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The Prismatic World Tour

So why is Mexico listed as North America then? Latin America is a region, and tours don't go to regions. They visit continents.  — Calvin999 19:35, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

@Calvin999: Here is the reason Latin America is used rather than South America. Leg 6 has both North and South America countries in this leg. Latin America was easier to say because earlier when this edit was made way back earlier, it looked messy when it had an additional row to say 'North America - Leg 6,' so we used Latin America to combine this part of the table. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 20:03, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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		For all the work you do on tour-related articles. Keep it up! Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS: Thank you so much! I remember when I would always ask you for help, now I'm able to contribute with an article on my own! Musicpoplover12 (talk) 02:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

My pleasure. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Fearless Tour etc.

Please explain your reversions. You stated "we use names that were used at the time". I didn't change that at all. Every visible link to a venue remained the same after my changes, and the ultimate destination for each link remained the same - I simply removed superfluous piping so that the visible name would redirect to the current name. If you meant "we pipe to names that were used at the time someone added that informaton to the article", why do you do that? What's the point? Here's an explanation of my changes:

The names of venues tend to change because of sponsorship deals with naming rights. A redirect provides a simple way to ensure that all links to an old name will go to the article under the current name. Piping an old name to the current name or a former name is pointless because if the name changes again, as it surely will when the current sponsorship deal comes to an end, the piped name will itself become a redirect and the already trivial benefit of a direct link will be lost. This has already happened in many cases - for example [[Baltimore Arena|1st Mariner Arena]] simply pipes the name to another name which has since been superseded, and is now itself a redirect.

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• It is generally not good practice to pipe links simply to avoid redirects. The number of links to a redirect page can be a useful gauge of when it would be helpful to spin off a subtopic of an article into its own page.
• Introducing unnecessary invisible text makes the article more difficult to read in page source form.
• Non-piped links make better use of the "what links here" tool, making it easier to track how articles are linked and helping with large-scale changes to links.

1. From Wikipedia:Redirect#Do_not_.22fix.22_links_to_redirects_that_are_not_broken:

• There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. While there are a limited number of cases where this is beneficial, there is otherwise no good reason to pipe links solely to avoid redirects. Doing so is generally an unhelpful, time-wasting exercise that can actually be detrimental. It is almost never helpful to replace [[redirect]] with [[target|redirect]].

Colonies Chris (talk) 08:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

@Colonies Chris: I'm sorry if I did harm, but there are some things to understand about clicking an old name. One of my pet peeves when I click an old name, most say "redirected to". What I'm simply doing is not make the article say "redirected to". I've been editing tour pages for a while, and always made sure links don't say "redirected to". Sorry if I did any harm, I was trying to make sure people weren't messing with links. Also, there were edits you made that removed cities and countries' hyperlinks. For example, I noticed links like Washington, D.C. And United States were removed. Was there a reason to remove those? Again, sorry if I did harm. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 17:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Redirects are one of the strong points of Wikipedia - that one article can intentionally be redirected to another, without having to manually pipe every reference to a superseded name. It's a way of encoding knowledge for the benefit of other editors - for example, an editor can just link "Trumpton Stadium" without needing to know that it's currently called "National CheeseBurger Arena" - the redirect will automatically take the reader to the current name. And when the name changes again, only the redirect needs to change. (Another similar use is for things that don't have ther own article - an editor can link to a specific aircraft model such as a Lockheed C-56B Lodestar without needing to know that it's actually covered in the article Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar, because the redirect encapsulates that knowledge.)

I unlinked common items in line with Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked - specifically "The names of major geographic features and locations, languages, nationalities and religions". Ther's no value in linking "United States" or "London", or "Asia", for example - no reader is ever going to click on them - whereas they might want to find out something about lesser-known places such as Helsinki or Caracas or Missoula, Montana.

Colonies Chris (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

@Colonies Chris: Oh, okay! Thanks for the clarification! Musicpoplover12 (talk) 19:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

The Red Tour

I am so sorry because I undo your edits. Please edit The Red Tour again because IP vandalize the page. I undo the page 2 times so maybe I can be banned by the 3RR if I do the third time :( Phamthuathienvan (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

September 2016

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on The Pinkprint Tour. And please don't scream at them in edit summaries by using all-caps. [1] -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Archived url's

