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Well said!Liz Read! Talk!
2 March 2024 |
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Staying cool when the editing gets hot!
If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
And if I wasn't involved, personal attacks clearly warrant a block.
Please revive or restore this Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani[edit]
Happy New Year Dear Liz. Please revive this draft for me so I can work on its text and new Independent and secondary sources:Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani.Thanks for your help as always.—Patricia (Talk) 09:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Wishing you a happy 2024! [edit]
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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).
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Question[edit]
On 25th October 2023 (of last year) you deleted a draft titled One Air. The deletion notice says to contact you if I am unsure that I am creating the same article. What was that deleted draft about? Thanks Njsky (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Njsky,
- I apologize for this delayed response. This User talk page gets a lot of traffic and I often fall behind in responding to queries. Luckily, I have some very helpful editors who watch this page and sometimes step up to offer assistance.
- I'd be happy to help you but you need to provide me a link to the exact page you are concerned about. Then I can see why it was deleted which will determine what I can do about it. Again, I'm sorry for the wait. Liz Read! Talk! 02:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Happy New Year, Liz![edit]
Liz,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 23:11, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Biographical image categories.[edit]
On further reflection, I do think these should be considered project categories, as we are constantly receiving new uploads of biographical images, which should be categorized by year of publication if the data is available. Therefore, there is reason for the categories to exist, even if empty. BD2412 T 23:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, BD2412,
- I just go by the Empty Categories list, if there is an {{emptycat}} tag on a category, the bots ignore it completely. It's what is used on most WikiProject categories which are sometimes empty. Sorry for my delay in replying to you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Operation Snowball[edit]
I dont think that Operation Snowball was relisted correctly at 22DEC2023 AFD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Jax 0677,
- XFDCloser sometimes has problems with relisting discussions. I'll look into this. Liz Read! Talk! 03:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
You've got mail (revision deletion request)[edit]
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. at any time by removing the {{Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 21:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Possible G6[edit]
Hey Liz! I saw you closed the AFD for Stephen Jacob Jimbangan and I'm wanting to know if how it looked at deletion is similar enough to how it looks now and would be valid for a G6. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 03:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Blaze Wolf,
- I didn't do a careful analysis but at first glance, this current version is much more expansive and detailed. The version that was deleted was very short and had a lot of charts regarding elections which this article doesn't have. But I'll review it again tomorrow morning when my eyes are fresh. I don't think it's an automatic CSD G4 though. THe previous version was written by an editor who was later blocked. Is there any indications of sockpuppetry here? Liz Read! Talk! 03:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it a kind of promotion on Wikipedia?[edit]
Hi Liz, I have always seen that you are one of Wikipedia's active administrators. And thank you so much for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please include this matter in your note. I'm writing to you because I didn't get a satisfactory response on Teahouse. Note that I'm not criticizing anyone in particular. I would just like to know if that is correct or incorrect.
"I think this is a serious issue for Wikipedia decorum. Today i noticed a user named User:Sush150 frequently adding Bollywood Hungama website links as references on Wikipedia's various articles. I checked his recent contribution on the pages below and found Bollywood Hungama is used very frequently as references: Singham Again, Murder Mubarak, Maddock Films, List of Hindi films of 2024, List of Hindi films of 2023, List of Hindi films of 2021, List of Hindi films of 2020, Kareena Kapoor Khan filmography, Tiger Shroff, List of highest domestic net collection of Hindi films, Dunki (film), Tiger 3, Fighter (2024 film), Jawan (film), Akshay Kumar filmography.
