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History merge[edit]

NPP Coordinator[edit]

Adding my to do list to the top bar[edit]

Hi Novem, was wondering if you could help with a technical matter. In the previous WP skin, I had my to do list (User:Aza24/Tasks) in the top bar, but now it appears in the drop down menu alongside, preferences, beta etc. How can I go about restoring it to not be in the collapsed area? At the bottom of User:Aza24/common.js, I've already done this with sandbox, contribs and such. Aza24 (talk) 09:55, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Howdy @Aza24. What skin are you using? I'll load up your common.js using whatever skin you specify and see if I can fulfill your request. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Using Vector 2022. Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 10:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Novem, just wondering if you had a chance to look at this yet? No rush at all. Aza24 (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey @Aza24. Sorry for the delay. Try this and let me know what you think. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Works excellently. Thank you! – Aza24 (talk) 23:46, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello. I am not able to create new cronjobs. I mean, the cronjobs are getting created but at the scheduled time, nothing is happening. Like, no error, no failed pod, nothing. At k8s-status, the "last schedule" remains blank. I generally use standard kubernetes yaml, but I also use toolforge's yaml pattern as well. I tried testing it through toolforge's yaml as well, but nothing happens, like the scheduled time has never arrived. Would you kindly try running a new dummy cronjob to see if it goes through? —usernamekiran (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did a bit of tinkering, and I could get the pod started, but they failed immediately. In the logs the errors were unbelievable: 1: import: not found (import os). second error: 2: import: not found (import pywikibot) third error: 5: Syntax error: "(" unexpected the line is: site = pywikibot.Site('en', 'wikipedia'). I am successfully running the exact same script from my local computer. So now this issue is related to pywikibot specifically. pinging Qwerfjkl, as they are also using pywikibot from toolforge. —usernamekiran (talk) 10:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Usernamekiran, for what it's worth, I don't use yaml, I just run the jobs from PuTTy. Have you installed the os & pywikibot modules in the venv? I presume the htird error is because pywikibot issn't imported, otherwise I'd need to see the code. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Usernamekiran. Are you on WP:DISCORD at all? The Technical / General Technical Discussion channels are great for these kinds of questions. Or if you don't use Discord, you could try pinging Taavi or AntiCompositeNumber, who are good at Kubernetes and have helped me in the past. mw:Manual talk:Pywikibot also looks active. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Qwerfjkl: oh, I thought you utilise crons. I have been using same setup since a long time now, I successfully did set up other dummy cronjobs/scripts, and they executed properly. These scripts were pywikibot, so I am assuming the problem is with that particular file rather than code. I tried changing encoding, but it did not work either. I also updated the pywikibot set-up, but no improvement. I created new file(s) with different methods, still the same error. So I simply gave up on that particular file/script, and ran it from my local machine. @Novem, I am on Discord, but I haven't logged in since a lot of days. If I encounter similar issue again, I will contact AntiComposite, in the past I have discussed an issue related to CSV files with them. Thanks for your suggestions guys. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Usernamekiran, I do use cron jobs, but not yaml. Have you followed wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Pywikibot? — Qwerfjkltalk 16:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
discussion continued at User talk:Qwerfjkl#crons. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NovemBot RfA count[edit]

