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Request for establishing a naming consensus[edit]

How should the pre-Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 leagues be named? The current naming is inconsistent, as the articles reside under two different names in their respective categories (see Category:Ligue 1 seasons and Category:Ligue 2 seasons). It would be nice if this task force could work something out for this. :-) --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 08:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The leagues were simply named Division 1 and Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be any need for the "French football... " qualifier in those season articles so I think they should be renamed. However, seeing as this task force currently consists of just me(!) I would hardly want to take it solely upon myself to make such a decision. Big Dom 08:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you currently are a one-man show as well. Have you already tried to approach suitable member candidates like Joao10Siamun (talk · contribs) via their talk pages? Personal invitation often works better than general "joining calls"...

As for the name – I think that "Division 1" is a tad too general as there might be similarly named leagues elsewhere on the planet, especially in the African francophone areas. Hence, I am slightly leaning towards "French Division 1" instead, but that is just personal gusto. In any case, when eventually moving the articles, please make sure that the "[season] [league name]" format is used, as most of the articles also still are under the old naming scheme with the season added as a suffix.

Oh, and by the way, I took the liberty and created Category:Ligue 2 seasons for consistency reasons. :-) --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 08:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've left personal messages for several users, but so far there hasn't been any takers :-(

Liking the idea of French Division 1 for a name, it does remove some of the ambiguity. Seeing as we're unlikely to get much input here, perhaps a message at WT:FOOTY would be the best way to gauge some consensus. I agree that when the articles are moved, the years should go first. Thanks for creating that extra category, much appreciated. Big Dom 09:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have dropped a few lines at WT:FOOTY with a RfC on this topic. --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 09:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, hopefully it attract some more members to the task force. Big Dom 09:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"French Division 1" sounds good, but just as an alternative suggestion, how about "YYYY-YY Division 1 (France)"? – Pee Jay 11:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess "French Division 1" and "French Division 2" would be adequate enough. — Joao10Siamun (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Joao.--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Soceer-Holic's propositon, "XXXX-XX French Division 1" would probably be best. I'll be happy to join the French task force but I must warn you that my contributions would be restricted to maintenance work (tagging articles, creating templates and such) as I speak very little French. Cheers. Timbouctou (talk) 02:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I'm not French either and I struggle with the language fairly often :) Everyone is welcome to join, whether you can speak French or not. Big Dom 06:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I've tagged all articles in the Category:Football venues in France as belonging to this task force and I took the liberty of expanding the article on Stade Grimonprez-Jooris as it caught my eye. I'll proceed to renaming the league seasons to the "XXXX-XX French Division 1". Timbouctou (talk) 03:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good work Timbouctou.--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming categories[edit]

I noticed that some categories do not match articles' names. This is particularly true for clubs which have changed their names recently. Let's try to get a list to rename all these categories, here I go :

Category:Le Mans Union Club 72 to Category:Le Mans FC (and all subcats)
Category:AC Arles]] to Category:AC Arles-Avignon (and all subcats)
Category:Pau Football Club]] to Category:Pau FC
Category:FC Nantes Atlantique players to Category:FC Nantes players
Category:Stade Rennais FC to Category:Stade Rennais F.C. (and all subcats)
Category:ES Saint-Gratien to Category:L'Entente SSG

Does anyone see others ? Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stade Brestois to Category:Stade Brestois 29 — Joao10Siamun (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. Any others ? We could take all of them to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A few more:

If anyone wants to start a CfD discussion, that would be much appreciated. Big Dom 18:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added requests for renaming all of the above at the speedy renaming section of CfD. I've also tagged all Division 1, Division 2 and Coupe de France season articles for France task force, so that's done. Timbouctou (talk) 04:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. Thanks!--Latouffedisco (talk) 17:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The speedies have been declined so we will have to take them through a full CfD. Big Dom 13:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ligue de Football Professionnel[edit]

The Ligue de Football Professionnel has recently updated it's website. The update has made all the links from the old site dead, which sucks because I have used the LFP's match reports as references for mostly all of the player articles I have either contributed to or created. I'll fix them later when I get home from school tonight. I am just posting it here to let you guys know that if you have used a link from lfp.fr than you most likely have to change it to coincide with the site's update. Later. — Joao10Siamun (talk) 21:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified template:lfpfr. However, former numbers should be changed to a new format : lastname-firstname. Unfortunately, it should be done manually I think.--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I copied the template to template:lfpfr2, it is more easy to know which one changed and which is not. LazyJob (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources[edit]

I'm currently considering when to begin a substantial upgrade to an article about one of my childhood heroes and I've been struggling to find much content about his early years. This site has some information and this one has stats for two of his three seasons with Épinal, [1] [2] but not the first one, which indicates that he didn't play 100+ league matches for them. In a GA review, would those two websites be acceptable? Also, if anyone can help with the missing appearance data then I would be grateful. Argyle 4 Life^talk 17:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From experience I can say that FootballenFrance is a great accurate website, although not too sure about its reliability in a WP sense. Stats for French football can be quite difficult to find, apart from the last 20 years or so (although some clubs have dedicated stats sites for their own players). I think you're fighting a losing battle trying to find Championnat National (or lower leagues) appearance data from before 1996-97 to be honest (after that stat2foot (another accurate but possibly unreliable site) has appearance data for the top 4 divisions). The best site for players active in the last 5 or so seasons is Foot National, which has stats down to the CFA2. I realise that this might not be useful for you, but just letting people know what's out there. Sorry I can't help, I am also interested in learning of resources that other editors use.

