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Football[edit]

Jamal Willer[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Ellary White[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tevin Slater[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Joel Quashie[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Kyaw Min Than (footballer)[edit]

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Aware of challenge of sourcing in Myanmar, but there's barely a claim to notability here let alone evidence thereof. A BEFORE shows nothing else to add from RS Star Mississippi 13:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Joe Scowcroft[edit]

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WP:NFOOTY is no longer a valid SNG, so GNG must be met. There is not enough coverage of this person to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tristan Marshall[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:18, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete without prejudice. At this time, Marshall does not meet the notability criteria (and the old NFOOTY guidelines are deprecated). Obviously, in future, he could go on to an international or professional career that would lead to significant coverage in the press or other reliable sources. However, it's speculative at this point, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so at this time, an article on him does not meet the guidelines. —C.Fred (talk) 13:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tyrone Prince[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete per WP:NSPORT. Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Georgios Kyriopoulos[edit]

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Was draftified once, and recreated in mainspace. The only option left is AfD. WP:NFOOTY is no longer a valid SNG, so GNG must be met. And this article does not. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman and @ Onel5969 - His name is in a different language, so you won't find a lot without searching in Greek. Once you start to search in Greek, there's several articles where he is the focus:

- https://www.panathinaikos-cosmos.com/569184/poios-einai-o-18chronos-giorgos-kyriopoylos-poy-ekane/

- https://www.dimokratiki.gr/17-12-2022/giorgos-kyriopoylos-kalos-mathitis-doyleytaras-kai-protathlitis/

- https://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/2179554/giorgos-kyriopoylos-kalos-mathitis-doyleyteras-kai-protathlitis-vid

- https://www.trifilara.gr/prasinos-os-to-2024-o-kyriopoulos/

- https://www.onsports.gr/podosfairo/story/806901/panathinaikos-volos-zesto-xeirokrotima-sto-ntempoyto-toy-kyriopoyloy-video

- https://talentabout.gr/2022/04/charoumenos-o-kyriopoulos-gia-to-protathlima-vid/

- https://www.bnsports.gr/face-to-face/articles/633027/o-giorgos-kyriopoulos-sto-bn-sports-to-100-gia-tin-protia-stin-elite-round

- https://www.vimapoliti.gr/athlitika/item/5852-dempoyto-kai-apotheosi-tou-18xronou-giorgou-kyriopoulou-apo-tous-filathlous-tou-pao

- https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/panathinaikos-aftos-itan-o-pektis-pou-trelane-ton-giovanovits-sto-youth-league/. Here's how I searched it: https://www.google.com/search?q=%CE%93%CE%B5%CF%8E%CF%81%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%9A%CF%85%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%BF%CF%82&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjig63Nn_r9AhU8F1kFHbPnA4c4FBDSlAl6BAgGEAI&biw=1920&bih=961&dpr=1#ip=1. Thanks.KatoKungLee (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draftify A case of WP:TOOSOON. Of the above sources, [1][2] and [3] are a retelling of gazzetta.gr article, [4] is an announcement from his club, [5] is a short non-significant story about him making his debut on 84th minute of a match, [6] is a short story with a video interview with him, [7] is an interview with him following a U-19 match. That leaves us with the above gazzetta.gr article and this article written less than two months later which fails WP:SUSTAINED. Draftify would be my first choice but I would also support delete. Alvaldi (talk) 19:57, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reginald Richardson[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:51, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTSPERSON and doesn't appear at a quick google search to have WP:SIGCOV. Patr2016 (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Didn't find any during a search and none has been presented here. Alvaldi (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gregson Hazell[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jadiel Chance[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hein Zeyar Lin[edit]

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Non-notable footy player. Sources cited don't come even close to meeting WP:GNG, and a search finds nothing better. Previously draftified (more than once) but the creator insists on publishing this, so here we are. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete and time to consider an article creation block given their unfamiliarity with notability standards.
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Delete - no evidence of notability. International players tend to get more coverage, but I can't see any. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Goran Jovanović (footballer, born 1976)[edit]

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WP:NFOOTY is no longer a valid SNG, so GNG must be met. Redirect was contested, so due to recent discussions at ANI, AfD is the only option. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:36, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Comment - Anyone who might think of trying to source this, do note that Goran's name is extremely common and there's at least 3 other players with the same name on this site. Do not try to search under the Serbian name listed - Горан Јовановић. You will not find anything and unless I'm doing this wrong, which is possible, and my guess is that the name may be wrong. I don't really expect him to be able to stay due to him being a pre-internet era player and due to his career not being super notable, but who knows.KatoKungLee (talk) 00:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bayu Aji[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage over a over a sufficiently significant period of time. Of the sources in the article, [8] is a trivial mention, [9] is trivial with two short quotes from his coach, [10] is an english translation of #2, [11] from 16/03/2023 discusses his debut but cutting out the primary qoutes and his feelings, we're left with that he played 20 minutes, [12] covers the same debut, [13] is a routine transfer story from January 2023. I was unable to find any better sources during a search. Alvaldi (talk) 09:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 13:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oronde Ash[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Melvin Andrews[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. I find lots of passing mentions, but nothing which reflects his career. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Omari Aldridge[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Futsal records in Indonesia[edit]

