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December 5[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 5, 2013.

Libertarian anarchism[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Anarchism. Thryduulf (talk) 13:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This term is not notable and redundant, given that libertarianism and anarchism are synonyms, per reliable sources. Redirect should be either deleted or the target moved to Anarchism. -- MisterDub (talk | contribs) 20:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • both redirect to anarchism per nom. this is hair splitting, probably by people active in the various groups, that dont have perspective on the whole subject.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What?! What reliable sources say libertarianism and anarchism are synonyms?? I would prefer to see both target articles merged as proposed, in which case both of these should be kept as redirects to the merged article. If they aren't merged, I would want both redirects to point to the same place, but don't care which of these two it should be. (I would oppose retargeting to Anarchism, which would be unhelpful.) --BDD (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also the merge discussion, which I un-archived since it was never closed. --BDD (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
BDD, the reliable sources to which I previously referred include Noam Chomsky, Frank Fernandez, Colin Ward, Murray Bookchin, and Peter Marshall. Also, in The Betrayal of the American Right, Murray Rothbard explains how "we, 'our side,' had captured a crucial word from the enemy," referring to the anarcho-capitalist adoption of the term libertarianism.
I'm not sure I see the relevance of the merger discussion either, as that seems to discuss the Free-market anarchism and Anarcho-capitalism articles, whereas this RfD is about the namespace for Libertarian anarchism. -- MisterDub (talk | contribs) 18:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, are you saying Anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism are synonyms? That makes more sense. In the nomination you said libertarianism and anarchism. The merge proposal is relevant, at least to me, because I think Anarcho-capitalism or Free-market anarchism should be the target for both of these redirects, but I don't know which, and a merge would solve that for me. --BDD (talk) 19:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am not saying that anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism are synonyms. This seems to be the kind of sectarian hair-splitting Mercurywoodrose mentioned: libertarian refers not only to anarcho-capitalists, but other anarchists as well, and it appears this redirect is being used to push a POV that other anarchists (aka libertarian socialists) aren't libertarians, despite contradictory claims in reliable sources. The merger then becomes irrelevant, though I would support such an endeavor. -- MisterDub (talk | contribs) 19:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I suppose I learned something, that Noam Chomsky and others see anarchism and libertarianism as synonymous. Someone once told me that a libertarian is just an anarchist in a top hat (i.e., someone who wants the government to do nothing but protect his money). But I'm concerned that, at least in the context of American politics, this is a very fringe view. Equating support for small government with support for no government is as rhetorically irresponsible as, say, equating the Democratic Party with the Communist. --BDD (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to anarchism. A searcher for the phrase "libertarian anarchism" could plausibly be looking for libertarian socialism rather than anarcho-capitalism. As an American I've rarely heard "libertarian" by itself refer to the socialist variety, but in association with "anarchism" it's clearly ambiguous. And we aren't just an American encyclopedia. 117.199.180.117 (talk) 15:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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FSOD[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 11:20, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Acronym not mentioned on the target page. It did not appear on it even at the time of creation of this redirect. Keφr 23:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep FSOD here means frozen screen of death, so the target article definitely addresses it. However, it also appears to mainly be an abbreviation for Florida School of Discipleship, so if an article on the school is ever created, FSOD should be retargeted there. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:21, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Frozen screen of death" does not appear on the target page either, nor did it at the time of creation. "Frozen screen of death" is a redlink. I doubt that this is a commonly used term. Keφr 18:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete i checked, its a very rarely used term when spelled out, and even less so as an acronym. i also dont see any other notable uses of this 4 letter acronym, so it doesnt need to be a disambig page either. If people are passionate, im ok with Frozen screen of death being a redirect to screen of death.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the principle of redirects is that they should not surprise the reader. Consequently, they should be explained at the target. In this case not only is the abbreviation not mentioned at the target neither is the full term. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an obscure synonym.--Lenticel (talk) 04:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Control knob[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy closed as now out of scope. Since the nomination the redirect has been converted to an article. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 19:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion, because a control knob is for inputting information whereas the target article ("measurement") describes dials for displaying information. Cheolsoo (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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