Hi, I have a suggestion for modifying NovemBot: that when an RfA gets placed "on hold" automatically after one week period, pending closure by a bureaucrat, that the bot go ahead and set the count back to zero. This will remove the "A request for adminship is open for discussion" notice from the watchlist notice, CENT, etc., which would be helpful because we shouldn't be encouraging new votes to an RfA that would just get reverted for being late anyway. I edited it back to zero myself but forgot that the bot was going to revert me. DanCherek (talk) 23:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there. Thanks for the suggestion. Right now the bot's algorithm is super simple. It just counts the number of times that {{Wikipedia:Requests for adminship appears in the wikitext of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. There's no easy way to tweak that to pay attention to this template that automatically places RFAs on hold. It will require a more complex solution. I'll give it some thought. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. I see the RFA is still not closed, so I have temporarily turned off the bot. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, thanks for the explanations! (It's now been closed by SilkTork.) I guess the 'crats usually get to it relatively quickly, within an hour or two anyway, so not the biggest of deals if there's not an easy fix. DanCherek (talk) 01:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I don't envy your job to find a way to close that discussion, but I would urge you to reconsider a straight NC. There was clearly no consensus, but resolving with the current target remaining doesn't sit well with me. To frame it one way, I think there was a consensus against the current target, which only one out of the 18 participants had as first choice. I think the close should have defaulted to a different option. Also, I disagree with the characterisation that the retargets were all equal and opposed with the deletes. In reality, I think the retargets were split between an article retarget and disambiguation of some sort, the latter of which is probably more akin to deletion than article retarget. In my opinion it is wrong to classify them as all of the same type. The more major issue is that the close weights too much the whim of one editor to create the redirect as it was, and that there are several closes which would have more accurately reflected the discussion, particularly deleting or some disambiguation. J947edits 09:40, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey J947. Thanks for the message. Do you happen to like Lord (disambiguation), the retarget that was slightly more preferred than the others? If so then maybe you can try boldly changing that to be the new target, and see if it gets reverted. Would that solve the issue? "No consensus" means that the closer could not find the consensus in that discussion, but it doesn't necessarily stop folks from picking a better target through normal editing processes such as WP:BRD. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As it stands, I view that target equally unhelpful as the current one unfortunately, and including a list of applicable deities at it would be overall detrimental IMO, as most users pointed there would not be pointed from Our Lord and be surprised at that list. As to "No consensus" means that the closer could not [etc.], it seems rather defeatist – the appropriate venue is RfD; if you think a consensus might develop, then leave it up. At RfD, no consensus but default to something else is a common close – see WP:NCRET. J947edits 10:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey Rosguill. If you have a minute, was wondering if I can get a second opinion on my RFD close at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_22#Our_Lord. Any thoughts? –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When I come across a discussion like that, I typically close it as "retarget to FRONTRUNNER. Nominally no consensus between X and Y, defaulting to retarget to FRONTRUNNER in the absence of support for the status quo". N.b., in this case I'm involved, and supported the frontrunner retarget option with my !vote so take the advice with a grain of salt. Sometimes if there isn't a clear frontrunner, or a less popular option has some middle-ground quality that makes it a preferable compromise, closing in favor of such an option is acceptable, but I don't think that's the case here. signed, Rosguill talk 14:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you both for the feedback. I've decided to re-open the discussion so that someone else can close it. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Novem Linguae, just an update regarding the banned User:S201050066. A few hours ago, S201050066 emailed me and demanded a NZ$10,000 ransom in return for stopping his sockpuppet attacks on Wikipedia. I called him out on his bluff and told him that such behaviour would only land him in further trouble. I am aware that he is autistic and has an older brother. I will inform his older brother about his misbehaviour. I have also read the update on his talk page about more sockpuppet accounts being identified. I think S201050066’s sockpuppet activities only confirm that he should not be allowed near Wikipedia. Is there a way to trace and block his IP address? Andykatib 00:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Andykatib. I don't recommend contacting his brother, because contacting off-wiki people about on-wiki things seems like harassment to me (to be clear, you'd be harassing him). He is the type of LTA that is probably best ignored. WP:DENY. Honestly he probably won't land in further trouble because he has already reached the maximum amount of trouble you can get into on Wikipedia (his accounts are globally locked on sight). We do not permanently block IP addresses of blocked users, but we have some other tricks up our sleeve. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Novem Linguae, thanks for your advice. I have been in contact with the banner user's brother Ian for about a year. We are on friendly terms and he is aware of his younger brother's online misbehaviour. As long S201050066 is unwilling to listen and correct his ways, banning him will be the best course of action. I also agree that it will be best to deny S201050066 the attention he seeks and globally lock his sockpuppet accounts on sight. Will treat him like the pest that he is. Andykatib 22:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there, you may want to revoke their talkpage access. Thanks. 2601:1C0:4401:F60:2186:DB9E:4A18:2CFE (talk) 23:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nevermind, User:Zzuuzz took care of it... :-) 2601:1C0:4401:F60:2186:DB9E:4A18:2CFE (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We edit conflicted :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Novem Linguae. Thank you for your work on State government response to the opioid epidemic in the United States. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, I had the following comments:

I'm thrilled to share the exciting news that your article has met all of Wikipedia's guidelines! After a careful review, I'm happy to say that it's good to go. Great job! Wishing you and your family an absolutely fantastic day ahead!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 00:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your block of[edit]