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Nothing here that doesn't fail WP:NOTSTATS, barely cited WP:TRIVIA. Can't see anything that couldn't be included in Indonesia Pro Futsal League, which already has far too much trivia. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:TRIVIA- nothing worth salvaging for a merge in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Steven Juncaj[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Of the sources in the article, [14],[15][16] are WP:PRIMARY sources, [17][18][19][20] are trivial mentions, [21] is a blog, [22] is PRIMARY with just quotes from the subject, [23] is a match report, [24] is a routine transfer report, [25] is a database source and [26] looks like a automatic compilation from a database that is part of massive amount of similar articles on the same site[27]. I was unable to find better sources during a search. Alvaldi (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep - [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], and [33] among more sources, all go into his background. Young player with ongoing career in fully pro Slovenian top flight (already 2+ games), which also receives coverage. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Das osmnezz These are the same sources as I covered above. [34] is a WP:PRIMARY source from the Football Association of Slovenia, [35] is a primary source from the National Premier Soccer League, [36] is a blog (from about Duchy of Taco is my eclectic personal blog project), [37] is a routine transfer report, [38] trivially mentions him as the son of George Juncaj, [39] has a trivial mention of him. Playing in a notable league does not make you notable as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Being young with an ongoing professional career does not make you notable per WP:NSPORTS. Getting only mentions in primary sources or trivial mentions in secondary sources does not make you notable per WP:GNG. All this you know very well, yet you continue to use the same faulty arguments and post the same low level of sources in every other football AfD there is. Alvaldi (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep, navijaskacona.si and npsl.com aren't PRIMARY sources since they aren't his direct employers, ie the clubs. Passes GNG IMO with significant coverage, although page could probably spruced up like any other.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, a league that has a direct interest in promoting teams and players within its ranks is never, ever an independent source. Alvaldi (talk) 09:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. Alvaldi gives a very thorough summary of the source deficiencies, including the obvious fact that governing sports orgs are not independent of players. And as always, Das osmnezz's refbombing with useless links is disruptive. JoelleJay (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Lack of non-primary sources to justify WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Malaysian football transfers 2010[edit]

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Not notable, sourced only to facebook and a blog Avilich (talk) 23:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Comment, there's a whole category of these articles: Category:Lists of Malaysian football transfers. Ajf773 (talk) 08:40, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - this topic of football transfers can be notable, but this one doesn't look to be. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

AFC Crewe[edit]

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Afaict, fails WP:GNG/WP:NORG. They exist, and had a little media coverage for a witty thing they did, but WP:TOOSOON. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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What about an interview on Sky Sports? Where do I submit this? I am honestly appalled at the determination at this community to pull everyone and anything down who even wants to make a progression in life. CreweNufan (talk) 23:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have been here for 1 day, trying to learn how this website works. Trying really hard to learn and it feels like it is a closed club where any error and we are chucked off. All we ask for is a bit of help. We have managed to obtain 1300 members from across the globe, signed a high level manager etc, this seems easy compared to just trying to get a wikipedia page. I have asked so many times for help. CreweNufan (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Read WP:N, for a start. That the club exists is not enough. If you can't provide the sources demanded at WP:N, there will be no WP-article. www.nufan.co.uk doesn't help, or other WP:ABOUTSELF sources. YES, it's quite difficult to make a WP-article without any previous WP-experience, and sometimes impossible because WP:N. So it is better to get some WP-experience first, then maybe try to make an article.

Wikipedia is not interested in what the club wants to say about itself, that is what their websites and social media are for. WP wants to now what, say, The Guardian says about it.

This discussion will be open for several days (probably at least a week or so), and consensus will be what it will be. What can save the article are good, independent WP:RS. If there are no more to be found atm, no article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @CreweNufan - I've had a lot of articles deleted here, so I've had my share of issues with the website as well. I don't agree with many of the rules and there's a lot of rules here that I'd like to see change. Basically to have an article here, the subject has to have a couple of independent sources where they are the main topic to prove notability.The football section also has some other guidelines that can help determine notability - https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Notability, which unfortunately, Crewe doesn't meet right now due to not being in the FA Cup for example. The Ronaldo thing was kind of clever, but there's also another rule that prevents articles where the subject is only famous for one thing (and the Ronaldo thing would be that) - https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#People_notable_for_only_one_event. Additionally, the website also has rules against self-promotion, which you have to be careful of in this situation - https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest. I'm sure you don't mean any harm by it, but this situation happens multiple times a day here with people using the site as a way to advertise themselves or do other things. The website really does have a lot of rules these days and the bar for entry is much higher than it used to be. That may eventually change and it may not. Crewe is probably not going to meet the notability guidelines at the moment, thought if you guys get can get some regular coverage by various newspapers, websites and so forth or happen to win like the FA Cup, you could probably get on here. You can feel free to ask me anything you'd like, and I'll be happy to assist you if I can.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note that WP:BIO1E applies to people, not organizations. However WP:SUSTAINED applies, so a brief bursts of news coverage, such as after the Ronaldo bid, is not enough to demonstrate notability. Also note that Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability is an essay (basically an advice) and not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline and as such has no bearing on football related notability. In this case, WP:ORG is the ruling guideline but it has pretty much the same critera as GNG, that the organization is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. A really good rule of thumb is to have WP:THREE significant sources in any articles you create. Alvaldi (talk) 10:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ping you? Sorry are you who decides what is put online? Why not give people a chance to actually grow something. There are multiple sources on there. We were on a national TV channel today for a live interview but if it isn't a link, it didn't happen. What do we do there? CreweNufan (talk) 23:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
CreweNufan - I believe you could cite that interview. I don't know if people will challenge it, but it would be worth a shot.KatoKungLee (talk) 00:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 10:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is a non league club. Are you expecting hundreds of column inches? It isn't a professional club. It is a club trying to grow and everyone on this community seems determined to undermine anyone progressing. Do you want the link for the interview on Sky Sports?! What about the hundreds of non league teams in the UK? Are they not allowed a wiki page? The negativity on this website is something I have never ever seen. CreweNufan (talk) 23:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@CreweNufan Wikipedia is a place for articles about subjects who have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject over a sufficiently significant period of time. It sounds like the club has yet to gain that kind of notability. Note that Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion, so you can't start a Wikipedia article about a non-notable club in an attempt to make it notable. Also note that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, so unless those non-league teams you mentioned have received significant coverage to pass WP:GNG then they neither have a place on Wikipedia. I highly recommend that you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not to gain a better understanding of how Wikipedia works. Alvaldi (talk) 10:05, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I will happily send you links to a podcast hosted on Apple with thousands of listeners and an interview with Sky Sports. We were even on German TV! Plus all the newspaper links. What more does everyone need? 217.38.78.254 (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject over a sufficiently significant period of time. Interviews, such as the one on The Price of Football are not independent of the club as the information in them about the club comes from an individual (the one being interviewed) who is affiliated with the club. Alvaldi (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s all a complete hypocrisy. If that is the case then a lot of clubs and articles need deleting then. I will start marking these then shall we? How do people get information? They ask it from the club or the person about the article. There are thousands of articles where an interview with a celebrity is quoted. That’s from a person saying it. It is clear there is an agenda here and we are never going to win. We will continue to grow and flourish. Unlike a lot of the people with the agenda. If you can’t win, don’t let anyone else progress seems to be a mantra. Very sad to see. 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are more than welcome to nominate for deletion articles of subjects, sport clubs or others, that fail their relevant inclusion criteria. Here is the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion that can aid you in that quest.

