User talk:ProofRobust
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Rights[edit]
Hi - per the request made at my talk page, and following the comment you made using your Eyebeller account, I've enabled the Extended Confirmed and Rollback user rights on this account. You already know what they do, and what the usage expectations are, so I won't give you the spiel about them being withdrawn if misused etc. Happy editing Girth Summit (blether) 09:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! ProofRobust 09:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
References and External Links for Gong Jun Wikipedia page[edit]
Hi, Thank you for your message through my talk page, I actually going through the references lists and noticed that some links were broken, or not working anymore. I have updated new references links but were reverted by you. So just checking if it is okay for me to undo your reverting. Hope to hear back from you soon :) Thanks User talk: 90.255.28.105
- 90.255.28.105 Thanks for your message and for the explanation. I see what you are doing now. Sorry for the incorrect reverting on my behalf. Please have a look at Wikipedia:Edit Summaries. This can help to avoid confusion for other editors. I will undo my reverting and the warning I left you on your talk page. ProofRobust 11:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Sure, will include explanation next time to avoid confusion.
User talk: 90.255.28.105
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Moktan147 (talk) 18:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC) Hello I am Ashish Moktan. Yes I have made edits as there are some obvious mistakes. Himalayan Sheepdog is just informal name mostly used in India to denote dogs from Himalayan range in India. Here in Nepal, we call them bhote kukur only. In India there are local names of these dogs such as bhutia, bhotia, gaddi etc. All these dogs registered name is Tibetan Mastiff. Please check the wikipedia of Tibetan Mastiff for more info on these dogs.
- Hello Moktan147. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. In the edit I reverted, you removed a lot of content without any explanation. Please have a look at Wikipedia:Edit Summaries which help you to explain your changes.
- For such a significant change, I would recommend commenting on the articles talk page. Thanks. ProofRobust 21:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
The other mistake I noticed is their life span. They are long life dogs with mostly living above 15 years in good environment.
These are the changes that I have proposed.
ProofRobusr, would you be kind enough to make changes or allow changes ?
Moktan147 (talk) 02:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I will not make the changes because I have not researcbed enough into the topic to make such a change and even if I deemed such a change to be appropriate I would still post a message on Talk:Himalayan Sheepdog do discuss the proposed change since it is significant. I recommend that you do this. ProofRobust 08:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Regarding reverting my edits[edit]
Hi @ProofRobust:, I am editing Nasir Aslam Wani. And I had given reason also to various edits. I think you should restore my edit so that I can Copy-edit the article completely. Because this article is about a politician but the infobox used in it was of a person simply. I removed the content which should not be on Wikipedia as per WP:NPOV. I am still editing. Please restore the edits asap. So that I could complete it and fix all errors. GaffarSofi96 (talk)
- GaffarSofi96 Why are you removing so many references? Thanks. ProofRobust 10:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- ProofRobust Please see again, the references were placed duplicate/repeated in references section. After reflist code. You know better where the citation have to be added. Please restore now. GaffarSofi96 (talk)
- GaffarSofi96 I see. I will restore your edits. Happy editing! ProofRobust 16:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- ProofRobust Thank You So Much. GaffarSofi96 (talk)
- ProofRobust Please see again, the references were placed duplicate/repeated in references section. After reflist code. You know better where the citation have to be added. Please restore now. GaffarSofi96 (talk)
FYI[edit]
Hi ProofRobust, regarding Special:Diff/1037068888, please see WP:BLANKING. Users are allowed to remove notices, including warnings and block notices from their talk page. However, declined unblock requests should not be removed. --Viridian Bovary (talk) 10:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up. I assume that the policy was changed recently then. ProofRobust 10:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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NPP[edit]
Hi ProofRobust. Please stop asking for this user right, it's not going to happen. Your recent messages to Rosguill (1, 2, 3) and subsequent edit warring to remove Rosguill's replies (1, 2) are disruptive and constitute harassment. Please be advised that continuing down his path will result in loss of editing privledges. Thanks, FASTILY 05:39, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- Fastily, Rosguill Yes, you're right. With this account it's not going to happen. With a WP:CLEANSTART account, I can get it in 2 months. I am not harassing anyone. I was simply asking for advice and following agreed policy - WP:NPA. Your prejudice against this account is very concerning. You do not read what I am saying. You are firmly set in your ways and do not consider any alternative arguments I have made. You simply ignore them which is even worse. As I have said before, If this is how "exemplary users" behave - users who are