I'm a bit surprised that they're still able to put pro-Putin propaganda on their talk page.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Skywatcher68. Not anymore. JBW revoked their talk page access. Hopefully that problem is solved. Thanks for keeping an eye on things. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quick note[edit]

Don't know if you're using WP:XFDC or not, but you (or it) missed removing the banner from WIR-184 following this close. Not the end of the world, but thought it might be worth mentioning as something to keep an eye on in the future. Primefac (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I did use XFD Closer, but I imagine multi nominations can confuse it. I'll be more careful with multi-nominations in the future. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It doesn't usually, could be because 184 is a redirect to 00-2021 and it wasn't following it for some reason. Chalk it up to one of life's many mysteries, I suppose. Primefac (talk) 10:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The blocked user Novam Linguae claims to be you as a doppleganger account. Just thought you'd like to chime in to either the affirmative or the contrary. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sdrqaz identified them as the LTA user Kingshowman in a bogus AfD they created ("Wikipedia talk:Articles or deletion/Billy cranston"). Pretty poor impersonation if you ask me. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not me. It's that LTA that really doesn't like Billy Cranston. Thanks for bringing to my attention. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft:Teodoro Vidal[edit]

The Draft:Teodoro Vidal that you evaluated can be eliminated. I worked on editing the draft not realizing there was already an article on Teodoro Vidal. I added all my edits to the current article.----Lawrlafo (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sounds good. I redirected the draft. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've got mail[edit]

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I was looking at Centre for Education in Mathematics and Computing, an article which exclusively uses primary sources (and probably needs to be completely rewritten). I tried to perform a search through several pages of Google for this org. I found one probably SIGCOV source. I found several others though I do not think any can be counted toward GNG due to likely being self-published (first) or the coverage not being significant (the rest). I also think I can safely exclude this one as it's just a listing of competitions (which would fall under "products" if it is significant). Given the organization's history and assuming the sources don't qualify, would a {{Notability}} tag be good on this page? I'm not confident starting an AfD for it because I am unsure if there are pre-Internet sources for it. ~UN6892 tc 18:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Username6892. Hey there. I haven't reviewed your links in depth, but your analysis sounds fine. Sure, throw a notability tag on it to draw attention to the situation. I haven't personally had good luck AFDing older articles, as other sources often turn up during the AFD, but I know others have had different experiences. If you get curious, you can always AFD and see what happens. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Honestly, I'd prefer sources turn up during the AfD because in that case, the article can improve through the introduction of new material. I think I'll consult a WikiProject or just nominate once I catch up with my to-do list given my BEFORE search didn't turn up enough material. ~UN6892 tc 04:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey Novem Linguae, The hyperlinks on WP:RSSE under Indian newspapers searches are all seem to be dead. I am not sure if I should remove the whole sub-section or just the hyperlinks. Just letting you know as you have previously edited the page and are also an administrator so you can take a call on this. Cheers! Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jeraxmoira. Maybe try to find if they moved to new locations using a Google search? And if not, then remove whole section? It's a judgment call but I think that'd be a reasonable course of action. And if it's too bold someone else can always revert it. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 2023 Good Article Nominations backlog drive[edit]

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Revdel request[edit]

Hello Novem! Could you please delete some copyright revisions from the World's Best (film) article? Thanks! 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜 10:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks like it's already tagged with {{Copyvio-revdel}}, which is great. The template places the page in a category, and admins patrol the category. An administrator will be along shortly to handle it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


First time ever trying to nominate something for deletion so I was bound to mess it up. Thanks for the assist! DontKnowWhyIBother (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're welcome. Although I don't recommend nominating things for deletion this early in your wiki-career. A hasty re-nomination of a controversial page may create drama for little net gain, ya know? –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I'm aware. I've been editing on and off for about 12 years now and know how awful the battles between pro-fringe and anti-fringe editors can be, especially around the Covid area where the crazies really come out. Honestly I would have been content to stay an IP if an account wasn't required to nominate something for deletion. DontKnowWhyIBother (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Being logged in has its advantages, such as WP:PINGs, WP:WATCHLIST, and userscripts/gadgets such as WP:TWINKLE (great productivity tool). For example, Twinkle could have filed that MFD for you in a couple clicks. Twinkle requires being WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, but you should reach that in a couple days. You sound like a good faith editor, so I hope you stick around. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So word has it...[edit]