The only agenda here is to make sure that articles follow the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia.

Honestly, I hope your club does well and one day will be notable enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia. Alvaldi (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think I will be doing that, I think personally all parties deserve the right to have their information on the site. I have more things in life to show passion for rather than taking people down. I prefer to support people. Whilst I appreciate your positive words, and thank you for them, I personally don't think I will be bringing the club back to here unless someone else wants to write it. I have never met a community like this in my whole life. You only have to read the entry for Wikipedian on here to know what we all know. Unfortunately stopping others in making progression in life will not push you on in yours. We will continue and unfortunately just because we aren't able to reference us being on the number 1 sports news channel, doesn't mean it didn't happen. CreweNufan (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and comments above seem to indicate this is more about self-promotion that encyclopedic value. This club is currently well below the level we should be covering. Nigej (talk) 11:04, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please send me the citation reference for a Sky Sports interview and I will gladly put it up. We have at least 3 sources for reference. 2A02:C7F:5865:8C00:4465:1C8A:3EB8:89CB (talk) 11:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, doesn’t all information get put on could have self promotion element. In the nature of publishing information? There hasn’t been any sales type language used. What has been put has been all facts. Like we were on sky sports, pro sieben did send a film crew, we are top of the league. All facts but these were deleted. So we can’t win. Evidence can be provided but everyone seems to only want clubs of a certain size. Please advise. 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My advice is as above: the article ought to be deleted. Coverage about a gimmicky bid for Ronaldo or an interview or on a fan website are not the sort of significant coverage we're looking for here. Nigej (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In that case why are there pages for every other club other than football league? Can you answer that? I think there is no chance of us making any headway. Why don’t people just leave it as it is and we grow. The power has got to all of your heads unfortunately. Shame really. People just trying to get on life and progress a club. 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If a club without a significant coverage has an article on Wikipedia, then that article should be deleted. Alvaldi (talk) 14:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is live on sky sports news not deemed as decent coverage? It’s the premier sports news channel in the UK. What more do you want? 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, can you please explain why a link to a podcast is now being deleted? You are asking for links and sources. We provide them and Seasider is deleting. Who are they to decide that it just isn’t notable enough in their view. Shall we all sit around and pass judgement on everyone who’s an administrator? Please help and explain. 217.38.78.254 (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't answer the exact question. but we're looking for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The words "significant", "reliable sources" and "independent" are important. Weekly coverage in a quality national newspaper over an extended period would probably count. Stuff like podcasts is not really what we're about. Nigej (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How can every item on here have to have weekly column inches? There’s not enough writers and papers to do that. How will that be plausible? It is a starting club. Just getting coverage is significant. It is the notion of we’re that you’re on here passing judgement about what is significant in the world. Is there even a point in us trying? 217.38.78.254 (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia is not here to make your club notable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia were anyone can write an article about your club after it becomes notable. Alvaldi (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It should be like anything. It grows with us and grows as we do. We aren’t looking to use it. We use social media and football related info for that. This is a place which we can add to and grow as we grow. We aren’t looking to use it grow. Who does that? We are using it a record of our story. Simple as that. 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia is not a web host, see WP:NOTWEBHOST. Nigej (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The whole point of this "Articles for deletion" process is for people to pass judgement, based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The WP:notabilty of the article has been challenged and there is now a debate. After a week or so, someone will review the points made in the discussion and decide whether it should be kept or not, again based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. That's the process. Nigej (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it is clear what is going to happen based on the negativity above. No one is looking at anything positive about the community and the efforts being made. Very poor and sad to see. But it is what it is. We will continue to grow 217.38.78.254 (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Court cases are rarely won by the person who moans the most. Generally they are won (or at least they ought to be) based on points of law. Nigej (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No one is moaning if it’s a fair offer to make progress. Unfortunately all evidence is not allowed. We have multiple evidences such as tv interviews, German tv crews flying to us, podcasts etc, but unless this is written by the guardian then unfortunately for you guys on here, it never happened. I put a record being an 11-0 win, the opponent and a date and a reference with a link to the FA website showing this clearly happened and this was still deleted. How can we win? We can’t. I doubt I will an answer to this. It will be some link. Please advise. 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's possible that you are correct and that there's nothing positive about Wikipedia or any of the people who has it as a hobby. However, it's also possible that you are seen as someone who entered McDonalds, ordered pizza, and then got pissed off when people told you they didn't serve it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not at all. I assumed that this was a site whereby we could establish a base knowledge. Use the information that has happened, and then grow it as we grow. Had we made a claim that we were hosting the World Cup then yeah fair enough it’s clear it’s BS. But I have been putting in actual things that have happened and it’s a case of unless it fits the agenda and very specific thing you guys want it can’t happen. I was assigned you as a tutor but help hasn’t been forthcoming. It’s a very closed and non welcoming community IMO which I would be appalled at if we had this in our community. I was shocked. I would have thought that you would be keen to grow the site with knowledge and information and would guide new members through the process to help everyone grow in tandem. But this reception is something I have been shocked at if I’m honest 2A00:23EE:12C8:E933:7DE2:4792:8A10:4EF1 (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I just ask, what is the issue of leaving the page as it is with the links we have and grow it as we grow? Can someone please explain it, the information is there as per what has been deemed fine by the oracle that is Seasider? CreweNufan (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hamburg-Eimsbütteler Ballspiel-Club[edit]

