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    Sports[edit]

    Dennis Freedman[edit]

    Dennis Freedman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    No indication of notability - fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Not one of the sources satisfies the independent, reliable and significant coverage requirement. Source analysis: 1, 5, 8, 10 are articles written by Freedman himself; 2 talks about how his phone started buzzing and him doing some interviews; 3, 4 are interviews of him with no editorial content; 6 is about his tweets, plus Sportskeeda is unreliable for notability purposes; 7 covers someone else's reply to his tweet; 9 is an opinion piece on an unreliable site which essentially says that his tweets are funny. A WP:BEFORE search turned up more such trivial coverage. Maduant (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Sportskeeda[edit]

    Sportskeeda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
    • Fails GNG and NCORP as none of the sources meets the requirements of "subject needs to have significant coverage by independent, reliable sources where by the source talks about the the subejct in depth and in lenght and not only passing mentioned.

    1. livemint info from interview which makes the source not independent 2. exchange4media interview peice from the CEO of the company which makes the source unreliable. 3.gadgets360 - Just a sentence mentioned of the company. 4. the print - a press release article 5.timesofindia - advertising content of the company 6. the indus bussinessline - could not able to read the whole article, but the source covers only 5 areas - company, market, options, portfolio and economy and have member subscription - does not look reliable source to me.

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    Cassiopeia talk 00:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


    Delete Could not find anything else on Google. — VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 12:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete. I did not manage to locate any significant coverage of the subject. Coverage in Hindi aren't any better, with only primary sources, trivial mentions and routine coverage (acquisition, company evaluations, etc). Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Major achievements in Olympic team ball sports by nation[edit]

    Major achievements in Olympic team ball sports by nation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Non-notable cross-categorization and synthesis to combine the results of team ball sports and not other Olympic sports. I'm a bit confused by the article because each sport has achievements for both the Olympics and other world championships, which furthers the oddity of combining ice hockey and water polo in one list. Moreover, it's largely duplicative of pages like Major achievements in basketball by nation and Major achievements in baseball and softball by nation, so there's no need to combine these tables here. Reywas92Talk 22:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Rewrite into a list of articles. The scope of this article seems weird, as there doesn't seem to be many instances where different countries' achievements in all ball sports are being discussed and compared together. Nevertheless, I think it might have some value as a directory to articles like Major achievements in baseball and softball by nation and Major achievements in basketball by nation. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Tutwakhamoe Already exists at List of major achievements in sports by nation. Reywas92Talk 22:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete There's not much of a guide to interpreting the tables, and once you've worked it out, it's clear this is basically a content fork as described in the nom - lists of major achievements that don't relate to a single sport of country are generally dubious, but being so specific here is just strange. Perhaps ping the main editors and offer draftification in case they want to make something useful from the data? (edit conflict) Or per the above suggestion. Kingsif (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete. A strange cross-categorisation for an article and as noted above similar content already exists elsewhere. Ajf773 (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete if there's encyclopedic content for specific sports, then articles for those sports can be created. But this catch all article for "ball sports" is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Dutch Olympic Sailing Team[edit]

    Dutch Olympic Sailing Team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Article is just a collection of navboxes. Not very many similar Country×Sport at the Olympic Games articles exist for non-teamsports. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 21:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    List of mainstream films with skiing scenes[edit]

    List of mainstream films with skiing scenes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    While the topic of ski films is notable, this seems to be an indiscriminate list and it seems doubtful that the references could justify a list of films that happen to feature a skiing scene. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Film, Sports, and Lists. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per WP:DELREASON#14: Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia. Specifically, this is entirely WP:INDISCRIMINATE. This is such a self-evidently misguided idea for an article that I got curious as to how it came about. It should come as no surprise that it was created as an effort to clean up the ski film article of a bunch of poor content that did not belong there by moving it to a different article. Of course, the proper course of action would have been to simply remove the poor content; as the essay WP:CARGO says: Moving bad content into a separate standalone article does not get rid of the bad content. TompaDompa (talk) 20:18, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Strong delete bizarrely arbitrary topic for an article if there ever was one. What about “list of mainstream films with chess-playing scenes”? Or “list of non-Western genre, non-equestrian-sport films to feature horse riding in some form”? Dronebogus (talk) 10:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep but raise the criterion bar to films about these sports and rename List of skiing and snowboarding films; possibly split in two. Both sports satisfy WP:NLIST: "The Best Ski And Snowboard Films Of 2022-23 You May Have Missed" (Forbes), 13 Movies About Skiing You Absolutely Need to Watch This Winter (Yahoo Sports), etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • That would change both the scope/contents and the title, which says something about the lack of viability of the current article. I would suggest that it would be better to start over, based on sources, rather than trying to add sources to a bunch of WP:Original research—the latter approach has a tendency to result in very poor quality articles indeed, just complete messes. If sources discuss the portrayal of skiing in films more than they discuss the films themselves, it might be more appropriate to create an article on skiing in film. Another option might be to cover films about skiing in the already-existing ski film article in a manner similar to how it's done at surf film (if sources do likewise). TompaDompa (talk) 17:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. I don't see how it is encyclopedic to list films where there is a mere few minutes of skiing in it. As mentioned above, a list of films where skiing is the primary focus, would be ok, but not built from this list. Ajf773 (talk) 02:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE --TheInsatiableOne (talk) 09:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. If there is an encyclopedic article such as List of skiing and snowboarding films, then no objection to that being created. But there is nothing encyclopedic and salvageable in this current article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    2006–07 Biathlon World Cup statistics[edit]

