Wikipedia:Closure requests

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The Closure requests noticeboard is for posting requests to have an uninvolved editor assess, summarize, and formally close a discussion on Wikipedia. Formal closure by an uninvolved editor or administrator should be requested where consensus appears unclear, where the issue is a contentious one, or where there are wiki-wide implications, such as when the discussion is about creating, abolishing or changing a policy or guideline.

Many discussions do not need formal closure and do not need to be listed here.

Many discussions result in a reasonably clear consensus, so if the consensus is clear, any editor—even one involved in the discussion—may close the discussion. The default length of a formal request for comment is 30 days (opened on or before 2 September 2023); if consensus becomes clear before that and discussion has slowed, then it may be closed earlier. However, editors usually wait at least a week after a discussion opens, unless the outcome is very obvious, so that there is enough time for a full discussion.

On average, it takes two or three weeks after a discussion has ended to get a formal closure from an uninvolved editor. When the consensus is reasonably clear, participants may be best served by not requesting closure and then waiting weeks for a formal closure.

If the consensus of a given discussion appears unclear, then you may post a brief and neutrally worded request for closure here; be sure to include a link to the discussion itself and the {{Initiated}} template at the beginning of the request. Do not use this board to continue the discussion in question. A helper script is available to make listing discussions easier.

If you disagree with a particular closure, please discuss matters on the closer's talk page, and, if necessary, request a closure review at the administrators' noticeboard. Include links to the closure being challenged and the discussion on the closer's talk page, and also include a policy-based rationale supporting your request for the closure to be overturned.

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Closure review archive for previous closure reviews.

Any uninvolved editor may close most discussions, so long as they are prepared to discuss and justify their closing rationale.

Because requests for closure made here are often those that are the most contentious, closing these discussions can be a significant responsibility. Closers should be familiar with all policies and guidelines that could apply to the given discussion. All closers should be prepared to fully discuss the closure rationale with any editors who have questions about the closure or the underlying policies, and to provide advice about where to discuss any remaining concerns that those editors may have. Closers who want to discuss their evaluation of consensus while preparing for a close may use WP:Discussions for discussion.

A request for comment from February of 2013 discussed the process for appealing a closure and whether or not an administrator could summarily overturn a non-administrator's closure. The consensus of that discussion was that closures should not be reverted solely because the closer was not an administrator. However, special considerations apply for articles for deletion and move discussions—see Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-administrators closing discussions and Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure for details.

To reduce editing conflicts and an undesirable duplication of effort when closing a discussion listed on this page, please append {{Doing}} to the discussion's entry here. When finished, replace it with {{Close}} or {{Done}} and an optional note, and consider sending a {{Ping}} to the editor who placed the request. A request where a close is deemed unnecessary can be marked with {{Not done}}. After addressing a request, please mark the {{Initiated}} template with |done=yes. ClueBot III will automatically archive requests marked with {{Already done}}, {{Close}}, {{Done}} {{Not done}}, and {{Resolved}}.

Other areas tracking old discussions

• Wikipedia:Requested moves#Elapsed listings
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Awaiting closure
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Old discussions
• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Old business
• Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log
• Wikipedia:Proposed article splits

Requests for comment

Wikipedia talk:Notability (academic journals)#RfC on notability criteria

(Initiated 57 days ago on 6 August 2023) The discussion came to a natural end, but as the issue is contentious we'd benefit from someone uninvolved assessing the consensus. Tercer (talk) 06:50, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Refideas notification upon editing an article

(Initiated 37 days ago on 25 August 2023) Unopposed proposal seemingly requiring highly technical implementation. Most recent comment apart from unarchival by proposer was 9 September. Folly Mox (talk) 01:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