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Has been tagged for months for improvement without any. Currently there is not a single decent source from an independent, reliable, secondary reference. Was draftified, and returned to mainspace, again without improvement. Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. English football clubs are considered notable if they played in the FA Cup (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability.) Hamburg-Eimsbütteler Ballspiel-Club played in the DFB-Pokal in 1953. (The DFB-Pokal is German equivalent of the FA Cup). The sourcing is an area where the article could be improved - but there are two citations to German newspaper articles and a citation to a German football archive, so the position is not as bad as the nominator thinks. The good days for this football club were in the pre-internet era. Good sources are likely to be old German-language year-books and newspaper articles. There is no possible reason for thinking that these do not exist.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - The team competed in the 1935 Tschammerpokal. The rules at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability state "England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria." The same rules apply to Germany and other countries with Fully professional Leagues. Other references are being added currently. KatoKungLee (talk) 13:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment - Neither of the above votes are based on policy. Recent discussions regarding sports related SNGs clearly indicate that GNG must be met. And currently this one does not.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed - there is AFD consensus that has deleted/redirected early FA Cup clubs. Giant Snowman 09:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment - Please see the updated references. I added around 10-15 links. There's about 15 more than can be added if needed here - https://www.eimsbuetteler-nachrichten.de/tag/hebc/ and there's another 12 that could be added from here - https://www.mopo.de/?s=HEBC. KatoKungLee (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Keep Easily passes GNG with multiple sources added for this historic German club. Onel5969 Can I ask why you feel the need to state in your nomination "Has been tagged for months for improvement without any." The article has only been around since January, I see no messages on the creators page, or the talk page for the article. When we talk about creating wikipedia as a group project of multiple uses, to me from my point of view, that seems the opposite here. Communication is key to creating a good article, but your lack of, does concern me. I see none of that surrounding the creation of this article at AfD. Govvy (talk) 13:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, have had multiple conversations with this editor regarding their poorly referenced and non-notable articles. His personal attacks have made further interaction kept to a minimum. I said "Has been tagged for months for improvement without any", because it's been tagged for months without improvement. There are no messages on the editors talk page because they have deleted multiple communications, including when this article was draftified. But thank you for the AGF. Would have been nice if they had done this work on the article before being forced to by this AfD.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It sometimes takes people time to realise the need to do some thing - but he/she is learning - for example.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - enough coverage. Giant Snowman 09:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harburger TB[edit]