supposed to be an example for all other editors then something has gone seriously wrong at the top. I'll leave you to sort it out. ProofRobust 10:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- "Clean start" means disconnecting and using your new account to do things that are very different from the things that got your old account into trouble. Making a new account with the apparent intention of preventing administrators from evaluating your entire track record when reviewing your next PERM request, after an administrator has told you that continuing to pursue the user right in question might lead to sanctions is not a clean start. That's just evasion of scrutiny. --Blablubbs (talk) 14:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps you can assist. The administrators are simply not listening to what I am saying and refuse to give less merit to the actions of 2 years ago. This account will always be prejudiced against. I have laid out my thoughts here: Special:Diff/1128192299. ProofRobust 14:45, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- "Clean start" means disconnecting and using your new account to do things that are very different from the things that got your old account into trouble. Making a new account with the apparent intention of preventing administrators from evaluating your entire track record when reviewing your next PERM request, after an administrator has told you that continuing to pursue the user right in question might lead to sanctions is not a clean start. That's just evasion of scrutiny. --Blablubbs (talk) 14:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
December 2022[edit]
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. signed, Rosguill talk 19:12, 19 December 2022 (UTC)- I'm imposing a block to prevent you from creating new accounts in an attempt to evade scrutiny, as declared above. This is implemented as a partial block, so it does not affect your ability to edit on this account, but does prevent you from creating new accounts. signed, Rosguill talk 19:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
- And I've upped the block to indef. Enough community time has been wasted on ProofRobust's tantrums, and they clearly aren't interested in making constructive contributions to Wikipedia. -FASTILY 08:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I am ready to contribute in a constructive manner, mainly by carrying on with my anti-vandalism work and also potentially creating new articles. I do not have a sockpuppet and promise not to create one. I will not interact with Rosguill or Fastily anymore unless it is appropriate to do so/they interact with me first.
Decline reason:
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Yamla, What can I do to convince you? ProofRobust 10:45, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I've reviewed your request so won't be reviewing your next request. What I'd expect the next reviewing admin will want to see, though, is you directly addressing the concerns around WP:IDHT and WP:CIR and your harassment. Why did it take a block to get you to pay attention? How can we be sure you won't harass anyone going forward? Basically, you need to demonstrate and convince us you plan to take a totally different approach to Wikipedia going forward. --Yamla (talk) 10:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I am requesting an unblock to contribute constructively to the encyclopaedia. I have examined my actions and found that I did not act appropriately - especially with me continuing to press Fastily to give me NPP permisssions. I have already explained the reasons I did this (and I do still believe they are valid reasons), however those reasons do not justify my actions. The block has allowed me to take a step back, pause and reflect on my behaviour. I have read WP:IDHT and WP:CIR and realise that per those guidelines, me continuing to press for permissions (or anything else for that matter once agreed) constitutes disruptive editing. If unblocked, I will adhere to those guidelines and not press for my viewpoints. I hope you give me a chance. ProofRobust 10:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I'm not clear on what contributions you want to make instead of what you did before. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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"I did not act appropriately" you possibly mean "I did act appropriately". This is unclear. --Yamla (talk) 11:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Yamla, I have re-read my unblock request and see no reason to change anything. What exactly is unclear please? ProofRobust 11:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Except I'm not the target of your harassment. You should start by apologizing to Rosguill. -FASTILY 19:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rosguill, I apologise with the way I have dealt with you. I hope we can move on and communicate in a peaceful manner, if you so wish. ProofRobust 20:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm indifferent to apologies extracted under duress, nor did I really want an apology in the first place. As I've been pinged here, I will say I am concerned about the framing of "viewpoints" in the unblock request, and would want to see evidence that you actually understand the extent to which your behavior has been disruptive by identifying the advice you have repeatedly ignored, as well as the reasons for which your requests for advanced permissions have been declined. signed, Rosguill talk 22:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- By "viewpoints" I am not referring to anything specific, just any opinions when consensus has already been agreed. The reasons for NPP permissions being declined