Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 May 22

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

22 May 2023[edit]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Category:Australian Survivor contestants (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

This category should not have been deleted as not all of the contestants on the series were celebrities when appearing on the show. Therefore, it would be inaccurate and incorrect to delete it as it is clearly not a WP:PERFCAT and the appearance is WP:DEFINING for some contestants and their articles. Happily888 (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't watch reality TV, but as I understand it most folks won't be notable before the show. So yeah, I'm not getting the !votes here. Leaning overturn or relist, but I'm also more than willing to be better educated. Hobit (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from closer: I'd like to think I made no error on my part (unanimous consensus to delete), but given this info, we should probably relist for more input. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 17:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion. Could not possibly have been closed any other way. Stifle (talk) 08:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak endorse I sympathise with the closer of the CFD. There is a difficulty when the nomination and all the arguments are wholly irrational or based on a severe mistake. However, I think it probably best to take them at face value and just move on. Thincat (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have a problem with "yeah, it was wrong, but it's where we are". If we agree the !votes were just plain wrong, we should relist, not just move forward. Here it's a very minor thing. But as a way of handling issues like this, I think it's important. Hobit (talk) 23:55, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse but relist. There was a clear consensus to delete but there was very little discussion in the CfD. Wikipedia:Deletion review#Purpose says: "Deletion review may be used: ... 3. if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify recreating the deleted page".

    Editors at the CfD were operating under the CfD nominator's statement that "As these people were already famous this is not WP:DEFINING and therefore nothing more than a WP:PERFCAT." But the DRV nominator has stated here that "not all of the contestants on the series were celebrities when appearing on the show" so "the appearance is WP:DEFINING for some contestants and their articles". This dissenting view was not discussed at the CfD, so I support relisting at CfD to allow for more discussion.

    Since the CfD closer said "given this info, we should probably relist for more input", it should be uncontroversial to relist this at CfD.

    Cunard (talk) 09:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Relist per Cunard - the consensus was interpreted correctly but there was a clear error in the reasoning applied as we know now. FOARP (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Relist no closer error, but the argument may have been flawed. No problem with letting it run for a bit longer. SportingFlyer T·C 17:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.