baffle☿gab 19:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The Golconda diamonds is a former GA, and a GOCE was completed, but unfortunately it was partly done. I intend to nominate the article for FA (FAC). Thus needed a thorough copy editing. :)-Omer123hussain (talk) 19:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain:, this article still has {{Disputed}} at the top, as it did in December '22 when I processed your previous c/e request (which was not "partly done" btw; see my edit summary here). Factual inaccuracies should be dealt with before an FA nomination; don't expect the GOCE to fix them up. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 20:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Baffle gab1978: thanks for fixing those issues during GOCE,by "partly" I mean that during the GOCE review I could not answer to the issues.

• Recently I had cleaned, cited and added text to make the article more clear and support the factuality.
• My expectation from GOCE team is that, you point out the issues i will resolve those. because as an editor it is hard to find issues in our own work, so i came here to ask for the support from GOCE to point out the issues only.

Omer123hussain (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to reply to you on the REQ talk page; please feel free to discuss there. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 19:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Omer123hussain: I apologise for my tone above. Copy-editors are unlikely to check what you write is true and accurate; we just help out by fixing spelling, grammar, sentence order and flow—we probably wouldn't know if there are falsehoods in the article. Fact-checking is the onus of the editor who adds or restores the text, not the copy-editor. I notice you struggle with English; you may find there's a Wikipedia in your native language where you can write more fluently. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 20:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC)