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A barnstar for your patience in helping people[edit]
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How do I get my location unblocked?[edit]
- Hi Xaosflux, could you help me unblock my location? And also, why did I get blocked? I'm just using my account in another location so I could add this.UserAV666 (talk) 08:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- @UserAV666 your account has never been blocked here on the English Wikipedia. Some network ranges are blocked, but they are not specific to you. To look in to that, we would need the exact details of the block message you are seeing. — xaosflux Talk 09:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oh...Well yes I checked and I'm not blocked anymore!:D I was blocked a few days or weeks ago, but now I'm not. The only thing that I remember is that it said that most people who see this did nothing wrong. Then I only understood that my location or account was blocked and I tried to edit in another area of where I live and it worked. So I thought my location was blocked. Now I can edit in where I live. And also, where did you see that "I've never been blocked before"? UserAV666 (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- @UserAV666 see Wikipedia:Blocking policy for a lot of information about blocks. In general there are 2 main types of blocks: (a) Blocks of a user account; (b) Blocks of a network address. Blocks of a user account are about a specific user - you can see your own block log (it is empty) here at Special:Logs. Blocks of a network address impact anyone that happens to be using that address, and can happen for many reasons - depending on how you access the internet your network address could be shared with thousands of other people or more - especially if using a VPN or other "private browsing" software. — xaosflux Talk 13:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oh...Well yes I checked and I'm not blocked anymore!:D I was blocked a few days or weeks ago, but now I'm not. The only thing that I remember is that it said that most people who see this did nothing wrong. Then I only understood that my location or account was blocked and I tried to edit in another area of where I live and it worked. So I thought my location was blocked. Now I can edit in where I live. And also, where did you see that "I've never been blocked before"? UserAV666 (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
- @UserAV666 your account has never been blocked here on the English Wikipedia. Some network ranges are blocked, but they are not specific to you. To look in to that, we would need the exact details of the block message you are seeing. — xaosflux Talk 09:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Translations[edit]
Hi there @Xaosflux,
Once again, I want to thank you for your reply on TSventon's talkpage. Even though I could not figure it out, I think it was good advice. I do want to ask about machine translation, as I'm not sure what my problem is. Basically, I'm in the process of translating articles from the Russian Wikipedia onto here, but even though I try my best to work the phrases/sentences into logical English, it still shows up as being "machine translated". For example, I have one translation in progress that is 60% complete, but it shows 100% machine translated. As a disclaimer, I use Google Translate for assistance but only when I absolutely have to. Is there a way to find out why it's being flagged like this? Please let me know. Thanks again for any help you can provide. Losipov (talk) 05:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- "machine translation" isn't enabled here, so I'm a bit confused you are seeing that specific warning here. Are you seeing that inside of the translation page? Check the address, does it start with
https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Special:ContentTranslation?? — xaosflux Talk 10:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)- No, it does not appear to be that specific one. Here is the exact link I have: https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Special:ContentTranslation#draft
- When I hover my mouse above a translation, it will have two numbers: "x% translated, y% from machine translation". It's weird because for some translations that I check multiple times, I will have 0% machine translation one time and then all of a sudden it shows I have part of it machine translations. Seeing that machine translation isn't available here, I'm also confused. Losipov (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov are you sure you are translating to English? I would expect that if you are translating in to another language. — xaosflux Talk 19:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. All of the translations I've done (and are currently doing) are to English. Losipov (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov that is odd, as machine translation isn't enabled here. When you started the translation, were you on another project (such as the source project)? — xaosflux Talk 20:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- If by "project source" you mean editing other articles in different tabs, most likely not (at least not that I can recall). I don't know what I'm doing wrong for it to happen. Do translations have to be extremely precise? Because on the Russian Wikipedia the articles are written in a different way than here. So, it's not exactly in that style but still I try to translate as accurately as I can. Losipov (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov I'm trying to duplicate the issue, but need to know the exact steps you are doing that lead to where you are. When you decide to translate something, can you tell me what you do, step by step? For example: (a) Go to the article http://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Apple (b) Click Translate (c) .... ;; especially if (a) is starting on another site such as https://ru.wikipedia.org
- Thank you! — xaosflux Talk 01:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Here's an example. I go to "Contributions" and click on "Translations", and pick articles to go through. If you want, the article "Artik & Asti" from the Russian Wikipedia might be the easiest to show my problems (in fact, that's the article I was referring to when I said 60/100% in the original comment. I click "add translation" for some sections like the tables, and just fix them up with English translations wherever necessary. When I exit and hover over the progress bar, it shows that it's somehow machine translated (for that specific article, it shows 100% machine translated). Is it a problem with the templates? I'm not sure. But those are some of the steps.
- Here's the article, by the way: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artik_%26_Asti Losipov (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov that may be a display bug, we don't have machine translation turned on here (it's not automatically trying to translate the text is it?). Will it let you continue? — xaosflux Talk 03:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- You could get the error about "unmodified text" that has a comment about
Automatic translation is provided only as a starting point. Make sure that the content is accurate and reads naturally in your language. Your translation cannot be published without further editing.
, if there are many templates/etc. — xaosflux Talk 03:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)- Before I respond to your latest replies, I do want to point out something that happened very recently. I published the page Sayonara detka within the past hour, and up until the moment I published it, it showed "80% translated, 0% from machine" or something like that. I made one final translation of something minor there, and when I go back to check out the final result in Content Translation, it shows "88% translated, 20% from machine" (or something like that). Keep in mind it's a short article, so I don't know what the problem is.
- Now to your latest replies:
- 1) Yes, I can keep working on that translation. 99% of time it doesn't automatically translate; only for some templates it does (Example: On the Russian Wikipedia for the article Lesha Svik, it shows critics reviews. And those almost always automatically translate if I click on "add translation". Here's the article: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA,_%D0%9B%D1%91%D1%88%D0%B0)
- 2) I do get that message constantly. I always make it go away with edits though (ie: I translate enough to the point of it going away automatically). Again, it's confusing why the machine translation message is there even when its disabled. Losipov (talk) 03:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov if you look at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal, under internationalization, what is your language set to here? — xaosflux Talk 04:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- You could get the error about "unmodified text" that has a comment about
- @Losipov that may be a display bug, we don't have machine translation turned on here (it's not automatically trying to translate the text is it?). Will it let you continue? — xaosflux Talk 03:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- If by "project source" you mean editing other articles in different tabs, most likely not (at least not that I can recall). I don't know what I'm doing wrong for it to happen. Do translations have to be extremely precise? Because on the Russian Wikipedia the articles are written in a different way than here. So, it's not exactly in that style but still I try to translate as accurately as I can. Losipov (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov that is odd, as machine translation isn't enabled here. When you started the translation, were you on another project (such as the source project)? — xaosflux Talk 20:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. All of the translations I've done (and are currently doing) are to English. Losipov (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov are you sure you are translating to English? I would expect that if you are translating in to another language. — xaosflux Talk 19:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov: thank you for the screenshot, this appears to be a software bug. I've opened bug ticket: phab:T337201, you may subscribe to that for updates. You may be able to publish your draft translations even if that value is still there. I suspect what is happening is that the label on that is wrong, and it is actually reporting the "unmodified text" value, not the "machine translated text" value. — xaosflux Talk 15:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- So there is nothing "wrong" with my translations correct? That isn't supposed to happen? From the looks of it it shouldn't. I had another question in the meantime. Oftentimes when I do translations and leave the articles, the place of the text will move to the wrong spot. For example, if there's a section titled "Music videos" and I made another section name somewhere else in the article (like "History" or something). This happens pretty frequently and I'm not sure why that is. It's not that big of a deal, but do you know of a solution to this? Losipov (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov the draft translations are private, so I can't see if there is something "wrong" or not, but I'm guessing that counter is counting something else. If you reuse a section that is the same template with the same template content, it may say it is 'untranslated'. I'm not sure how the section titles work in that tool, I haven't done much in that area. I would expect that almost anything coming out of the translate tool would require some manual cleanup once it is published -- why it is always best to publish to a sandbox first, finish the cleanup, then move the article to mainspace in my opinion. — xaosflux Talk 20:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux Ok, I get what you're saying. If I publish it in the sandbox, will it still have the article attribution (ie: It shows that the article was translated from another Wiki)? That might be a better route, now that I think about it. It's just that the charts/tables I put in get messed up somewhere along the line, and other editors are able to fix them. Not all hope is lost there lol. Losipov (talk) 05:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov oh yes, it will be exactly the same if you publish initially to a sandbox or mainspace. — xaosflux Talk 09:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux so one of my translated articles was deleted, but I asked the editor who deleted it to bring it back into a draftspace. If I edit the translation and publish it into my draftspace, will that create a duplicate or will it replace what currently exists there? If you know, of course. Thanks again. Losipov (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- And I apologize if this thread is unnecessarily long lol. I did not envision it being this way. I do appreciate your advice though; it's very helpful. Losipov (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov you should wait for them to undelete it and move it, then you should just edit it directly. — xaosflux Talk 22:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux so one of my translated articles was deleted, but I asked the editor who deleted it to bring it back into a draftspace. If I edit the translation and publish it into my draftspace, will that create a duplicate or will it replace what currently exists there? If you know, of course. Thanks again. Losipov (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov oh yes, it will be exactly the same if you publish initially to a sandbox or mainspace. — xaosflux Talk 09:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux Ok, I get what you're saying. If I publish it in the sandbox, will it still have the article attribution (ie: It shows that the article was translated from another Wiki)? That might be a better route, now that I think about it. It's just that the charts/tables I put in get messed up somewhere along the line, and other editors are able to fix them. Not all hope is lost there lol. Losipov (talk) 05:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Losipov the draft translations are private, so I can't see if there is something "wrong" or not, but I'm guessing that counter is counting something else. If you reuse a section that is the same template with the same template content, it may say it is 'untranslated'. I'm not sure how the section titles work in that tool, I haven't done much in that area. I would expect that almost anything coming out of the translate tool would require some manual cleanup once it is published -- why it is always best to publish to a sandbox first, finish the cleanup, then move the article to mainspace in my opinion. — xaosflux Talk 20:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- So there is nothing "wrong" with my translations correct? That isn't supposed to happen? From the looks of it it shouldn't. I had another question in the meantime. Oftentimes when I do translations and leave the articles, the place of the text will move to the wrong spot. For example, if there's a section titled "Music videos" and I made another section name somewhere else in the article (like "History" or something). This happens pretty frequently and I'm not sure why that is. It's not that big of a deal, but do you know of a solution to this? Losipov (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Testwiki[edit]
Hey, can you restore my testwiki +sysop again? I want to do some tests related to MediaWiki talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist#Protected edit request on 11 April 2021 (and a few other things). Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow
Done — xaosflux Talk 19:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- ...aaaand it seems link handling on testwiki is totally broken, see phab:T337149. I guess I'll try again later. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow of course it is .... — xaosflux Talk 20:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- At risk of hat collecting, can I also have +sysop on test2wiki? I'm not totally sure of the answer to this question. But assuming my theory is right, test2wiki should be unaffected. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow ok. — xaosflux Talk 20:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- At risk of hat collecting, can I also have +sysop on test2wiki? I'm not totally sure of the answer to this question. But assuming my theory is right, test2wiki should be unaffected. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Suffusion of Yellow of course it is .... — xaosflux Talk 20:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- ...aaaand it seems link handling on testwiki is totally broken, see phab:T337149. I guess I'll try again later. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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User advertising[edit]
I found a user advertising in this talk page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yello_Mobile please remove it, thanks Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Notrealname1234 that doesn't require an administrator, see Help:Reverting for how to undo something. — xaosflux Talk 17:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Edit request not answered yet[edit]
Hi Xaosflux, I noticed that my interface protected edit request in User:Shadow of the Starlit Sky/common.js isn't answered yet. Can you please look over it if possible? I'm asking you as you are a sysadmin. -- Shadow of the Starlit Sock 14:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
Interlinking help[edit]
Hello Xaos! :)
Can you help me with a small change related to an interlink?
Check sq:Stampa:Faqja kryesore/Mbyllja and click Wiki-Burimet. It sends you to the general mainpage of the Wikisource mainpage. It should instead send you to this? I'm not well informed on Wikisource and that link above does look strange but maybe that is the right place where it should lead? (Shqip=Albanian) If so, any idea how to change change the template? - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi looks like that is getting links from w:sq:Stampa:Sisterprojects layout; unlike some of the other links there, there is no "sqwikisource" project so you should probably format that one like you did for the wikispecies link. — xaosflux Talk 02:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you try doing the said change? I lowered the protection from that template. I've tried doing that in the past but failed to accomplish it. :/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 05:55, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi looks like that is only used on Faqja_kryesore, you just want the wikisource link to go to that page on wikisource? Or is this template going to be used on many pages and need dynamic output? — xaosflux Talk 11:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- You are right. That template serves only as the main page footer for the sister projects of Wikipedia. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I tried a little bit, but didn't solve this yet - no more time right now. Looks like some problems in w:sq:Stampa:Sisterprojects layout. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do there, it looks like you are trying to send your readers to all sorts of different links on the sister projects based on their interface language (as opposed to just linking to the sq-xxxx projects). Is that your intention? If not those templates look severely over complicated. — xaosflux Talk 15:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure... I remember I've copied that template from somewhere with the exact same name (maybe EnQuote). The idea is to send readers to the Albanian versions of localized projects (and to the general ones if no localized versions exist, like in the case of Commons, Wikidata, etc.) I don't know what exactly is going on with Albanian Wikisource... — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi may want to simplify that, all that copy-paste dragged a lot that you don't need in there. You mentioned "Albanian Wikisource", however there is no such thing. For example, there is an English Wikisource and a French Wikisource. You are wanting to just link to some subpages on the interlanguage-wikisource. (wikisource.org). — xaosflux Talk 16:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I would simplify it if I knew how to do that while preserving the current state. As for the Albanian Wikisource... So that's only a weird experiment someone has done in the past ? :P If that's the case, maybe linking to the wikisource.org is good enough. — Klein Muçi (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I'm not familiar with how language groups organize on wikisource, may want to ask someone over there. As far as your template, I don't think you need any of those conditionals, layered project names, etc - since all you want is a set of static links, someone from your project may be better off forking to a new page instead of trying to drag all that overhead from some other project over. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I would simplify it if I knew how to do that while preserving the current state. As for the Albanian Wikisource... So that's only a weird experiment someone has done in the past ? :P If that's the case, maybe linking to the wikisource.org is good enough. — Klein Muçi (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi may want to simplify that, all that copy-paste dragged a lot that you don't need in there. You mentioned "Albanian Wikisource", however there is no such thing. For example, there is an English Wikisource and a French Wikisource. You are wanting to just link to some subpages on the interlanguage-wikisource. (wikisource.org). — xaosflux Talk 16:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure... I remember I've copied that template from somewhere with the exact same name (maybe EnQuote). The idea is to send readers to the Albanian versions of localized projects (and to the general ones if no localized versions exist, like in the case of Commons, Wikidata, etc.) I don't know what exactly is going on with Albanian Wikisource... — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I tried a little bit, but didn't solve this yet - no more time right now. Looks like some problems in w:sq:Stampa:Sisterprojects layout. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do there, it looks like you are trying to send your readers to all sorts of different links on the sister projects based on their interface language (as opposed to just linking to the sq-xxxx projects). Is that your intention? If not those templates look severely over complicated. — xaosflux Talk 15:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- You are right. That template serves only as the main page footer for the sister projects of Wikipedia. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi looks like that is only used on Faqja_kryesore, you just want the wikisource link to go to that page on wikisource? Or is this template going to be used on many pages and need dynamic output? — xaosflux Talk 11:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you try doing the said change? I lowered the protection from that template. I've tried doing that in the past but failed to accomplish it. :/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 05:55, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Editor Interaction Analyzer[edit]
Hi, lately I've noticed problems with the above tool. Take a look at this comparison. It says that there is no page intersection, which is wrong. I'm not sure how many, but here are two: Draft:Riyad Al-Qasbaji and User talk:Dr-Vivoo. Is this a known problem? Should I report it and, if so, where? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 it looks like that tool is maintained by Σ, they would be the only person that appears to be able to help with it. You may want to try this similar tool that has more maintainers: meta:Community health initiative/Interaction Timeline. — xaosflux Talk 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- This stuff really wears me out. Σ hasn't edited in almost a year. With great difficulty, I set up the so-called health tool, and it shows "no results". See here. Did I do the set-up wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 I'm assuming you are expecting to find Hassan El Asmar? It may be not showing as the replication lag is almost 3 days behind right now. — xaosflux Talk 16:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I assumed I'd find more intersection than that, but after glancing at some other pages, the intersections occurred on May 26, at the earliest. I can't interpret the link to the lag you provided, but I'll take your word for it. Wouldn't that also affect the EIA? Is the lag unusually behind recently because that might explain why EIA has been working intermittently lately.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 yes, 83 hours is unusually long, it will likely settle down during the week. — xaosflux Talk 16:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- So, should I take from this that EIA's results may be incomplete depending on the lag? When you say it will probably settle down, do you mean that the lag will go back to "normal", or is there a new longer normal? Just trying to figure out what to expect.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 yes, 83 hours is unusually long, it will likely settle down during the week. — xaosflux Talk 16:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I assumed I'd find more intersection than that, but after glancing at some other pages, the intersections occurred on May 26, at the earliest. I can't interpret the link to the lag you provided, but I'll take your word for it. Wouldn't that also affect the EIA? Is the lag unusually behind recently because that might explain why EIA has been working intermittently lately.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 I'm assuming you are expecting to find Hassan El Asmar? It may be not showing as the replication lag is almost 3 days behind right now. — xaosflux Talk 16:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- This stuff really wears me out. Σ hasn't edited in almost a year. With great difficulty, I set up the so-called health tool, and it shows "no results". See here. Did I do the set-up wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-22[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Citations can once again be added automatically from ISBNs, thanks to Zotero's ISBN searches. The current data sources are the Library of Congress (United States), the Bibliothèque nationale de France (French National Library), and K10plus ISBN (German repository). Additional data source searches can be proposed to Zotero. The ISBN labels in the VisualEditor Automatic tab will reappear later this week. [3]
- The page Special:EditWatchlist now has "Check all" options to select all the pages within a namespace. This feature request was voted #161 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [4]
Problems
- For a few days earlier this month, the "Add interlanguage link" item in the Tools menu did not work properly. This has now been fixed. [5]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 May. It will be on all wikis from 1 June (calendar).
- VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on small and medium wikis this week. Large wikis will follow in the coming weeks. This is part of the effort to move Parsoid into MediaWiki core. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [6]
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My Three May Requests[edit]
I did NOT clogged up the edit request queue. I made three requests in the span of three days with very reasonable, clearly described, X to Y requests, and have had multiple successful requests to other protected, active admin pages. User:AnomieBOT/PERTable has not had more than 11 active protected page requests at one time. Hardly a busy list.
On the request instructions, it states "If you have noticed an error or have a suggestion for a simple, non-controversial change, you can submit an edit request by clicking the button below and following the instructions. An administrator may then make the change on your behalf. Please check the talk page first in case the issue is already being discussed".
It does NOT state that admin pages are off limits. Nor should it. Admin pages should be held to the same standard as other userpages, and if an issue is known, there should be an avenue to rectify the issue. These protected page requests ARE this avenue.
If there is a rule for only one request at a time, I am unaware of this. Apologies for having three requests open on a slow week. I will do better with timing.
I know there is procedural denial for requesting pp reduction for admin pages, but requesting valid fixes are 100% permitted, as demonstrated by the multiple, unquestioned, similar clean syntax requests in the past month I've made to active admin pages. ALL of which were accepted, by multiple administrators:
Accepted by Izno: (CJCurrie), (Materialscientist), (Nihonjoe; some discussion), (SpacemanSpiff), (Cactus.man)
Accepted by MSGJ: (Starblind) (Mojo_Hand) (Versageek)
Timotheus_Canens himself: (Timotheus_Canens)
Other than the three pages you've marked 'not done', I've had NO rejected admin page correction requests.
I've cleared over three thousand of these Tidy Font errors on Wikipedia the past few months. My edits are clean, nonproblematic, and noncontroversial. Mediawiki's July 2018 change to RemexHtml rendered the <font>[[link]]</font> format of coloring links broken on many browsers (browsers affected default back to normal blue instead of displaying the user specified colors), and this issue is a highpriority WP:LINT error to fix.
If you disagree with the side note inquiry on User:Versageek/Talk/Archive/2, that's fine, it may be ignored. That's why I noted it as a side comment and not directly part of the request. I was surprised MSGJ lowered Versageek/Talk/Archive/1 since Versageek is Admin, but thought since there were the same errors on 2, 3, and 4 of the same user, I'd at least inquire if the same reasons for lowering 1 held for 3 and 4 so that I wouldn't need to make additional protection requests for this issue on those pages later on.
Nihonjoe has already permitted this type of request on his pages. If he wishes to directly review this change too, I welcome it. My request to one of his other pages earlier in May was the only one I've ever made that needed a discussion to pass, and it was due to our views and knowledge on ''' vs <b>. This discussion was smoothly resolved, and my requests was permitted with his approval. I don't see his Award list being any different.
Sure, User_talk:MastCell/Barnstars is a bit longer of a request, but one request for 7 X to Ys to clear a longer page of all issues seemed reasonable opposed to the idea of multiple single X to Y requests over a longer period of time. I consider and weigh my requests so they are reasonable. This is why I did not request changes to all the other, lesser issues on [User talk:Versageek/Talk/Archive/2]].
I ask that you reconsider these three requests, as I've followed the rules at WP:EDITXY as I have for all other requests, and these three requests are in line with others I've made for all admin pages; clearly defined, noncontrovertial syntax corrections that fix visually broken issues.
Thank you for your time, Zinnober9 (talk) 07:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- The edit request queue serves as an important check against the protection policy, so patrolling it is an important workflow for other admins. I'm not saying there is anything intrinsically wrong with asking for these changes, but it would be more appropriate to just ask on the base usertalk page of the user - especially when you are creating an entire new talk page that will unlikely ever be used for anything else ever - just to hold that request. If the user is inactive, you could add an administrator edit request there (or if they are lengthy inactive, perhaps the page doesn't need protecting anymore and it would be better to request its unprotection). — xaosflux Talk 09:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- Since you didn't object to change reason, just the method of how I went about requesting it, I wish you had just completed the requests and messaged me this info instead of declining them (because now I need to reference this conversation to confirm I'm not adminshopping on MastCell's and on Versageek's). But I will proceed with AERs on the talk pages for the remaining 5 protected pages with this error in User: space per your request of method used. Thank you for the reply. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:29, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
bot and page mover right[edit]
Hello. I was just wondering, do bots on enwiki have page mover access similar to auto-patrol? (on mrwiki bots have page mover access, but there is no special page-mover or "extended-mover" user-group there). Also, can bots move categories as well? or do they need to get page-mover flag? —usernamekiran (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran you can see all the permissions per group here: Special:ListGroupRights; if we have an approved bot that also needs something else, we usually just add the bot to additional groups. — xaosflux Talk 17:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- thanks. I looked at WP:User access levels, but I couldn't find the info there. ListGrouRights had that info. Apparently, bots are not added to "page movers" by default, but they can move category pages. Thanks again, —usernamekiran (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran Comparing Page Movers to Bots, bots do not have: move, delete-redirect, move-subpages, or tboverride. However in practice bots will generally also be in the autoconfirmed group, so they would pick up "move" from there. If a bot needed some of the other permissions, for example Special:UserRights/ProcBot, it will also be added to other groups. — xaosflux Talk 18:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- thanks. I looked at WP:User access levels, but I couldn't find the info there. ListGrouRights had that info. Apparently, bots are not added to "page movers" by default, but they can move category pages. Thanks again, —usernamekiran (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Upload rights[edit]
Hi Xaosflux. I was hoping to upload an updated version of File:South Moravian Region CoA CZ.svg to Commons (per the request in the description), but it appears I don't have the requisite set of rights to do so. Could I kindly request the right to upload a newer version of that file on Commons? Much appreciated! Algum (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Algum go to commons:File:South_Moravian_Region_CoA_CZ.svg, check to make sure you are still logged in, then there is an upload new version control. If that isn't working, you will have to ask for help on commonswiki, perhaps here: commons:Commons:Help_desk. — xaosflux Talk 10:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello[edit]
Hi,I am anonymous user. बॉट has also added a description of Bangladesh Congress President Shirin Sharmin Chaudhury as acting president, even though he has not served as president.Others have added English to the official language of Equatorial Guinea. Other notes were added that Muhammad Ahmad Mahgoub, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Sudan, had served as President after I confirmed that he had never served as President. please pay attention to बॉट. By the way, it has progressed to an editing war. Please really help me. 240F:31:3402:1:44C6:DFA8:21CE:17C0 (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
bot-related nonsense
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In this article, we'll examine IP bans in-depth and provide you with some helpful tips on how to prevent them बॉट (talk) 07:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
IPv6 पते को IPv4 पते में बदलने का कोई तरीका (*) नहीं है क्योंकि उन दो प्रणालियों का स्वतंत्र रूप से उपयोग किया जाता है। (* बहुत ही विशेष मामलों को छोड़कर जो बहुत कम ही लागू होते हैं, नीचे देखें।) आप वास्तव में IPv6 पते को IPv4 पते में क्यों बदलना चाहते हैं? बेहतर समझ के लिए एक मोटा सादृश्य लैंडलाइन बनाम मोबाइल फोन हो सकता है। कुछ लोगों के पास दोनों हो सकते हैं और आप उन तक पहुंचने के लिए उनके निर्दिष्ट नंबर (आईपी पते) दोनों का उपयोग कर सकते हैं, कुछ लोगों के पास केवल एक मोबाइल फोन है और कोई लैंडलाइन नहीं है (या इसके विपरीत)। आप IPv4 और IPv6 पतों की तरह एक लैंडलाइन नंबर को एक मोबाइल नंबर में "रूपांतरित" नहीं कर सकते हैं और इसके विपरीत। वे "6to4 नोटेशन" और "IPv4-मैप्ड नोटेशन" IPv6 के शुरुआती समय से विशेष उपयोग के मामलों के बारे में हैं। IPv4 लिंक पर IPv6 को टनल करने के लिए 6to4 संकेतन का उपयोग किया गया था, और IPv4- मैप किए गए संकेतन का उपयोग IPv6 नोड्स को IPv4-केवल नोड्स का प्रतिनिधित्व करने के लिए आंतरिक प्रतिनिधित्व उद्देश्यों के लिए किया जाता है। ऐसा कुछ भी नहीं है जो आपके लिए मददगार हो। आपके उद्देश्यों के लिए, लंबे IPv6 पते पुराने, छोटे IPv4 पतों की तरह ही हैं। वे एक ही उद्देश्य की पूर्ति करते हैं, वे बहुत बड़ी पता सीमा के कारण अधिक लंबे होते हैं। बॉट (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
Remembering password when IP is blocked[edit]
Hello Xaos!
In one of my wikiworkshops some weeks ago I remember encountering a rather unexpected behavior in 2 of my attendees: They had forgotten the password and were trying to go through the "I forgot the password" method to log in with the email method. However they weren't being allowed to go through with that because apparently the IP they were using was part of an IP range block. I've tried researching a bit about this phenomenon around meanwhile but couldn't find much information. Is this a well-known thing? Is it "accepted"? It looked rather disturbing to me that one basically may lose control of their account if they have forgotten their password and had the bad luck of being part of an IP range block. Of course, one may ask an exemption and then go through with that but people who have forgotten passwords usually aren't that calm and no new user really knows how and where to ask for an exemption because they don't understand what's going on in the first place, or as they put it, "why was I blocked???". In my case both users ended up opening a new account straight away, without even letting me time to intervene and help. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi it is the expected behavior. There has a been a little bit of discussion about changing it in phab:T109909, mostly stalled that there would need to be a global discussion in support. Password reset requests may be used to harass other users. It most cases, IP range blocks aren't "anonymous only" - meaning they won't be able to contribute even if they did log in. There are a few workarounds: (a) if the user has access to a non-blocked range, they can use that. (b) if the block is only on one project, they could use another project to do the reset (not useful for global ip blocks). (c) they could request someone else reset their password for them via off-wiki channels such as VRT or UTRS. — xaosflux Talk 13:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- I see... Unfortunately none of those options work for new users. They literally have no idea what's going on on the first place; I'd need to write novellas as system messages to explain to them what IP editing is, what IP range blocks are and how, because of technical reasons, they somehow can't request a password change, which maybe I would but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the block as it would come paired with instructions on how to evade it. (Security through obscurity is not the best way but it has been working for us in this matter.)
In the last 5 years, we have had only 1 IP range block active (we have discussed about it together in the past, if you remember). It is annonymous only. That has been enough for me to get contacted every 2-3 months on my social medias privately by random users who get the message "You are blocked by Klein Muçi" and get confused a lot when they see it. It takes me around 45 minutes to explain what IP editing and IP range blocks are and how they can solve what they're experiencing by just logging in (or creating an account), considering that the block is anonymous only. With the added variable of the blocked password reset the task becomes almost impossible, especially when considering people of a rather old age that have difficulties to use the computer to begin with.
And we're talking only about people that actually put in the effort to track me down online. There are many, many users that just give up as soon as they see the block message. This is a problem of IP range blocks themselves but the password thing makes it worse.
But anyway, I'll have to continue this conversation on the phab task, you already helped me in the right direction. Thank you! — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)- @Klein Muçi yup, personally I think that we probably should either split that, or tie it to the "account creation" block flag there. — xaosflux Talk 09:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi if that goes nowhere, may want to bring this up at metawiki. — xaosflux Talk 09:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi just some notes workflow wise: if your ip is blocked and you can't do a password reset, the Special:passwordreset link shouldn't show on the log in page. Everyone gets the MediaWiki:userlogin-helplink2 link, which goes to mw:Help:Logging in. — xaosflux Talk 10:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- What would be the general workflow for the Meta request though? Forum post referencing phab task? I've tried posting in Meta before but I've failed acquiring much attention in general. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi to get anywhere you'd probably need a global meta:Requests for comment - specifically asking for some sort of new standard. You could workshop it somewhere and ask for input at meta:Wikimedia Forum and various village pumps first. — xaosflux Talk 14:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- Tried with WM Forum. Let's see... — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi to get anywhere you'd probably need a global meta:Requests for comment - specifically asking for some sort of new standard. You could workshop it somewhere and ask for input at meta:Wikimedia Forum and various village pumps first. — xaosflux Talk 14:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- What would be the general workflow for the Meta request though? Forum post referencing phab task? I've tried posting in Meta before but I've failed acquiring much attention in general. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi just some notes workflow wise: if your ip is blocked and you can't do a password reset, the Special:passwordreset link shouldn't show on the log in page. Everyone gets the MediaWiki:userlogin-helplink2 link, which goes to mw:Help:Logging in. — xaosflux Talk 10:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi if that goes nowhere, may want to bring this up at metawiki. — xaosflux Talk 09:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi yup, personally I think that we probably should either split that, or tie it to the "account creation" block flag there. — xaosflux Talk 09:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- I see... Unfortunately none of those options work for new users. They literally have no idea what's going on on the first place; I'd need to write novellas as system messages to explain to them what IP editing is, what IP range blocks are and how, because of technical reasons, they somehow can't request a password change, which maybe I would but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the block as it would come paired with instructions on how to evade it. (Security through obscurity is not the best way but it has been working for us in this matter.)
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Nice to meet you, Im a anonymous user. I have never created an account.Do you have any questions about me. 240F:31:3402:1:44C6:DFA8:21CE:17C0 (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- You may want to see WP:TEAHOUSE for help as a new user. — xaosflux Talk 13:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost: 5 June 2023[edit]
- News and notes: WMRU director forks new 'pedia, birds flap in top '22 piccy, WMF weighs in on Indian gov's map axe plea
- Featured content: Poetry under pressure
- Traffic report: Celebs, controversies and a chatbot in the public eye
Remove User:Pahunkat from mentor list[edit]
Pahunkat hasn't edited since last year and is not on break. Special:ManageMentors Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Sungodtemple would you please drop an edit request here for this; I or someone will get to it. — xaosflux Talk 09:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2023[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
- As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.
Technical news
- Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.
Arbitration
- The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.
Miscellaneous
- Following a community referendum, the arbitration policy has been modified to remove the ability for users to appeal remedies to Jimbo Wales.
Tech News: 2023-23[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The RealMe extension allows you to mark URLs on your user page as verified for Mastodon and similar software.
- Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [7]
- Previously, clicking on someone else's link to Recent Changes with filters applied within the URL could unintentionally change your preference for "Group results by page". This has now been fixed. [8]
Problems
- For a few days last week, some tools and bots returned outdated information due to database replication problems, and may have been down entirely while it was being fixed. These issues have now been fixed. [9]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
- Bots will no longer be prevented from making edits because of URLs that match the spam blacklist. [10]
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Request Regarding Global Usurpation[edit]
Hi Xaosflux, can I email you about a special request involving global usurps? Les Yper-Sound (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Les Yper-Sound sure, though I may refer you to renamers@wikimedia.org or somewhere. — xaosflux Talk 22:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Understood. Thanks! Les Yper-Sound (talk) 23:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Image requested template[edit]
Hi, I saw you were one of the main contributors to the {{Photo requested}} template. I'm new to templates so was hoping you could help me with something. Specifically, adding a parameter for satellite images and adding a category for Satellite images requested. I've been uploading a lot of Sentinel-2 satellite images recently and I'd be nice to have a category for requests. I'm also sending this message to Swpb. PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 12:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- @PalauanLibertarian the place to discuss improvements to that template is Template talk:Photo requested, you could also ask a Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Photography. — xaosflux Talk 13:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 15:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-24[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The content attribution tools Who Wrote That?, XTools Authorship, and XTools Blame now support the Dutch, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Polish and Portuguese Wikipedias. This was the #7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [11]
- The Search Preview panel has been deployed on four Wikipedias (Catalan, Dutch, Hungarian and Norwegian). The panel will show an image related to the article (if existing), the top sections of the article, related images (coming from MediaSearch on Commons), and eventually the sister projects associated with the article. [12]
- The RealMe extension now allows administrators to verify URLs for any page, for Mastodon and similar software. [13]
- The default project license has been officially upgraded to CC BY-SA 4.0. The software interface messages have been updated. Communities should feel free to start updating any mentions of the old CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing within policies and related documentation pages. [14]
Problems
- For three days last month, some Wikipedia pages edited with VisualEditor or DiscussionTools had an unintended
__TOC__(or its localized form) added during an edit. There is a listing of affected pages sorted by wiki, that may still need to be fixed. [15] - Currently, the "Sort this page by default as" feature in VisualEditor is broken. Existing
{{DEFAULTSORT:...}}keywords incorrectly appear as missing templates in VisualEditor. Developers are exploring how to fix this. In the meantime, those wishing to edit the default sortkey of a page are advised to switch to source editing. [16] 
Last week, an update to the delete form may have broken some gadgets or user scripts. If you need to manipulate (empty) the reason field, replace #wpReasonwith#wpReason > input. See an example fix. [17]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).
- VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on English Wikipedia on Monday, and all other large wikis on Thursday. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [18]
Future changes
- From 5 June to 17 July, the Foundation's Security team is holding a consultation with contributors regarding a draft policy to govern the use of third-party resources in volunteer-developed gadgets and scripts. Feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome at Third-party resources policy on meta-wiki.
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GUTENN MORGAN MEIN GUT FRIENDS[edit]
YOU NAME GUD ME NME BED BAD SORRRRY NO ENGLIS HEHE ME NO COOCl 64.90.240.78 (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Hallo. — xaosflux Talk 12:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nice German skills Xaosflux, I know a bit myself, Hallo. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 16:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost: 19 June 2023[edit]
- News and notes: WMF Terms of Use now in force, new Creative Commons licensing
- Featured content: Content, featured
- Recent research: Hoaxers prefer currently-popular topics
New bullet[edit]
There is a new bullet on account contributions pages:
• JavaScript-enhanced contributions lookup 0.2 enabled. You may enter a CIDR range or append an asterisk to do a prefix search. For IPv6, you must use capital letters for gadget matching; native contribution matching is not case-sensitive.
I don't understand what it's for. Was it announced or explained anywhere?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 I'm pretty sure that is coming from an opt-in gadget you have enabled,
Allow /16, /24 and /27 – /32 CIDR ranges on Special:Contributions forms, as well as wildcard prefix searches (e.g., "Splark*")
You can turn that of in preferences if you don't want it. — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)- Probably so, but I'm 99% certain the bullet wasn't there before on named accounts, and fairly certain it wasn't even there on IP contribution pages. I do use it on IPs to change the single IP contributions to a range, e.g., from 103.73.183.199 to 103.73.183.0/24 by clicking on the "Search for contributions" drop-down and typing in the range. But what would be the purpose of a CIDR range on a named account? And how exactly are you supposed to do a prefix search with an *? Are we talking about something like changing Xaosflux to Xaosflu*, meaning it would find all named account starting with Xaosflu? I kind of do that now but using "User rights" and not using the asterisk, meaning I would just put in Xaosflu, and it should retrieve all accounts starting with that. The gadget isn't new, and I knew I had it enabled as well, but the display is.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 hmm, ok - I can confirm it is coming from that gadget, I don't recall it showing on "named account" contribution pages previously, so this is likely a WP:ITSTHURSDAY thing. Please report issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-contribsrange.js; it doesn't look like there is an active maintainer for that gadget - but someone may be monitoring that page. — xaosflux Talk 14:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I put a pointer to this discussion on that page. Feel free to elaborate there if you wish. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- I'm taking it back here for a moment because I don't think others are necessarily interested in my quasi-personal comments. I don't know what has to be done, if anything, to the gadget. My suggestion is that at least the instructions be clarified. Personally, I don't see the point of using the * feature, but I'll continue to specify CIDR ranges as always. To do that, I must keep the gadget on, which means putting up with the irritating bullet, but I'm sure I'll get over it. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 16:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I put a pointer to this discussion on that page. Feel free to elaborate there if you wish. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 hmm, ok - I can confirm it is coming from that gadget, I don't recall it showing on "named account" contribution pages previously, so this is likely a WP:ITSTHURSDAY thing. Please report issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-contribsrange.js; it doesn't look like there is an active maintainer for that gadget - but someone may be monitoring that page. — xaosflux Talk 14:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Probably so, but I'm 99% certain the bullet wasn't there before on named accounts, and fairly certain it wasn't even there on IP contribution pages. I do use it on IPs to change the single IP contributions to a range, e.g., from 103.73.183.199 to 103.73.183.0/24 by clicking on the "Search for contributions" drop-down and typing in the range. But what would be the purpose of a CIDR range on a named account? And how exactly are you supposed to do a prefix search with an *? Are we talking about something like changing Xaosflux to Xaosflu*, meaning it would find all named account starting with Xaosflu? I kind of do that now but using "User rights" and not using the asterisk, meaning I would just put in Xaosflu, and it should retrieve all accounts starting with that. The gadget isn't new, and I knew I had it enabled as well, but the display is.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Recreating a deleted page[edit]
Hi, I'd like to re-create a previously deleted page. The article is about a well-known Indian television actress. Please assist.