    2006–07 Biathlon World Cup statistics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
    2007–08 Biathlon World Cup statistics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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    Same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 FIFA World Cup statistics. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Yellowknife Curling Centre[edit]

    Yellowknife Curling Centre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Fails WP:NSPORT. Not a notable topic. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Keep. I believe the club is notable in my opinion, as it has sent countless teams to Canada's national curling championships (the Brier and Scotties Tournament of Hearts), which have been generally considered the top level of play in the sport of curling. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Ingrid Halstensen[edit]

    Ingrid Halstensen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Not notable journalist; no reliable sources about Ingrid NortonAngo (talk) 15:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Speedy Keep - I believe it meets the general notability guideline, it has enough references for a rather short article, and looking up Ingrid Halstensen shows multiple results in both English and Norwegian. The article is in 3 languages. I encourage you to use the find sources tool on this article, you'll plenty of references that show the subject is notable. Dylan | ✉ | ✓  15:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Comment on Speedy Keep: About the sources being reliable,
      • VG (Verdens Gang), one of the references used is the most read online newspaper in Norway.[1]
      • Aftenposten, another reference used, is Norway's largest printed newspaper.[2]
      • Nettavisen is a news source with no reliability issues. It is one of Norway's most popular news websites.
      • TV 2 (Norwegian TV channel) is the news source that she works for.

    References

    1. ^ https://medienorge.uib.no/statistikk/medium/avis/253
    2. ^ https://www.statista.com/statistics/633186/ranking-of-printed-newspapers-in-norway-by-circulation/

    Kyle Prior[edit]

    Kyle Prior (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    This footballer article was created under the old NFOOTY guidelines. He played 8 minutes in the Scottish Championship and spent some time on loan but he has not had a club for five years and appears to have fallen out of football.

    I can't see anything in the way of substantial coverage to show the subject meets GNG, only routine announcements and stuff from his club. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Planet Eclipse Ego[edit]

    Planet Eclipse Ego (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Completely non notable paintball marker/equipment. Whole article fails WP:NOTPROMO and has a history of it spanning many years. Ajf773 (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Dan Duquette Sports Academy[edit]

    Dan Duquette Sports Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Youth baseball academy/complex. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Badminton at the 1975 SEAP Games – Individual Event[edit]

    Badminton at the 1975 SEAP Games – Individual Event (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Also fails WP:NOTDB. I would also support a redirect to Badminton at the 1975 SEAP Games. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Keep, it's common practice to create separate pages for individual and team events to remove burden on the main page. See other SEA Games Badminton articles where singles, doubles, team all have distinct articles. You can find more sources when searching for this subject in NewspaperSG. This is a page related to Southeast Asian Games, where badminton is a hugely popular sport and the mass reporting was done on local newspapers, some of which are available at newspapersg. So when you say that this is an "indiscriminate" collection of facts, you are completely wrong. It has a high importance when looking it from the view of Badminton World, being a significant regional event. zoglophie 06:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    John Slingsby[edit]

    John Slingsby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    WP:NOTDATABASE - little information exists, that which exist is a line in an external database which WP simply repeats. Nothing appears to exist which shows why this person was notable. JMWt (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • At worst this is a clear redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825), but I'll note immediately that the Cambridge source notes that his death, presumably, was noted in the Gentlemen's Magazine and also references another source. We're headed into NEXIST territory here - chances are as well that as a clergyman that there is a reasonable chance that other sources also exist. I've no idea how much detail Haygarth includes on him - we'd need an IP to come along and check for us probably. I'm not necessarily unhappy with a redirect - more detail can be added to the table - but I'd like to see what else we can find first - he'll also be in the Eton Register, for example. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep. I doubt a thorough WP:BEFORE has been conducted here, per BST there are likely to be contemporary sources on this guy. StickyWicket (talk) 20:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      We need RS that can be verified WP:V. Not ones that you postulate exist and therefore show notability. JMWt (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Verification isn't a problem - we know that he existed and what he did. WP:NEXIST is a reasonable call at this point given the references in the Ac Cam source that wjemather dug out and the fact that he was a clergyman which sometimes means we get half decent biographies - and it does rather depend on what exactly it says in Haygarth: is there a biography of him or does it simply list him on a scorecard? I won't have a chance to hit some archives on this for a little while and can't access Haygarth, but it's possible something might pop up - but I don't think there's any doubt that there will be sources there. The Gents Mag is sometimes accessible online - have you checked the ref that Ac Cam has on him from there? Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I'm not doubting your knowledge. I'm saying that without being able to look at them, we can't tell if they show notability. Not every person that went to Eton is notable, not every clergyman is notable, not everyone who has a write-up in Gentleman's Magazine is notable. Unless we look at the sources, how can we possibly know what they say - they may in fact be a passing mention. JMWt (talk) 10:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The relevant volume of The Gentleman's Magazine is available via Google Books ([1]). In the "clergy deceased" section, it contains the exactly same simple one-line death notice that was published in various newspapers at the time; nothing more. Other newspaper mentions are trivial (ordination listing, involvement in an old Etonians vs Gentlemen of England cricket match, his children's marriage announcement, etc.). Given what I've managed to find, I really don't see any merit to the claim/optimism that sources with significant coverage exist elsewhere. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Sorry, I didn't see this - distracted by the list of 1,200 articles... Thanks for finding the source - yes, I agree, we're looking at a redirect here. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825)#S For now I'll go with redirect on this one unless something significant is dug up that suggests a GNG pass while AfD is going on. Certainly shouldn't be deleted though with a clear redirect in place per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825). Per my comment above, lacks significant coverage and these is no reason to believe such coverage exists. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    List of Harvard Crimson in the NFL Draft[edit]

    List of Harvard Crimson in the NFL Draft (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Fails WP:NLIST and WP:GNG; the topic of "Harvard Crimson football players in the NFL draft" does not appear to be notable, and thus we should not have a list related to that topic. BilledMammal (talk) 22:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Player positions (paintball)[edit]

    Player positions (paintball) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Appears to be original research. Couldn't find any official termonology for it in any google search Ajf773 (talk) 10:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Boyaa Poker Tour[edit]

    Boyaa Poker Tour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Cross-wiki Spam СлаваУкраїні! 05:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
      1. "进击的BPT——博雅互动博雅国际扑克大赛成长历程" [Attacking BPT——Boyaa Interactive Boyaa International Poker Tournament Growth History] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2017-06-14. Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

        The article notes: "BPT（Boyaa Poker Tour），是由博雅互动倾力打造的全球性德州扑克竞技盛宴，截至2017年，赛事已经成功举办了三届。每一届BPT都有其独一无二的特点，也是博雅互动在赛事探索之路上的成长记录，现在我们就来回顾之前博雅互动举办的前三场博雅国际扑克大赛（Boyaa Poker Tour，下文简称“BPT大赛”）的精彩画面。"

        From Google Translate: "BPT (Boyaa Poker Tour) is a global Texas Hold'em competition created by Boyaa Interactive. As of 2017, the tournament has been successfully held for three sessions. Each BPT has its unique characteristics, and it is also the growth record of Boyaa Interactive on the road of event exploration. Now let’s review the interesting features of the first three Boyaa International Poker Tournaments (Boyaa Poker Tour, hereinafter referred to as “BPT Tournament”) held by Boyaa Interactive. ”)."

      2. "首个越南卫星赛成功落幕，2017博雅互动BPT即将开启" [The first Vietnam Satellite Tournament ended successfully, and the 2017 Boyaa Interactive BPT is about to start] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2017-06-20. Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

        The article notes: "近日，博雅互动2017博雅国际扑克大赛（BPT）全球卫星赛之越南河内站首战告捷！经过近14个小时的现场比拼，最终一名越南律师从72名选手中脱颖而出，赢得今年首张博雅互动BPT澳门总决赛邀请函以及大赛提供的现金奖励。"

        From Google Translate: "Recently, Boyaa Interactive 2017 Boyaa International Poker Tournament (BPT) Global Satellite Tournament in Hanoi, Vietnam won the first round! After nearly 14 hours of on-site competition, a Vietnamese lawyer finally stood out from 72 contestants and won the first invitation to the finals of Boyaa Interactive BPT Macau this year and the cash reward provided by the competition."

      3. "2017博雅互动BPT大赛正式开幕 DAY1共352人晋级" [The 2017 Boyaa Interactive BPT Contest officially opened, and a total of 352 people advanced on DAY1] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2017-10-30. Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

        The article notes: "10月28日，2017年博雅国际扑克大赛（Boyaa Poker Tour，简称“BPT”）正式开幕，近三个月来从线上选拔出来的全球五大赛区的600名选手在中国澳门巴比伦娱乐场汇聚一堂，共同向大赛设置的600万港币奖金与425亿游戏币进击。28-29日，大赛A、B两组的选手共有358人从DAY1 晋级到DAY2。"

        From Google Translate: "On October 28th, the 2017 Boyaa Poker Tour ("BPT") officially opened. In the past three months, 600 players from the five major regions in the world, selected online, gathered at the Babylon Casino in Macau, China , and jointly attack the 6 million Hong Kong dollar prize money and 42.5 billion game coins set by the competition. On the 28th and 29th, a total of 358 players from the A and B groups of the competition advanced from DAY1 to DAY2."

      4. Holloway, Chad (2015-10-02). "Professional Magician Mai Jie Wins 2015 Boyaa Poker Tournament for $113,628". PokerNews. Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

        The article notes: "Earlier this week, the 2015 Boyaa Poker Tournament (BPT) concluded at the Venetian Macau. The international tournament was organized by Boyaa Interactive, with Poker King Club as co-organizer, and saw 298 players battle it out for a share of a USD $500,000 prize pool. ... However, in the end it was Mai Jie, a professional magician, who won the title of Global Champion at the 2015 BPT and captured a HK$880,678 ($113,628) first-place prize."

      5. Yang, Yuboluo 杨虞波罗; Shen, 沈光倩, eds. (2016-10-24). "2016博雅国际扑克大赛开幕 首日228名选手成功晋级" [2016 Boyaa International Poker Tournament opens, 228 players successfully advanced on the first day]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

        The article notes: "10月22日下午，2016博雅国际扑克大赛（BPT）在澳门威尼斯人隆重开幕，来自全球5大赛区10余个国家的近300名选手在开赛前完成了比赛签到，并开始首日的征战，经过6个级别的角逐之后，228名选手成功晋级次日主赛。"

        From Google Translate: "On the afternoon of October 22, the 2016 Boyaa International Poker Tournament (BPT) was grandly opened at the Venetian Macao. Nearly 300 players from more than 10 countries in the world’s five major competition areas completed the game registration before the start of the game and started the first day of competition. After 6 levels of competition, 228 players successfully advanced to the next day's main event."

      6. Less significant coverage:
        1. "德州扑克"打天下" 博雅互动能否安然度过监管危机?" [Can Boyaa Interactive Survive the Regulatory Crisis?] (in Chinese). NetEase. 2018-04-23. Archived from the original on 2023-05-28. Retrieved 2023-05-28.

          The article provides one paragraph about the subject. The article notes: "除了线上游戏之外，博雅互动还在2015-2017年三年间举办了四届博雅国际扑克大赛(BPT)，吸引了来自全球数十个国家数百名选手参赛，具有一定的国际影响力。可以说，博雅互动基本上就靠德州扑克在打天下。"

          From Google Translate: "In addition to online games, Boyaa Interactive also held four Boyaa International Poker Tournaments (BPT) during the three years from 2015 to 2017, attracting hundreds of players from dozens of countries around the world to participate, which has a certain international influence."

      There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Boyaa Poker Tour (simplified Chinese: 博雅国际扑克大赛; traditional Chinese: 博雅國際撲克大賽) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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    2023 EuroCup Final[edit]

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    This final match seems to be adequately coverable in the article 2022–23 EuroCup Basketball. At best create a redirect from this article to 2022–23 EuroCup Basketball. Toddst1 (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Seb Jewell[edit]

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    Non-notable player, only coverage I can find is from match reports and a handful of interviews. Fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Primefac (talk) 08:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Keep There’s enough info out there to write a more comprehensive article, just needs major updating. RodneyParadeWanderer (talk) 19:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep he was a very established Premiership Player for a number of seasons, there must be enough sources to write a good short article on him.Skeene88 (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC) EDIT: I've now substantially updated the page, I believe that easily meets the criteria to be kept now.Skeene88 (talk) 16:12, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete. The Rugby Paper newsletter is written by him Red XN. The This is Local London source is a contributor piece written by a "young reporter", not a staff member. BLPs demand high-quality sources, amateur submissions don't cut it Red XN. The Rugby World piece is also a contributor submission, not professional journalism Red XN. The Bucks Free Press has less than a sentence of independent secondary coverage of Jewell, it's almost entirely quotes Red XN. The Express is GUNREL Red XN. BBC Sport is a routine trivial transaction announcement Red XN. JoelleJay (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Delete per JoelleJay's excellent sources analysis. If it wasn't a BLP, I think the contributor pieces would have barely passed the article through WP:GNG, however it is a BLP, and we need high-quality reliable sources. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    2016 Antonio Puerta Trophy[edit]

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    Contested PROD. Pre-season friendly of an annual nature, IMO appropriate for the trophy to have an article but not individual matches - no significance to this one in terms of the events other than the opposition being a foreign invitee, which can be summarised in a couple of lines in the overview article as has been done with some other years. Crowsus (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool A[edit]

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    Group 1, Pool A, of the Europe/Africa zone, for the playoffs, of the 2023 Billie Jean King Cup. Fails GNG. Nothing shows notability for Pool A of Group 1 of the playoffs. This article is all stats, BEFORE only showed stats and promo routine news.

    Redirect was disputed, but its not a good name for a redirect. Follows this closed AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B  // Timothy :: talk  09:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Khaled Soliman[edit]

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    I don't believe this former Olympian has enough notability for a standalone article. There are some small pieces online relating to his coaching career and brief mentions in newspaper archives. But nothing I can find contributes to GNG.

    As Soliman competed in both the foil and epee events, and is not mentioned in the Fencing at the 1984 Summer Olympics article, there is no obvious redirect target here as far as I can see. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    ٤ دول تشترك حتى الان ببطولة اكتوبر الدولية للسلاح بالقاهرة (4 countries are participating so far in the October International Arms Championship in Cairo) July 31, 1978, pg. 10
    فوز عبدالحميد صبحي ببطولة الجمهورية لسلاح سيف المبارزة (Abdul Hameed Sobhi won the National Sabre Fencing Championship) September 30, 1985, pg. 10
    "لجنة المسابقات تقرر بداء لدوري غدا وتأجيله بعد اسبوعين إلى يوم ١٤ ديسمبر" (The Competitions Committee decides to start the Games tomorrow and postpone them after two weeks to December 14th) August 31, 1989, pg. 10
    All of these sources discuss, although admittedly do not feature, him and his fencing, and I believe that, given their span and sustained coverage, it should satisfy the general guidelines at WP:N. If I had more time, I might be able to overcome the search engine issues - and it doesn't help that there was a footballer active at the same time with the same name - but hopefully this is sufficient to at least keep the article. Canadian Paul 03:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Redirect to 1984 Summer Olympics BLP, fails GNG and BIO, single ref in article is a database record, BEFORE showed routine sports news and mentions, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from IS RS. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  19:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Surely Egypt at the 1984 Summer Olympics is a better redirect target as he is mentioned in that article? MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Just a note that that part of the BLP guideline is there to make sure that information is truly verifiable, not gossip - it's saying where there are sources present about any detail that could be contentious, make sure they are good ones; it is not saying that a BLP cannot exist if the major sources supporting it are newspapers. Just to make sure you're applying the guideline correctly, since I've seen you quote that line in a few deletion discussions and it doesn't have anything to do with N. Kingsif (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Selorm Kuadey[edit]