These are few i found, but i am sure there is a long list. Macbeejack ☎ 10:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Macbeejack,
- I have to ask, what is the status of Bollywood Hungama on the list of reliable sources, especially the list of ones from India? Sush150 is a longtime editor and I would guess familiar with the rules of adding external links and sources. I glanced at a few of their edits and they used other sources as well. Typically, in these types of complaints, the editor in question is a brand new editor who is trying to promote a media source or who is not familiar with sourcing guidelines but that doesn't seem to be the case here. If you think they are overusing this source, you could pose them a question or query about it on their User talk page. Or, if you have questions about whether or not this is a reliable source, it would be worth starting a discussion on the Reliable Source noticeboard. But I don't see anything immediately that would warrant admin action. Liz Read! Talk! 21:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank You for your response. Understood. Macbeejack ☎ 03:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
2025 Women's World Floorball Championships[edit]
Can someone please tell me why my article got deleted? They say too soon but the same reviewer also reviewed my 2027 Netball World Cup page and that was fine, despite it being almost 2 years after the 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships would've ended. So, in my opinion, I think that it's a bogus excuse. Then you could say that the article was not very good, but I heavily improved it with many Czech articles giving me very useful information for the article. I'm sick of people making bogus arguments about this article and not giving a proper reason for its deletion. To me, it comes across as one of the reasons for the article being deleted is simply because it's Floorball, a relatively niche sport, and that if it was football, it would've been kept. Once again, can people please give me a proper answer? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 11:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ILoveSport2006,
- Please give me a link to the page you are concerned about and then I can see why it was deleted. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the link: 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships (it's a draft right now but it's the same as the original article). I made it a draft for now so that my work on the article wasn't a waste of time. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ILoveSport2006,
- Well, that article was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2025 Women's World Floorball Championships which just closed. You can see the reasons editors offered for its deletion in this discussion.
- It's very hard to overcome an AFD delete decision, the only way I know is to create a draft version and submit it to WP:AFC for review. The AFC reviewer will see if the new draft has overcome the problems pointed out at the AFD discussion. But since it is a 2025 event, it might just be TOOSOON for this article to be in main space. At least, the article was moved to Draft space instead of being tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. I don't think taking this route through Draft space is a "waste of time", it's how articles that have been deleted through AFD discussions are recreated.
- One last thought though, if it is too soon for an article about an 2025 event, you might keep a draft in your User space like a sandbox, then you don't have to worry about it being deleted through CSD G13 speedy deletion. I realize this is not the answer you wanted to hear but it's what I know from working on this project and seeing many, many articles and drafts deleted through the CSD, PROD and AFD processes. Liz Read! Talk! 20:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding and thanks for giving me advice, but you didn't really answer my question. I'm asking why it was deleted, I can't see it being too soon, because the same reviewer didn't tag my 2027 Netball World Cup for deletion. The article meets all the requirements. It has numerous reliable sources, multiple sections and many primary and third party references. Also, I made it a draft, to make sure that my hard work it didn't get all deleted. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I am going to submit it for review now. Let's hope that works. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding and thanks for giving me advice, but you didn't really answer my question. I'm asking why it was deleted, I can't see it being too soon, because the same reviewer didn't tag my 2027 Netball World Cup for deletion. The article meets all the requirements. It has numerous reliable sources, multiple sections and many primary and third party references. Also, I made it a draft, to make sure that my hard work it didn't get all deleted. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Here's the link: 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships (it's a draft right now but it's the same as the original article). I made it a draft for now so that my work on the article wasn't a waste of time. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
deleted page[edit]
Hi sorry to disturb, i'm new on wikipedia can you help me recovering data from the page: world rafting federation - i need to move it into my sandbox but i'm learning how - at the moment i don't have a draft. Thanks for your time! Serioushaha (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Serioushaha,
- Can you give me a link to the deleted article or draft you are talking about? If you are talking about how to create an article from scratch, you'll get more help by going to the Teahouse or Articles for Creation. Liz Read! Talk! 18:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi! Thanks for your quick answer: it was this article here: User:World Rafting Federation.
