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Reorganisation of public transport in Athens[edit]

Public transport in Athens and Athens Mass Transit System are very similar to each other. I think the former should be about the transport system at a glance, while the latter should be reframed to describe the Transport for Athens (trading name of the Athens Urban Transport Organization) transport tariff authority.[1] See also the proposal to create of Attiko Metro and Urban Rail Transport S.A. (STASY) at WikiProject Greece/Open tasks. Best, --Minoa (talk) 18:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


An RfC on whether the Aromanians of Greece should be included in Template:Greeks is open here [1]. Khirurg (talk) 18:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Diocletian Featured article review[edit]

I have nominated Diocletian for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please confirm[edit] There are several pages to be similarly corrected. Xx236 (talk) 07:51, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not a correction. Yes, grammatically it is the genitive case, but it is in practice used as the female form of the name. Etymology does not define meaning. Antondimak (talk) 11:17, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Titles of royal family biography articles[edit]

(See this Help Desk thread for context.)

Consider the following articles, about family members of the deposed king Constantine II:

  1. Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece
  2. Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark
  3. Prince Nikolaos of Greece and Denmark
  4. Princess Theodora of Greece and Denmark (born 1983)
  5. Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark

I wonder if all of them are really notable (obviously tabloids etc. extensively cover royal families, so there’s some sourcing, the question is its quality) but let’s assume they are.

The titles of the articles include honorifics which we generally avoid (MOS:HON), unless that is the way the person is known among reliable sources. The problem is, most sources in those articles are either from the tabloid/celebrity press or royalist-leaning sources, both of which use the honorifics for obvious reasons. (Possibly some of those are not notable because there are no quality sources but I don’t really want to touch on that; at any rate, I doubt #1 would be deleted at AfD.)

What would be alternative titles? One option is to drop the titles: Pavlos of Greece (born 1967), Alexia of Greece and Denmark, etc.

Another option at least for Pavlos: there is one source in the article that refers to him as "Παύλος Γλύξμπουργκ". We could theoretically move the article to Pavlos Glücksburg but I have no idea whether To Vima is roughly representative of the mainstream press or a raging anti-monarchist outlet.

Ideas? TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:41, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Honorifics aside, I think we're approaching them no longer being notable as the monarchy has been gone for decades now. Members 2-5 in your list live normal average lives. Pavlos has the title right now, but his article is all about the downfall of the democracy when he was an infant/toddler, which is background that is or can be fully covered as part of the Greek royal family article. Prince Constantine Alexios of Greece and Denmark and Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark are even less notable. Grk1011 (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Παύλος Γλύξμπουργκ is the preferred form used in Greek-speaking sources by a wide margin. It isn't just some anti-monarchists using it, or, if we were to label outlets using it as anti-monarchist, then we would label the vast majority of the Greek press as such.
We are however using the terms used in English-language reliable sources. Are the sources currently used considered reliable? Maybe not, but I don't think we could find any more reliable ones using "Glücksburg", so I think it's more of a case of whether there are even enough reliable sources for the articles to pass the notability criterion.
As the former heir, there seems to be enough coverage of Pavlos, but I'm not sure about the rest of the family. Antondimak (talk) 11:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]