- 21:19, 14 November 2018 RHaworth talk contribs deleted page Indira Krishnan (Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A7, G5) (thank)
Arjunsoumithran (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Arjunsoumithran the history of that page had half of one sentence on it, not worth recovering. However you are welcome to start an article on that subject. If you follow this link it will help you get started. — xaosflux Talk 18:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for helping me. Arjunsoumithran (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-25[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
- There is now a toolbar search popup in the visual editor. You can trigger it by typing
\or pressingctrl + shift + p. It can help you quickly access most tools in the editor. [21][22]
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Tech News: 2023-26[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Action API modules and Special:LinkSearch will now add a trailing
/to allprop=extlinksresponses for bare domains. This is part of the work to remove duplication in theexternallinksdatabase table. [23]
Problems
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
- The Minerva skin now applies more predefined styles to the
.mbox-textCSS class. This enables support for mbox templates that use divs instead of tables. Please make sure that the new styles won't affect other templates in your wiki. [26][27] - Gadgets will now load on both desktop and mobile by default. Previously, gadgets loaded only on desktop by default. Changing this default using the
|targets=parameter is also deprecated and should not be used. You should make gadgets work on mobile or disable them based on the skin (with the|skins=parameter in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition) rather than whether the user uses the mobile or the desktop website. Popular gadgets that create errors on mobile will be disabled by developers on the Minerva skin as a temporary solution. [28] - All namespace tabs now have the same browser access key by default. Previously, custom and extension-defined namespaces would have to have their access keys set manually on-wiki, but that is no longer necessary. [29]
- The review form of the Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standardized user interface components. [30]
Future changes
- How media is structured in the parser's HTML output will change in the coming weeks at group2 wikis. This change improves the accessibility of content. You may need to update your site-CSS, or userscripts and gadgets. There are details on what code to check, how to update the code, and where to report any related problems. [31]
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CSS question[edit]
Hi!
Can you take a quick look at SqWiki's main page? The body is made up of 4 blocks which can have dynamic content (especially the 2 on the left side of it). Is there a way I can make them be always aligned with CSS? (Maybe by making them auto-increase the padding around content on the smallest blocks to match the content on the bigger blocks?) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi do you mean the vertical alignment of the left 2 with the right 2, such that they are a grid while they are in a 2x2 format? (Do you want the boxes to grown larger with a bunch of whitespace at the bottom of some of them if their side neighbor is much larger?) — xaosflux Talk 10:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. Maybe the whitespace can be evenly distributed on both sides, top and bottom. Whatever is better for the eyes, really. I've tried reading around about finding a way on how to achieve this but I haven't been able to find much so I haven't tested anything to know what would work better visually. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:25, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I don't know of any "quick" answers to this. Suggest you build a VERY simple page with just 4 squares of various heights, a basic css, load the page with a ?withcss type argument --- so that you get a working sandbox not also tied in to everything else on the main page, then you could ask over at WP:VPT. — xaosflux Talk 10:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I will do that if I find the time to recreate that environment. Thank you for letting me know!
- — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I will do that if I find the time to recreate that environment. Thank you for letting me know!
- I suggest searching online for references on CSS grid. As per the name, it's the best way to layout elements in a grid ;-). isaacl (talk) 21:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I don't know of any "quick" answers to this. Suggest you build a VERY simple page with just 4 squares of various heights, a basic css, load the page with a ?withcss type argument --- so that you get a working sandbox not also tied in to everything else on the main page, then you could ask over at WP:VPT. — xaosflux Talk 10:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. Maybe the whitespace can be evenly distributed on both sides, top and bottom. Whatever is better for the eyes, really. I've tried reading around about finding a way on how to achieve this but I haven't been able to find much so I haven't tested anything to know what would work better visually. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:25, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2023[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).
Administrator changes
Bureaucrat changes
Guideline and policy news
- Contributions to the English Wikipedia are now released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of CC BY-SA 3.0. Contributions are still also released under the GFDL license.
Technical news
- Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.
Arbitration
- Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.
An Official Investigation[edit]
Disappointed[edit]
I want to submit an official investigation into what happened today regarding the two articles Draft:Khaled Al Saif, Draft:Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Humanitarian City and either the result of the investigation is that I am guilty and I am banned from editing on Wikipedia, or that the editors who treated me disrespectfully apologize to me and take back the article and a clear and frank apology on my talk page.
What happened was the clear disregard of the editors for people's minds and the use of their absolute power and acting as if Wikipedia belonged to them after fulfilling the conditions for the articles and talking to the help section in Wikipedia, and in the end they agreed with me on the note of the two articles. The editors come here and their words and their dealings differ. After advising the user @DoubleGrazing to apply for a revision of the draft to become an article, he deletes the draft and recklessly thinks about it. Is this a trap or what? After adding all the sources they want, he says that this is a paid article. As for the second article, he did not find anything that says except that this article was written by me in a publicity way. Deleting it from the beginning of the post I will not be sad, but I am saddened by the lack of respect he found here. I don't care about the two articles as much as I care about a clear and frank apology.
Here the answer from the User and the advice from him. John.GGVV (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- @John.GGVV: Hello. I'm not volunteering to get involved in this matter. Here are some next steps for you: (a) If you have questions about speedy deletions the first step is to ask the deleting administrator. You may see this in the deletion log. Please note, as neither of the users you mentioned above are administrators, neither can delete pages. (b) You may also ask for page restoratio at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. To discuss the new page review process you may ask at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 20:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost: 3 July 2023[edit]
- Disinformation report: Imploded submersible outfit foiled trying to sing own praises on Wikipedia
- Featured content: Incensed
- Traffic report: Are you afraid of spiders? Arnold? The Idol? ChatGPT?
Tech News: 2023-27[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- As part of the rolling out of the audio links that play on click wishlist proposal, small wikis will now be able to use the inline audio player that is implemented by the Phonos extension. [32]
- From this week all gadgets automatically load on mobile and desktop sites. If you see any problems with gadgets on your wikis, please adjust the gadget options in your gadget definitions file. [33]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 July. It will be on all wikis from 6 July (calendar).
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Former administrators[edit]
Is there a way to see a list of all former administrators, or, better still, all desysopped administrators, or, even more precisely, all desysopped, blocked/banned administrators? I'm trying to remember the username of an admin who was blocked for socking (a good while ago) and, IIRC, said the reason he socked was because he was "bored". I think the username was a common Anglo-Saxon first name followed by some numbers.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 Current admins with blocks would show at Special:Listusers/sysop. For the rest of what you are asking: not programmatically. Locally, we do have records maintained by editors at Wikipedia:Former administrators. You might be thinking of Edgar181. — xaosflux Talk 08:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, Edgar181, I was close, I even thought the username started with an E, but the name that kept sticking in my head was Eric. Thanks! That aside, the first link in your reply just shows current administrators - I don't see how it shows current administrators with blocks. Something I'm missing?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
A barnstar for you[edit]
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
| I don't remember whether I've ever given you a barnstar before; if not, it's long overdue. Thank you so much for helping me time and time again, as well as helping many other users.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:19, 5 July 2023 (UTC) |
Tech News: 2023-28[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Section-level Image Suggestions feature has been deployed on seven Wikipedias (Portuguese, Russian, Indonesian, Catalan, Hungarian, Finnish and Norwegian Bokmål). The feature recommends images for articles on contributors' watchlists that are a good match for individual sections of those articles.
- Global abuse filters have been enabled on all Wikimedia projects, except English and Japanese Wikipedias (who opted out). This change was made following a global request for comments. [34]
- Special:BlockedExternalDomains is a new tool for administrators to help fight spam. It provides a clearer interface for blocking plain domains (and their subdomains), is more easily searchable, and is faster for the software to process for each edit on the wiki. It does not support regex (for complex cases), nor URL path-matching, nor the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist, but otherwise it replaces most of the functionalities of the existing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. There is a Python script to help migrate all simple domains into this tool, and more feature details, within the tool's documentation. It is available at all wikis except for Meta-wiki, Commons, and Wikidata. [35]
- The WikiEditor extension was updated. It includes some of the most frequently used features of wikitext editing. In the past, many of its messages could only be translated by administrators, but now all regular translators on translatewiki can translate them. Please check the state of WikiEditor localization into your language, and if the "Completion" for your language shows anything less than 100%, please complete the translation. See a more detailed explanation.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 July. It will be on all wikis from 13 July (calendar).