...that you'll be at Wikimania, too. Would be a pleasure to chat with you at some point, perhaps catch a refreshing beverage. Bring an umbrella; if you don't need it for the rain, you'll need it for the sun. See you there. Risker (talk) 02:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Risker. Definitely. Would love to chat. Will DM you some contact info. Otherwise we'll have to do it the old fashioned way by bumping into each other. Imagine that! :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding templates[edit]

I am messaging you because the thread in Template talk:Wikisource became too long to notify you. In the testcase, I have written code for merging Template:Wikisourcehas, Template:Wikisourcelang and Template:Wikisource-multi. It works fine and you can try it too. I think these four templates should be merged by the code in testcase. If you want to know about the parameters, please let me know. Sarangem (talk) 13:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Sarangem. Thanks for doing the coding work. I appreciate it. I was just the closer on this one, I have no opinion of the technical side, just the consensus part. I note my close suggests consulting Billinghurst, so you may want to contact them, and anyone else you feel appropriate. The TFD is located at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 July 5#XFDC9. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sensitive (and time-sensitive) DYK hook[edit]

Hello Novem Linguae, I'm posting here because you're listed as a recently active administrator. There's an active discussion at WP:ERRORS about the ethics of running a hook mentioning an online suicide forum – the Main Page has just changed over to display the hook, but the discussion hasn't reached a consensus yet despite quite a few editors expressing concern. Would you be willing to intervene and pull the hook until discussion can conclude? – Teratix 00:33, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Teratix. Unfortunately I have very little experience with main page areas such as DYK and ITN, so I would not feel comfortable touching that content at this time. You may want to contact some admins that specialize in DYK. This link may give you some ideas of folks to contact: Hope this helps. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All good! – Teratix 00:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GANR tool question[edit]

Hi! I'm the inverse of an expert when it comes to scripts. I've tried several approaches to troubleshooting the failure for the tool to load on Talk:Harold Kushner/GA1, including checking for the necessary templates, disabling and reenabling the tool, clearing cookies, and even swapping my editing from the 2010 skin to 2022 Vector (yes, I know that doesn't mean anything, but it made me feel better knowing that didn't work either). Do you mind taking a look at that review page and seeing what I'm doing wrong for the tool to not load? It worked just fine for me on another review I wrapped up a few days ago, so I must admit I'm befuddled.

Thank you for making this and other wonderful scripts; even if I can't use them to their full potential, it's wonderful to see what is done with them by the editors that know what they're doing! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pbritti. My pleasure. I am unable to reproduce the error: "click here to open GANReviewTool" appears at the top of the GA1 page for me after 6 seconds. I see the tool in your common.js so it looks installed correctly. Do you see any WP:CONSOLEERRORs? –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't. However, I am also unable to reproduce the error on my phone both when using the mobile (what I'm using to respond to you right now) and desktop sites. It's clearly a problem related to my device, so I'll just chalk it up to my old laptop being goofy. Thank you for taking the time to look. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ivote, tools and NPP[edit]

I wanted to thank you for creating tools. I have used a GA promotion tool and an editor highlighter recently and they are great. I am sorry that I was an oppose at your RFA. I opposed because it is a lifetime appointment I am always concerned about the protection of content and content creators. I have always believed that an administrator would be more likely to protect both if they were a prolific content creator. In any event the administrator corps needs variety and you are probably a good addition. I hope you might also check my patrol log to see that I am doing well with that tool. Happy editing and thanks for your contributions to this great project. Lightburst (talk) 16:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Lightburst. Thanks for the warm message. I appreciate you changing your mind about me and giving me a chance. I think we'll get along just fine. At the end of the day, we're all here for the same reason, and we all care deeply about Wikipedia. Thanks again and see you around. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notification of administrators without tools[edit]

