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"Time: Illusion stirred into gravity"
- Motto of The Salvation Space Force
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If you've never seen...[edit]

. . .Veiled Christ, a statue in Naples, Italy, depicting a knobbly-kneed Christ in the tomb, maybe click the image two or three times to enlarge it. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, has one of the only two Wikipedia article's which have to prove, with sources, that the topic was not the work of an alchemist (Anatomical machines, the second topic - exhibited at the same site). Step right up, and don't miss the modern looking couch, the two pillows with tassels, or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet. All of that carved from the same block of marble. Then literally a few steps away from Veiled Christ sits another "how'd he do that?" piece also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

One of life's pleasures[edit]

Watching Secretariat's 1973 Triple Crown races in order while knowing three things: 1) Secretariat's trainer, jockey, and owner realized before the third race that their horse could run full speed from start to finish, 2) while held back drastically at the first two Triple Crown events Secretariat still holds the fastest time in all three, and 3) Sham - the horse Secretariat trashed like a dancing bear in the Kentucky Derby - still holds the record for the Derby's second fastest time.

Here's the Kentucky Derby...holds him back...holds him wayyyy back, then the Preakness...holds him back, holds him back, and finally...the Belmont "he is moving like a tre-men-dous machine".

Possible best vandal edit in the categories of...[edit] IP wedding proposal, entered in the romantic vandal edit category[edit]

July 7, 2022: an IP proposes marriage on the same page as the above masterpiece, and creates their own. Wikipedians have a romantic side, even the bots, so nobody reverted until I did after two hours with a note saying it should be enough time, and wished the editor luck. Possibly unique on Wikipedia, and on such a good page for it (does anyone know of an earlier proposal on Wikipedia, especially one so page-topic related and so perfectly played out as he seemingly decides to marry her right there, between the two edits). These two stories intertwined throughout would make a fine film - Hallmark, are you listening?

This one time at band camp I vandalized a page[edit]

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal.

Always interesting[edit]

"The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work." quoted by User:Kizor in the New York Times

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but deservedly displayed on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadium[edit]

Here is another user's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.


Check this mystery out[edit]

Talk:Niece and nephew#Two generations???. An error has been prominent in the short lead of 'Niece and nephew' since March 2020, almost two years and nine months ago. The question "Why?" could qualify as a subject of a college thesis. It stayed uncorrected while 576,135 readers purposely came to the page, and if anyone noticed they didn't bother to correct it or tell anyone on Wikipedia, until an editor pointed it out on the talk page today. Fascinating on several levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Liberty Enlightening the World[edit]

Is this really necessary? While the full name may be relevant in the statue's article, I'm not sure it contributes anything useful to the Presidential dollar coins topic, being little more than trivia about a design element of the coin. Also, I think here you're thinking of second spouse, as all first spouses so far have been women. - ZLEA T\C 14:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Duh, yes, second spouse, my mistake (hopefully not a premonition). Thanks ZLEA. The real name of the statue seems relevant in addition to using the common nickname. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Common labor ... can wreck in a day or two ... what builders have taken a year to do"[edit]

Which of these roles have I tried to play?

Am I a builder who works with care
Measuring life by a rule and square?

Am I shaping my deeds to a well made plan,
Patiently doing the best I can?

Or am I a wrecker, who walks the town
Content with the labor of tearing down? [1]

Perhaps Edgar A. Guest is too optimistic for your taste, but it may help to keep the spirits up. Theramin (talk) 00:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks Theramin. Spirits and optimism well, and thank you for the assist. I guess I don't know what this was for exactly, or maybe it's for things in general, but since you're here maybe give a look at the Secretariat Triple Crown races links above. I'm going to watch those again now. Nothing in sports like it, especially when you know what was occurring, the three taken in consecutively is a show. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Ships named for Founding Fathers of the United States has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have good taste![edit]

Veiled Christ is one of my favorite artworks too. It's absolutely amazing! - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks RevelationDirect, we agree about the statue, Veiled Christ, which was long thought to have been created by alchemy. On deleting the category of ships named for Founding Fathers of the United States, almost legendary people whose deeds and social constructs would have seemed like alchemy if described to those who lived slightly before them, not so much. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NB - you can self close merge proposals[edit]

I'm not sure if you really thought that "The simulation theory is the hypothesis that reality could be simulated—for example by quantum computer simulation—to a degree indistinguishable from "true" reality." and "The simulation hypothesis proposes that all of our existence is a simulated reality, such as a computer simulation." referred to different topics, or if you were doing a procedural revert, but there's no requirement that the opener not close the discussion, or that they wait any longer than a week. I actually waited twice as long as necessary. see WP:Merging if you need a refresher. - car chasm (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

