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how to install im still trying yet I dont see it in my preferences Darbymarby (talk) 20:17, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Darbymarby: Wikipedia:Twinkle#Quick info says:
  • If your account is very new, you will not be able to use Twinkle. You need to be autoconfirmed (at least four days old and have ten edits) to enable the Twinkle gadget.
PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
oh Darbymarby (talk) 21:33, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Modifying existing or adding custom Twinkle templates?[edit]

Hi! I've been using Twinkle a lot and really value it- I couldn't be so efficient editing Wikipedia without it.

I really love all the various Welcome and Warning templates that we can auto-insert onto User Talk Pages. Is it at all possible to modify the wording of these templates (maybe to simply some of the language, make it a bit less cookie-cutter, etc) or even add new templates from custom text I have created? (check my User Page where I've written a bunch of generic messages I often use, it would be cool to be able to use some of them in Twinkle..)

Or, as I suspect, does Twinkle only work with the existing Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace templates?

Thanks! Qcne (talk) 15:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Qcne, I agree that Twinkle is awesome. For changes to warning/welcome templates, you'd want to start a discussion on the talk page for the specific template and get consensus to change any wording. You can create your own templates, and configure Twinkle to list your custom templates in the dropdown (for you). The instruction text for custom warning configuration in Twinkle says You can add individual templates or user subpages. Schazjmd (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Awesome, thanks! Qcne (talk) 18:40, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Didn't turn on CSD/PROD/XFD logging until late July. Is there a way to add my previous month's logs?[edit]

I love logs, and I love data! Thus, I was pleased to discover the logging features of Twinkle so I can easily see all my CSDs, PRODs, and XFDs in one place!

Unfortunately I only found out about this feature in late July, so a good months worth of these activities are missing.

Is there a way to easily add these earlier missed activities to my Twinkle logs? Qcne (talk) 18:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unfortunately not. There's a discussion above about turning this on by default (Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#csd/prod/xfd: turn on userspace logging by default), but it did not achieve consensus due to privacy concerns. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But you said it was possible to "gather this info". Nardog (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh sorry, I thought the editor asked if there was an easy way to add them to their CSD log. If you just want an off-wiki list, this should do the trick: quarry:query/75658Novem Linguae (talk) 23:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add two file templates to the standard installations[edit]

The templates {{Maybe free media}} and {{Fake SVG}} would be useful to add to the standard installations for file tagging. I have added them to my own Twinkleoptions but I think more than me would find these templates useful.Jonteemil (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How widespread is the Fake SVG issue? It should be possible to detect quite automatically. Also should we ever have NFCC images in a vector format? That is easily detectable and could become an automatically populated category through templates. I can't say I'm a fan of maybe free media without a reason either. For most of them it's not obvious why someone thought it may be free which makes it difficult to remove even if you disagree which makes it an almost unactionable backlog. Please note that I'm not particularly experienced with files an others may very well disagree --Trialpears (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The thing is, Commons has always had both c:Template:Bad SVG (SVGs that mixes vector and raster graphics when it should be all vector) and c:Template:Fake SVG (SVGs that only has raster graphics, when it should be all vector), whereas Wikipedia, up until yesterday, only has had {{Bad SVG}} (which is already in Twinkle's standard installation). I however have now created {{Fake SVG}} here on Wikipedia as well since there is a usecase for it. The majority of the files tagged with {{Bad SVG}} here on Wikipedia are really {{Fake SVG}} but since the template hasn't existed until now people have used the Bad SVG template for bad as well as fake SVGs. How widespread it is, is hard to tell. There is probably a big dark figure of SVGs that haven't been tagged. If Wikipedia should host non-free SVGs or not is a completely different question which I'd say is irrelevant to this edit request to Twinkle. Jonteemil (talk) 23:02, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also should we ever have NFCC images in a vector format? That is easily detectable and could become an automatically populated category through templates. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this if you'd care to expand. Jonteemil (talk) 23:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They are probably referring to the practice of reducing the resolution of fair use images to comply with fair use law. Vector images are very sharp compared to raster images and may need to be converted to raster to do this. So I think they are questioning if vector images should ever be allowed for fair use. Images hosted on enwiki rather than commons are quite likely to be fair use rather than more permissively licensed. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, well, as I wrote that question should probably not be discussed here. Jonteemil (talk) 08:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
{{Maybe free media}} should be used on files tagged as non-free that in fact might be free. I can agree that perhaps adding the file to WP:FFD is bettee but there are SO MANY files that uploaders without thinking mark as non-free and if each and everyone of those would go to FFD than that page would have the backlog of backlogs. It also takes some time to change the license of a file since you have to do it manually. Therefore the template serves a purpose when you find a non-free file, that you might think is free. Then you can add {{Maybe free media}} and hope someone with more time can update the license or add it to FFD. The template is used on 12,151(!) files.Jonteemil (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Feature request for a papercut: Support Template:Being deleted as if it were a CSD tag[edit]