was because I didn't do so well at NPP School and the advice I have ignored was to move on to other areas of editing. ProofRobust 22:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- This does not demonstrate to me that you understand the reasons that NPP was declined, and identifies only a single, relatively minor aspect of the advice you have been given. I'm left with the sense that the problems from your original block as Eyebeller in 2021 persist. signed, Rosguill talk 23:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think the main reason was your concern as to how I would treat new editors and whether I would bite them or be harsh with them. Anyways, I really do want to be a helpful editor. I think it is quite obvious that I need some help/guidance - but I don't feel like I'm getting it and have no clue how I would ask for this. Trial period - shutdown. Asking for advice - shutdown. Perhaps I should stick with the stuff I know and am good at then e.g. anti vandalism as I can't convince anyone to let me have a go at anything else. If no one wants to have anything to do with me - fine. I'm not forcing anyone. Just unblock me and let me carry on as I was before, doing anti vandalism work. ProofRobust 23:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rosguill, Fastily, Any update? ProofRobust 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- ProofRobust, I've taken a chance on you by taking you on as a student twice already; I find your continued sense of entitlement astounding. I think it's pretty clear that this has been a poor use of my time thus far and I'm not interested in pursuing it further. signed, Rosguill talk 23:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- I am not asking to be taken on as a student, this is an unblock request which had no activity for 6 days. Therefore, I was asking for an update. Plus, no matter how many times I am a student of yours, I fail to see how that, or anything else, will convince you that I won't bite new editors. ProofRobust 23:47, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- ProofRobust, I've taken a chance on you by taking you on as a student twice already; I find your continued sense of entitlement astounding. I think it's pretty clear that this has been a poor use of my time thus far and I'm not interested in pursuing it further. signed, Rosguill talk 23:13, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rosguill, Fastily, Any update? ProofRobust 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think the main reason was your concern as to how I would treat new editors and whether I would bite them or be harsh with them. Anyways, I really do want to be a helpful editor. I think it is quite obvious that I need some help/guidance - but I don't feel like I'm getting it and have no clue how I would ask for this. Trial period - shutdown. Asking for advice - shutdown. Perhaps I should stick with the stuff I know and am good at then e.g. anti vandalism as I can't convince anyone to let me have a go at anything else. If no one wants to have anything to do with me - fine. I'm not forcing anyone. Just unblock me and let me carry on as I was before, doing anti vandalism work. ProofRobust 23:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- This does not demonstrate to me that you understand the reasons that NPP was declined, and identifies only a single, relatively minor aspect of the advice you have been given. I'm left with the sense that the problems from your original block as Eyebeller in 2021 persist. signed, Rosguill talk 23:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- By "viewpoints" I am not referring to anything specific, just any opinions when consensus has already been agreed. The reasons for NPP permissions being declined was because I didn't do so well at NPP School and the advice I have ignored was to move on to other areas of editing. ProofRobust 22:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm indifferent to apologies extracted under duress, nor did I really want an apology in the first place. As I've been pinged here, I will say I am concerned about the framing of "viewpoints" in the unblock request, and would want to see evidence that you actually understand the extent to which your behavior has been disruptive by identifying the advice you have repeatedly ignored, as well as the reasons for which your requests for advanced permissions have been declined. signed, Rosguill talk 22:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Rosguill, I apologise with the way I have dealt with you. I hope we can move on and communicate in a peaceful manner, if you so wish. ProofRobust 20:30, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- ProofRobust, I think you should have patience. Obviously, admins who review unblock requests have their own doubts about unblocking you after reading this discussion. But the fact that you are not unblocked should be balanced by the fact that your unblock request hasn't been quickly denied either. Admins who review these requests are probably weighing the costs vs. benefits on unblocking you and will come to their own decision on their own time. I wouldn't be in a hurry if I were you. Instead, I'd advise you to spend some time working on other Wikimedia projects which can demonstrate that you are a productive editor elsewhere. Liz Read! Talk! 03:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment. I was simply trying to get things moving as I do not want this request to turn into one of the ones that is left pending for months. I have no interest in participating on other Wikimedia project at the moment. Fastily, as the blocking admin, can you respond to this please? ProofRobust 22:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- 