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    Non-notable player, even by the somewhat more lax standards of the old WP:NSPORT (and definitely not by the new). Only news pre-death seem to be his signing which is routine/WP:MILL coverage. The contesting of the PROD initially placed on the article would seem to indicate that because of his manner of death he is notable, but I would counter that it would then be a borderline BLP1E case if the only significant coverage is for that single event. Primefac (talk) 11:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Keep More sources would help this article. If more sporting statistics can be found, then add those as well. More info about the subject”s death would also be recommended. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:37, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Very little in the way of statistics. He played one season for England U20 in 2007, can’t find any stats on that. 17 total appearances for Sale with two tries.
      https://www.itsrugby.co.uk/players/selorm-kuadey-4460.html
      RodneyParadeWanderer (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete per nom. Fails GNG and BIO. Sources in the article are stats and obits, nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV. Two Keep votes found no sources during their BEFOREs so there is nothing else to eval.  // Timothy :: talk  18:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Strong Delete: Doesn't care about the article's itself. It did fail WP:GNG. Agreed with Timothy. CastJared (talk) 17:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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    List of Harvard Crimson in the NFL Draft[edit]

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    Fails WP:NLIST and WP:GNG; the topic of "Harvard Crimson football players in the NFL draft" does not appear to be notable, and thus we should not have a list related to that topic. BilledMammal (talk) 22:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Taye Barber[edit]

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    Was draftified, then returned to mainspace without improvement, and without a single in-depth source from an independent, reliable source. Fails GNG. Onel5969 TT me 22:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Weak keep as per sources above. The cited sources on the currently articles need to be replaced tho, as they are just routine coverage and online profiles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Tavon Rooks[edit]

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    Non-notable athlete, never played professionally. Was unable to find WP:SIGCOV. Contested PROD. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Delete: BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Two sources in article are short routine sports news pieces about draffs and one about a health issue. The two refs mentioned above that are not in the article are also mentions, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing wth subject directly and indepth from IS RS. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  18:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I would disagree that all the sources are "short routine sports news pieces"; for example, this one is actually 2,000 words on him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        Do we have any evidence that this isn't just a niche group-blog? Or even a one-man SPS? The Twitter link on the website goes straight to the personal account of "Matt Derrick". JoelleJay (talk) 21:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @JoelleJay: According to this it is affiliated with The Topeka Capital-Journal. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          That doesn't mean it has any editorial oversight by real journalists...it sounds more like one of the former beat writers just also wrote for TCJ. Without any indication of editorial policy it should be treated as SPS. JoelleJay (talk) 22:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          @JoelleJay: It sounds like they've got professional journalists, see for example this writer who also worked for SI and the Washington Times and this one for the Times-Picayune, The Kansas City Star and Associated Press. There's an article here titled "Topeka Capital-Journal, ChiefsDigest.com join forces" but its paywalled. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          That does not say Derrick worked for SI or WT, it just says "as seen in". His LinkedIn shows he only worked as a media content marketer/PR person before joining ChiefsDigest. While Teope is a legit journalist, according to the CJOnline article the partnership with TCJ only consisted of CD content being accessible from CJO and "available for publication" in TCJ, there is no indication it was under editorial supervision from TCJ. JoelleJay (talk) 22:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          Well even if it is not under supervision, the story under discussion was written by Teope so surely that one could be considered reliable, no? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          It would still fall under SPS, and per BLPSPS even expert SPS published in conjunction with news orgs cannot be used on BLPs if they aren't under the newspaper's editorial control: Some news organizations host online columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. JoelleJay (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          This above source in question [5] also an interview with the subject.  // Timothy :: talk  22:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          You can't discount sources solely because they have quotes – most sports reporting has that! BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          I calculated that out of 2,000 words in that news article on him, 1,174 is not quotes. You most certainly cannot simply dismiss such coverage as being an "interview." BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    1924 Michigan Mines football team[edit]

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    Fails WP:GNG. This was a less-than-average season (three games played, zero wins), unsupported by WP:SIGCOV, and sourced solely to the school's web site. At best per WP:NSEASONS, this might be suitable for grouping as part of a "decade" article on the Michigan Mines football program in the 1920s. Cbl62 (talk) 17:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    I am also nominating the following related page because it relates to an equally less-than-average season is is also unsupported by SIGCOV.

    1926 Michigan Mines football team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
    I am not opposed to some reasonable alternative to deletion, but keeping these as stand-alone articles does not appear to be viable. Cbl62 (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Dan Duquette Sports Academy[edit]

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    Youth baseball academy/complex. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Quintin Torres-Costa[edit]

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    Run of the mill former minor league baseball player. Lacks significant coverage to pass WP:GNG Yankees10 01:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Keep I see what appears to be four unique reliable sources on the page. West Hawaii Today, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, KHON, Hawaii Tribune-Herald. - Scarpy (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The sources also have to contain non-routine SIGCOV to meet GNG. They all seem like routine transfer announcements to me. JoelleJay (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    2023 EuroCup Final[edit]

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    This final match seems to be adequately coverable in the article 2022–23 EuroCup Basketball. At best create a redirect from this article to 2022–23 EuroCup Basketball. Toddst1 (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Bryce Maximus James[edit]

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    Marked for speedy deletion under category A10 as previous article, simply titled Bryce James is a redirect to his father LeBron James.