Right now in the WP:TFD lifecycle, admins can either close things directly (mostly using XFDCloser), or any user can close a TFD as delete or similar result with further work to be completed, which lands the template on WP:TFDH. While the template of interest is listed there, it has a {{being deleted}} tag on it. Then people work through those at some rate or another while using that page to track what needs to be done.

When the template gets done being worked through, the workflow is then to delete the template itself. A non-admin can either move the template to the final "ready to be deleted" section and tags the template with {{db-xfd}}, or an admin can simply delete the template. Sometimes, the "move over there" doesn't happen, most often when it's an admin who has worked on removing the template's uses. This leaves the {{being deleted}} template on the page.

Thus, the papercut: When I go to select CSD in the TW dialog, I have to do all the manual rigamarole (tag the bubble, cut-paste the link from {{being deleted}} and then removing the rest of the URL). Instead, I'd like to see TW select the appropriate G6 summary (XFD) and autofill the name of the nomination page to present the erstwhile admin with an easy "delete" button. Izno (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In other words, pull the {{{1}}} value from the template to pre-populate the G6 rationale location. Primefac (talk) 19:58, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This can be done at the template level itself. Twinkle prefills the deletion rationale from the #delete-reason element if present on the page. This exists on all deletion templates. So the request boils down to including that in {{being deleted}}. – SD0001 (talk) 10:24, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Super, I'll see about doing that. Primefac (talk) 11:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done. Primefac (talk) 11:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Courtesy ping to Izno, Plastikspork, and Explicit as a few of the primary TFDH-cleaners. Primefac (talk) 19:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Excellent. Izno (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request undeletion at WP:REFUND[edit]

It would be nifty to be able to request undeletions at WP:REFUND with directly at the page with Twinkle. Currently this is not possible; it has to be done manually. This function would be used in part at pages that have been deleted, to request its undeletion. The other usecase is for files. Non-free files are tagged with {{Orphaned non-free revisions}} and all but the most recent revision are hidden, see for example Special:Log/File:Manchester United FC crest.svg. Sometimes very simple files are originally, incorrectly, marked as non-free and when you correct the license to {{PD-textlogo}}, you can't import the file to Commons unless all revisions are unhidden, so it would be very useful to add the file to WP:REFUND using Twinkle. Jonteemil (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:IFK Trelleborg logo.svg would be a good example of a file, originally being licensed as non-free, while it actually was free and now the previous version needs to be unhidden. Jonteemil (talk) 09:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trying to bypass confirmation requirement[edit]

But it not work. Anyone have idea? MisDisUnIn (talk) 08:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you are referring to getting autoconfirmed, there is no way to "bypass" the 4 days requirement- and if there were, please don't try to game the system. The system exists for a reason. For what reason do you need access to Twinkle immediately? 331dot (talk) 08:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Addition of cleanup template[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if the templates Template:Cleanup colors and Template:Overcoloured could be included as options when tagging a page? Cheers! :3 F4U (they/it) 16:35, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want an easy way to request articles for merging in twinkle.[edit]

