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"In other media" sections[edit]

Since this was the second time I was reverted on four different articles in this WikiProject, it’s time I request for a WikiProject stance on this. Has anyone else noticed that these sections have become very messy with a lot of unsourced information that easily makes the sections fall under WP:TRIVIA? Jalen Folf (talk) 17:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JalenFolf and StarTrekker: You're absolutely correct. Wikipedia is a fandom magnet, and keeps conning the public with the idea that supposedly anybody can and should edit. To the shock of all fandom, there are actual rules, so we are the bad guys! We gotta have WP:RS for each statement, and not of WP:UNDUE length. So the outside media must be based substantially on the subject, like an adaptation or at least a whole chapter or episode dedicated to it. Not trivial mentions or cameos, unless they are so numerous or reported upon for cameos that they achieve WP:N like with Stan Lee. With anything less than top tier notability, I sometimes summarize numerous mentions with "This subject became the featured subjects of several episodes television series." and followed by the several citations, as an exercise for the reader to follow. Or something like that. There's not always a need to directly summarize in prose everything in the world that's notable, and not always a need to purely delete everything. Sometimes in the edit summary or rarely on a Talk page, I'll link to the diff of a deletion of high quality unencylopedic fandom, and encourage somebody to migrate it to a fan site. Hey, keep up the good fight, y'all. — Smuckola(talk) 21:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Do we have any kind of consensus on the use of this term to describe different versions of the same comic book character? Is this a term widely used in fandom or something? I'm not able to turn up much on Google, but I have seen it used on a number of character articles. There is also Category:Incarnations of comics characters and its subcategories. Per Incarnation this seems to be a basically religious term (avatar was also once so but is now widely used outside of religion). I'm just curious to see what other people think about this usage. BOZ (talk) 06:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Yes, but is the word "incarnation" the right word? Or do we just prefer "version"? BOZ (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Incarnation" is simply a synonym for "version". For what it's worth, I was raised Catholic, and I don't perceive it to be distinctly religious in connotation. Nightscream (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you go to the Merriam-Webster definition, you'll see plenty of non-religious and appropriate use. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK thanks! BOZ (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Multiple Transformers deletion discussions[edit]

A user has mass-nominated a whole bunch of Transformers articles and other pages for deletion. Please see the following:

See also the related discussion at User talk:Grandmaster Huon#About Your Recent AfD Nominations. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good article reassessments for Barbara Gordon and Batgirl[edit]

Barbara Gordon and Batgirl have been nominated for good article reassessments. If you are interested in these discussions, please participate by adding your comments to the Barbara Gordon reassessment page and the Batgirl reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Religion of John Walker: U.S. Agent[edit]

User:JordiWild98 added the section U.S. Agent#Religion of John Walker: U.S. Agent. Is anything in that section appropriate to include at all? 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 00:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This was an edit of the previous version. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 01:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also note their comments at Talk:U.S. Agent#U.S.Agent's Religion. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 01:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging some recent contributors to this page for input, @Mike Christie, @Thebiguglyalien, @InfiniteNexus, @NatGertler, @Nightscream, @StarTrekker, @JalenFolf. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 03:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Completely inappropriate WP:Original research, and I've removed it as such. This is why it's almost never a good idea to use primary sources like comics as citations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I presented my thoughts on the US Agent talk page here. Most of the material was correctly removed, though I don't have a probblem with a small portion of the underlying facts incorporated into the origin section, under circumstances I described on the aforementioned talk pagee. Hope this helps. Nightscream (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jack Kirby question[edit]

I'm working on Argosy, and there's text in there from before I started work cited to:

  • Morrow, John, ed. (February 19, 2004). Collected Jack Kirby Collector. TwoMorrows Publishing. p. 129. ISBN 1893905004.

Does anyone have access to this? The text it cites is: Between 1989 and 1994, six issues were produced by Richard Kyle, at irregular intervals. Kyle had intended to revive the publication in the mid-1980s, but his financing collapsed. He had, however commissioned Jack Kirby to create a strip based on his early life in New York. Although Kyle was unable to secure fresh financing, he pushed ahead with publication in 1990. Issue 2 of the revived magazine included Kirby's "Street Code", shot as intended from the finished pencils. I'd like to confirm this supported by the source, and is not too closely paraphrased, and I'd also like to clarify the meaning. What does "shot from the finished pencils" mean? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If no one here has a copy, you might want to try asking at WP:RESOURCE. 2601:240:E200:3B60:E0FD:4466:64:7446 (talk) 03:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what it's worth, shot from the original pencils, I believe, refers to the fact that the work is uninked. Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks; that's helpful. I'm not sure I'm going to keep this in the article -- it's a bit specialist and isn't about the main run of the magazine, which had thousands of issues featuring many other things that need to be mentioned -- Tarzan, Zorro, Dr. Kildare, the Bermuda Triangle, and lots more. I might put a note about this on Talk:Jack Kirby to see if someone there wants to use it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:54, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As Killer Moff says, the printed pages were shot from Kirby's pencils rather than inked. It's the most notable thing about the Kyle run, from memory, and is quite a big deal as it was the first time a wide audience saw Kirby's pencilled artwork and appreciated his craft. It's supported by the source and paraphrased reasonably, if my memory is correct. You used to be able to see it via google sources, don't know if that is still the case. Hiding T 15:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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The article Supergirl (Ariella Kent) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

not notable

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Mach61 (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC) sorry for being lateReply[reply]

Agree that this is not notable, but I've made a WP:BOLD merge to List of DC Comics characters: K#Ariella Kent as an alternative to deletion. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Searchable sources?[edit]

Are there any good searchable secondary sources to find information for characters (especially lesser known ones)? The best I've found so far is either searching CBR and Screen Rant or trying to find digitized print articles in magazines like Wizard from around the time that the given character was notable. Are there any better, more efficient options for finding useful secondary sources? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tend to rely on Google Books a lot.★Trekker (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion debate for Flashpoint (Esleworlds)[edit]

The article Flashpoint (Elseworlds) is being nominated for deletion here. Any help on reaching a consensus would be great. Industrial Insect (talk) 23:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]