- The default protocol of Special:LinkSearch and API counterparts has changed from http to both http and https. [36]
- Special:LinkSearch and its API counterparts will now search for all of the URL provided in the query. It used to be only the first 60 characters. This feature was requested fifteen years ago. [37]
Future changes
- There is an experiment with a ChatGPT plugin. This is to show users where the information is coming from when they read information from Wikipedia. It has been tested by Wikimedia Foundation staff and other Wikimedians. Soon all ChatGPT plugin users can use the Wikipedia plugin. This is the same plugin which was mentioned in Tech News 2023/20. [38]
- There is an ongoing discussion on a proposed Third-party resources policy. The proposal will impact the use of third-party resources in gadgets and userscripts. Based on the ideas received so far, policy includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, some best practices and exemption requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. Your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on on the policy talk page.
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2023 arbitration committee election RfC discussions moved to 2023 talk page[edit]
I have moved the discussions under Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2022 § Topics to review for 2023 to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023. Please feel free to continue discussion on the 2023 talk page! isaacl (talk) 21:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost: 17 July 2023[edit]
- In the media: Tentacles of Emirates plot attempt to ensnare Wikipedia
- Tips and tricks: What automation can do for you (and your WikiProject)
- Featured content: Scrollin', scrollin', scrollin', keep those readers scrollin', got to keep on scrollin', Rawhide!
- Traffic report: The Idol becomes the Master
Tech News: 2023-29[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- We are now serving 1% of all global user traffic from Kubernetes (you can read more technical details). We are planning to increment this percentage regularly. You can follow the progress of this work.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).
- MediaWiki system messages will now look for available local fallbacks, instead of always using the default fallback defined by software. This means wikis no longer need to override each language on the fallback chain separately. For example, English Wikipedia doesn't have to create
en-caanden-gbsubpages with a transclusion of the base pages anymore. This makes it easier to maintain local overrides. [39] - The
action=growthsetmentorstatusAPI will be deprecated with the new MediaWiki version. Bots or scripts calling that API should use theaction=growthmanagementorlistAPI now. [40]
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Community Configuration 2.0[edit]
Hello xaosflux
I’m contacting you as you edited Growth features configuration in the past, using Special:EditGrowthConfig. This page is visible to anyone, but only a selected group of users can edit it and configure Growth features
The Growth team plans to create a Community Configuration 2.0, based on Special:EditGrowthConfig.
This new feature will allow local administrators to change settings for Wikimedia Foundation-designed features. This way, they can configure the different features to best suit their wiki’s specific needs. This strategy eliminates the technical barrier for admins, to customize local settings. This also encourages a more inclusive and collaborative product development process.
But, there are currently two primary limitations to Community Configuration:
- Discoverability: Many Administrators are unaware of the existence of Community Configuration.
- Usage Scope: At present, only the Growth features can use Community Configuration.
We plan to integrate Community configuration into MediaWiki, as a default feature. Other Wikimedia Foundation teams and volunteer developers will be able to create Community configurable features. We expect this central place to be more discoverable.
Before the Growth team starts this project, we are seeking feedback, to guide our efforts in the right direction. We are particularly interested in your thoughts on the following:
- How do you feel about more Wikimedia Foundation features that can be configured (enabled, disabled, edited) by Administrators?
- Do you have any reservations or concerns about this idea?
- What can we do to ensure that all Administrators are well-informed about Community Configuration?
- How confident are Administrators in making changes using Community Configuration?
- Based on your experience editing Special:EditGrowthConfig, are any parts of the procedure unclear or ambiguous?
- Community Configuration should be visible to all. Should it only be modifiable by a select group of experienced Wikimedians?
- Should all configuration options be only editable by Administrators and interface administrators?
- Should we consider different user access levels for certain configuration options?
- Out of curiosity, do you have any thoughts on how many edits would be made to this community configuration page each year?
Your insights will be invaluable in shaping the trajectory of this project. We look forward to your constructive feedback!
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
All the best, Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
good source[edit]
This is a really good website, because I like to type and mess around in this website. 50.219.59.3 (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]
Hi, I saw you commented on a terms of use related edit at MediaWiki talk:Wikimedia-copyright#Protected edit request on 8 June 2023. Can it go ahead now, or is it still on hold? --Whym (talk) 03:49, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-30[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- On July 18, the Wikimedia Foundation launched a survey about the technical decision making process for people who do technical work that relies on software that is maintained by the Foundation or affiliates. If this applies to you, please take part in the survey. The survey will be open for three weeks, until August 7. You can find more information in the announcement e-mail on wikitech-l.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).
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non-transcluded BRFA[edit]
Hi. Not sure what to do with Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Hey Didn't. I mean, do we close it, or do we speedy it? Bbb has blocked the bot account for "not here", but botop is not blocked. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank You[edit]
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| These knucks symbolize my appreciation for the Wiki teamsters, such as yourself, who create pathways to knowledge through their diligent efforts working quietly behind the scenes. As a user I am grateful, now more than ever, so I felt prompted to say hello and show gratitude by saying thanks for setting an example for users, such as myself, to contribute more. Stay blessed, Saint, Stephen Gunning (talk) 09:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
Template talk:Infobox medal templates[edit]
Hello, this template have been found problems affect its visual appearance on mobile phone screens, however due to different configurations for CSS styles between desktop and mobile view, this would be noticed by our readers. First, the top item of the content occupied this template having a wide grey stripe at the top. Second, the left column occupied half of template width, which looks very inconsistent among different devices. I've made fix in its sandbox page, and you'll see the problems on main template via these screenshots:
Would you like to apply my fix on main template? Do you have any more idea for this? Thanks. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- Please open a new edit request at Template talk:Infobox medal templates; a patrolling template editor will get to it. — xaosflux Talk 15:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- OK I did. --Great Brightstar (talk) 17:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-31[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Synchronizer tool is now available to keep Lua modules synced across Wikimedia wikis, along with updated documentation to develop global Lua modules and templates.
- The tag filter on Special:NewPages and revision history pages can now be inverted. For example, you can hide edits that were made using an automated tool. [41][42]
- The Wikipedia ChatGPT plugin experiment can now be used by ChatGPT users who can use plugins. You can participate in a video call if you want to talk about this experiment or similar work. [43]
Problems
- It was not possible to generate a PDF for pages with non-Latin characters in the title, for the last two weeks. This has now been fixed. [44]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).
- Starting on Tuesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Georgian Wikipedia, Kara-Kalpak Wikipedia, Kabyle Wikipedia, Kabardian Wikipedia, Kabiyè Wikipedia, Kikuyu Wikipedia, Kazakh Wikipedia, Khmer Wikipedia, Kannada Wikipedia, Kashmiri Wikipedia, Colognian Wikipedia, Kurdish Wikipedia, Cornish Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [45]
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The Signpost: 1 August 2023[edit]
- News and notes: City officials attempt to doxx Wikipedians, Ruwiki founder banned, WMF launches Mastodon server
- In the media: Truth, AI, bull from politicians, and climate change
- Disinformation report: Hot climate, hot hit, hot money, hot news hot off the presses!
- Tips and tricks: Citation tools for dummies!
- In focus: Journals cited by Wikipedia
- Opinion: Are global bans the last step?
- Featured content: Featured Content, 1 to 15 July
- Traffic report: Come on Oppie, let's go party
Please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pppery/Bureaucrat chat and join the discussion when you have an opportunity. Maxim (talk) 18:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-32[edit]
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Recent changes
- Mobile Web editors can now edit a whole page at once. To use this feature, turn on "Advanced mode" in your settings and use the "Edit full page" button in the "More" menu. [46]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
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Administrators' newsletter – August 2023[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Technical news
- The tag filter on Special:NewPages and revision history pages can now be inverted. This allows hiding edits made by automated tools. (T334338)
- Special:BlockedExternalDomains is a new tool that allows easier blocking of plain domains (and their subdomains). This is more easily searchable and is faster for the software to use than the existing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. It does not support regex (for complex cases), URL path-matching, or the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist. (T337431)
Arbitration
- The arbitration cases named Scottywong and AlisonW closed 10 July and 16 July respectively.
- The SmallCat dispute arbitration case is in the workshop phase.
Tech News: 2023-33[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Content translation system is no longer using Youdao's machine translation service. The service was in place for several years, but due to no usage, and availability of alternatives, it was deprecated to reduce maintenance overheads. Other services which cover the same languages are still available. [47]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 August. It will be on all wikis from 17 August (calendar).
- Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Latin Wikipedia, Ladino Wikipedia, Luxembourgish Wikipedia, Lak Wikipedia, Lezghian Wikipedia, Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia, Ganda Wikipedia, Limburgish Wikipedia, Ligurian Wikipedia, Lombard Wikipedia, Lingala Wikipedia, Latgalian Wikipedia, Latvian Wikipedia, Maithili Wikipedia, Basa Banyumasan Wikipedia, Moksha Wikipedia, Malagasy Wikipedia, Armenian Wikipedia, Kyrgyz Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [48]
Future changes
- A few gadgets/user scripts which add icons to the Minerva skin need to have their CSS updated. There are more details available including a search for all existing instances and how to update them.
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The Signpost: 15 August 2023[edit]
- News and notes: Dude, Where's My Donations? Wikimedia Foundation announces another million in grants for non-Wikimedia-related projects
- Tips and tricks: How to find images for your articles, check their copyright, upload them, and restore them
- Cobwebs: Getting serious about writing
- Serendipity: Why I stopped taking photographs almost altogether
- Featured content: Barbenheimer confirmed
- Traffic report: 'Cause today it just goes with the fashion
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Tech News: 2023-34[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The GDrive to Commons Uploader tool is now available. It enables securely selecting and uploading files from your Google Drive directly to Wikimedia Commons. [49]
- From now on, we will announce new Wikimedia wikis in Tech News, so you can update any tools or pages.
- Since the last edition, two new wikis have been created:
- To catch up, the next most recent six wikis are:
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 August. It will be on all wikis from 24 August (calendar).