- this is the message i received:
- This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
- 18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs deleted page User:World Rafting Federation (U2: Userpage or subpage of a nonexistent user) Tag: Twinkle (thank)
- 18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs moved page User:World Rafting Federation to Draft:World Rafting Federation (Moving to Draft space, not a User) (revert) (thank) Serioushaha (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Serioushaha, I see you've posted this request in a few different places. Your deleted article was restored earlier by Ritchie333, and since then it has moved a few times but is now live at Draft:World Rafting Federation. You can work on it there. If you would like to move it anyway, the move dialog works like this: below the "new title" line are two boxes. The first is a drop-down where you select a "namespace" (the part of the title before the colon). All Wikipedia pages live in one of these namespaces, including articles (which the dropdown indicates by "(Article)", since the titles of articles don't include the namespace). The second box is for the rest of the title. Right now, the page is in the "Draft:" namespace, and has the title "World Rafting Federation". Your sandbox is located at User:Serioushaha/sandbox - if you wanted to move the page to your own sandbox, you would select the "User:" namespace, and enter the title "Serioushaha/sandbox". Sorry if that's confusing but that's how it works. You can always ask for help, too! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. So if i've doin correct now i moved it to the sandbox where i can work on without any problems right? Cause it's not published yet? Serioushaha (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Serioushaha, I see you've posted this request in a few different places. Your deleted article was restored earlier by Ritchie333, and since then it has moved a few times but is now live at Draft:World Rafting Federation. You can work on it there. If you would like to move it anyway, the move dialog works like this: below the "new title" line are two boxes. The first is a drop-down where you select a "namespace" (the part of the title before the colon). All Wikipedia pages live in one of these namespaces, including articles (which the dropdown indicates by "(Article)", since the titles of articles don't include the namespace). The second box is for the rest of the title. Right now, the page is in the "Draft:" namespace, and has the title "World Rafting Federation". Your sandbox is located at User:Serioushaha/sandbox - if you wanted to move the page to your own sandbox, you would select the "User:" namespace, and enter the title "Serioushaha/sandbox". Sorry if that's confusing but that's how it works. You can always ask for help, too! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Please revive or restore[edit]
Happy New Year Dear Liz. Please revive this draft for me so I can work on its text and new Independent and secondary sources:Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani.Thanks for your help as always. —Patricia (Talk) 20:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Patricia Mannerheim,
- Done Restoring a draft deleted by the request of the page creator is an easy thing for an admin to do! But there is an AFC tag from a submission in August 2023 that you might want to remove unless you want it to be reviewed immediately. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 21:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Renaming Embassy of Angola, Ottawa[edit]
I see you reverted the renaming of Embassy of Angola, Ottawa. That name is incorrect, so fixing it is a major part of keeping the article. Could you point to the policy that articles cannot be renamed mid-AFD? It seems counter the spirit of AFD which is to give an opportunity to fix flawed articles to avoid deletion. - SimonP (talk) 02:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, SimonP,
- I don't know if I can locate a line in policy but at this point, I've closed hundreds if not thousands of AFD discussions and I'm in line with practice. Articles are not supposed to be moved to different page titles in the middle of an AFD discussion primarily because it messes up the relisting and closing process which uses XFDCloser. It doesn't understand when the article is at a different page title than the AFD page title and it takes extra time to clean up the mess.
- I assume that this is what started this practice and I can only guess that in your admin career, you haven't closed many deletion discussions since we moved to using XFDCloser. That's where the practice has come from and when pages are moved during an AFD discussion, admins and participating editors routinely moved them back to their original location. This is not just a quirk I follow. But I'll look into whether or not it has been mentioned anywhere in official policy. Like I said, if the article is Kept, feel free to move the article to a more appropriate page title. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 04:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I remember !voting an RfC on this issue, Template talk:Article for deletion#RFC: Add Instruction Not to Move. It closed with consensus that "moving a page within mainspace is a perfectly possible way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion". The XFDCloser issues are real, though, so I'd encourage anyone who does move a page during an AfD to write in bold "Note to closer: this page has recently been moved, so please make sure the closure was carried out correctly" or something like that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Extraordinary Writ, that's my memory, too, that it isn't "forbidden" but it is discouraged. I'm sorry if my actions left the impression that some violation had occurred, I was just trying to make things easier for the AFD closer. Liz Read! Talk! 05:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I remember !voting an RfC on this issue, Template talk:Article for deletion#RFC: Add Instruction Not to Move. It closed with consensus that "moving a page within mainspace is a perfectly possible way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion". The XFDCloser issues are real, though, so I'd encourage anyone who does move a page during an AfD to write in bold "Note to closer: this page has recently been moved, so please make sure the closure was carried out correctly" or something like that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Edward Hulewicz[edit]
For the record, I just replied to the IP at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GoGoGo Airheart.I am frankly appalled that you judged a silly comment such as "This dude produced less (and considerably worse) music, but no one's taking him down" as worthy of attention (let alone the baseless PROD). Cavarrone 09:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Cavarrone,
- I'm sorry that you're "appalled". You disagreed with my nomination and removed the PROD tag. That's how the system works. As for me, no one is perfect. Liz Read! Talk! 04:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for TV Tonight Awards 2020[edit]
An editor has asked for a deletion review of TV Tonight Awards 2020. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 04:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, TechGeek105,
- Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 04:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
To show my appreciation, I present...[edit]
The Double Pendulum of determination | |
Wanted to let you know your hard work at the AFD does not go unnoticed. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC) |
- Hello, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition,
- I've never heard of a Double Pendulum of determination but I'll take it as a compliment. I don't put in as much time at AFD as Daniel does but I try to do my part when I have time. Thanks for the acknowledgment! Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Had to think of something that used alliteration. I don't go to AFD much but see your relists frequently there. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
A kitten for you![edit]
Happy New Year Liz! May this new year bring happiness and prosperity into your life. With the light of the true path, Amen.