    If the editor that redirected that article, there is no reason IMHO that is worthy or recreating the article under another name. It is simply a way to get around an edit they don’t like. BostonMensa (talk) 14:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Bryce James BostonMensa (talk) 14:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Well, it was redirected to LeBron James from 2022 until Today when the redirect was changed. There are people that are very determined. BostonMensa (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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    • Comment Did a WP:BEFORE indicate if there was any WP:SIGCOV on the subject? Alvaldi (talk) 15:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete coverage is typical of this [6]. The kid is 15 yrs old, he likely won't be notable until at least college, other than having a famous father, that's about all there is. Oaktree b (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The article from The Sporting News is a secondary source that is independent of the subject, addresses it directly and in detail and is as far as I know from a reliable publication. That is, it is significant coverage. That said, GNG requires multiple SIGCOV over a sufficiently significant period of time which might be difficult for him to pass since coverage about him seems to have started around the second half of last year. As it stands, the best course of action would probably be to move the article to Bryce James (common name) and then redirect it to his father to preserve the article history since there is every indication that he will soon be notable enough to have an article. Plus, redirects are WP:CHEAP. Alvaldi (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I'd be ok with a !redirect, either way, not terribly fussed about either option. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete - This article is several years ahead of potential notability besides him being the son of a famous basketball player and potential college player. conman33 (. . .talk) 00:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Agreed. I’d have to reread the article but IIRC, he hasn’t had a particularly notable high school basketball career and notability is not inherited. BostonMensa (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect - no reason not to. Rlendog (talk) 21:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep - I don't know what you all are basing your not notable opinions on but I see significant coverage in independent sources cited in the article and I get many other hits in a news search. If the media is interested, the subject is notable. ~Kvng (talk) 14:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The most impressive things I see are his Scholarship and his father. I don’t see anything along the lines of when he was a sophomore, he became his school’s highest scorer, he was the MVP of the state championship tourney and the third leading scorer or rebounder. What is mentioned, like the scholarship offer, is no different than thousands of other athletes. BostonMensa (talk) 18:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Please specify what makes you think he is more notable than the high school athletes closest to where you live. BostonMensa (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    He is more notable than other local high school athletes because he's being reported on by multiple reliable sources. Sure, not necessarily because of his accomplishments but WP:GNG doesn't care about that. ~Kvng (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Seems flimsy argument at best. What I see here is he getting this attention because who is father is and I lost track of how many times people have said notability is not inherited. As far as I am concerned, it is about what he has accomplished, in this case on the basketball court and not the luck of the cosmic drawer on who his father is. I don’t see basketball accomplishments that make him as or more notable than his peers. 23:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC) BostonMensa (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You don't seem to disagree that he's received media attention. Sorry you don't like WP:BASIC. WP:INHERIT is about subjects that have not received their own coverage but are associated (e.g. by marriage, birth, etc.) with a notable subject. It certainly does not say that someone associated with a notable subject can't be notable. ~Kvng (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    Henry Ayres[edit]

    Henry Ayres (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Seemingly NN cricket player whose only claim of importance as allegedly having played only one "First-class cricket" match in 1829. Even this claim of importance seems improbable, since the term didn't come into use as defined today until May 1894. Toddst1 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Redirect. These kind of nominations are very tedious for all concerned. If a thorough WP:BEFORE has been conducted and no in-depth sources can be found, then WP:BOLD should be the way to go and in this case, redirected to List of English cricketers (1826–1840). PRODing or AfDing the article isn't really a constructive use of everyone's time, including the nominators. StickyWicket (talk) 16:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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    • Comment. First-class cricket was officially adopted as the term to describe major cricket in May 1894 by the MCC, though limited to matches in the United Kingdom. In 1947, the term was further defined by the ICC to encompass matches outside the United Kingdom, with individual cricket boards of the Test playing nations having the power to grant first-class status to matches (which remains the case to this day amongst the now 12 Full Members of the ICC). It is worth noting that the 1947 definition does not provide retrospective first-class status to pre-1894 matches, however, more recently the ICC allowed the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians to retrospectively apply first-class status to matches before 1894. Therefore, the first ever first-class match is retrospectively dated as Hampshire v England in 1772. So this player and the team he played for are first-class. So that part of the nomination is incorrect. StickyWicket (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect per Spiderone's decision. CastJared (talk) 17:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1826–1840)#A Unless anything else can be dug up on the subject that we don't already have (at least we have a YoB to go on from the christening) then I'm at redirect for now. Obviously a suitable redirect exists here per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1826–1840)#A would be the best option here. There might well be some sourcing out there in Sussex books, but I certainly don't have access to them. The list has already had details and sources added so there's nothing really to merge to it iirc. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    John Slingsby[edit]

    John Slingsby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    WP:NOTDATABASE - little information exists, that which exist is a line in an external database which WP simply repeats. Nothing appears to exist which shows why this person was notable. JMWt (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • At worst this is a clear redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825), but I'll note immediately that the Cambridge source notes that his death, presumably, was noted in the Gentlemen's Magazine and also references another source. We're headed into NEXIST territory here - chances are as well that as a clergyman that there is a reasonable chance that other sources also exist. I've no idea how much detail Haygarth includes on him - we'd need an IP to come along and check for us probably. I'm not necessarily unhappy with a redirect - more detail can be added to the table - but I'd like to see what else we can find first - he'll also be in the Eton Register, for example. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep. I doubt a thorough WP:BEFORE has been conducted here, per BST there are likely to be contemporary sources on this guy. StickyWicket (talk) 20:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      We need RS that can be verified WP:V. Not ones that you postulate exist and therefore show notability. JMWt (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Verification isn't a problem - we know that he existed and what he did. WP:NEXIST is a reasonable call at this point given the references in the Ac Cam source that wjemather dug out and the fact that he was a clergyman which sometimes means we get half decent biographies - and it does rather depend on what exactly it says in Haygarth: is there a biography of him or does it simply list him on a scorecard? I won't have a chance to hit some archives on this for a little while and can't access Haygarth, but it's possible something might pop up - but I don't think there's any doubt that there will be sources there. The Gents Mag is sometimes accessible online - have you checked the ref that Ac Cam has on him from there? Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I'm not doubting your knowledge. I'm saying that without being able to look at them, we can't tell if they show notability. Not every person that went to Eton is notable, not every clergyman is notable, not everyone who has a write-up in Gentleman's Magazine is notable. Unless we look at the sources, how can we possibly know what they say - they may in fact be a passing mention. JMWt (talk) 10:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      The relevant volume of The Gentleman's Magazine is available via Google Books ([7]). In the "clergy deceased" section, it contains the exactly same simple one-line death notice that was published in various newspapers at the time; nothing more. Other newspaper mentions are trivial (ordination listing, involvement in an old Etonians vs Gentlemen of England cricket match, his children's marriage announcement, etc.). Given what I've managed to find, I really don't see any merit to the claim/optimism that sources with significant coverage exist elsewhere. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Sorry, I didn't see this - distracted by the list of 1,200 articles... Thanks for finding the source - yes, I agree, we're looking at a redirect here. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825)#S For now I'll go with redirect on this one unless something significant is dug up that suggests a GNG pass while AfD is going on. Certainly shouldn't be deleted though with a clear redirect in place per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825). Per my comment above, lacks significant coverage and these is no reason to believe such coverage exists. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Proposed merge candidates[edit]

