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(t · c) buidhe 05:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding wikisource[edit]

Hello, I've taken your advice regarding moving the translated text of the Piri Reis map over to Wikisource. My progress is here:

I've done scans of the whole English section of Akçura's translations plus notes. I believe that the next step is to mark all my text as "proofread"? But I'm a little unsure and therefore seeking some guidance. For example, Akçura leaves some explanatory notes on some pages and his editor leaves some citations to the research that Akçura talks about. These are noted in the print copy as [1], (2), or (3) and they restart on each page. Presumably, I'm meant to used some kind of more cohesive system like linked footnotes for the whole document, but also I think I'm not meant to do that at this step? Any guidance is appreciated. Rjjiii (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks good to me. Regarding the notes, I would recommend dealing with them as if they were normal <ref>-type notes and just ignore the print original's numbering. The point, after all, is to recreate the original text, not the specific limitations of the original paper print layout.
I edited a work from the late 18th century on Swedish Wikisource where the content was technically more notes than content (since it is a reproduction of lectures). Check it out here to see how it was realized. Peter Isotalo 22:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cog (ship)[edit]

Hi Peter Isotalo. You add references for "Ellmers 1994" to Cog (ship), but no such work is defined in the article. Could you add the required cite to the Sources section, or let me know what works this refers to? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested transmissions °co-ords° 15:25, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ActivelyDisinterested, it's a chapter in Gardiner & Unger (1994), just like Runyan. I don't think it's functional to list the chapters as separate works, though. No idea how to handle this through the sfn templates, I'm afraid. Peter Isotalo 15:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Short form refs like {{sfn}} or {{harv}} are hyperlinks to proper citations. So there must always be something for them to link with. The {{harvc}} template is useful in these situations.
* {{cite book |editor1-last=Gardiner |editor1-first=Robert |editor2-last=Unger |editor2-first=Richard W. |date=August 1994 |title=Cogs, Caravels and Galleons: The Sailing Ship, 1000-1650 |series=Conway's History of the Ship |location=London |publisher=[[Conway Maritime Press]] |isbn=978-0851775609}}
** {{harvc |first=Timothy |last=Runyan |year=1994 |c=Cog as Warship |in1=Gardiner |in2=Unger}}
** {{harvc |first=First name |last=Ellmer |year=1994 |c=Chapter name |in1=Gardiner |in2=Unger}}
Will display as:
  • Gardiner, Robert; Unger, Richard W., eds. (August 1994). Cogs, Caravels and Galleons: The Sailing Ship, 1000-1650. Conway's History of the Ship. London: Conway Maritime Press. ISBN 978-0851775609.
Or as you have done with Runyan you can list it separately with a full cite, but without something to link to it's not a valid reference. It generates an error message, which is tracked in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. These messages are off by default, the category also contains directions to turning them on. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested transmissions °co-ords° 16:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ActivelyDisinterested, thanks for the technical explanation. The linkage between notes and refs is a nice feature but those templates are too inflexible for my taste. I'm not a fan of having multiple sets of notes either. I'll specify sources with appropriate exactness but I'll leave it to others to figure out what templates they want to use. Peter Isotalo 16:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What you've done works fine. Inline, text, templates it's all a matter of taste, but you're right the templates are less flexible. You could have always just use Gardiner & Unger 1994 with the page number, the author of the chapter isn't always necessary. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested transmissions °co-ords° 16:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ActivelyDisinterested, I honestly don't think the templates are a matter of taste for me. I'd love to use them but they're just too complicated and inflexible. They should be more modular and allow for variation in detail as needed. And above all not force me into the weird Wikipedianism of separating comments from refs.
I would never want to leave out the name of the author of a text in an anthology. It's extremely relevant info in my view. Peter Isotalo 16:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thank you today for Medieval cuisine, introduced (in 2007): "Grab a trencher, pass the frumenty and dunk a sop or two in the nearest cup o' wine, because here's a culinary delight sweeter than a galley worth of hypocras! It all began with my accidental discovery of the none-too-humble subtlety when reading Timeline. From then on my fascination with medieval cookery just kept growing, and the result was a full-fledged gastronomical orgy of academic indulgence. I've plowed well over a thousand pages of literature by now, and considering how delightfully scrumptious the topic is, there's bound to be more in the form of various sub-articles."! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Du är en pärla, Gerda. ^_^ Peter Isotalo 15:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Franska köket[edit]

Hej! Om jag förstod det rätt du och en person till översatte artikeln Franska köket från engelska. Ett utmärkt jobb! Jättebra artikeln! Jag själv har lagt till en lista med populära franska rätter i artikeln och ska så småningom lägga till en lista med franska efterrätter och bakelser.

Anledningen till att skriver till dig är att jag har en fråga. I artikeln finns det en lång lista med ingredienser som används i det franska köket. De flesta av ingredienserna är mycket vanliga överallt som tex potatis, lök, äpple, päron osv.

Jag förstår inte riktigt vitsen med den långa listan. Borde inte listan kortas till ovanliga ingredinser tex? Vad tycker du?

Ha det bra! Bzwabi (talk) 20:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bzwabi, jag plockade bort "Ingredienser" helt. Den funkar liksom inte som rubrik om den inte är generell och sammanfattande. Att försöka göra punktlistor av det hela är ju hopplöst eftersom de i grunden är godtyckliga. Peter Isotalo 20:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jag håller med.
Tack för hjälpen! Bzwabi (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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