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WATCH Recent filter changes (): Filter 320 — Pattern modified Last changed at 23:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC) Filter 1250 — Actions: disallow,throttle Last changed at 22:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Filter 1254 (new) — Actions: tag; Flags: enabled,public; Pattern modified Last changed at 22:32, 30 May 2023 (UTC) Filter 1013 — Actions: none; Flags: enabled Last changed at 22:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC) Filter 1147 — Flags: enabled Last changed at 20:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC) Filter 1014 — Flags: disabled; Pattern modified Last changed at 04:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC) This is the edit filter noticeboard, for coordination and discussion of edit filter use and management. If you wish to request an edit filter, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested. If you would like to report a false positive, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives. Private filters should not be discussed in detail here; please email an edit filter manager if you have specific concerns or questions about the content of hidden filters. There are currently 291 enabled filters and 33 stale filters with no hits in the past 30 days. Filter condition use is ~809, out of a maximum of 2000. (). See also the profiling data and edit filter graphs. Click here to start a new discussion thread

Set filter 1253 to disallow

• 1253 (hist · log)

Sorry, but there WILL be FPs. Open proxy attack. Also Ingenuity (talk · contribs) is working on another filter. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I can’t see the filter, but I trust your and @Ingenuity’s judgment on this. I am always here to help handle false positives. :) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Can this filter be disabled for now? I am noticing many FPs from this filter, which I think is supposed to only catch repetitive addition of nonsense. Mori Calliope fan talk 19:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Don’t mean to be nosy, but I was wondering what the same thing as @Mori Calliope fan. If you get a chance @Suffusion of Yellow, could you send a copy to me? Thanks! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

 Thanks - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Easier reporting of false positives

Presently, any time someone is affect by a false positive, they are told (by Mediawiki:Abusefilter-disallowed and related messages) to "report this error". Whereupon they are taken to WP:EF/FP and have to click another link to actually make the report. Why not skip a step?

Old message:

New message:

Note, also, that we can now pre-fill the page name!

Questions:

• Does this seem like a good idea? Yes, it means more spurious EFFP reports, but also more good ones, too.
• Should this be the default for all messages? All "disallow" messages but not "warn" messages? Or only a few messages?
• It's technically possible to automatically include either the filter id or the filter description in the report. I decided to leave that out per BEANS, but should either be included?
• I wanted to also prefill the username, so we can get rid of that {{subst:currentuser}} crap in Template:False positive/Preload, but couldn't figure out how. It seems {{REVISIONUSER}} doesn't work in edit filter messages. Can anyone figure out a way?

To see this actually in action, go to WP:EF/MT and attempt to make any edit. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:24, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

This is a great idea! I strongly support this change of adding the button. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

This is a great idea. I'm not sure if the subst:currentuser thing can be removed. {{subst:currentuser}} already substitutes REVISIONUSER anyways. (by the way, is there documentation for how the filter message is rendered? Are there magic words that we can use in those messages to retrieve additional data?) 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 00:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I know of no such documentation; it was just trial and error on testwiki. I know that $1 is the filter description and $2 is the filter ID. {{FULLPAGENAME}} works, but {{REVISIONUSER}} doesn't, probably because it's technically an "edit notice" and {{REVISIONUSER}} isn't allowed in editnotices. I was able to get get of currentuser/REVSIONUSER in the preload by moving it "down a level" to {{False positive}}. But it's still in the section title, which looks ugly. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Not as much participation here as I had hoped, but I'll interpret it as WP:SILENCE. So unless anyone else objects, I'm going to put in an edit request to make this change to Template:Edit filter warning. Also:

• For now, I don't want to change the wording of MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed and related messages; the message is rendering funny in the Android app, and I'm not sure if "click the button below" makes sense to screen reader users. Also there are about 35 messages to update! There's no harm in a redundant link.
• The button will only show in disallow messages, not warning messages. Why? Because unless you open the link in a new tab, you're abandoning your edit. Let's not make the link too inviting.
• Individual messages can be opted out or in with the fplink parameter.
• I'm not including the filter description or id, even though that's public information. I doubt many drive-by vandals know how to find their abuse log, so let's not say "this is the exact thing you were doing; stop doing that and your edit will save".

Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Y Sounds good to me! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:14, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

642 change

Filter 642 currently prevents the adding of VRT template by non-VRT members. I was wondering if this could be changed to also prevent the removal of VRT template as there is currently a request on the VRT Noticeboard where a user removed the template and we are waiting for a VRT agent to re-add it. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Set 1252 to disallow

Filter 1252: See Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested#Filmcompanion and MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/May 2023#Filmcompanion.in. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Someone needs to add a disallow message before this can be set to disallow. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 04:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe use something like, "An automated filter has identified this edit as potential spam, so it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please click the button below. Disruptive behavior may result in being blocked from editing."? I borrowed the language from Suffusion's template, two threads above. TrangaBellam (talk) 04:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

It's probably better to have something specific to spam blacklists (the same as the spam blacklist message). 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 05:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Support administrator rights to test filters?

I recently requested administrator rights on Wikipedia’s TestWiki to test possible filter changes, while reviewing false positives reports, to help the wiki. Xaosflux said that some community support for this would help the granting process. How do you feel about this? Simply respond to this post with your support, or lack thereof. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 15:35, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

FYI: testwiki:Wikipedia:Requests/Permissions/Illusion Flame. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame: I really doubt this will be as useful as you imagine. There's no way easy way to test hits from enwiki on testwiki, unless "someone" writes a script to do so. But if you really want this, I have no objection to a temporary grant. Please be careful. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point. I would also like access to the testing tools, specifically the ones that let you check for errors in the code. I think it would generally still be helpful, just not as helpful as I anticipated. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 18:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame, I know that you have already mentioned you would rather use a Wikimedia Foundation wiki, but for fortestwiki.myht.org has AbuseFilter installed, and has a strong privacy policy with minimal logging, and I hold a few rights there and would be able to grant you the administrator rights if you wish. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 19:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the suggestion, but I would really like to stay on WikiMedia Foundation wikis only. As a computer geek, I understand IPs and User agents, that the checkuser tools shows. I really don’t trust some random wiki owner with access to my personal IP and user agent. I hope you understand. Do you support me accessing Wikipedia’s own testing wiki? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame Support for temporary grant - I would support for a 3 month grant for the explicit purpose of testing filters, if there is good quality (IMO) filter authoring then I would support a renewal for another 3-6 months. You may however want to consider hosting your own MediaWiki install, but I imagine testing filters is easier on wiki with other users to provide assistance. I do agree with not trusting random people with your IP. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 21:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Change page on filter 320

Filter 320 ("Your mom" Vandalism) apparently excludes the page Maternal insult, but was moved to "Yo mama" joke, so the page needs to be changed. 2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 23:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 23:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merger of SpamBlacklist and AbuseFilter

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T337431

Please comment at phab:T337431. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:19, 2 June 2023 (UTC)