Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Rizzo (curler)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


The result was keep. After extended time for discussion, a substantial consensus has been reached that this article subject meets WP:NCURLING. BD2412 T 06:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Rizzo (curler)[edit]

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Fails WP:NCURLING. Has only won provisional tournaments. Fails GNG ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 20:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He actually does meet WP:CURLING as he has played in a Grand Slam (the 2004 BDO Curling Classic). Of course, that alone is not a reason to keep the article, but I was able to find some articles that can be used as references at newspapers.com. I've expanded the article and included more references. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. At least some of the coverage added to the article constitute WP:SIGCOV. E.g., this. Cbl62 (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:NCURLING, and the coverage does not appear to meet GNG - the link provided by Cbl62 is primarily an interview, and is not independent of the subject. The same issue exists with the other references in the article that are not minor mentions. BilledMammal (talk) 00:43, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have no opinion as yet on whether this should be kept or deleted, but the subject clearly passes point one of WP:NCURLING as noted above. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right - I missed that one when removing the other participation criteria. It has now been removed per Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability #3, and they no longer meet WP:NCURLING. BilledMammal (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, though I would argue he has received significant enough coverage from reliable sources (which I've added to the article) to warrant keeping.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, there is now an edit war going on at WP:NSPORTS in regard to the recent changes there, which affects single event participation as a criteria for notability. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If nothing else, this AfD resulted in stark improvement to Mr. Rizzo's article. But, in any case, the current NCURLING (as far as I know) requires the winning of the listed tournaments to pass, none of which Rizzo has won, at least per the article as it stands. I appreciate your work, but I would argue that the new content is routine - this is the type of coverage that many sportspeople garner, which is why I think specific sports have notability guidelines. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 20:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no need to give your opinion based on "as far as I know". It only takes a few seconds to actually read what the guideline says, which is not that the current version requires the winning of the listed tournaments to pass. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:47, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Some of the references added are routine, but some of them constitute significant coverage. In any event, WP:NSPORT is influx right now, so it's still up in the air as to whether this will meet WP:NCURLING or not. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability #3 says "There is a rough consensus to eliminate participation-based criteria (except those based on olympic or similar participation)". Is participation in a Grand Slam of Curling event not "olympic or similar participation"? This goes well beyond simply participation at a professional level. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see how proposed future policy (highly controversial at that) has any bearingon the discussion. Nfitz (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not proposed - there is a consensus for it. BilledMammal (talk) 10:32, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete we lack sufficient sources that are reliable, secondary, independent and in-depth, to pass GNG. Sports SNG do not trump needing to actually pass GNG to have an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes NSPORT - article references pass GNG. That's a doublepass. Nfitz (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per NCURLING. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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