I use the Wayback Machine's archived url's as trusted citations for in the future, because artist's websites tend to change from time to time. It doesn't matter whether the North American tour is over or not. The article requires those archived sources to prove that those dates were posted on Demi's website at the time as they aren't visible anymore. Same goes for song articles in which you provide sources for which date they impacted radio, you'll have to archive it as well, otherwise you lose the source. So, please do not remove the archived url's I added, thanks. Give Your a Break 16:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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Magnolia677 have reported me to the Wikipedia administrator for vandalism on my recent edit on MGM Grand Garden Arena, place take a look at my edit history and the message that I have left on his/her talk page. Magnolia677 reverted my edit because they are unsourced. However, I felt that I am being unfairly treated becahse he/she reported me for vandalism despite the fact that I have provided my references.. He/she seem to be very strict with WP:VERIFIABILITY & I felt he/she have something against me. The only reason why I provide bare URLs instead of full proper reference is because there was something wrong with my laptop & I find it very difficult to do so on my mobile edit. I have been blocked twice previously for unsourced edit. I urge you to talk to Magnolia677 as soon as possible to avoid any further conflicts and misunderstanding. In case if I didn't reply you, it means I am blocked so you may wish to leave me a message on my talk page as it is the only page I can edit. Thank you very much my dear friend. Xinyang Aliciabritney (talk) 11:25, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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Dangerous Woman Tour

Thank you for your injection of common sense.  — Calvin999 09:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Fan4Life is at it again, not listening.  — Calvin999 19:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Calvin999: You're welcome. If Fan4Life keeps making these edits, I may have to go on this account's talk page and explain that tour pages put a date on the end date regardless if it ended or not. Usually, I never have to go on someone's talk page, but I might have to if it keeps up. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 21:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

And no there's an IP who is doing the same thing, hmm  — Calvin999 10:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Calvin999: So, Fan4Life took matters, and referred my edits as vandalism when clearly, they are not. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 18:51, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I just don't get it. He/She is completely ignoring MoS. It's made the history unstable, it's created an edit war, deliberate provocations, citing unsourced info for this 'we know it's not the end' nonsense, ownership and fancruft. Unbelievable.  — Calvin999 22:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, IP 188.175.152.230 is 100% Fan4Life. I've been undone again.  — Calvin999 23:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

OVERLINK and linking nations

Please read WP:OVERLINK. U2 touring in a nation does not require a link to that nation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Mandalay Bay Events Center, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:58, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: Hi. Not sure why you reverted my edit. All the other numbers on the table are not sourced, and it's also because the numbers are provided in the tour article, so I just transferred the numbers from the tour article to the venue article. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I have tagged the section as unsourced. If you could please add a source to your edit it will start the improvement. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Please stop adding promotional text about upcoming concert performances that are months or years away. Please wait until after they have occurred, then add them to the venue article with a source. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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D.R.E.A.M. The Tour

Please stop reverting my edits on D.R.E.A.M. The Tour regarding the shows. The tables are divided and sortable because each table should allow for MOS:ACCESS#Tables. WP:CONCERT#Tables states "To meet WP web accessibility goals, tables normally should include a caption, scope of headers ( ! scope="col" | and ! scope="row" | ), and other concerns as outlined in MOS:DTAB and MOS:DTT. The latter also advises against including column headers in the middle of the table (such as those spanning several columns) and provides examples." Chrisnait (talk) 15:34, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying to keep consistency for all tour pages. I've edited many tour pages in the past that did not require to create separate tables for separate legs. Keeping it all in one table keeps it organized all in one place. I do understand that making separate sections make for easier editing, but I created D.R.E.A.M. The Tour just like all the other tour pages I created. Again, please look at all my contributions on my user page, User:Musicpoplover12, which shows all tables are organized all in one and not separate sections. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 08:16, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I know you wan't to keep consistency, but those are the rules for tables on WP. Your behavior makes me believe that you feel that you "own" the article, which is a violation of WP's rules (see WP:OWN). Chrisnait (talk) 16:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not trying to "own" the article. I just created the article to follow similar articles I created. Also, if the rules are there, shouldn't all tour pages be discussing this matter rather than discussing just this one? I'm trying to make sense of this because the discussion should be brought to all tour page if this rule there. Just wondering that since we are talking about this. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 20:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

The rule for concert tables was added in October 2019. Because the new rule hasn't really been noticed, several articles still use the outdated format for concert tables, including the ones I've made and this one. Since there are hundreds and hundreds of tour articles on WP that need to be updated. When I get the chance, I'll update my concert pages to use the new table format. Before, I was planning to expand D.R.E.A.M. The Tour, but I just don't have the time to do all of that now. However, I will eventually expand the article. I'm sorry for accusing you for owning the article, but I was just trying to follow the rules. Chrisnait (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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