Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cornwall/Guideline

Naming consensus

I've just added a section to the guideline about the "Cornwall, England, UK" naming consensus. The intention is that this should make it easier to explain to editors who change it in articles (whether in good faith or not). Happy to discuss.  —SMALLJIM  12:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it was a good idea to adopt this, I don't think the discussion was anything like large enough to produce a meaningful consensus, and I don't think having it in a guideline meantime is a good idea. --John (talk) 10:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

This naming format has been a silent consensus for several years, and is used in probably well over 1,000 articles now. My experience over the last two years or so is that apart from occasional irruptions of editors who remove "England" because of apparent Cornish Nationalist tendencies, etc., it has remained undisputed: as far as I recall no Cornwall-article-editor, once the guideline has been explained to them, has made any rational arguments against it.(*) My addition to the guideline was purely for the clarification purpose I described above. If you want to do something about changing the consensus, do - my only interest here is in supporting whatever the consensus may be.  —SMALLJIM  19:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

(*) My recall was faulty - there was this, and this, in 2011. I vaguely remember reading the first one at the time.  —SMALLJIM  20:59, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Issues

Regardless of the consensus reached some time ago, this guideline contains factual inaccuracies, incorrect assumptions and does not take into account recent devolution and naming conventions. This guideline in fact directly contradicts information published by the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names and the United NAtions Group of Experts of Geographical Names. It seems that editors conducted a poll to establish the consensus, without any reference to Toponymic Guidelines. instead using majority POV.

However, the most obvious flaw in this guideline is based on a more complicated constitutional issue. Which put simply is that Cornwall is not administered by England. Therefore defeating the main point of the consensus reached. This was the case even before 2014, but recent years have seen confirmation by the government on this issue. A Guy into Books (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Your statement is untrue. Cornwall is administered as part of England, and the 2014 decision on the minority status of Cornish people in no way changes that. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)