Once again, thanks for your kind intervention on my talk page.
Maliner (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Maliner,
- Well, thank you, I think "kind" is what I strive for. I'm glad it came across that way. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at that kitten picture reminds me that I just weighed my two cats this morning to see if they are gaining weight...Rusty is over 20 lbs and Ginger is a lighter 16 lbs. Compared to previous cats I've had, they are enormous but I hear that can happen with orange tabbies. But I do remember when they were the size of this kitten 3 years ago! Liz Read! Talk! 22:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
World Jewish Relief AfD[edit]
Hi, FYI I was in the process of unstriking the comments when you closed. I assume it wouldn't have changed your close even if they were struck/unstruck, but if it would, please feel free to revert my edit. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Daniel,
- Since we both patrol the AFD daily log, often at the same time at the end of the UTC day, it's inevitable that at times we would be editing the same open discussions at the same time! I had added a comment about how inappropriate it was for a nominator to strike the comments of a participating editor they disagreed with and just removed the scolding once I saw you had "unstruck" the remarks. I wish I had noticed that this had happened before I relisted the discussion and I would have commented about it then. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 22:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Recent PROD of Farad,_California[edit]
Hi Liz, I maintain the Farad, California Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/farad.california) which has a link to a page here (https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Farad,_California) that you appear to have deleted for a few reasons you listed: (Expired PROD, concern was: Non-notable location. GNIS does not establish notability; reference 2 is a trivial mention as a site of river data collection; reference 3 is an unreliable GNIS regurgitator, and reference 4 is both broken and unreliable (WordPress). This appears to have just been a railway point beside the hydroelectric station; no other information found.)
I had not visited the Farad wiki page in a very long time and hadn't been aware that some of its information or links were considered too stale, unimportant, or unreliable for the page to stay published. Several of the recent visitors to the Farad FB page had alerted me to the absence of the Wiki page we linked to. Could you please undelete it for a while so I may attempt to fix these issues and add some new relevant information about it?
For instance, the history of the Farad power house (It was the first working hydroelectric power station on the east side of the Sierra mountain range, and was built to provide reliable power to Virginia City, NV and the equipment used in silver mining operations around the city), presence of a public, unmaintained hot spring-fed soaking pool, the maintained hiking trails, and that it's a good fishing spot. The location, sometimes referred to as Mystic, has a marked and well-maintained set of ramps along Interstate 80. It hosted a small settlement of men who were involved in building and maintaining the power station and its related upstream infrastructure for several years. People visit the place every day to explore, rest, hike, fish, and learn about its history from maintained information kiosk. I assure you, it's more than an unremarkable spot along a railway.