By the way, if I had to guess I would say that someone has got the total of 104 from Football Manager (although I haven't checked). Cheers, Big Dom 18:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I did notice that you got Chamois Niortais to GA with Football en France included, while Footballdatabase.eu and stat2foot are included in Marouane Chamakh, so there are examples but I guess it depends on the review. One person would be happy with a debatable source while another wouldn't. I only need the 1994–95 National campaign for Friio but it has proved to be elusive so far. He made 57 appearances in the following two seasons so it's impossible that he played 104 league matches. Foot National is another great resource I agree and it'll be useful for another one of our great Frenchman. Argyle 4 Life^talk 19:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected his stats with Nîmes. LFP and Footballdatabase.eu seem to conflict on his league appearances, so I went with the more official source. It will be impossible to find his stats from the early days of the Championnat National. I tried SAS Épinal's website to see if the club had archives, but it doesn't. — JS^{Rant Away} 21:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help. LFP is a great website and it helped immensely for this guy. It looks like his 1994–95 appearances will remain unknown for now. Argyle 4 Life^talk 17:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked Football Manager and it seems that is where the stats came from. It gives 1994-95 - 32 apps 0 goals; 1995-96 - 40 apps 4 goals; 1996-97 - 32 caps 1 goal, which is definitely wrong. Big Dom 22:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's definitely wrong. I'm well covered from Nîmes onward, it's just a shame that there isn't much about his early years. Argyle 4 Life^talk 17:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

France football Seasons[edit]

Hey guys

I've been going though the Ligue 1 team pages recently and noticed a lot (almost all) are without season pages. I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right place or not but I was hoping to possibly get a few wikipedians involved in getting the France teams up to a level on-par if not better then the premier league! I've started the Lille season page but i'm fairly new so any advice would be awesome. Anybody keen please comment and we'll see if we can get Ligue 1 back on top!!!!

Thanks in advance - Pereirab04 (talk) 06:37, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

2013–14 in French football[edit]

Someone needs to go and update this article. It's been empty the entire season. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 13:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

B-Teams/Reserve Teams in infobox?[edit]

Hi all.

I have a question regarding b-teams/reserve teams and infoboxes. I've always understood that if a player has played a match for a b-team/reserve team, e.g. AS Monaco II, that it is supposed to be included in the player's infobox as French b-teams/reserve teams play in the French football pyramid (Championnat de France Amateur etc.); where as, say, a Premier League b-team/reserve team doesn't so therefore it shouldn't be included in an infobox with them. What's the guidelines? I've seen numerous articles that include b-team/reserve team in the infobox but bigger articles which get more attention, like Anthony Martial (who played for Monaco II in 2012–13), doesn't have it included in the infobox.

Thanks in advance,
R96Skinner (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Hello Davykamanzi and Liam E. Bekker, I noticed you guys are on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/France task force and are regular contributors at the moment, do you have any idea with my query? Cheers.
R96Skinner (talk) 19:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi R96Skinner, don't quote me on this but my understanding is that the Ligue 1, Bundesliga and La Liga reserves sides (there may be more) are included in the infobox because they play in professional/senior leagues, among other professional/senior clubs, whereas the Premier League reserve sides are still classed as amateur because they feature in a league where only other reserves sides are present. While I understand their inclusion, I personally hate that reserve team stats are included but I think it is within the guideline to include them. It isn't always enforced, though, and I've seen and edited pages that have made GA without those stats but yeah, add them if you can source them. Hope that helps. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 19:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's what I thought Liam E. Bekker. My feelings are mixed whether they should/shouldn't be included. Thanks for your help! Appreciate it. R96Skinner (talk) 20:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dieumerci Mbokani[edit]

There is an ongoing vandalism of Mbokani's article by multiple IP's. Can anyone protect it? Thanks!Pavlos1988 (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FC Le Chesnay 78[edit]

Can anyone tell me what league is the captioned club (FFF report) in? I have a hard time reading French. I would need this for writing Draft:Édouard Michut. Thanks. TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 03:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FCE Mérignac-Arlac[edit]

Hi folks. (cc @Gricehead:) I wonder whether FCE Mérignac-Arlac would be worthy of an article? I've frequently come across the club's name here on Wikipedia. The French article is at fr:Football Club des Écureuils de Mérignac-Arlac and it states that "It is the largest club in the Nouvelle-Aquitaine region in terms of number of members". We have quite a few mentions here: [3]. Rio Mavuba and Pierre Lees-Melou have played for them. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wary of quoting rules on notability for French football clubs, as someone will say I'm wrong. My thinking is usually based on what a club has to achieve to get sufficient WP:SIGCOV, and in my experience that usually means getting to tier 4 (Championnat National 2) or reaching the 9th round of the Coupe de France. So Mérignac-Arlac would require additional coverage for some other reason, having not reached either. The club has a women's section (Football Club Écureuils Mérignac-Arlac Féminin) which is arguably more notable in terms of level of competition than the men's section. You can get some idea of the history at [4] and [5] respectively. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]