Doing it the conventional way is tedious, but I do not want to resort to using disruptive deletion nominations in order to get articles to be merged. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You need to stop attempting to merge anything, per this discussion on your talk page. Find a stub and start editing instead. Izno (talk) 22:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RM/TR error[edit]

Twice in the last few days, I've encountered an error when trying to propose uncontroversial technical move requests. The error message says "Adding entry at WP:RM/TR: failed to find target spot for the entry". It's prevented me entirely from using Twinkle to make these requests, leaving me to have to open discussions for them instead. I only first encountered the error at around 04:28, August 11, 2023, and again just now on multiple articles (one as a test). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry you're experiencing this inconvenience but please do not open RMs if you don't intend to. You can always list it on RMTR manually. Nardog (talk) 09:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A very fair point. I haven't manually added to RM/TR in so long that I forgot about that option and just did it as discussions because it was the one Twinkle option available. Thank you for removing both discussions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 09:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuietHere: I believe Twinkle looks for a specific HTML comment to decode WP:RM/TR, so I have restored it to the version that was current when Twinkle last edited the page successfully. That may have fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm getting a similar error from attempting to create a RM/TR with Twinkle. Certes (talk) 17:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Certes did you get it just then or was it before John of Reading's fix attempt? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
About 17:35 UTC today. Certes (talk) 18:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The code that handles this was changed in this patch that deployed on August 10. Perhaps I broke something with the new code. Will do some tests and see what I find. This diff probably wasn't needed, the new code targets the level 4 heading "Requests to revert undiscussed moves". Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Should be fixed now. Patch. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gadget on Pawiki[edit]

Pawiki has twinkle gadget (files created in 2018-19) and then I updated files from Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation And now i tried the gadget for protection, deleting an arricle but its not working. Is it possible to delete all the files and try new method twinkle starter for localisation? Will it be done via phabricator? KuldeepBurjBhalaike (Talk) 06:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@SD0001: If you have a minute, looks like a question about twinkle-starter. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the ping. @Kuldeepburjbhalaike Feel free to give twinkle-starter a try. But due to low adoption, it has not been fully tested on real wikis, so many issues are likely to be encountered which would need to be looked at. – SD0001 (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SD0001:, thanks for the reply, if you please tell, what will be process to add twinkle in pawiki? KuldeepBurjBhalaike (Talk) 03:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please see the README. Some familiarity with JavaScript is a prerequisite. – SD0001 (talk) 05:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kuldeepburjbhalaike Just a note: you need to create a tag called twinkle by using Tag management settings. —MdsShakil (talk) 19:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MdsShakil:, Created the tag. KuldeepBurjBhalaike (Talk) 00:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kuldeepburjbhalaike It's supposed to work now, but you need to localize it. —MdsShakil (talk) 03:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thank you very much. are mediawiki twinkle gadget files required for twinkle starter? or it work diffrently? KuldeepBurjBhalaike (Talk) 03:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not familiar with Twinkle Starter, so I can't confirm that. But for your wiki's current twinkle, they are required. —MdsShakil (talk) 06:17, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Warning preview displays superscript as subscript[edit]

When I preview a warning on a user, all superscript text in the warning preview will be displayed as subscript. For example, my signature, which should be "– dudhhr talkcontribssheher", is displayed as "– dudhhr talkcontribssheher". Thanks, – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 07:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's because of this CSS used in twinkle that nullifies sub/sup vertical alignments. I'm not sure why that's even present. – SD0001 (talk) 08:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Blame says 11 years ago by This, that and the other. Could try taking it out and see what happens. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Feature request: XfD bundle noms[edit]

Would it be possible to incorporate WP:BUNDLE nominations into Twinkle‘s XfD module? I imagine checking a box that says WP:BUNDLE nom? and then inputting a list of pages, or something like that. All it would need to do would be to add the XfD tag to the other pages (without changing the link to the XfD discussion page). Thanks :) Actualcpscm scrutinize, talk 15:25, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That would be a wonderful enhancement. Bundling is awkward, and before I finish using Twinkle multiple times, someone has usually jumped in to comment on what looks to them like an isolated nomination. (I tend to use a rationale of "Part of a bundle; please wait before commenting" then add the real rationale later, but that's not ideal.) Certes (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Welcome-unconstructive[edit]