Since the last time I visited the Wiki page and created my own page for Farad on Facebook, I've found many more articles and pages with valuable and verifiable information about Farad's history and things it provides, and hope to update the wiki page accordingly. Many thanks of you could help us out. Erik Schorr (talk) 10:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Simply request the article be undeleted at WP:RFU; I agree that the subject has enough coverage in media to warrant an article, as in this Reno Gazette-Journal profile 47.188.28.132 (talk) 00:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- This only points to the need for an article about the power plant and the amenities available there, because the notable subject is that power plant. Notability of the power plant doesn't transfer to the populated place if there ever was one. And, this is the reason people want to delete the article as it's masquerading as a populated place, and it isn't. Why don't you just write the appropriate article and let this populated place article die.James.folsom (talk) 23:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Just a hello[edit]
Hello @Liz,
You would not be knowing me but I know you even before I myself started editing wikipedia. I had nominated 2 articles previously for Afd namely Shivalik Public School and Darshan Singh Sur and both were ultimately deleted by you. So first, thanks for that. And the question that how do I know you before even joining wikipedia personally would most probably be the question due to which you would be reading till here. Once my dad also joined wikipedia but for some other reason and out of lack of knowledge of wikipedia's policies was going to make a wikipedia article about his own book and which was surely removed by admins but you were the one who told him about the policies and he told me that and I was feeling nostaglic.
Hello
Sorry to waste your time.
Thanks![edit]
Hi Liz, Thanks for cleaning up my extra Mildred Barnes Royse page. I knew I had messed it up, but wasn’t sure how to fix it.
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T. E. Meeks (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
1959 Australian films[edit]
Hello. I see you've nominated empty categories such as 1950 Australian films for deletion. I found Category:1959 Australian films, which is populated but probably shouldn't be as it seems to be our only remaining "yyyy Countrian films" category. I'm not a film or categorisation expert, but please get rid of it if appropriate. Thanks, Certes (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Regarding change of username[edit]
Hello I am @Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) I want to change my current real username for personal reasons and I want to keep my real name private please help me to change my username Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Chandrakant Kannake (Actor): user renaming is a public action, meaning that people will be able to see that you changed your name from "Chandrakant Kannake (Actor)" to whatever your new username is. If you are looking for privacy, you would be better advised to retire this account entirely and start a new account under a newly created username. This is permissible as long as you don't use the new account in a way that deceives editors into thinking that multiple people are, for example, commenting in favor of an outcome in a discussion. BD2412 T 16:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please sir I humbly request you help me to change my username @BD2412 Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) (talk) 16:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Instructions for such a request may be found at Wikipedia:Changing username. Wikipedia administrators no longer have the internal ability to change usernames. BD2412 T 16:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please sir I humbly request you help me to change my username @BD2412 Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) (talk) 16:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Question re a deleted Draft article - 2nd TRY[edit]
Hi Liz - You are one busy gal! :)
I never got a reply to this question that I posted here back on 18 December. So I'm reposting it:
I just want to know the name of the editor who created the article at Draft:L Dee Fink that you deleted here a couple of years ago. And while you're at it, can you also tell me when that draft was posted?
Thanks! Anomalous+0 (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Anomalous+0,
- I certainly don't mind you reposting a talk page message that I haven't gotten to. I can get behind on responding to messages. I'm sorry if that was frustrating to you.
- In regard to your questions, that draft editor was User:ECA-F20. It was their only edit in October 2020 and they posted a full article on this subject in their draft. When that happens, it often means that the content was cut and pasted from another source but since it wasn't submitted to AFC, it was never checked for possible copyright violations. As for the date, drafts that are deleted via CSD G13 have their last edit to the page 6 months prior to the deletion date if that helps you in the future.