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Has been tagged for months for improvement without any. Currently there is a single decent source from an independent, reliable, secondary reference (the Adenblatt article). Was draftified, and returned to mainspace, again without improvement. Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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A search for "harburger tb abendblatt" finds plenty of coverage from the Hamburger Abendblatt. I just added content using an Abendblatt article about the energetic renovation of the club's facilities. (Searching for "Adenblatt" won't get you far.)
Our German article, de:Harburger TB 1865, references three books: 1. Vereinslexikon (Enzyklopädie des deutschen Ligafußballs), 2. Legendäre Fußballvereine and 3. Fußball im Norden. 100 Jahre Norddeutscher Fußball-Verband. Geschichte, Chronik, Namen, Daten, Fakten, Zahlen. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment - Robby.is.on - I actually happen to have one of the editions of the Vereinslexikon, so I will add thatKatoKungLee (talk) 13:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep - Meets WP:GNG. The team competed in Oberliga Nord (1947–1963) (NOTE - Be careful as there was another Oberliga Nord which was the 4th division) in 1949-1954, which was the top division in the north of Germany as there was no national league yet. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability rules state: Teams that have played in the national cup (or the national tier(s) of the league structure in countries where no cup exists or in the countries whose national cup does not include all teams who play in the national league(s)) generally meet WP:GNG criteria. Teams that are not eligible for national cups must be shown to meet broader WP:N criteria. The Vereinlexikon book that I used is an independent book source, as is the Fußball-Lexikon book source I used, as is the Fußball-Oberliga Hamburg source I used, along with the various Adenblatt articles I'm going through now.KatoKungLee (talk) 14:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@KatoKungLee Just a pointer, Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline. I.e. it is not an official Wikipedia rule, it is merely an essay that contains the advice and/or opinions of the Football WikiProject. It even states that teams are required to meet the general notability guideline. Alvaldi (talk) 17:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep passes GNG per KatoKungLee. And I can 100% guarantee that a team that played years in the top level of German soccer will have further WP:OFFLINE coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment - Please see the updated references. There's possibly thousands that I didn't go into from the Hamburger Abenblatt - https://www.abendblatt.de/suche/?q=%22Harburger+TB%22&sort=neu&p=4 KatoKungLee (talk) 16:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep per updated sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Keep If the nominator had done his homework he would notice the rather older de:Harburger TB 1865 article, which passes GNG and would have known this shouldn't need to goto AfD what so ever. It's just as easy to goto WT:FOOTBALL and ask questions about articles, ask someone to improve them rather than just hoping someone will review the provide sources list which a lot of editors don't do. Issues have been addressed by going to AfD, but was that really necessary? Govvy (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Govvy - My concerns on the German article (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harburger_TB_1865) are Source #1 is a primary source, so it can't be used on its own. Source #2 - I don't have this book, so I really don't know what's inside of it. Additionally, I don't know if I can get in touch with someone who has it to use as a reference and I really hate to bug people to do stuff like that. I actually bought Source #3 but I also knew of the general format and what was inside, so there was no risk on the purchase. Source #4 is a broken URL and does not work, so it can't be used. I don't own nor can I see Source #5, so I also can't use that and would need to contact someone. For Source #6, I believe it could be written off as a database entry, though I would have been fine with using it. Personally, I felt my original sources were superior to those, but we're here. I would have hoped if anyone saw those German sources and knew they could have been used, they would have used them. I wish I could say that I believe my article can stay in its current state, but I've gotten various calls wrong here so I'm not a good judge. I honestly had no idea about various German newspapers until it was mentioned here. I didn't know how to get a newspapers account nor did I know of Google Books until recently here. But I have them now, so all is well that ends well. KatoKungLee (talk) 23:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@KatoKungLee: Try Source #4-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually, yes, since the editor refused to improve the article until it went to AfD. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep -article has improved. Thesixserra (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep per above reasons. Giant Snowman 09:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Glenn Ong Jing Jie[edit]

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Neither of the two sources that are currently in the article demonstrate WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG since one is a database page and the other is written by his employer, Lion City Sailors FC, so is not independent of Ong. Searches, including a Singaporean one, yielded nothing better than Straits Times, which is a few match report mentions, and Vavel, a squad list mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:12, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV sources. –dlthewave ☎ 20:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete: as much as I'd like to add information about Lion City Sailors and many other Asian teams, this player hasn't got enough notability, yet. Maybe, it would be better to just rewrite the article from scratch once he fulfills WP:GNG... Oltrepier (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ali Jan Faizi[edit]

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Due to a complete lack of coverage outside of databases, this clearly fails WP:SPORTBASIC#5 and WP:GNG, despite playing 46 minutes of a single international game 20 years ago then disappearing without further coverage, it would seem. Even searching in Persian (علی جان فیض) yields nothing decent. I oppose redirecting as he is not mentioned in any other article nor is there any article where he should be mentioned. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Lack of notability. Nocturnal781 (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete per nom. –dlthewave ☎ 20:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joshua Calderón[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 03:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 21:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Joeykai:, I found [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], among many more sources. Young player with ongoing international career (8+ appearances for Puerto Rico) and career abroad. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep per sources above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Of the sources that have been brought forward, I would say that these [45][46][47] are sufficient to meet GNG. –dlthewave ☎ 00:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - I agree that there's enough coverage to not require deleting this one Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep, especially if we manage to improve the article as a whole by using the aforementioned sources. Oltrepier (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rohit Thakur (soccer)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Current sources are trivial. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - was created when NFOOTY was a thing (and had seemed like would be beginning a promising career, which appears to have stalled). I wouldn't have made it now since NFOOTY has been revoked and little to no press coverage beyond trivial. RedPatch (talk) 22:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Zacari Hughes[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I am unsure whether to keep or not. Decent prose from a single source at de:Zac Hughes, I wonder if it can be expanded on from newspaper archive. In the meantime I am going with redirect to List of Rochdale A.F.C. players (1–24 appearances) (GiantSnowman) missed a trick?) Govvy (talk) 22:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete: Fails GNG. Insufficient sources for wiki article. // GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Current sources aren't even close to meeting GNG. Will reconsider if significant coverage is found. –dlthewave ☎ 00:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete: at its current state, I don't think this page can be kept, unfortunately... Maybe, could we manage to find more information on him through some of the reliable sources? Oltrepier (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul Harries[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep per sources already on article which show notability. Giant Snowman 20:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep per sources in the article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:08, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep? I go with it, but it's hard to determine the sources on offer in the article, there maybe better sources from the newspaper archive. Prose can certainly be expanded upon if the infobox is anything to go by. I certainly can see the concern where this nomination is coming from. Govvy (talk) 22:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep: Meets GNG (see 4th reference) // GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Sources are mostly routine announcements, although I'm not able to access the offline ones. Hack, could you describe the type of coverage that's in the offline sources that you added? –dlthewave ☎ 00:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Per above. Made 27+ fully pro appearances in English Football League and played in Australia top flight. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Akpo Godwin[edit]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Uhai (talk) 09:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Only one source [48] even comes close to SIGCOV; this isn't sufficient to establish notability. –dlthewave ☎ 00:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete I couldn't find anything per google search. Nasawakenan (talk) 9:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Celestine Onyeka Obi[edit]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Sourcing is just brief, routine announcements. –dlthewave ☎ 00:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lars Kindgen[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Of the five references included, 3 of them are sports database entries. Another is an interview, which as a primary source does not go towards notability. And the fifth, while in-depth, is from a source, erft-kurier, which I am not sure qualifies as a reliable source as it seems to be an advertising platform. Was draftified in hopes of improvment, but was returned to mainspace without improvement. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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@onel5969 - Please see the updated sources. Thanks.KatoKungLee (talk) 14:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Keep per Robby.is.on and KatoKungLee updates and citation population that has been added to the article since it was raised to AfD. To me there is enough to warrant a GNG pass. Regards. Govvy (talk) 10:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. What sources are significant? If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 21:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep - Per Govvy, Robby.is.on, and KatoKungLee. @GiantSnowman:, I found [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], and [54], among many more German sources. Definelty also has offline sources, having made 100+ appearances in fully pro German 2. Bundesliga in extensive 12+ year career during 1990s. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:14, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Not impressed by the level of coverage; these are mostly either passing mentions or interviews. –dlthewave ☎ 00:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Interviews are valid coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  - Which policy/guideline supports your position? WP:SIGCOV requires secondary sources, and WP:NOR makes it clear that interviews are considered primary sources for Wikipedia's purposes. –dlthewave ☎ 12:40, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment - while interviews are valid coverage, as they are primary sources, they do not go towards WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Fails GNG due to a lack of significant coverage. The article has been refbombed with databases/interviews/brief mentions and non independent of Kindgen sources. Dougal18 (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Peter Haworth (Footballer)[edit]