Future changes
- There is an existing stable interface policy for MediaWiki backend code. There is a proposed stable interface policy for frontend code. This is relevant for anyone who works on gadgets or Wikimedia frontend code. You can read it, discuss it, and let the proposer know if there are any problems. [58]
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Assistance needed with content model changes[edit]
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/local.css
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/external.css
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/master.css
Can you change these from normal text to CSS for me? It is necessary to do some repair work on Signpost styling. Thanks. jp×g 20:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Question[edit]
I noticed you removed the {{in use}} tag from Islamic Bill of Rights for Women in the Mosque even though it was actively being edited. Also, it seems the edit history has been suppressed. May I ask why? There's nothing in the in-use template instructions that says not to use it logged-out.
Not saying it's wrong, I genuinely want to understand if there's a policy at play. By way of context, there's a proposal to substantially change the article at the AfD discussion, and these changes seem to be a constructive part of that. Oblivy (talk) 10:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Oblivy there's a combination of things that went on with a few different admins. The edits made from 20230825T092551 to 20230825T094351 were made by an editor that claimed to be inadvertently logged out - an oversighter removed the username (an IP address) on request under WP:OSPOL criteria 1. Only the username portion of those edits has been suppressed, the content is available. In this specific case, multiple oversighters, including me, were all working on the suppression request at the same time. As the current version now had no one specific to attribute it to, I reverted to the last published version that had attribution (yours). We let the suppression requester know that if those were their edits, they are welcome to redo them once they are logged in (as is anyone else). Please let me know if you have any other questions on the administrative actions involved here. — xaosflux Talk 12:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I think it makes sense. As I understand it, a otherwise-registered editor didn't want to show up by IP, so their edits were reversed and the IP hidden and they can recreate the edits later. I had seen the original edits, which seemed good-faith, so I was wondering if there was some rule against IP editors putting an in-use template on the article (or something). No need to reply unless I'm totally off base. Oblivy (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Oblivy I'm not aware of any specific policy about the use of Template:in use. My own personal practice is that if I have to remove attribution from the "current version" of an article, then I revert it -- if someone won't claim the responsibility for what we are presenting to readers, then we probably shouldn't present that revision to readers. Sometimes I make an edit and claim it myself, but in this case I didn't want to. Anyone is welcome to revert my last revert and publish a prior version (taking responsibility for it). In case it wasn't clear, the content of the prior edits is right there in the history for anyone to see still. — xaosflux Talk 12:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, I think it makes sense. As I understand it, a otherwise-registered editor didn't want to show up by IP, so their edits were reversed and the IP hidden and they can recreate the edits later. I had seen the original edits, which seemed good-faith, so I was wondering if there was some rule against IP editors putting an in-use template on the article (or something). No need to reply unless I'm totally off base. Oblivy (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you[edit]
So this is twice now that I've pinged you about that topic. I hope that that's been ok. I don't know where else or who else would be good to point people to. Well, that and I know that when I ask you, I can trust the answer : )
Thanks again for all that you do : ) - jc37 12:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Jc37 always welcome to, if you have a longer question on that you can also post at WP:IANB (feel free to ping me there too). — xaosflux Talk 14:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oh ok, thank you, and thank you : ) - jc37 16:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-35[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- As part of the changes for the better diff handling of paragraph splits, improved detection of splits is being rolled out. Over the last two weeks, we deployed this support to group0 and group1 wikis. This week it will be deployed to group2 wikis. [59]
- All Special:Contributions pages now show the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. [60]
- Wikisource users can now use the
prpbengalicurrencylabel to denote Bengali currency characters as page numbers inside the<pagelist>tag. [61] - Two preferences have been relocated. The preference "Enable the visual editor" is now shown on the "Editing" tab at all wikis. Previously it was shown on the "Beta features" tab at some wikis. The preference "Use the wikitext mode inside the visual editor, instead of a different wikitext editor" is now also shown on the "Editing" tab at all wikis, instead of the "Beta features" tab. [62][63]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 August. It will be on all wikis from 31 August (calendar).
- New signups for a Wikimedia developer account will start being pushed towards idm.wikimedia.org, rather than going via Wikitech. Further information about the new system is available.
- All right-to-left language wikis, plus Korean, Armenian, Ukrainian, Russian, and Bulgarian Wikipedias, will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the Wikimedia URL Shortener. This feature will come to more wikis in future weeks. [64]
Future changes
- The removal of the DoubleWiki extension is being discussed. This extension currently allows Wikisource users to view articles from multiple language versions side by side when the
<=>symbol next to a specific language edition is selected. Comments on this are welcomed at the phabricator task. - A proposal has been made to merge the second hidden-categories list (which appears below the wikitext editing form) with the main list of categories (which is further down the page). More information is available on Phabricator; feedback is welcome!
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The Signpost: 31 August 2023[edit]
- From the editor: Beta version of signpost.news now online
- News and notes: You like RecentChanges?
- In the media: Taking it sleazy
- Recent research: The five barriers that impede "stitching" collaboration between Commons and Wikipedia
- Draftspace: Bad Jokes and Other Draftspace Novelties
- Humour: The Dehumourification Plan
- Traffic report: Raise your drinking glass, here's to yesterday
Administrators' newsletter – September 2023[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
- A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that
[s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment
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Technical news
- Special:Contributions now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. (T324166)
Arbitration
- The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming
local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus
. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged tonote when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful
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Miscellaneous
- Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.
Tech News: 2023-36[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- EditInSequence, a feature that allows users to edit pages faster on Wikisource has been moved to a Beta Feature based on community feedback. To enable it, you can navigate to the beta features tab in Preferences. [65]
- As part of the changes for the Generate Audio for IPA and Audio links that play on click wishlist proposals, the inline audio player mode of Phonos has been deployed to all projects. [66]
- There is a new option for Administrators when they are changing the usergroups for a user, to add the user’s user page to their watchlist. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. [67]
- One new wiki has been created:
Problems
- The LoginNotify extension was not sending notifications since January. It has now been fixed, so going forward, you may see notifications for failed login attempts, and successful login attempts from a new device. [69]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 September. It will be on all wikis from 7 September (calendar).
- Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Eastern Mari Wikipedia, Maori Wikipedia, Minangkabau Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Mongolian Wikipedia, Marathi Wikipedia, Western Mari Wikipedia, Malay Wikipedia, Maltese Wikipedia, Mirandese Wikipedia, Erzya Wikipedia, Mazanderani Wikipedia, Nāhuatl Wikipedia, Neapolitan Wikipedia, Low German Wikipedia, Low Saxon Wikipedia, Nepali Wikipedia, Newari Wikipedia, Norwegian Nynorsk Wikipedia, Novial Wikipedia, N'Ko Wikipedia, Nouormand Wikipedia, Northern Sotho Wikipedia, Navajo Wikipedia, Nyanja Wikipedia, Occitan Wikipedia, Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia, Oromo Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Ossetic Wikipedia, Punjabi Wikipedia, Pangasinan Wikipedia, Pampanga Wikipedia, Papiamento Wikipedia, Picard Wikipedia, Pennsylvania German Wikipedia, Palatine German Wikipedia, Norfuk / Pitkern Wikipedia, Piedmontese Wikipedia, Western Punjabi Wikipedia, Pontic Wikipedia, Pashto Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [70][71]
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Question[edit]
I went to look at the WP:BAG list and saw that you were on it : )
I thought I'd ask you here, rather than ping you there, this time, but you are of course welcome to answer here or there (or not) as you prefer.
Anyway, my main question is: I remember (somewhat vaguely) the various messes and Betacommand. And one of the things that I remember being talked about are edit rates, and so on. I'm not sure how they would specifically apply here, but speed of editing and perhaps not being as diligent as some might want, seeems to be the crux of things here. But I'm not sure how serious we should see this to be. For example, how fast is "bot fast"? Do we have any sort of rough benchmarks for semi-automated editing? Basically I want to AGF of the editor here. But if this is a genuine problem, then I'd like to see it faitly addressed. What comes to my mind is the second half of "Be bold, but not reckless".
I guess I'm in the spot of: I don't know what I don't know. And I'd like to make a better-informed decision on this. - jc37 17:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Jc37 like most stuff here, it depends. I don't have time to dive in to that whole case, but in general if someone is making repeated "bad edits" - they need to stop and correct their behavior, regardless of if it is tool assisted. AWB bots are free - if the nature of the edits is something that really doesn't require human review, then there is benefit to others by using a flagged account -- that doesn't seem to be the case here, as the original complaint was that these are bad edits. As far as edit rate, back to the first claim - it doesn't matter if the edits are "bad", no rate is OK. Only if all the edits are "good" should rate start to be examined; 1 one time batch of say 100 edits in a minute isn't necessarily a brightline - but doing that every day could be. The reason is that high speed editing can overwhelm the ability for edits to be reviewed by others - and even be disruptive to the process by flooding recent changes and watchlists. Sorry this isn't a super clear response, but it is a nuanced subject. — xaosflux Talk 17:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. With what (little lol) I know, that was very informative. I appreciate it. - jc37 18:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
"Wikipedia:VPP" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]
The redirect Wikipedia:VPP has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 9 § Wikipedia:VPP until a consensus is reached. —Matr1x-101 (Ping me when replying) {user page (@ commons) - talk} 14:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Userbox[edit]
I see that they are semi-inactive, if they aren't around to respond, I can just make a new userbox in template-space of you like. - jc37 18:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- If no response in a reasonable time, I'll restore it to another space to keep the history - ping me. — xaosflux Talk 18:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oh ok. Wasn't sure if you wanted/needed assistance, so thought I'd offer : ) - jc37 18:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-37[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- ORES, the revision evaluation service, is now using a new open-source infrastructure on all wikis except for English Wikipedia and Wikidata. These two will follow this week. If you notice any unusual results from the Recent Changes filters that are related to ORES (for example, "Contribution quality predictions" and "User intent predictions"), please report them. [72]
- When you are logged in on one Wikimedia wiki and visit a different Wikimedia wiki, the system tries to log you in there automatically. This has been unreliable for a long time. You can now visit the login page to make the system try extra hard. If you feel that made logging in better or worse than it used to be, your feedback is appreciated. [73]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 September. It will be on all wikis from 14 September (calendar).
