Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heikki Jaansalu

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heikki Jaansalu[edit]

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Fails wp:GNG and wp:NOLYMPICS. A user added multiple references on the article talk page, but random websites don't appear enough to satisfy notability guidelines. Recommend redirect to Shooting at the 1996 Summer Olympics – Men's trap. Nythar^T^.^C 06:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Estonia. Nythar^T^.^C 06:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sources listed on the article talkpage are not just "random websites", they're news websites from his country. And they demonstrate significant coverage that passes WP:GNG- coverage does not have to be in English to be used to demonstrate notability. Just because he didn't win an Olympic medal, that is not a reason to delete someone, if they pass WP:GNG, like this person does. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:54, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302: The 5th and 6th references contain passing mentions of him, and the rest appear to fail wp:SPORTBASIC. "Random websites" because of their contents; he isn't the focus of some. And the seventh reference is a mistake; it's apparently a different Jaansalu. Nythar^T^.^C 09:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Try this instead of the seventh source. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is my opinion that the person passes GNG. This is only about H.Jaansalu and this is about Estonian team - him and Andrei Inešin. Here's more sources: Achievement summary on issf-sports.org, plus [1], [2] [3], [4], also [5], [6] [7] [8]. This is probably the best (reliable website) summary of his career: 1989 European Championship team bronze, 1990 World Cup (team) winner, Soviet Championship silver in 1985 (indiv) and 1986–87 gold/1988–90 silver (team), 1987 Soviet Cup winner (team), Estonian champion 9x individual and 7x team, 1978 Latvian champion (indiv); shot 5 Estonian records, ESSF Grand Champion in 1983 and 1995; he was also in the board of directors of the Estonian national federation and led (still leads) one of the commitees. It is quite obvious that back then (during his career) the newspapers were on paper, not in the internet. The situation was also a bit different because Estonia was part of the Soviet Union until 1991 - there would also be sources in Russian language which I dont speak well. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I've added a couple of sources, including the online Estonian Encyclopedia (cf WP:ANYBIO #3). The sources provided above by Pelmeen10 are in any case enough to meet GNG (please do add them to the article though!). It's not clear how much WP:BEFORE was carried out here, if any, but BEFORE is not a dead letter and this man is not an obscure figure. Ingratis (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He has an entry at Eesti spordi biograafiline leksikon and per references given by Pelmeen10. He firmly passes WP:GNG. ExRat (talk) 23:07, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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