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What do you think of the conversation at the NPP page? It is forking into one largely about my own editing style. I have had that previous egregious interaction with Scope Creep, and I witnessed them also targeting innumerous articles by Another Believer in an aggressive manner. Can you act on this? From my experiences, reaching out on AN/I always leads to the same sort of drama between editors we're witnessing on the NPP talk page, with no results. ɱ (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can read my complaints about the prior actions here, here, and finally where it was condemned and resolved here. ɱ (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My recent plea to just be kind and ask nicely went unanswered, and now was removed. ɱ (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey ɱ. Thanks for your message. I just spent an hour reading the NPP talk page, the ANI, and your diffs. Looks like everything has unfortunately gotten quite heated.
I don't really see any smoking gun diffs of Scope creep engaging in misconduct, so I have no further comment on that at this time, although you are welcome to create a section/subsection at ANI if you feel there is evidence that needs to be presented.
I observe that one point of tension between you and editors seems to boil down to the use of bare URLs as citations. To check an article for notability properly (as NPPs do) involves opening and reading every reference in the article until around 3 are found that pass GNG/NCORP. If most or all of the references are just links to a paywalled source, then these checks cannot be performed. That's fine, paywalled sources are allowed, but a proper reference should have enough metadata to at least know what the source is (newspaper name, issue date, title). If that information is missing, then the citation doesn't really provide any information. Because you're using older sources, a WP:BEFORE might not turn up these older sources, which could lead to unnecessary AFDs.
The ideal fix here would be to provide more metadata for your citations. You could do this, for example, by proper use of {{Cite news}}.
I would also add that placing a maintenance tag such as {{Cleanup bare URLs}} is, in my opinion, a minor and impersonal thing. Editor sees X issue with the article, editor places X maintenance tag to encourage folks to fix X.
Finally, please be careful using the word "gaslighting". It's essentially a camouflaged way of accusing people of lying. Reading all these threads, it seems that maybe one or two people were rude to you, but most folks are interacting with you with good intentions.
This is getting long and I'm probably repeating stuff that others have already told you, so I'll stop here. I hope this helps and that you choose to stick around. Your contributions are great and appreciated even if it doesn't feel like it right now. With a couple small tweaks to your referencing habits, all the underlying problems and tension points should hopefully go away. Thank you for reading and happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for tag creation[edit]

Hi, Novem! I was reading Wikipedia:Tags and it doesn't give a process for requesting tag creations so I thought I'd just ask someone who can (seeing this is usually how it's done, anyway). Would it be alright if you create a tag for Deputy with Special:Tags (preferrably with the tag name "Deputy")? This also means creating the MediaWiki:Tag-Deputy page with the content [[Wikipedia:Deputy|Deputy]]. It'd help a lot in pinpointing edits made by Deputy on Quarry (since searching by edit summary is starting to push the execution time to over an hour). Thank you! Chlod (say hi!) 02:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Chlod. Sounds reasonable to me.  Done. I also created MediaWiki:Tag-Deputy-description. Hope it helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much! Chlod (say hi!) 03:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page curation toolbar not showing up[edit]

Are you able to see the page curation tool for the recent AFC accepted article Sarvatra Technologies? Although I repeatedly reloaded the article, the toolbar is just not shown on this particular article. It is happening only on this article and I'm just curious as to why it was happening. Thilsebatti (talk) 03:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey @Thilsebatti. Thanks for the question. Looks like the AFC reviewer Josve05a is autopatrolled, plus this is not a brand new article. Because of those two things, the Page Curation toolbar isn't showing up for this one. If you ever need to unreview something like this for some reason (although careful unreviewing old stuff), you can click "Add to the New Pages Feed" in the tools menu on the bottom left. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions[edit]

Hello Novem Linguae,

I’m reaching out as part of a Cornell University academic study investigating the potential for user-facing tools to help improve discussion quality within Wikipedia discussion spaces (such as talk pages, noticeboards, etc.).

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List of suicide locations[edit]

Hello Novem Linguae,

I noticed that an edit made in June on this page: List of suicide sites was revoked as it was a link to an external site. The link in question was a link to a page for global support lines for people feeling suicidal.

Whilst I can see the page does link to the Wiki page for crisis support, at a point of crisis, it's important to make help as accessible as possible. Wikipedia guidelines do say that external links are permissible in certain circumstances. Could an exception be made in this instance?