- May I ask why you are curious? Are you going to request this draft's restoration? Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Vankasida[edit]
Hi Liz, RE Draft:Miss Planet International, the user Vankasida states here User_talk:Vannet_Kun#Request_unblock that they are indeed a sock of the blocked Vannet Kun. I've opened SPI on this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vannet Kun. Of course, we can wait for that to close, if you'd like, but to me this seems pretty clear? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Vannet Kun is mine, but i still don't understand why i was a sockpuppet. I didn't intend to destroy anyting. I just created account to create an article related to The Miss Planet International organization, which has already been held three times. However, there is no article related to it yet. That's why I created an article related to it. I have not created Draft:Miss Planet International 2019 yet, but I have created:
- There is enough information that you can check on Google and other websites. You can also check the official Facebook page of Miss Planet International. Lastly, please don't try to block me, as I have no ill intensions. I will read the Wikipedia Guidelines and learn from my past mistakes. I want to be a positive contributor to Wikipedia. If you want to know more about me, you can contact me on my User talk page. Vankasida (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Vankasida: when your account is blocked, and you just go ahead and create another one and continue editing, that is pretty much the definition of sockpuppetry; how is that difficult to understand? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @DoubleGrazing Thanks you for telling me. Now i understand, but what can I do to get rid of a sockpuppetry from my account? Vankasida (talk) 11:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Vankasida: when your account is blocked, and you just go ahead and create another one and continue editing, that is pretty much the definition of sockpuppetry; how is that difficult to understand? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Mass creation of new categories[edit]
Hi Liz; I don't pay much attention to categories, unless I see obvious disruption e.g., addition of categories that aren't sourced in the article, etc, or addition of top-level categories already covered by more granular categories. I noticed this large scale creation of new categories; I have no doubt it's in good faith, but the first thing I'm wondering is surely there's a reason these categories didn't exist before? I'm wondering if they are too "intersectional" as defined in WP:CATDD. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Village Enterprise Wikipedia page[edit]
Hi Liz,
I hope you are doing well. My name is Brett and I work for the nonprofit Village Enterprise that is working to end extreme poverty in rural Africa. I'm reaching out because I believe you moved Village Enterprise's Wikipedia page into draft mode (see here), and I believe it may be deleted in the next week or so. I'd be more than happy to work with the editorial team at Wikipedia to answer any questions about the organization to get the page reinstated and more current.
In case it is of use, I thought I would point out several articles that could be of use to updating the page. Village Enterprise received a Fast Company World Changing Ideas Award for their DREAMS for Refugees project with Mercy Corps in May of 2023. They also received a $7 million donation from MacKenzie Scott in 2023. That same year, Dianne Calvi, Village Enterprise's CEO and President, was honored with the President's Award for the Advancement of the Common Good from Stanford University, and she had an op-ed published in Fortune on World Refugee Day. In 2022, IDinsight published the results of their independent randomized controlled trial of the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (see report here), and the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond was featured in a 2022 Brookings event.
Please let me know if I can be of assistance in any way to having the page reinstated.
Best,
Brett BrettSlezak (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @BrettSlezak I made an edit to re-set the deletion clock. Have a read of WP:ORG to understand the kind of sourcing needed if Village Enterprise is going to become an article. Feel free to be in touch if @Liz or I can be of help in any way. Star Mississippi 02:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi and @Liz,
- Star Mississippi thank you for making an edit to re-set the deletion clock—I really appreciate it.
- I've read WP:ORG to better understand the sourcing needed for Village Enterprise to become an article. I believe the following articles are significant, independent, reliable, and secondary sources proving Village Enterprise's notability: Devex's coverage of the results from the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (the first impact bond for poverty alleviation in Africa), Fast Company's World Changing Ideas Award for Village Enterprise, Mercy Corps, and IDinsight for their joint DREAMS initiative to serve refugees living in extreme poverty, coverage of Village Enterprise's business and saving group model and the impact it is having on an entrepreneur named Salome Lodis in Kenya in Nation, and coverage of Village Enterprise's poverty graduation model and results in an article on the poverty graduation approach in Vox (this article features multiple organizations and studies but significant attention is paid to Village Enterprise. The organization is also written about in this SSIR article from 2013. There was also a Brookings event on the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond results — multiple stakeholders from the project were part of a panel, including Village Enterprise's Taddeo Muriuki.
- With those articles in mind, what is needed to get the Village Enterprise Wikipedia article back up? I'm happy to look at the draft and provide suggested edits here with sourcing for yourself to review. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. BrettSlezak (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- HI @BrettSlezak and thanks for your note.
- While I'm not sure that sourcing is sufficient, others may disagree. In order to make this sourcing stand out, I'd remove things like the founders' pledge and charity newswire which add to volume of sourcing but don't add to notability. You'd then be welcome to re-submit it through WP:AFC for review. You're not required to, but since you noted you're an employee (and thank you for doing so) it's best practice to do so. Let me know if you need help with that. Happy to as I can. Star Mississippi 03:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. Is the best way for me to submit my edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. I've re-written and re-sourced the entire article in a Google Doc for the time-being, so once if this is correct, I should be able to update it soon. Thanks again. BrettSlezak (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- so once I know if this correct (typo - my bad) BrettSlezak (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi and @Liz,
- Just wanted to resubmit my question—is the best way for me to submit edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Thanks for all of your help! BrettSlezak (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping and apologies for missing your prior note @BrettSlezak. Yes, you can add your re-write to the existing draft and re-submit it. I'd note on the Talk that you have done so in order for a large edit not to concern folks about a copyright/copy paste which isn't the case here. Star Mississippi 01:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. I just wanted to update you that I have submitted my rewrite of Draft:Village Enterprise through WP:AFC. I've also noted my rewrite on the Talk so hopefully it doesn't cause any concerns.