If this requires technical assistance to properly do a close that you don't do here, please just point me in the right direction. :) Either ping me or leave a note on my talk page. BOZ (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pppery: would you be able to close this and/or implement the technical bits? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think this needs to be closed since there's no dispute, and anyway I shouldn't close a discussion I participated in. I also don't think I need to implement anything right now - someone should just go ahead with SilverLocust's suggestion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Who can do that? BOZ (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Didn't SilverLocust already explain that? Anyone can create {{Refideas editnotce}}. Any template editor, page mover, or admin can deploy it to a specific page. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh! OK, I did not realize that I could do that. I went ahead and created it. BOZ (talk) 14:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: I moved it to Refideas editnotice with the 'i'. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Oops. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks. I added it to more than 20 articles as a test, but I am not sure if I did that part correctly. BOZ (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Let's move this discussion to User:BOZ#Edit notice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Andy Ngo#RfC: "journalist" in lede

(Initiated 36 days ago on 27 August 2023) There's been plenty of discussion on this topic and it will require an experienced editor to close. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 13:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The RfC template on this has been recently removed by the bot. TarnishedPath^talk 05:54, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussions

XFD backlog

V	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Total
CfD	0	3	70	0	73
TfD	0	0	0	0	0
MfD	0	1	2	0	3
FfD	0	0	1	0	1
RfD	0	0	35	0	35
AfD	0	0	2	0	2

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 25#Category:Dutch stadtholders

(Initiated 55 days ago on 8 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Baseball players suspended for drug offenses

(Initiated 55 days ago on 8 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 5#Coach Lombardi

(Initiated 55 days ago on 8 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 26#Coach Lombardi. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:Greek Orthodoxy by continent

(Initiated 49 days ago on 13 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 1#Category:11th-century women rulers

(Initiated 47 days ago on 15 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 4#Greek Orthodoxy

(Initiated 45 days ago on 17 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:11, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/delsort.js

(Initiated 45 days ago on 18 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 2#MathematicsAndStatistics

(Initiated 44 days ago on 19 August 2023) ^user:A smart kitten_meow 13:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Relisted Wikipedia:Redirects for _discussion/Log/2023 September 27#MathematicsAndStatistics starship.paint (RUN) 04:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

  Why do people keep relisting discussions that have already been open for more than a month? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:13, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

  That one was only a second relist, and the discussion after the first relist was productive, so I don't have any issue with it personally. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 29#👨‍💻

(Initiated 40 days ago on 22 August 2023) Duckmather (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisted (pointlessly IMO) to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 21#👨‍💻 * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisted again to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 30#👨‍💻. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:42, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 7#Customs in redirects

(Initiated 37 days ago on 26 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 7#🙀

(Initiated 36 days ago on 27 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 20#Template:R from deadname

(Initiated 33 days ago on 30 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 15#Petrushene, Mykolaiv Raion

(Initiated 31 days ago on 31 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Other types of closing requests

Talk:Northeastern Ukraine campaign#Merge Northeastern offensive into Kyiv and Eastern offensives?

(Initiated 542 days ago on 8 April 2022) Discussion is very old, seems to be ready for closure by an uninvolved editor. HappyWith (talk) 05:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal#Splitting proposal for Pokémon Crystal and Pokémon Gold and Silver

(Initiated 198 days ago on 18 March 2023) Stale split discussion czar 15:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

 Doing... —siroχo 00:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@Czar:  Done (non-admin closure) —siroχo 01:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Proposal to remove "rearrangement of text" from definition of minor edit.

(Initiated 51 days ago on 11 August 2023) Please also advise whether editors should start a follow-up RfC on whether to deprecate minor edits entirely. Thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 August 28#Category:Recipients of the Order of Tahiti Nui

(Initiated 35 days ago on 28 August 2023) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 415#NYT and LGBT-related subjects (yet again)

(Initiated 17 days ago on 15 September 2023) We've had quite a bit of discussion on this, could an uninvolved editor close it? Thank you. starship.paint (RUN) 12:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Note that this has been archived to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 415#NYT and LGBT-related subjects (yet again). VickKiang (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)