- The Technical Decision-Making Forum Retrospective team invites anyone involved in the technical field of Wikimedia projects to signup to and join one of their listening sessions on 13 September. Another date will be scheduled later. The goal is to improve the technical decision-making processes.
- As part of the changes for the Better diff handling of paragraph splits wishlist proposal, the inline switch widget in diff pages is being rolled out this week to all wikis. The inline switch will allow viewers to toggle between a unified inline or two-column diff wikitext format. [74]
Future changes
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 20 September. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [75]
- The Enterprise API is launching a new feature called "breaking news". Currently in BETA, this attempts to identify likely "newsworthy" topics as they are currently being written about in any Wikipedia. Your help is requested to improve the accuracy of its detection model, especially on smaller language editions, by recommending templates or identifiable editing patterns. See more information at the documentation page on MediaWiki or the FAQ on Meta.
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The Signpost: 16 September 2023[edit]
- In the media: "Just flirting", going Dutch and Shapps for the defence?
- Obituary: Nosebagbear
- Featured content: Catching up
- Traffic report: Some of it's magic, some of it's tragic
Tech News: 2023-38[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- MediaWiki now has a stable interface policy for frontend code that more clearly defines how we deprecate MediaWiki code and wiki-based code (e.g. gadgets and user scripts). Thank you to everyone who contributed to the content and discussions. [76][77]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 September. It will be on all wikis from 21 September (calendar).
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [78]
- All wikis will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the Wikimedia URL Shortener. [79]
Future changes
- The team investigating the Graph Extension posted a proposal for reenabling it and they need your input.
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Short descriptions and settlement infoboxes[edit]
Hello! Can you help me understand something better? I was checking this list of needed templates in my homewiki and a lot of them are "shortdescriptions". Apparently they come from {{Infobox settlement}} but I'm not sure how that is supposed to work exactly. You set the type and you get an automatic template? I haven't seen such auto-generated templates in EnWiki. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi that template (here at least) is pulling in at least one lua module, which is trying to build short descriptions along the way. By default, the short descriptions from wikidata would otherwise be used. If you don't want that functionality in your template on sqwiki you should remove it; I expect this is one of those "the English Wikipedia volunteers built a very complicated template that probably shouldn't just be imported to another project as-is" sort of things. — xaosflux Talk 18:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's not a matter whether I want that functionality or not in our template. I literally don't understand what is going on exactly. Can you give me an example here on the English Wikipedia where a similar short description template is auto-created? I want to see the process at work to know how to fine-tune it for us. I have the same number of modules involved in that template with the same identic content. — Klein Muçi (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Here's an example:
- Katanga Province is an article that uses Template:Infobox settlement
- That templates invokes Module:Settlement short description
- That module builds the description input based off of other parameters that were input with the text calling the template from the article. This is using various string lookups and replacements
- Results:
- The wikidata description for this page is
Katanga was one of the four large provinces created in the Belgian Congo in 1914. It was one of the eleven provinces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo between 1966 and 2015 - The local description for this page is
Former province in DR Congo
- The wikidata description for this page is
- For more help on this, please follow up at: Template talk:Infobox settlement. — xaosflux Talk 14:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- But again, I don't see the said module create templates like it is doing in here for us. :/ This is all I'm asking. I'll ask at the respective talk page. — Klein Muçi (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi ah OK, not sure - if I had to guess one of the string handling lines in the lua module are failing on the character set (e.g. not knowing how to change case of "ë" in "Qytezë"). — xaosflux Talk 16:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- But again, I don't see the said module create templates like it is doing in here for us. :/ This is all I'm asking. I'll ask at the respective talk page. — Klein Muçi (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- Here's an example:
- It's not a matter whether I want that functionality or not in our template. I literally don't understand what is going on exactly. Can you give me an example here on the English Wikipedia where a similar short description template is auto-created? I want to see the process at work to know how to fine-tune it for us. I have the same number of modules involved in that template with the same identic content. — Klein Muçi (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Tech News: 2023-39[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The Vector 2022 skin will now remember the pinned/unpinned status for the Table of Contents for all logged-out users. [80]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September (calendar).
- The ResourceLoader
mediawiki.uimodules are now deprecated as part of the move to Vue.js and Codex. There is a guide for migrating from MediaWiki UI to Codex for any tools that use it. More details are available in the task and your questions are welcome there. - Gadget definitions will have a new "namespaces" option. The option takes a list of namespace IDs. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages in the given namespaces.
Future changes
- New variables will be added to AbuseFilter:
global_account_groupsandglobal_account_editcount. They are available only when an account is being created. You can use them to prevent blocking automatic creation of accounts when users with many edits elsewhere visit your wiki for the first time. [81][82]
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Wikipedia mobile apps teams. During the meeting, we will discuss the current features and future roadmap. The meeting will be on 27 October at 17:00 (UTC). See details and how to join.
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Tech News: 2023-40[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new user preference for "Always enable safe mode". This setting will make pages load without including any on-wiki JavaScript or on-wiki stylesheet pages. It can be useful for debugging broken JavaScript gadgets. [83]
- Gadget definitions now have a new "contentModels" option. The option takes a list of page content models, like
wikitextorcss. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages with the given content models.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October (calendar).
Future changes
- The Vector 2022 skin will no longer use the custom styles and scripts of Vector legacy (2010). The change will be made later this year or in early 2024. See how to adjust the CSS and JS pages on your wiki. [84]
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ITN entries[edit]
Hello. I hope you are doing well.
I'm currently working on a bot to archive the ITN entries. So far, I've worked out everything, but there is only one issue now. Basically, the bot covers additions of entries, updates to existing entries (eg death tolls), and removal of entries. The bot can process multiple additions in the same edit, but I haven't been able to process removal if there is an addition at the same time. This always happens when someone updates recent deaths. While removal of death is not very much important, the removal of other news blurb/event should be mentioned in the archive page (e.g. natural disasters, bombings, and similar stuff).
So my actual question is: would it be appropriate to request regular ITN updaters to remove only one news blurb in a single edit, and add an invisible comment regarding this in the ITN template? I have created archive of Sept 2023. By taking a look at it, you will realise what I am talking about. Kindly let me know what you think. There is also a longer discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news#Archive of ITN postings. —usernamekiran (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran as the pool of people that could update it is so large, and the reason you want this is not for the benefit of readers I don't expect it would get done reliably. The better fix seems to be to improve the bot logic. — xaosflux Talk 03:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- yes, I had the same reservations you mentioned. I thought adding an invisible comment along the lines "remove only one news blurb in one edit without adding, or removing anything else", like we already have "Post ongoing items in alphabetical order" would be feasible. I have tried a lot, but because of the way pywikibot processes the diffs, it is proving difficult. I will try again, or maybe I'll come up with some work-around/heuristics. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
More details about EFH granting requirements and required trust[edit]
Hello xaosflux! While I regularly help in WP:EFFPR dealing with false positives by public filters, how could I make sure I could be trusted to have the edit filter helper right? Note that despite reading the granting guidelines [I am currently an extended confirmed user, have a secure password with 2FA enabled, have never been blocked or sanctioned (a clean block log), and can understand the English language (near native ability)], how can the community trust me to have the right?
I have thoroughly read WP:EFH about the revocation guidelines (sharing sensitive details to users without the right, abuse of edit filters, etc.), and I don't have any intent to assist with edit filters as I have a very basic ability to understand regex expressions, other than dealing with false positives. And note that I do not plan to request the edit filter helper right at this moment.
If there are any concerns or issues, you are welcome to ask me about them here, thank you! Signed, 64andtim (any problems?) 04:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- @64andtim in general: be active for a while (5 months is likely going to be consider a bit short); participate in areas where this is needed (such a /FP). You should also seek to remedy your blocks on other WMF projects (I see you are blocked on maiwiki). — xaosflux Talk 10:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like I was unblocked over there due to said block being accidental. And which areas I should participate in FP? (it looks like I should be active for at least a year or more if they should trust me to get the user right). Signed, 64andtim (any problems?) 12:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Good news on that unblock! Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations is another related area. — xaosflux Talk 12:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like I was unblocked over there due to said block being accidental. And which areas I should participate in FP? (it looks like I should be active for at least a year or more if they should trust me to get the user right). Signed, 64andtim (any problems?) 12:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
The Signpost: 3 October 2023[edit]
- News and notes: Wikimedia Endowment financial statement published
- Recent research: Readers prefer ChatGPT over Wikipedia; concerns about limiting "anyone can edit" principle "may be overstated"
- Featured content: By your logic,
- Poetry: "The Sight"
Administrators' newsletter – September 2023[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).
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Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text:
Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.
Technical news
- Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)
Arbitration
Miscellaneous
- The 2023 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of one new CheckUser.
- Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections opens on 2 October and closes on 8 October.
en-gb/en-ca messages[edit]
I see you deleted MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb and MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-ca after we finally got phab:T229992 (yeah!)
Searches [85] [86] currently find 67 en-gb or en-ca MediaWiki messages.
61 duplicate en text (sometimes a little out of sync):
- MediaWiki:Cite error no link label group/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Blockiptext/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Protect-text/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Checkuser-locked/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Collapsible-expand/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Blockipsuccesstext/en-gb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- MediaWiki:Collapsible-collapse/en-gb (edit |