    Proposed deletion candidates[edit]

    Cue sports[edit]

    Martin Dziewialtowski[edit]

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    There are over 100 newspaper database matches for Dziewialtowski, but apart from a couple of paragraphs in the Aberdeen Evening Express for 26 November 1997, I couldn't find anything that amounts to more than brief, routine coverage of results. Looks to me like he fails to meet WP:GNG. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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    • Keep - going by newspaper coverage alone, you might have a point...but if we take Dziewialtowski as failing WP:GNG, I feel we will need to apply this to about half of all snooker player articles we have on Wikipedia. I'm happy to contribute to that process if that is the route we choose to take, but I believe it would be counter-productive to our aim of increasing the coverage of snooker here. I take the view that he meets the criteria for notability established here - [8] - having been ranked 68 at one point during a career lasting twelve years, and having been a quarter-finalist in a major tournament, the 1997 UK Championship. It's regrettable that there was only a passing mention of that achievement, but in my view, this should not detract from the fact that such an achievement - coupled with his albeit moderate career success - is sufficient for him to be notable here. Montgomery15 (talk) 20:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Montgomery15: I sympathise with your view but I don't think it accords with policy. Wikipedia:Notability (sports), which links to the page you mention, states that "The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from multiple reliable sources is available, given sufficient time to locate it." Near the top of the page that you link to, it says "Please note that the wikiproject advice below... should not be relied upon in the article deletion process, which is subject to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not wikiproject recommendations." If you know of any other coverage in reliable sources about Dziewialtowski, such as in books or other media, please share the details. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


    Cycling[edit]

    Tour de Cure (BC Cancer Foundation)[edit]

    Tour de Cure (BC Cancer Foundation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    notability issue: there are the limited number of independent secondary sources covering the event. 1 or 2 sources out of 3 are closely connected with the subject Edit.pdf (talk) 06:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Delete, I concur that there isn't notability here Kwkintegrator (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Keep, additional sources have been cited to address issues related to notability. Dekay00 (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Meron Abraham[edit]

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    Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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      Question: you haven't mentioned this in the nom; did you search for other sources including local sources? Jack4576 (talk) 15:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      I did a cursory Google search (in depth) reviewed multiple pages. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Comment I find it odd there are five articles that I created put up by same nom very recently. Are you looking through my article creations or Eritrean cyclists? This could be considered Wikihounding, as there looks to be some pretty obvious targeting. I will not start accusations yet, but it is starting to look this way. Therefore, I hope this pattern ends soon. Seacactus 13 (talk) 14:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      These are essentially bad quality articles that fall under the same topic, Eritrean cyclists. To suggest anything more than that would be ridiculous. Instead of declaring this, why not work on improving the bad quality articles you have created? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Keep National champion, continental champion and winner of a 2.1 level race. Seacactus 13 (talk) 14:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Alas, the merit of our Eritrean velocipedist, meeting NATHLETE standards, finds little succour in the face of SIGCOV's insufficiency. This does, however, impel me to cast my vote 'Keep', invoking the 'Ignore all rules' principle. It's a regrettable tableau of our policies, unintentionally playing the racist hand. I yearn for the dawn where our encyclopedic house embraces broader inclusivity, and not a parochial world view. Jack4576 (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Not a valid keep reason. JoelleJay (talk) 02:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Delete. No SIGCOV sources have been found (either here or from my own search), so NSPORT and GNG are not met. JoelleJay (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete: BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Source in article is stats, nothing else has been found. Keep votes did not provide sources and resorted to the invalid IAR claim to keep a BLP without sources. WP:BLP clearly states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  21:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Keep per WP:NCYC bullet point 5. Won a UCI category race (minimum classification 1.1 / 2.1, including Continental and National Championships). I am confident in SIGCOV as the sources used were enough to back up this article. WP:NBIO may be not satisfied but that is off the plate, as more adequate guidelines exist for sportspeople. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4 (talk) 03:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    To add, WP:GNG is to show presumed notability. It is not a necessary or sufficient condition for notability (but to be fair, in run of the mill cases, it is). 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4 (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The guideline for sportspeople requires GNG to be met, and to contain citation to SIGCOV in IRS sources, regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Since the subject meets no other SNG criteria, GNG is necessary for notability. JoelleJay (talk) 04:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Cycling Proposed deletions[edit]

    Deletion Review[edit]

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    Football[edit]

    Beysim Beysim[edit]

    Beysim Beysim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Same sort of case as Isus Angelov. There are trivial mentions in a few places but nothing that can be considered as WP:SIGCOV. Beysim doesn't seem to even meet the minimum of WP:SPORTBASIC #5. All 4 references used are trivial mentions. My own searches yielded more of the same. Gong mentions the player in two lists but does not address him in depth. Blitz merely says Besim Besim scored the only goal in the 85th minute. Xnews is just a simple passing mention in a match report. Those were the best sources that I could find. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    2020 Myanmar National League statistics[edit]

    2020 Myanmar National League statistics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Similar case to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of 2023 MNL statistics. Unnecessary WP:NOTSTATS article.

