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2005 United States Grand Prix[edit]

I have renominated this article because the article has had a major re-write since it last failed and meets all the criteria in my opinion. Kingjamie 19:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First FAC.
  • Support - per nom Kingjamie 20:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lacking in sources. See, for example, the Team principals' plan and Race report sections. Gzkn 01:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I strongly recommend the use of American English spelling in this article, as it is about a US event. --Spangineerws (háblame) 04:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment That would take it out of sync with the majority - but not all - of the other Formula One articles. UK English is the usual concensus. We should also note that although the race took place in the US, of the significant individuals concerned only Tony George is American. I'm excluding sports broadcasters from that assessment. None of the teams and only one race driver (Jacques Villeneuve) is North American. (Scott Speed was only involved as a third driver). Neither of the tyre companies is American. Formula One itself is largely based in Europe and is owned by a UK company.
From WP:MoS: For example, with respect to British spelling as opposed to American spelling, it would only be acceptable to change from American spelling to British spelling if the article concerned a British topic.
Reversing that test case, we should only change this one if it concerns an American topic. While I agree that it can be seen as an American topic, it is not unequivocally so. At least as strong a case can be made for UK English (stronger in my view). Recommended procedure in that case is to leave the article as it is.
A final point - what we're really talking about here is the word 'tyre/tire'. If we swap to 'tire' throughout, we will have to change the spelling used in two direct quotes from the International Sporting Regulations (see FIA's reaction), or quote them accurately from the source text and have them inconsistent with the rest of the document. Cheers. 4u1e 14:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good argument. I'll defer, but my preference remains.
While the event was in the US, the issue is international and so therefore is the article. The key players in the affair are British (Mosley & Ecclestone), French (Michellin) and Australian (Stoddard).Damiancorrigan 00:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

--Spangineerws (háblame) 00:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Comment- This bit makes no sense: "Out of all of the Television channels who broadcasted the grand prix, only ITV decided to screen the race and at the end of broadcast, the channel's anchorman Jim Rosenthal apologised for what viewers saw. Italian channel Rai 1 aired the race too, with comentators Gianfranco Mazzoni and Ivan Capelli trying to understand what led to the withdrawal and to explain it to the public. Austrian channel Orf 1 broadcasted the entire race as well, citing contractual obligations to do so...". How if ITV were the only one out of all the TV broadcasters to show the race did RAI 1 and ORF 1 air the race as well. I'm not happy with "their witty exchange of jokes made the race coverage actually rather entertaining at times.". It sounds like an opinion to me. The entire Team principals' plan section contains one source. More sources are needed. Also "At the 2005 Champ Car World Series Grand Prix of Cleveland, held one week after the US Grand Prix, free admission was granted to all bearers of ticket stubs of the US Grand Prix." could do with a source.Alexj2002 12:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done the champ car source Kingjamie 22:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have added one ref for the "Team principals' plan" section please can somebody else help me in finding some more. Kingjamie 22:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have done these tasks now Kingjamie 18:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To make the 'entertaining' comment less POV, someone could add the award ITV won for 'best sporting coverage' for that race. I'd add it myself, but I can't remember what exactly they won.Damiancorrigan 00:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Refusal of coverage still needs a copyedit. Also it mentions several stations refused coverage but only names TSN. Did any other stations refuse coverage? What did Speed do? Alexj2002 19:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about Speed or any other TV stations coverage, I have also done a minor copy edit don't know if it is enough. Kingjamie 20:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
SPEED aired the complete race. As host broadcaster, they were required to do so. The race was already going against a NASCAR race on FOX, which owns SPEED, so it had no hope in terms of TV viewership whether all the teams started or not. Adamtw (talk) 06:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Speed aired the entire thing, FYI. The359 05:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Can you post an image which gives what the track looks like. Mercenary2k 22:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done Kingjamie 23:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has been sitting here for awhile, so here's some feedback. Great article, but needs more citations. I've added {{fact}} and inline comments where I feel that they are needed. I'll object until this is addressed. --Spangineerws (háblame) 04:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done Kingjamie 20:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are still a few places that would be served by a citation (last two sentences of "Toyota tyre failures" and all of "Race report"). There's even a quote from Bob Varsha that's not cited. --Spangineerws (háblame) 23:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done, deleted Varsha quote but last two sentences of "Toyota tyre failures" are already cited Kingjamie 17:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I meant the last two sentences of the first paragraph. --Spangineerws (háblame) 23:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Done Kingjamie 17:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Support. --Spangineerws (háblame) 07:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Why is an article on the United States Grand Prix using "tyres" instead of "tires"? Doesn't this fall into the category of distinctly American and should therefore use US English. Jay32183 20:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
While the event was in the US, the issue is international and so therefore is the article. The key players in the affair are British (Mosley & Ecclestone), French (Michellin) and Australian (Stoddard). Kingjamie 20:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. Jay32183 21:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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