Seema (talk) 09:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Howdy. You may want to move this suggestion to Talk:List of suicide locations. I don't remember much about that article, and when discussing a specific article, it is often best to post on that article's talk page. Editors who have it watchlisted will chime in with their thoughts. I think it unlikely that something that makes an article not look like an article (violates WP:MOS) will be permitted to be added to an article, but you are welcome to suggest it and see what happens. Hope this helps. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks like I'm the one that removed the link in this diff. I had forgotten, but yeah, I would not support including that since it violates MOS. The way forward would be to post on the article talk page and see if anyone else disagrees with me. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You do know the bot is going to re-alphabetise this next time it runs the page, yes? Primefac (talk) 12:50, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Primefac. The data on that page was not alphabetized so I don't think the bot has an alphabetization algorithm. Is the bot pulling the data from somewhere else and I should alphabetize it there instead? –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It most definitely does alphabetise. It doesn't use an ASCII chart, which is why 3family6 comes before 3PPYB6 (because f comes before p). Primefac (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm. NovemBot stayed at the top of the bots section for a year, so maybe the bots section doesn't get alphabetized. Thank you for the information. I will watchlist that page and try to familiarize myself with it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Huh, didn't know that. You're probably right. Primefac (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suppose I should file a bug report. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Can you revoke this IP's talk page access since i know that IP is an LTA. Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello there Notrealname1234. The IP is only blocked for 31 hours. Not sure revoking talk page access for 31 hours is a great solution. Only so much we can do with IPs because it has a chance of affecting innocent editors. If I'm missing something, feel free to post a diff. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:17, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Novem Linguae The LTA page does mention this "Revoke TPA for socks as they are known to abuse their talk page access to troll others.", maybe this is the same case here? Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You haven't mentioned which LTA or which diff/behavior is so severe as to warrant revoking talk page access. I'm also thinking it's probably not a good idea to revoke TPA from an IP, nor from someone with such a short block. Sorry I can't help here. Feel free to get a second opinion at WP:ANI. I am not an expert on revoking TPA from IPs. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Novem Linguae The LTA is AudiGuy-1204. Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Regarding this, I of course agree that the NPP tutorial needs guidance on draftification. The reason I removed the section was not to remove that guidance, but to try and integrate it with the preceding section on deletion. Or more specifically, to present draftification alongside other WP:ATDs, because that is ultimately what it is and where it has the strongest policy basis.

I like your rewritten section on draftification, but I still feel like there is something to be said for presenting all the ATDs together. I've observed that newer NPPers tend to lean heavily on draftification while overlooking other, less controversial ATDs. I wondered if that was because it was given so much greater prominence in the tutorial (and that damn flowchart). What do you think about an "Alternatives to deletion" section, instead of a "Draftification" section specifically?

In any case thanks for your help trimming the fat from that page. It's been something I've been wanted to do for ages. – Joe (talk) 09:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Joe Roe. Thanks. I'm happy to help. In regards to your suggestion, I think that draftification deserves a decent amount of weight, minimum 1-2 paragraphs. Not because I think it should be used more often than AFD (I don't), but because it's a fairly complex process and also the community is sensitive to it and I think it should be explained in sufficient detail to hopefully keep NPPs out of trouble.
We could try putting it in an ATD section and also include BLAR there and see how it looks if you want. Although we might want a subheading for draftification. WP:NPPDRAFT needs to point somewhere. And I don't think we should obfuscate draftification too much. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did some bold editing just now and ended up getting draftification down to a paragraph. I need to get some sleep and then go to work, will take another look at this when I get some time. Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resignation of NPP tools[edit]

Hello - Around 3 weeks ago, I qualified and received NPP rights. However, once I started to get into reviewing, I discovered I simply do not find it fun. Maybe I may re-apply at a later date, but since NPP is a high-risk permission in event of an account breach, I would like to let go of my NPP permissions. Thanks, Ca talk to me! 22:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ca. Done. Have a great weekend. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I appreciate that you were willing to give it a try @Ca, thank you for that. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey Novem, there are problem of installation of Stubsort and Hotdefaultsort in my subpages, can you check and fix those problems ? Citadeol(talk) 09:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's happening? What should happen instead? Any error messages? –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have installed but not showing any option of Stubsort and Defaultsort. Citadeol(talk) 09:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks like there's 3 problems in User:Citadeol/common.js:
  1. Delete the space between importScript and the parenthesis.
  2. Capitalize "sort" in "HotDefaultsort"
  3. You mention Stubsort but it's not installed at all. Add importScript('User:SD0001/StubSorter.js'); // Backlink: [[User:SD0001/StubSorter.js]] or similar.
Happy editing. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have fixed but Defaultsort is not showing pls check and also install the Stubsort. Citadeol(talk) 11:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks like you did #1 and #2. That should be enough to get Defaultsort to work. Are you looking at the very bottom of the article where the categories display? Example article: Tom Cruise. Should say "Default sort: Cruise, Tom(−)(±)" at the very bottom. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done I have fixed the issues and thanks for the guide. Happy editing. Citadeol(talk) 17:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Testing massmessage[edit]