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The article states "Nothing is known about Peter Haworth except he deputised for John Lindsay, the regular Accrington goalkeeper and kept a clean-sheet in a 0–0 draw played at Thorneyholme Road against West Bromwich Albion on 8 February 1890." This seems to be an admission that the subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Spicy (talk) 05:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete per nom. As the article itself acknowledges, after one match he "disappeared into the obscurity from whence he came." Clarityfiend (talk) 06:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This player played for a top-flight club. However, as that club went bankrupt 130 years ago there are no books on players from Accrington F.C. The only sources for the reserve players who covered an injury etc., are ENFA on-line and on-line newspaper articles through The British Newspaper Library. The only book is Michaal Joyce whose book covers every Football League player from 1888 - 1939. I can add Joyce as a reference if that would save the article. I have proved Peter Haworth played one top-flight football match through the two sources I mentioned. My final point is consistency. There are many articles of other one match top-flight players that have not been deleted even when Joyce was the only source. Ultimately, it is up to Wikipedia. If you want articles on every player who played top-flight football in England then you need to consider a more flexible stance on the number of sources on players of the pre World War 1 era. If not, then I respect your decision but would repeat my point of inconsistency and that it would be a shame that a players 90 minutes of fame or infamy is not recorded for posterity and Wikipedia is the ONLY way of doing that. I leave the decision in your capable hands. BHKendler161148 (talk) 07:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Wikipedia is not a database of every top-tier footballer ever, english or otherwise and articles of other players with the same lack of coverage as Haworth should also be deleted. A redirect to Accrington F.C. is also fine in my opinion. Alvaldi (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Delete - I don't even think it merits a redirect to the club article. Giant Snowman 19:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - another casualty of the deprecation of NFOOTY. Fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Martín Canales[edit]

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Doesn't meet the old WP:NFOOTY guidelines as doesn't appear to have played in a professional league. Doesn't meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Note: removed American Football sort category as it does not apply to this subject. Frank Anchor 16:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak keep This is a dubious one. Santiago Morning is a professional team playing in the Chilean second league which is surprisingly or annoyingly named Primera B, suggesting it is better than it is. FWIW that is a professional league. I don't think he is a notable player though but passes barely our standards. --Bedivere (talk) 21:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, he does not. 'Our standards' are WP:GNG, it doesn't matter about the level of play. Giant Snowman 15:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Per Bdivere. @GiantSnowman:, I found [55], [56], [57], and [58] al of which go into his background, among many more sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First source looks OK, the rest less so. Not enough I don't think. Giant Snowman 15:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. GNG is not met. 1 is an interview in local news with little secondary content N. 2 is a trivial sentence prepending a quote from him N. 3 is from the same paper as #2 and contains a passing mention + quote N. 4 is another one-sentence passing mention N. JoelleJay (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Álvaro Villalón[edit]

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Doesn't meet the old WP:NFOOTY guidelines as doesn't appear to have played for any club when it may have been in the top professional league for that country. Doesn't meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rafael Olave[edit]

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Doesn't meet the old WP:NFOOTY guidelines as doesn't appear to have played in a professional league. Doesn't meet WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Since NFOOTY has been deprecated, WP:GNG must be met. And this doesn't.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nicolas Zambrano[edit]

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Doesn't meet even the old WP:NFOOTY guidelines as never played professional. So even less notable under WP:SPORTCRIT and can't pass WP:GNG — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Economia is the only even slightly decent source out of the ones used and it's not enough on its own. Searches yielded squad list mentions like NZ Herald and Stuff which do not help either. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. The single best source I could find is still short of providing WP:SIGCOV for WP:NOTABILITY purposes. Shawn Teller (talk) 20:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Since NFOOTY has been deprecated, WP:GNG must be met. And this doesn't.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. $Salvio giuliano$ 17:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alliance F.C.[edit]