Template:Welcome-unconstructive has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. #prodraxis connect 14:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Thanks" template[edit]

I seem to remember an option in Twinkle to add a "Thanks" template to a user page. Is this still available, or is there another easy way to do this? —danhash (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps you're thinking of WikiLove. Nardog (talk) 21:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New user warning template[edit]

Per Wikipedia_talk:Template_index/User_talk_namespace#What_template_to_warn_editor_about_failed_verification? this discussion, I realized that there is no suitable template for editors who introduce failed verification issues, wether intentionally or unintentionally. Therefore, I created the new template Template:Uw-fv1. Is it possible to add it to Twinkle so that it's easier to find? I suggest the description "content that is not supported by the cited source". Thanks (t · c) buidhe 03:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Twinkle RfD postings don't show the discussion on mobile (but do show the discussion when manually subst-ing)[edit]

Not quite sure where to post this, but I've always used Twinkle to start XfD discussions because it simplifies the workflow a lot. That being said, I found myself in need of nominating a bundle of redirects, (something I don't think Twinkle is able to do currently to my knowledge), and felt it would be best to just substitute the rfd template on all the redirect pages manually. However, the links between the twinkle-redirect nominations and the manual-redirect nomination seemed to be different shades of purple when clicked, which is something I hadn't experienced ever. Testing the two different versions on the Wikipedia mobile app, for some reason the RfD tag is invisible on mobile (which is what I had grown accustomed to for all RfDs I've seen), whereas the discussion box actually appeared for the redirects that I manually tagged.

This may not be a problem with Twinkle, and it could be something else that's an issue entirely (such as me subst-ing wrong). I did want to bring it up though because it doesn't look like Twinkle properly shows the RfD header on mobile whenever it XfDs a page, which I'm not sure why that might be. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Got any diffs? Got a WP:STEPSTOREPRODUCE? Is the main problem that the links are different colors, or that one of the templates is completely hidden on mobile? By the way, different color links usually means that you already clicked one but hadn't clicked the other. Your browser will change the color of a previously clicked link a bit. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Multiple issues in body issue[edit]

I used Twinkle to try to add a {{more citations needed}} tag to the top of the article, and it ended up putting it in the middle of another tag in a {{multiple issues}} tag in an article section. See this diff. I reported this issue before, so I guess it somehow broke again. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The original issue never got fixed. Lack of volunteer developers to write patches. It has a ticket though so that's a good first step. Maybe myself or someone will get a burst of energy and write patches for a bunch of tickets someday. That's how I originally got involved in Twinkle... I went through all the tickets and wrote like 25 patches for the easy ones. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for letting me know. Hopefully it gets addressed soon. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nominating drafts for deletion[edit]

Hello. Please consider adding the following warning/notice when a user tries to nominate a draft for deletion at MfD:

In general, drafts should not be nominated for deletion because they are not checked for notability or sanity. Problematic drafts are automatically deleted after six months of inactivity.

Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are there some recent noms that have caused problems? Got any diffs? In general, it is sometimes appropriate to MFD drafts, such as if an editor has exhausted the patience of AFC reviewers through various misbehaviors. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have participated in numerous time-consuming MfDs of problematic but ultimately harmless drafts, so yes, this is very much a real issue. But to address your point:

In general, it is not advisable to nominate drafts for deletion unless there are extenuating circumstances, because drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. Problematic drafts are automatically deleted after six months of inactivity.

InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protection template breaking AfD[edit]

I first noticed this when @Zoglophie fixed my error and I thought it was human, because we know I'm good at those. However, I just noticed that it happens when Twinkle adds the PP. Can this be fixed so as not to break AfDs? Let me know if more information is needed. Star Mississippi 16:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeap, looks like a bug. I created a ticket to get the process started. Thanks for reporting. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:07, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! Let me know if I can help further. Star Mississippi 01:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]