Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islam and children (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 14:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Islam and children[edit]

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This article has both exceptionally low quality and doubtful notability. The maintenance tags are a decade old, raising rightful questions about the mass of online religious Q&A and primary source references that furnish much of this page. There is meanwhile precious little evidence that "Islam and children" is a serious standalone topic in secondary sources - certainly none of the sources listed in the bibliography are specifically geared towards the subject. More generally, the scope of the articles seems unusual and potentially misguided. Unusual because "X religion and children" is not an article type I see repeated anywhere else. Misguided because it pertains to social conventions, which have their agency at the level of any given society, e.g. a country or cultural group. Of the little, if any material that is supported/relevant, i.e. religious precepts around family life, there is none that would not be better supported at Islamic family jurisprudence, so I would say delete or merge to that page. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I did wonder whether this article might have been original research, but having had a look at it, it seemed a thoroughly comprehensive and well-researched article. YTKJ (talk) 07:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At least half of it is attributed to unreliable online religious sources - and this accounts for almost all of the material that is unique to this page, i.e.: the "Rights of children" and "Rights of parents" sections. The following parts, Marriage in Islam and Islamic adoptional jurisprudence have their own articles and just duplicate here. Overall, it's a bit of a WP:COATRACK that pulls together fairly disparate and tangential subjects under the umbrella of "children" in a manner not obviously done by any secondary or tertiary reference material. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:40, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 06:34, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a child article that covers a notable aspect of Islam as well as Religion and children. If it needs cleanup, then clean it up. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a child article of either of those pages. And it's not a topic in its own right that is qualified as such in secondary literature. There are aspects of Islamic family jurisprudence that pertain to children, but it's not really its own thing. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some books about various aspects of the topic. This is in addition to whatever might exist in Arabic or any other language with a significant Muslim population.
The Child in Islam

Guidelines For Raising Children

Children of Islam

Children in the Muslim Middle East

Growing Up Between Two Cultures

Making European Muslims
Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly, a notable subject; there are multiple books about it. Fix it; no reason for deletion. My very best wishes (talk) 02:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.