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Fails GNG, NSPORTS, ORGCRIT. References in article are to stats, match results, ROUTINE sports reporting. BEFORE showed the same. Nothing that meets IS RS providing SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 16:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete per nom. No evidence of notability. Normally I would suggest redirecting to the club's league as an WP:ATD, but the league ("DSC Champions League") does not appear to have an article. Frank Anchor 14:33, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete - not notable. Vyvagaba (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Pawan Singh (footballer)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage is in the article and I was unable to find any during a search. Most of the sources in the article and those I found during a search only mention his fight in a U-20 game a month ago. Alvaldi (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [59], [60], [61] (all of which go into his background), and [62], among many more sources. Young player with ongoing career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Das osmnezz Three of these sources are from three day span in February of this year that mention his fight in a U-20 match. The fourth from less than a month later about him being kicked of the U-20 team. Outside of failing WP:SUSTAINED and WP:BIO1E, none of these sources have the significant coverage to push him pass GNG. Neither does being young and having and ongoing career. All this you know. Alvaldi (talk) 17:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, not sure we have significant coverage here. Giant Snowman 21:38, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. The first and third links above are literally identical, the first even says "Berikut profil dan biodata Pawan Pratap Singh pemain Fiji tersebut dikutip dari Suara.com." The second is from sportsstars.id, which has formulaic "profiles" on pretty much every athlete with a sports database presence. The fourth link is just repeating info from Fiji FA regarding the punching incident. Nowhere close to SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. Youth footballer without any credible coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Thesixserra (talk) 09:04, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New Zealand national football B team results[edit]

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Results for an unofficial team that doesn't have its own article either. Really the team doesn't require a page and isn't really notable, doesn't even exist in any form or have played for a number of years now — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 07:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Just because there isn't an exclusive page for New Zealand B doesn't give reason to delete the page. Since it says that the B team matches are not official, why don't you remove the B team pages for example South Korea or Australia?

Since it was not possible to develop an exclusive page for New Zealand B due to the few sources found and due to the lack of historical information, I went to develop a page only with the results because it was something more important than the team page itself. YangerAAS (talk) 13:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Draftify - normally I'd say merge to the B team article, but there is none. If an article for the B team can be developed, this information can then be added, instead of it going to waste and having to be restarted. RedPatch (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC) I now see that the B team had an article go through AfD and this information was on that page, but since the outcome was re-direct, this information exists in the page history. So withdrawing my comment as the purpose was to preserve the information in case it could be used, but it is already preserved. RedPatch (talk) 22:49, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Weak keep. Since there are no suitable pages to merge, it's not worth deleting everything. I'd suggest sending it to draft, but I'm not sure it'll do any good. Suitskvarts (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Griffith Vaissaire[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Avilich (talk) 15:02, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Weak keep: Although the subject hadn't much coverage, I managed to find 3 sources (1 & 2 & 3) and added them to the page. She plays for a Dutch club and two of the sources are in Dutch meaning that she managed to attract some local media attention in the Netherlands. AmshitBalcon (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Source 1 seems to be a translation of the 2nd (or the other way around), and neither that nor the 3rd say much more that she was called for the national team, so that's not a GNG pass. Avilich (talk) 20:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep - Per AmshitBalcon. I found 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, among many more Dutch sources. Clearly significant figure in Surinamese women's football with ongoing international career and club career abroad. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The ED source is paywalled. The others are the usual drivel you claim is GNG/SIGCOV. Vaissaire lives and plays in the Netherlands so doesn't have a "club career abroad". That shows your understanding of the sources. BTW playing football no longer makes someone notable so stop spamming AFD with that non argument. Dougal18 (talk) 13:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 21:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - If we look at the sources provided above, it is clear that most of them are versions of the same press release announcing a Suriname call-up for Vaissaire (and another diaspora player). This press release contains very little information about Vaissaire; she plays amateur football for SSS in the Topklasse (second level) and futsal for a club that competes in district-level tournaments. There is a Suriname match preview which drops her name, and a note that she won an award with her futsal team. This coverage is about all I could find online, and it is woefully short of satisfying the WP:GNG. Jogurney (talk) 18:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete. Sources clearly do not demonstrate GNG. Agreed with Dougal18 about spamming useless sources. JoelleJay (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Weak keep Needs additional citations Zangoaviation (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC) — Zangoaviation (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Reply[reply]
Delete - Sources do not meet GNG. Please stop spamming AfDs with passing mentions. –dlthewave ☎ 01:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jahzara Claxton[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Some sources exist but not enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep per below sources. Giant Snowman 19:13, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep A quick google search provided these sources about this two-sport athlete. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Even has a foreign article about her here. 10. Updated article with these and other sources - previous revision to current. Courtesy ping to @GiantSnowman: as requested above. Prominent figure in St Kitts sports, receiving a great deal of coverage with various news articles and a television appearance. Very good candidate for meeting Wikipedia:YOUNGATH. (PS you AfD'ed her on her birthday lol) RedPatch (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage above.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Leaning Weak keep. Of the above sources, #1 is by a Social media coach and consultant, #5 is written by the Minister of Sport on a Government run St. Kitts Nevis Information Service (SKINS), #6 and #7 are the same announcement from SKINS and #9 is an interview (PRIMARY). The rest might look good on the surface but when I go through the sources the feel rather thin. They are also from a span of 11 months so maybe WP:TOOSOON applies. Alvaldi (talk) 09:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I came to a similar conclusion when reviewing these sources. The tour reception pieces are largely primary, e.g. Samal Duggins – the Minister of Agriculture of St Kitts and Nevis, felt extremely proud while welcoming Jahzara Claxton; the reports on the minister's financial contribution are almost entirely quotes/describing what someone said/repeating stats from a non-independent source without analysis; and the pieces on her call-up to the U19 cricket team are also deficient (the one that includes the opinion statement She is an exceptional sports lady, and we salute her certainly cannot be considered independent). For YOUNGATH subjects local sources (and I don't see how newspapers from a community of <50k and ~100 mi² -- roughly equivalent in population and area to Casa Grande, Arizona -- can be considered anything other than "local") are almost always excluded from notability consideration; this leaves just the Guatemalan article, which is pretty barebones and mostly in the context of a match recap. I would definitely support draftifying until we see whether her performance on the West Indies women's U19 T20 squad garners more diverse coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