Hello Novem Linguae,

New Page Review article queue, March to August 2023

Backlog update: At the time of writing, there are 10,800 articles and 14,900 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

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PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not uninstalled in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thought maybe you could figure out what I did/am doing wrong[edit]

I posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) about an issue I am having with the OneClickArchiver userscript, please see the Talk page archive button/userscript section for a more complete explanation. Hoping maybe someone around here - like maybe you? - can explain what is going wrong to me and put me out or my confused misery. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 01:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, will take a look. I replied at VPT. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving to mainspace[edit]

Can you move Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha to mainspace. It is eligible to exist as mainspace article in its current version as it fulfills WP:NPOL. Many stub articles exist on Wikipedia. This is in good condition compared to them. Admantine123 (talk) 09:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Admantine123. Howdy. I'll let you make the move if that's OK. Any editor can move a draft from draftspace to mainspace, per WP:DRAFTOBJECT. You don't even need to be an AFC reviewer. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What to do with tags on Siddharth Sukhlal Kushwaha. Also some bizzare categories.- Admantine123 (talk) 13:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can just delete those. I went ahead and did so here. Hope that makes sense. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I fixed the categories here. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks a lot. I texted almost everyone i know on Wikipedia for this article. Finally everything is fine. Admantine123 (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries. I'm happy to help! –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Please protect, Kushwaha, Kachhwaha and Kushwaha (surname) until the discussion is finished about the user on WP:AN/I Admantine123 (talk) 09:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Admantine123. Howdy! Feel free to post a request at WP:RFPP. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, issue sorted out Admantine123 (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NPP and redirect expansion[edit]

Hi Novem, you mentioned at VPR that NPP catches redirect expansions, and I was wondering if you could provide a bit more detail. My most recent interaction with NPP saw me apparently flagged as an article creator as I had created the redirect, rather than the editor who converted the redirect to an article, but I'm unsure what NPP picked up as the redirect and expansion happened in very quick succession. Is it catching one or both, or does it run at a certain time and catch changes since that time? I have also seen redirects used for abused for block evasion similar to the report which prompted the VPR discussion, eg. here, but I was unaware NPP picked this up until now. Best, CMD (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey friend. Thanks for the questions. So the mw:Extension:PageTriage software catches redirect expansions by marking the page as unreviewed automatically when a redirect is expanded, triggering a fresh review. This is a great defense against UPEs that would otherwise hijack redirects in order to bypass the NPP queue.
As for your specific example, you are correct. The software flagged you as the page creator since you are indeed the page creator. The software just sees the first revision's author as a page's author. This is unrelated to my previous paragraph and is just the normal MediaWiki way of identifying a page creator. Hope this helps.
P.S. Was nice meeting you in Singapore. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, thanks! I was surprised at the time to get the NPP message saying I'd written a nice article given I had done no such thing, so the distinction between PageTriage and Mediawiki and which does what is perhaps what I was missing. I will try to digest it further, although I'm still unfamiliar with the mediawiki backend. Nonetheless, it's quite reassuring to know what I thought for a couple of years was a gap in our systems isn't actually a gap. Great to meet you too. CMD (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft Stefan Raunser[edit]

Hi Novem Linguae,

I worked on the Draft:Stefan Raunser that was created by another editor. I improved it, taking in consideration the previous comments made by another wikipedia editor: DoubleGrazing, who declined the submission. Unfortunately, this reviewer does not re-review submissions that have been declined by them. I would therefore be great if you could re-review the draft and/or help me to improve the entry. Thanks in advance LA285306 LA285306 (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LA285306. I accepted it just now. Thanks for writing it and for addressing DoubleGrazing's concerns. –Novem Linguae (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great. Thank you for this prompt support! LA285306 (talk) 08:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]