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XFD backlog
V Jun Jul Aug Sep Total
CfD 0 0 3 95 98
TfD 0 0 0 23 23
MfD 0 0 1 0 1
FfD 0 0 0 8 8
RfD 0 0 0 12 12
AfD 0 0 0 42 42

TFD day headers[edit]

Your comment is requested at User talk:AnomieBOT#TFDClerk where I have proposed updating the current table-based TFD headers to use divs instead. Izno (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"sure, good idea". Primefac (talk) 21:03, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, seems like a good idea. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:User templates val + Category:User val[edit]

Babel user information
val-0 This user has no knowledge of Vehes (or understands it with considerable difficulty).
val-1 This user has basic knowledge of Vehes.
val-2 This user has intermediate knowledge of Vehes.
val-3 This user has advanced knowledge of Vehes.
val-4 This user has near native speaker knowledge of Vehes.
val-5 This user has professional knowledge of Vehes.
val-N This user has a native understanding of Vehes.
val-N This user has a native understanding of Vehes.
Users by language

I don't know where to report this issue: all babelboxes in Category:User templates val use val as language code for Valencian language, but it's actually the language code for Vehes language. Compare the boxes I generated here using {{#Babel:val-0|val-1|val-2|val-3|val-4|val-5|val-N|val}}. After fixing this issue, we should also take care of moving Category:User val and its subcategories. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 14:48, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I suspect that Valencian (talk · contribs) set up the templates and categories without realising that val was not the language code for Valencian (which is vlca apparently) but actually for Vehes. The #babel: system is supposed to use exactly the same codes across all Wikis that use the MediaWiki software - something like 1,000 Wikis or more. See mw:Extension:Babel. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. I suggest to move Category:User templates val (and its templates) as well as Category:User val (and its subcategories) – changing val into vlca – without leaving redirects; and we should use a bot to fix all the entries to the wrong categories, that's essential to start a correct category for users who actually speak Vehes. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:00, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are less than 20 transclusions of all of the templates, no bot needed. Primefac (talk) 08:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fine. I'll try to fix them on my own then, but – in case I make any mistake – your contribution is always welcome. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 10:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Was away for the weekend and still catching up on things (both IRL and here) but I'll give a hand if I can. Primefac (talk) 11:08, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done: I edited and moved the templates, categorized them into Category:User templates vlca and fixed their respective entries, tagging the redirects I had to leave with {{db-g6}} and a link to this talk. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 11:42, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's the point of deleting unused templates?[edit]

They aren't misleading or non-constructive, just unused. No argument based on taking up space makes sense. Nominating them for deletion (or really, hiding them, since nothing is truly "deleted") kind of seems like a waste of time and energy.
Please prove me wrong. I want to contribute to TfD but can't care enough. These kind of nominations feel pointless. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 14:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I like to think of it the other way? What's the point of keeping code that's not being used? No matter how obscure something seems people will eventually run into it when doing some cleanup project or other. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm. It still seems like a waste of effort. If you live in an infinite house, and one day you come across some books you never read and don't plan to, you could track down a second-hand bookstore- or you could just move on and avoid the pointless hassle. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 14:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above house example is a disease and it's called compulsive hoarding. Gonnym (talk) 16:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But if you want a real answer then keeping around unused templates still requires work. If a template has WP:Lint errors then someone will need to fix them. If a template uses code (templates, modules, MediaWiki, css) code that has been removed or merged, it will need to be fixed. If a template gets vandalized and then used, someone will need to fix it (and unused templates usually don't have watchers). If an editor searches for a template and finds a few options and picks the unused and unmaintained one instead of the one that is maintained, then the readers will (usually) get an inferior experience. These are all real live costs to keeping around unused templates. Additionally, the editor experience is worse with multiple of similar templates, some unused and some not. It's harder to know what to use, and usually the documentation is lacking with the unused ones (unsurprisingly). And finally, while clearing out the backlog of unused templates, you can find templates that were removed (accident, vandalism, etc.) but should be used. Gonnym (talk) 16:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What Gonnym said. The infinite house analogy is a good one. If you have a bunch of stuff in your infinite house, and someone needs to dust or clean the house occasionally, or all of the bookshelves need to be oiled, or some other maintenance task needs to be performed, having more stuff in the house makes those tasks take longer. It's the same here. Changes are made to the MediaWiki software every week or two, and pages are deleted or moved, and some of those changes mean that pages need to be updated to continue working properly. Humans do that work, generally, especially in Template space. (Look at this edit history for one example: one creation edit, and then ten maintenance edits.) Asking humans to do necessary updating work on pages that are never used is pointless; it's better to take the time to delete those pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ahh, that makes sense. Maintenance remains necessary. Thanks. Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 16:35, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tagged testcases pages[edit]

The following testcases were tagged by the author in 2021 and 2022 but I guess the require hack does not work on testcases pages. Can an admin delete these?

Gonnym (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Primefac (talk) 08:47, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]