- Thanks again for all of your help. I'm looking forward to the rewrite being reviewed. BrettSlezak (talk) 19:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks again for all of your guidance as I was working on the Draft: Village Enterprise. One other question I wanted to run by you — is there anything I can do to help the page be reviewed? It's been about 4 weeks since it was submitted, but I understand it could take 8 weeks or so. Are drafts reviewed in the order they are submitted, so that we are moving to the top of the queue? BrettSlezak (talk) 02:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping and apologies for missing your prior note @BrettSlezak. Yes, you can add your re-write to the existing draft and re-submit it. I'd note on the Talk that you have done so in order for a large edit not to concern folks about a copyright/copy paste which isn't the case here. Star Mississippi 01:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- so once I know if this correct (typo - my bad) BrettSlezak (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. Is the best way for me to submit my edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. I've re-written and re-sourced the entire article in a Google Doc for the time-being, so once if this is correct, I should be able to update it soon. Thanks again. BrettSlezak (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
User:CiceroHunter[edit]
Hi, Liz. Based on the discussions on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:CiceroHunter could the discussion be closed and could the userpage and subpages be redirected to my main account as the last comment suggested if possible I'd be happy if they were to be redirected to my main current userpage and account. Is this doable? Regards. ShadowWarfare 21:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ShadowWarfare,
- I should have read this message more carefully before running over to MFD to check out the status of the discussion. I relisted the discussion since it had such low participation so I don't think I can immediately close it now. This discussion had no consensus so unless there is a new rush of editors to offer their opinion, it is likely to close as "No consensus" and then you can redirect the pages yourself. But please wait until it closes which should be in a day or two.
- I really apologize for how long this discussion has been open, we don't have as many admins and NAC editors closing discussions on MFD and, in fact, I've only closed 2 or 3 myself. I'm sorry that you find the atmosphere on Wikipedia toxic. Over the 10 years I've been editing the project, I've taken two breaks, early on for 6 months and later for 2 years until I returned in 2018. I found myself involved in disputes with editors that looked like they would last a lifetime but when I returned both times, those editors had moved on from editing. Sometimes you just need a WikiBreak. But don't worry, we'll get this resolved for you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh. I acted first, closed the MfD, and then found this. I missed the date you relisted the discussion. Sorry Liz. ShadowWarfare you may want to redirect any other subpages. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Nomination of Hibaq Jama for deletion[edit]
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hibaq Jama until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.Pseudoname1 (talk) 00:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Pseudoname1,
- I made one small edit to this article over 2 years ago. Why are you giving me this notice? It typically goes to the page creator and other major contributors. Liz Read! Talk! 00:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello User:Liz,
- Thank you for your reply. Apologies for the intrusion, but I thought I would try to engage some of the article's most recent contributors, particularly those who have had previous involvement in the deletion proposals. The original creator appears to have been banned from editing English Wikipedia and any other substantive edits have been thin on the ground as you might imagine.
- Sorry once again for sending you this, however- this is my first AFD nomination and I realise I might have overcooked it on the courtesy notifications.