331dot, as I mentioned in my previous unblock request, I want to carry on with my anti-vandalism work and potentially create new articles. ProofRobust 23:20, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment. I was simply trying to get things moving as I do not want this request to turn into one of the ones that is left pending for months. I have no interest in participating on other Wikimedia project at the moment. Fastily, as the blocking admin, can you respond to this please? ProofRobust 22:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- 331dot I have not thought about specific topics that I might create new articles on. That is not going to be my main focus. My main focus will be to continue with my anti-vandalism work. ProofRobust 00:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- 331dot, Are you going to review this or do I need to open another unblock request? ProofRobust 09:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- 331dot I have not thought about specific topics that I might create new articles on. That is not going to be my main focus. My main focus will be to continue with my anti-vandalism work. ProofRobust 00:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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is closed. Came here from there. Not convinced either way. My sense is to decline the unblock request as not ready yet, but I'll leave it open for review by someone more open minded. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
February 2022[edit]
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
See previous 2 unblock requests
Decline reason:
After reading the above, and the circumstances that led to the block, I have chosen to decline this request. The block came after the editor demonstrated impatience with getting additional permissions. In the unblock request, they again demonstrate this impatience by pinging editors to get responses. Furthermore, when asked what articles the user would like to edit, they replied that they are interested in counter-vandalism, which might require more user rights to pursue this. Wikipedia is firstly an encyclopedia, codified as the first pillar. While it is noble that this editor wants to perform counter-vandalism patrol, this is too close to NPP that was repeatedly denied to this user and the user demonstrated the same behaviour that led to the block. My suggestion is that the editor takes a couple months away from Wikipedia and request an unblock when they find an article they would like to improve. Z1720 (talk) 19:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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ProofRobust 11:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Z1720, thank you for your comments. Not sure how much you know about me but I have been doing anti-vandalism work on Wikipedia, on and off, for over 2 years. The rollback rights that I have are sufficient for this. There have never been any major significant issues with my counter-vandalism work. On the contrary, I have been thanked for it instead. I have already taken a 2 month break as my block was made in late December. Please let me know your thoughts. ProofRobust 10:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I do not feel confident that unblocking you for counter-vandalism work is a good idea. Counter-vandalism involves interacting with editors, and part of this block concerned your interactions with other editors. Furthermore, many reasons you flunked NPP school are related to counter-vandalism work, so I would not be confident that you could assess harder-to-determine cases of vandalism. I would suggest seeking to be unblocked so that you can learn the basics of editing Wikipedia by actually editing and adding prose to articles. Once that is mastered, advanced permissions can be sought after. Z1720 (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Z1720, I have a good amount of experience with counter-vandalism and have graduated from the CVUA with very high marks. I have never had any major issues with my anti-vandalism work but rather have been thanked time and time again. I have been trusted with the rollback right for 2 years, it has never been withdrawn from me. I have experience dealing with new users, and abusive users, treating them appropriately on a case by case basis. The fact that my rollback right had never been withdrawn should prove to be a good testament. Please consider this. ProofRobust 17:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I have already declined this request and stated my opinion above, and I do not wish to reverse it. I recommend that you take a couple months away from Wikipedia before filing your next unblock request. When you are ready, you can post a new unblock request below and another administrator will access it. Z1720 (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your thoughts. I do not see what another break will achieve in addition to the already 2 month break I have already taken. I will be posting another unblock request shortly. ProofRobust 17:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Unblock Request[edit]
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Per my previous unblock requests, I have acknowledged that my behaviour has caused disruption. I wish to continue editing in a helpful manner by doing anti-vandalism work. This is an area that I have experience in and where all my editing has been trouble free. ProofRobust 18:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
- the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
- the block is no longer necessary because you
- understand what you have been blocked for,
- will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
- will make useful contributions instead.
Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 12:25, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Unblock 2[edit]
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I ask that you please consider my unblock request and give me another chance. I have now been blocked for 3 months. This has been an excellent opportunity to cool down, collect my thoughts, and return to contribute constructively. I recognise that my previous behaviour that I was blocked for constituted disruption. I should have recognised this earlier though which is why I was blocked. In areas where I do not have much experience, such as NPP, I should defer to other editors who have more experience and listen to their advice and feedback. I should not pester or repeatedly ping editors for permissions, but rather focus on what I should do to contribute more usefully. I have read WP:ICHY and WP:CIR multiple times and will ensure that any future contributions are not considered disruptive. As I have already mentioned, one of the ways I will do this is my taking advice from more experienced editors. I will also stay away from NPP. Rather, I will focus on anti-vandalism. I have been trusted with the rollback right and this has never been withdrawn for me. I have also graduated from the WP:CVUA with very high marks only a few months after originally joining Wikipedia. My anti-vandalism work is not controversial and I am competent in this area so I believe I will be able to contribute in a useful manner without being disruptive. Please unblock me so I can do this. ProofRobust 20:19, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Decline reason:
The blocking administrator is unwilling at this time to unblock. They are particularly concerned that you are overly aggressive, to the point of abuse, with the UTRS system and with repeated, frequent unblock requests. Please read Wikipedia:Standard Offer and follow the directions there before requesting an unblock. Jayron32 12:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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is declined and ProofRobust is strongly cautioned to stop abusing UTRS. This is the fourth such abuse of UTRS. --Yamla (talk) 15:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- I do apologise. I was not aware that this was considered “abuse” and will not use UTRS for this purpose anymore. ProofRobust 17:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
October 2023[edit]
ProofRobust (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Standard offer request. It has now been close to 12 months since my block. I have had a chance to reflect on my behaviour and I hope to return and contribute constructively to Wikipedia. I have read WP:IDHT and WP:CIR and promise not to be disruptive. If unblocked, I will be doing anti-vandalism work. My editing in this regard has been mostly issue-free and I hope I can continue contributing this way. ProofRobust 6:21 pm, 10 October 2023, Tuesday (2 months, 5 days ago) (UTC−4)
Accept reason:
Checkuser data shows no evidence of block evasion. --Yamla (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Fastily - any objections to giving this user another chance? Girth Summit (blether) 13:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think @Rosguill is also one of the blocking admins. Looks like the sequence of blocks was Rosguill full block -> Rosguill downgraded to partial block -> Fastily upgraded back to full block. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Fastily, Rosguill, and Yamla: Ok to unblock? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Still no evidence of recent block evasion (good). I think this user should be closely monitored if unblocked, but other than that, I have no objections. --Yamla (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm fine with it to, on the condition that any repeat of the same behavior that led to the original block will result in an immediate re-block -Fastily 22:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- No objection. signed, Rosguill talk 23:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Unblocked. Welcome back -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Still no evidence of recent block evasion (good). I think this user should be closely monitored if unblocked, but other than that, I have no objections. --Yamla (talk) 16:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Fastily, Rosguill, and Yamla: Ok to unblock? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- I think @Rosguill is also one of the blocking admins. Looks like the sequence of blocks was Rosguill full block -> Rosguill downgraded to partial block -> Fastily upgraded back to full block. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)