Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com

Using the Clipping function

If both Newspapers.com and Wikipedia editors would prefer that we use the clipping function then newspapers.com should generate the appropriate citation when the clipping is created. ~~~ Itsjustjody (talk) 12:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Aha, I figured out the trick to that. If the article is "High School Team Wins Championship" by Chris Mitchell, be sure to name the clip "High School Team Wins Championship/Chris Mitchell" and the url creates a perfect citation (you do still have to add the "via Newspapers.com" but it's a big timesaver). If you name the clip "Mitchell 1991" or some other shorthand, you're actually making more work for yourself, and for anyone else who uses the clip. Penny Richards (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Inaccurate newspaper names in clippings

Editors are cautioned to double-check whether newspaper names are generated accurately in the "clipping" function. We all love Newspapers.com, but there is a bug that needs to be kept in mind. Another editor recently brought to my attention that this clipping https://www.newspapers.com/clip/85070266/man-indicted-with-lively-in-attacking/ inaccurately gives the name of the newspaper as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. But apparently that is the name of the successor organization. If you look at the name of the newspaper at the top of the page, you can see that it is the "Pittsburgh Gazette Times," which evidently changed over time to become the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Good to keep in mind to ensure accurate citations. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 13:25, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen this as well. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Legacy version

Is there a way on Newspapers.com to chose whether you want to have the new version or legacy version of viewing pages? For me, it used to be set to the legacy version (which I liked), but now it only shows me the new version of viewing newspapers (which I don't like as much). Is there a setting that could give me the legacy version back? Thanks. (see this for what the legacy version looked like, this for the new version.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Access

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T322916

My newspapers.com access quit working. It displays a paywall suggesting I upgrade to a "Publisher Extra" subscription to view anything. I think it just means I need to process an annual renewal. I have followed the instructions above to go to My Library and view my applications, but that page shows no applications. What should I do? — Jacona (talk) 12:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jacona We have a temporary issue with Newspapers.com as part of our attempts to move them over to a more seamless mode of access. Hopefully things should return to normal later today - I'll update here when I know more. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Today I'm getting "Oops, we are having trouble loading results" on any request - perhaps a continuation of the problem? Mujinga (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I resolved my problem - most likely through the suggestion of Samwalton9 (WMF) to clear my cookies! Mujinga (talk) 16:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

issue converting clipping to citation

Is anyone else having issues with converting a clipping from newspapers.com into a citation in an article? I used to be able to find the article I want at newspapers.com, make the clipping, and save it. Then, in the Wikipedia article I can start a citation by pasting the saved URL and it automatically would make a citation. When I do that now, I get a message that indicates 'we could not make a citation...'. Any thoughts? Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@DaffodilOcean This is an unfortunate downside of us having moved Newspapers.com to proxy-based access so that applications are no longer needed. The URL in your address bar will look something like https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/clip/120085615/test-clipping/, whereas Citoid is expecting https://www.newspapers.com/clip/120085615/test-clipping/. We hope there could be a fix for this (T277655) but it's not being worked on right now. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Whatever you do, do not include the https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/... urls in any references (plain text or templated) because readers who do not have wikipedia library access cannot read the clippings at those urls.

There used to be a lot more of them but there are currently (as I write this) four articles that use these bad urls. Anyone with access to the library is invited to fix these.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk Thankfully here on enwiki I believe Citation bot is set up to un-proxy these URLs. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 16:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I noticed this when adding a citation from Newspapers.com yesterday. I used a clipping for Marjorie Yates (under 'Personal life'), and didn't realise I shouldn't use the Wiki Library link. Perhaps someone can fix it for me - and I hope that the problem is resolved so that I can get automatic citations as before. I had to enter the data in the fields manually instead. TrottieTrue (talk) 14:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

My workaround for this has been to create a bookmark toolbar button in Chrome to

• Move the current tab to a publicly accessible version of the URL, e.g. changing https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/foo to https://www.newspapers.com/foo
• Open a new tab to archive the page with archive.today
• Open a second new tab to archive the page with archive.org

To do this,

1. Browse to https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org
2. Click the padlock icon in the address bar and select Site settings.
3. Change the "Pop-ups and redirects" permission to Allow.
4. If you use NewspaperArchive, repeat the steps above with https://access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org
5. Create a new bookmark in the Bookmarks bar folder, with the following in the URL field:

javascript:var url = window.location.toString();var newurl = url.replace('www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org', 'www.newspapers.com');var newurl = newurl.replace('access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org', 'newspaperarchive.com');window.location = newurl;void(window.open('http://archive.today/?run=1&url=%27+encodeURIComponent(newurl)));void(window.open(%27https://web.archive.org/save/%27+encodeURIComponent(newurl)));

The button can also be used to archive pages on other sites, without affecting the URL.

I don't write much JavaScript, and there are doubtless more elegant ways to code this, but it does work and I've found it quite useful. Nick Number (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Thanks for details and tips. I will see about what workarounds I can figure out while this is being worked on. I updated the URLs for the ones I put in with the incorrect links. Thanks everyone. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Thanks for this life saver! It should be definitively added to the "Project page" tab. I was already getting frustrated thinking that I wouldn't be able to use the clippings for citations!--GDuwenHoller! 18:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Great, I'm glad it was helpful. Nick Number (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Help with renewal

Could someone help me out? See Wikipedia_talk:The_Wikipedia_Library#Help_with_account_renewal. (BTW, as I was starting this thread, I saw a message that read "If your access is expired and you want to renew, visit "My Library", click "My applications" and click the "Request renewal" button next to your previous application." - I went to the applications page, but it only said "no applications right now") BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I believe they're moving to a different access model, and you'll be able to use Newspapers.com without an annual renewal--so those buttons and applications aren't necessary anymore. This is a relatively recent change so your timing might just be unlucky. Penny Richards (talk) 03:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Penny Richards: Is there any way that, I don't know, an exception or something could be made for me? I kind of liked the old way better and the url issue (above) seems way too complicated for me to be able to fix at the rate that I use newspapers.com. (Plus I don't like that under the new format I'll have to create a new account, it seems, and lose all my clipping history!) BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I've been able to use my old Newspapers.com account for clippings. If you use the Access collection link from the My Library page, you should be able to search as usual, and then when you want to take a clipping, click the "Sign In" link when prompted, enter your old credentials, and hit "Sign in with Newspapers.com". The new clipping will have an unfriendly URL, but you can use the bookmarklet I posted in the thread above to easily convert it to the regular format and archive the page in one step. Nick Number (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Number: I was able to use my account, but still can't fix the url problem as I don't have Chrome. Do you have any idea of how to do that in Firefox? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I just tested the bookmarklet in Firefox and it works as expected. The only difference is, to allow pop-ups for www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org and access-newspaperarchive-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org, click the padlock, select "Connection secure", "More information", "Permissions" tab, scroll down to "Open pop-up windows", uncheck "Use Default", and select "Allow". Nick Number (talk) 22:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

If you don't want to mess with the bookmarklet, you can manually change www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org to newspaperarchive.com in the address bar while viewing the clipping. Nick Number (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I've thought of that, but at the rate that I use it, it would take way too much time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I make dozens of clippings a day too--but the choices seem to be doing it Wikipedia Library's way (with all the work-arounds people are suggesting), or paying for your subscription so you can keep doing it your way. I don't mind making adjustments to my workflow for the continuing benefit of free access, but everyone weighs these things in their own way. Penny Richards (talk) 22:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)