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November 20[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 20, 2022.

Big hat boy[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete. CSD G7. Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be no usage of "big hat boy" to refer to this species of moth in particular. While the name does make some sense from the appearance of the moth's caterpillar and "Mad hatterpillar" is there as a common name, the article does not mention "big hat boy" in any capacity, and googling for terms like 'caterpillar "big hat boy"' or with the taxonomical name brings up no related results other than this wikipedia page itself. Randi Moth (talk) 22:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Sake no dengaku[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:45, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No mention anywhere on enwiki. Delete unless a mention can be added. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A quick DDG search shows that it is some sort of obscure salmon dish. It is not mentioned in the article so it should be deleted. RoostTC(Please ping me) 13:15, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If a mention were to be added, salmon as food would be a much more appropriate target. But it does seem like this is an obscure term likely not worthy of a redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as surprise since neither "sake" or "dengaku" refer to salmon. However, Dengaku (food) can be a possible new article to cover the glaze you put on tofu, and stuff that you would find on the Oden and Miso pages. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:35, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @AngusWOOF: Sake means "salmon" in Japanese, see [1] ansh.666 16:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above with no prejudice regarding article creation --Lenticel (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Salmon and Trout[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 28#Salmon and Trout

Bela River[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 28#Bela River

L. ferox[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#L. ferox

Equatorial[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was withdrawn. I'll proceed as a bold action, and anyone is free to revert that. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Earth's equator may seem like an obvious primary topic at first. But then if you look closer, you'd see that the adjective "equatorial" is more commonly used to describe tropical climates and habitats, or to refer to the celestial equator instead. It also has a few other, less common, uses (such as for orbits, coordinate systems or chemical bond orientations). Some idea of the usage can be gleaned from the way the term is linked on Wikipedia: There are about 130 instances where it links to the current primary topic [2] (as can be seen, in a lot of those cases the link should be changed), and about 470 where it links to something else [3].
Given the clear absence of a primary topic, I propose the creation of a dab page with the six meanings listed above (plus any that may be uncovered now). In fact, a dab page existed at this title for years, but it got turned into a redirect as the unexpected outcome of a recent AfD. Instead of seeking to reopen that discussion, I thought it was better to continue it here: AfD is not the best venue for discussing redirects or primary topics. Of course, the closer of this RfD should fully take into account the prior discussion (I'm pinging participants in case they have anything to add: LaundryPizza03, Dronebogus, BD2412, Mangoe, FormalDude). – Uanfala (talk) 18:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Here's also the clickthroughs from the time when this was a dab page: [4]. In October this year, the link to Tropics alone got more than 6x as many clicks as the link to Equator. – Uanfala (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deletion review. The Afd closed today with consensus to blank the previous disambiguation page and redirect to the current target. To come straight to Rfd to propose a new disambiguation page over the new redirect is procedurally out of line and could be seen as forum shopping to get around current consensus reached elsewhere (though I have no doubt the nominator's intentions are benevolent and sincere). If the close was possibly incorrect, or should not have been closed with the goal of further discussion, WP:DRV is the correct venue, not Rfd. Otherwise, I don't see how we can go against current consensus. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The key question is if there's a primary topic and in the AfD this was once asserted to be the case and then challenged, with no followup discussion. Calling that "consensus" is a bit of a stretch. Again, I don't think things can be helped by going back to AfD, or even worse, to DRV, for resolving a quesion that's really beyond the scope of those venues. And given the data above, I'd be really surprised if there's anyone left out there who genuinely believes redirecting to be a good idea. And if procedural correctness is to be preferred over common sense, then I could have just used a loophole: I could have just created the dab page I'm proposing above: it would be substantially different from the one discussed at AfD, so it wouldn't be bound by its outcome. – Uanfala (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree there may not have been consensus at Afd, and the proper venue to reach that determination is DRV, not here. I don't see how Afd wasn't the proper venue for the discussion- someone proposed there shouldn't be a dab page because all non-partial title matches could be covered at a redirect target (Afd being the proper venue to propose controversial WP:BLARs), whereas others countered that the solution is to revise the existing disambiguation page as an alternative to deletion or redirection. I'm all for WP:IAR and WP:SNOW, but there is just no justifiable basis for moving a closed discussion to a different venue with the goal of reaching a different consensus, when if fact doing so is against policy per WP:FORUMSHOP. Disambiguation may be the best outcome here, but this is not the way to about it given the Afd outcome as it currently stands. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • The AfD nom wanted the page deleted, so AfD was hands down the right venue for that. As for moving a closed discussion to a different, more suitable, venue: that's done all the time. I could have easily started an informal talk page thread with a round of pings to everyone, just like here. I really don't think there's the need to resort to high-level bureaucracy to deal with every minor unfinished business. I probably made a mistake here in going for a formal venue like RfD. – Uanfala (talk) 23:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, I realise now that it does feel weird to be having one formal discussion after another. Given that the case against the current primary topic is so obvious and granted that none of the previous participants have objected to this so far, I'm going to just withdraw this nomination and then create a dab page as a bold action. – Uanfala (talk) 12:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Gypsies[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Romani people. (non-admin closure) → lettherebedarklight → 晚安 → おやすみ → 05:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to primary topic Romani people. 162 etc. (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as is. The term “gypsy” can be seen as offensive; it is better to link to an explanation of the term than uncritically treat it as a mundane synonym. Dronebogus (talk) 20:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I'm nominating Gypsies. Gypsy already redirects to Romani people. 162 etc. (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Rank and file (chess)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#Rank and file (chess)

DemiRep[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. Nominator blocked as sock, further discussion has not elicited clear support for any particular outcome. No prejudice to renomination. signed, Rosguill talk 19:37, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No explanation at target page. BarleyButt (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)WP:STRIKESOCK Clyde!Franklin! 02:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 18:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Brassière or bra[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#Brassière or bra

The Captain(1967 book)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 17:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This was left over from a move in 2006 to the correctly formatted title The Captain (1967 book) because of what's standard WP:RDAB protocol-in this case, the lack of a space between the title and disambiguator. Delete this unless someone can provide a justification or alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 17:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Unlikely search term with a malformed disambiguator. Roostt•c(Please Ping me) 13:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel (talk) 00:21, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it was only at this title for around 8 minutes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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After the Rain (Michael Jones album)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Michael Jones (Canadian musician)#Original discography. Refined current target. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 04:27, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this redirect. Nothing links here, and nothing will ever link here. There's no need for it to exist. 73.86.46.50 (talk) 12:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist. The redirect was not tagged for discussion. I have done it now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 13:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Typhoon Nanmadol[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was procedural close. Request is now properly a requested move discussion at Talk:Typhoon Nanmadol (2022). Redirect has been retargeted back to its original target pending the outcome.(non-admin closure) Mdewman6 (talk) 20:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i requested a page move, none answered so i would like for Typhoon Nanmadol (2022) to be Typhoon Nanmadol since this redirect is blocking me from moving the page. 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru 🌀 SuperTyphoonNoru (talk) 05:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Westwood Mall (Omaha, Nebraska)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention at the target that the mall was known as "Westwood", or has the alternate name. This entry was never part of the Westwood Mall disambiguation page as well. A Google search for 'Westroads Mall Omaha "Westwood"' shows results where Westwood is a plaza, shopping center, cinema, golf course, etc. Delete. Jay 💬 05:19, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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July 4 1894[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#July 4 1894

Little Peeps[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#Little Peeps

Mud hen[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 27#Mud hen

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