After giving it some thought, I'm switching to Draftify. It is just to soon at the moment. Alvaldi (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given the last two comments, I'm relisting to determine whether this article should be Kept or Draftified.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

~~Comment~~ Draftify - I don't believe there is SIGCOV of her football exploits, but perhaps there is something from her time in cricket. As noted above, there is some coverage of her selection to the West Indies' under-19 cricket team, but none of it looks in-depth to me. Maybe someone that follows cricket might have a better read? Jogurney (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Updating. Jogurney (talk) 19:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Draftify. Per the discussion above. JoelleJay (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per RedPatch and Ortizesp. WP:HEY also applies here. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep per @RedPatch: MetricMaster (talk) 08:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC) This user has made 47 edits to Wikipedia. Their contribution history shows that 38 of these were to AFD discussions. The account exists for votestacking and has been blocked.Reply[reply]

Kira Bertrand[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sources such as [63] and [64] are trivial. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep There are a good number of sources. Sure, some may be be trivial/routine, but there are some decent ones like 1, 2, and 3. While I agree that there are way too many permastubs on wikipedia, I would say when there is a large quantity of sourcing regarding a player to write a decent article covering many different events, it adds up to being acceptable enough for an article. This player is the 'sourced' captain of the national team as well, which is notable as well. While everyone on a team may not be notable, a lead figure such as a captain usually is. RedPatch (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The first source is routine coverage and the last two are no where near SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep, the sources on page look significant enough, especially one highlighting her captaining the national team. Enough to make a comprehensive page.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Not enough in-depth sources. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:50, 6 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep - Per RedPatch and Ortizesp. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep as other users have pointed out. The sources seem strong enough to support the page remaining. Surely, the page should be improved, but AfDs are no substitution for article cleanup.Historyday01 (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete Subject fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. None of the sources presented show SIGCOV. The first [65] is a trivial story, [66] is a primary source from her college and [67] is a trivial mention. Alvaldi (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete, agreed with Alvaldi. The first source is also very clearly not RS or independent (it's a submission from "EmoNews contributor" credited to DFA Media). JoelleJay (talk) 20:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - The article was here for a year and there were no issues until a poorly thought out rule change, that I ultimately believe will be temporary. Mass articles being deleted due to hot button issues are not what this site should be about. The sourcing looks fine to me.KatoKungLee (talk) 16:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG; while CONCACAF and League1 Ontario have issued some blurbs about her career (and she made an all-star roster), those are not independent coverage, nor are the many press releases about her signing or being added to her university's coaching staff. I simply can't find anything that isn't trivial or routine in reliable sources. Jogurney (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shawn Teller (talk) 00:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete - The refs in the article do not add up to enough significant, in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. It would help if those advocating Keep were more specific about how and which sources establish GNG for this article subject instead of just saying sources exist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment I already voted, but given she scored the first ever competitive goal for Dominica in women's international competition (as sourced in article), I also think that gives her a fairly notable status in the country's sporting history. I added it to the lead paragraph. RedPatch (talk) 01:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So what? That doesn't qualify for WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please don't say "So what?" It's dismissive of other editors. And this event could be SIGCOV if some media source decides to cover it some day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, regardless, it's totally irrelevant to determining notability now. The only possibly independent source anyone has even identified contains part of one sentence directly on her, in a 5-sentence routine announcement in local news. That is plainly insufficient. JoelleJay (talk) 04:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That was with the under-20 team, as she hasn't yet scored for the senior team, and it drew essentially zero attention in independent, reliable sources. Jogurney (talk) 13:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per WP:BASIC, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability There's various information cited from secondary sources such as [A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H. The fact that a sizeable article is able to be written is evidence of that given multiple independent sources were combined to create such an article. RedPatch (talk) 23:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

...Facebook and blogspot posts? Really? 1 is the trivial namedrop source from before

, 2 is an even more trivial mention

, 3 is the obvious press release from the Dominica Football Association from before

, 4 is a facebook post

, 5 is a blog post

, 6 is a press release from a non-independent org

, 7 is a school newspaper article

, and 8 is one sentence plus a quote

. BASIC is not met with trivial, unreliable, and non-independent sources. JoelleJay (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete The third source brought up by RedPatch has enough non-trivial content regarding Bertrand that I consider it to be significant, but that alone is not enough to pass GNG. The rest are all either non-independent or insignificant/trivial. Frank Anchor 14:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - Per RedPatch and Ortizesp. Shotgun pete (talk) 4:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Delete It's hard to find adequate sources when potential ones are mixed together with facebook posts, blogs and non-independent press releases, but, when this refbomb receives the attention it doesn't deserve, it becomes apparent that independent and significant coverage is not available anyway. Avilich (talk) 18:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - These sources are not significant coverage. –dlthewave ☎ 02:14, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - Sources are primary, interview quotes, promos, stats, social media, lots of articles about a party and a little ROUTINE news. Nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Nowhere near what a BLP needs. BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notabilty to avoid abuse. // Timothy :: talk 23:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]