These are different topics, as I said in my merge request comment. Most merges last much longer than a couple of weeks and are open until true consensus is reached. You butchered the origins section by the way in your "merge". Please take this to the article talk page and not here, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is about the fact that you seem to have cited guidelines for merging that are incorrect, so it belongs here. At any rate, the content on the origins section was moved further down the page to incorporate material from the merged content better, so it looks like it's all there twice now. Probably fine either way though, it's the sort of material that could be mentioned twice. - car chasm (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did not cite a guideline. Have never read them for merges. My experience with merges is that some are up for months, to attract a wide range of editors to find the merges and comment. I don't know if you alerted all of the main editors, original article creators, and the wikiprojects of the two pages (which cover different topics). If not, you maybe should do so, even if a bit late, so they can edit your merge. Why move "Origins"? But that's a discussion for the talkpage. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greetings. I'm not saying it's not a good gallery, what I am saying is that it is wholly unsourced. And please, as per WP:BURDEN, and please also see the 2nd point in WP:DISRUPTSIGNS. Onel5969 TT me 00:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You removed Cliffs at Étretat (Moscow) without discussion or caring about the museum source, and put a Monet article from mainspace to draft. I simply returned it. If you care so much about the page you wouldn't have deleted it without discussion or before taking it to the visual arts Wikiproject. The museum sources for the gallery which are evident at the image pages should be kept, and the other museum names removed, but there is no need to remove the obviously numerous paintings that Monet made of the same scene which now make a good gallery. As for taking it upon yourself to move articles from mainspace to draft, a quick look at your talk page shows this behavior is habitual and has received much criticism. Maybe that is something you should take under consideration and stop removing pages by this route. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Onel5969, I won't do it now, but will get around to checking the image upload pages for references (first one I looked at checked out fine, some of the others not so much) and, if they don't have a solid reference of location (the holding museum, private collection, etc.) I'll remove the museum from its entry. The images are still notable images and, as a part of a series and entries in Monet's official catalog, seem to have enough of a connection to remain on the page, even if Wikipedia can't officially point them to their present locations. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Onel5969, since you haven't replied back, wanted to make sure you realize that paintings and sculptures only need one museum or gallery source to clarify notability, and thus to keep the page from being prodded, removed, draftified without discussion, or the dozen other ways of removing a page from mainspace. It's still surprising that you would have removed a Monet page from mainspace without discussion at the visual arts page, and if you've done this with other visual art pages maybe consider going back and undoing them, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Randy, I was amazed to see we didn't have this. I have set it up, and populated it a bit. Over to you! Johnbod (talk) 14:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Amen? Thanks for the category and the alert. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Precious anniversary[edit]

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks Gerda Arendt, a nice reminder. You, in addition to the precious, are among Wikipedia's treasures. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May 2023[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - car chasm (talk) 04:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll leave this nonsense up for a bit in case anyone else wants to join in, but am signing off for the evening/morning/afternoon now. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think you should be so cavalier in dismissing this concern. I'm not sure exactly why you are convinced that Timothy Leary and company are WP:MAINSTREAM theorists/researchers into consciousness, but I assure you that they are not. jps (talk) 07:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The edit war that chasm and you engaged in concerns Leary's category being summarily removed from the broad Category:American consciousness researchers and theorists. Chasm's reasoning at the fringe wikiproject page was that Leary was a 1960s druggie, so obviously was not aware of Leary's work and writings at Harvard and elsewhere. Being thrown out of the mainstream for either going outside of it or paddling straight down the middle of it in a yacht has nothing to do with this category, it is a self-descriptor-named category which fits Leary, or at least arguably fits him enough to not edit war about it or take an editor to ANI to waste the time of everybody involved at that overworked drama board. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did someone mention donuts?[edit]

Glam Doll Donuts - Twin Cities Veg Fest 2015 (22689263235).jpg Donuts for you!
Every day is a good day for donuts, perhaps some more than others. Now to find some coffee... Beccaynr (talk) 01:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
lol. Thanks Beccaynr. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Forced busing"[edit]

Hi Randy. I was just running a JWB task and ran into an article that used the phrase "forced busing" in wikivoice. That prompted me to look up whether any other articles do, and found 74 using it, most in wikivoice by the looks of it. Now, I was always taught that "forced busing" is one of the ultimate racist dogwhistles in American politics; Lee Atwater certainly felt that way, at least. I recalled you have some expertise in the civil rights movement, and was wondering what you would advise. Just change all instances to the neutral "busing"? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Tamzin, and I hope all is well. On a quick look at the Wikipedia voice concern it seems the wording "forced busing" is an alternate name for Desegregation busing that, as you mention, was and is used by its critics. Maybe wording that would work would be links that stick to Wikipedia's title, "desegregation busing", if the goal is to use accurate Wikivoice within existing text. "Forced busing" may also be an inaccurate use if the students and their parents had a choice and the children weren't physically loaded into the buses against their will, but truancy laws may then have been triggered and acted upon. I have no personal experience with this, and have never studied the issue as it relates to the 1960s Civil Rights Movement. The only original research I can offer is that the only time busing was mentioned by my research subject, James Bevel, was when he told me that because of busing becoming a law and they wanted to bus his son across town he instead kept his son out of school for the year and made him sit in the backyard. There was no follow-up, and this was related outside of an formal interview, so you make me wonder, among dozens of questions I now wish I had asked Bevel, if he had his son read and study educational material in the backyard during that school year. I don't even know which son this was, as his family life after the movement (desegregation busing occurred in the 1970s, the Civil Rights Movement research I worked on was focused on the years 1959 to 1968) was also outside my personal research topic. I hope this is helpful. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Revenge editing issue[edit]

Hello. I understand you want an explanation. It begins with, I came to your talk page for a link to the current ANI. There was something I wanted to look up on that ANI thread - but I don't remember what. As I was scrolling down I saw a link to that deletion discussion. So, I went over to it. Because it was still open I decided to Ivote there and the thread above it. As I was reviewing the discussion I noticed bludgeoning so I mentioned that in my Ivote. There was nothing vengeful about it. It had nothing personal (on my end) to do with the discussion we were having on the other talk page. I realized that discussion wasn't going to go anywhere so I moved on. But I realized later you were quite upset about my edit at "Eight circuits" so that was the reason for my mea culpa. Also, I have participated in deletion discussions in the past. --Steve Quinn (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks Steve Quinn, I was hoping it was explainable. So my sincere apology holds. I'll strike my edit at the deletion page (did you see my alternate idea at that page? The ships seem s to fit the upline parent category). Thanks for coming by, a very adequate explanation. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]