    Excessive listing of stats in addition to 2020 Myanmar National League, which is already significant enough on its own in terms of stats and we do not need any more stats articles on this subject. This article exhaustively lists every single goal scorer, assist and clean sheet in the entire season, which is too much in my view. For seasons of other leagues, the agreed standard is to have a separate section of the main season article dedicated to stats and only listing the goal scorers and clean sheets above a sensible cut-off point.

    See 2019–20 Premier League#Season statistics and 2019–20 Serie A#Season statistics as model examples of how this should look. 2020 Myanmar National League is fine as it is and this redundant extra stats article can just be deleted as there is no consensus that these are necessary. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    I agree that that one is also unnecessary. I have put a PROD on that one. It'll need a separate AfD if anyone wants to oppose that one. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:32, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    2004–05 Royal League statistics[edit]

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    2005–06 Royal League statistics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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    Same rationale as the precedent set here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 FIFA World Cup statistics. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Grzegorz Borawski[edit]

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    Relies on online database as a source. Found no significant coverage of the subject, fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Comment Interesting stats from worldfootball.net played a fair bit of club and European games. It's hard to get through some of the google results for this name. It could be possible to pass GNG, but I don't have my hopes up, I'd guess this player would only have enough to be notable to Polish wiki and not the English version. Govvy (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Weak delete. I cannot find anything to see NBIO met. According to pl wiki, he played in GKS Katowice and such, so perhaps he meets NFOOTYBIO, if it still exists? But the article needs to be expanded from the current sub-stub, and sourced, otherwise, it's just not acceptable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Kyle Prior[edit]

    Kyle Prior (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    This footballer article was created under the old NFOOTY guidelines. He played 8 minutes in the Scottish Championship and spent some time on loan but he has not had a club for five years and appears to have fallen out of football.

    I can't see anything in the way of substantial coverage to show the subject meets GNG, only routine announcements and stuff from his club. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Abdulaziz Al-Jalabi[edit]

    Abdulaziz Al-Jalabi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Seems to fail WP:SPORTBASIC #5 according to my Arabic searches. The best that I can find are Al Sharq, a squad list mention, and Al Khaleej, which mentions him once in a list of players. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Stavros Georgiou (footballer, born 2004)[edit]

    Stavros Georgiou (footballer, born 2004) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Was previously sent to draft at Draft:Stavros Georgiou (footballer, born 2004) and then submitted and declined with no improvement. This current version also doesn't address the issues and the subject still looks to fall short of WP:SPORTBASIC #5. The best sources that I could find in Greek were Alpha News, a copy and paste of a contract renewal press release issued by his employer, APOEL. Sport FM is also the same thing as above. Thema Sports mentions him in an under-19 match report, commenting that he scored 3 goals but the article does not address Georgiou in enough detail to build a meaningful biography. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Not a chance as the source does not address Georgiou directly and in detail. We can't build a biography from it. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    he is still young and yet to make an impact im a fan of apoel myself and he is still yet to do anything the only time he actually did something was ina 2-0 win against ermis but it was apoels worst season and only one in a decade tha apoel was in b group of cyprus league so apoel fans didnt really care about those games it was like the season already ended which is why there arent many sources on it im search for some but they are hard to find Demetrissss (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If he's "not done anything" that's probably a good indication that he's not notable. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Comment No Greek sources? APOEL is a big club, I would have assumed there should be better sources to add. Govvy (talk) 17:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Most of his appearances have been very brief and inconsequential, according to Soccerway at least, so that might explain why he hasn't made any headlines. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    he is still young and yet to make an impact im a fan of apoel myself and he is still yet to do anything the only time he actually did something was ina 2-0 win against ermis but it was apoels worst season and only one in a decade tha apoel was in b group of cyprus league so apoel fans didnt really care about those games it was like the season already ended which is why there arent many sources on it im search for some but they are hard to find Demetrissss (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    after lots of digging i found an article about his proffesional contract will it be enough to be considered notability? Demetrissss (talk) 15:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The fact that, by your admission, he has not yet made an impact makes him a case of WP:TOOSOON at best. I've already posted links above about his professional contract like Alpha News - I presume that the source that you are referring to is along the same lines - and explained why they don't confer notability. Articles that just copy a press release from his employer are not examples of significant, independent coverage. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Ioannis Tsoutsouki[edit]

    Ioannis Tsoutsouki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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    Declined a few times at Draft:Ioannis Tsoutsouki and this current version is no improvement. No evidence of WP:GNG or even the low bar of WP:SPORTBASIC #5 when searching in Greek (Ιωάννης Τσουτσούκης or Ιωάννης Τσουτσούκη). Phile News mentions him twice in an article based on an Instagram post from his employer. Sigma Live mentions him once, commenting that he has debuted. Kerkida (translated) mentions that he scored 4 goals in an under-19 fixture, without adding any further depth at all. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Leonel López Cortez[edit]

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    Soccer executive who fails GNG. Article is basically just a résumé. BlameRuiner (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]