- Feel free to delete this notice if you wish though, I'll harbour no ill will :) Pseudoname1 (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Pseudoname1,
- I was more curious than upset because we have an ongoing problem with deletion nominators not informing ANY content creators when they nominate articles for deletion. So, for you to go beyond the necessary to consider other editors who might be interested is admirable, I think. I'll check out the discussion as it progresses. Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Liz,
- Brilliant, thanks for the feedback and for offering to keep tabs on the discussion :) Pseudoname1 (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Wrt Jest (framework)[edit]
Hey,
Would it be possible to undelete Jest (framework) ? My understanding is that it is one of the leading testing frameworks in the Computer science industry with multiple sources:
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-30826-0_4
- https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/10301340
- https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4842-9648-6_2
- https://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Rhl1CgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP116&dq=jest+testing+framework&ots=JlrtvDxQSE&sig=DmCYIqUeYi4NqMgFXZlMEFzcJf4#v=onepage&q=jest%20testing%20framework&f=false
Sohom (talk) 08:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Sohom,
- The AFD was closed as a Soft Delete so the answer is "Yes". However, I'd like to ask you where you would like it to be restored. If I restore it to Draft or User space, then you'd be free to work on improving the article at your leisure. If I restore it to main space, you run the risk of it being renominated at a second AFD where, according to our guidelines, it can't be Soft Deleted again so if it was a Delete closure, it would be very difficult to restore it again. But it's your choice. Let me know. Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Advice about possible mis-use of userspace[edit]
Could you look at this and advise me on whether I'm correct that this is mis-use, and what to do next? Possibly open a MfD? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Bri,
- I didn't check all of those pages but I'm assuming they are copies of main space articles posted in User space? That is definitely discouraged. So far, the editor has not responded to your message.
- Honestly, I don't think it's worth you pursuing this matter even though you are probably right. WP:MFD has its own unwritten rules and regulars and what I've noticed is that they frown on editors who patrol other editor's User pages and judge it to be unproductive busywork. They usually Keep nominated User pages unless they are clear violations of CSD G5 or they have content that violates BLP guidelines or has racist or other offensive content. We have millions and millions of User pages that probably merit deletion for being abandoned and useless but it's extremely difficult to get them deleted unless they can be CSD G5'd or have objectionable content. It's to the point where no one even proposes their deletion through a new CSD criteria any more, I imagine because veteran editors would argue against it. But this is all just my observation, not based in any policy. Liz Read! Talk! 02:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
AfD formatting[edit]
Something has gone wrong here with the script, I couldn't work it out though - sorry for not fixing. Daniel (talk) 02:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Daniel,
- I don't see that you made any edits to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Discovery of the nonmetals so I'm unclear on what might have gone wrong.
- I don't know if you've noticed but I think about 5% of the time, XFDcloser screws up the relisting of AFD discussions. It happened to me last night. XFDcloser either a) doesn't remove the AFD from the current day's AFD daily log (1/3/23) or b) it doesn't repost the AFD on the future AFD daily log (1/10/23) or c) the worst, it removes the AFD from the current daily log and doesn't post the AFD on the future daily log. We used to have one or two editors who used to hunt down AFD discussions that fell through the cracks like this and just disappeared from the daily logs but I think they've moved on to other tasks. Unless the nominator keeps track of them, AFD discussions can linger on, unclosed for months if they are not reposted to the future AFD daily log. Luckily, this doesn't happen that often. I've meant to post about this at Wikipedia talk:XFDcloser but questions there often go unresponded to so I guess the developers are AWOL. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Confirming I didn't make any edits there - I was just running through the daily log page and because something was breaking the shading of the discussion, the daily log was a mess. I've also found that the relist function sometimes fails, I've now started checking to make sure it edits the new log to paste it on to avoid having debates end up in the void. Daniel (talk) 02:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Sock returned[edit]
You might want to look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Marxist Economist#10 January 2024. ShaanSenguptaTalk 02:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Shaan Sengupta,
- Thank you for letting me know. It sure looks like the same editor. They maintain a high level of activity when they do edit. Unfortunately, they seem persistent so they might frequently create new accounts. You have become very skilled at filing SPI cases which makes things easier for checkusers and SPI clerks. Liz Read! Talk! 00:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Liz. One more was found as Confirmed by CU. They are blocked now. Let's see if they return again which I strongly believe they will very soon (might have made a new account by now). Also the case in now merged Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007. ShaanSenguptaTalk 05:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Recently deleted page: William Macintyre[edit]
Hi Liz,
I was just wondering why you deleted my page on William Macintyre, and wasn’t just left as a draft so I could improve it. Is there something that I have done wrong? If so, how can I retrieve information to improve the page whilst it still being a draft?
Thank you. Certified Formula Neek (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Certified Formula Neek,
- Draft:William Macintyre (racing driver) was a redirect page, it had no content on it. It redirected to William Macintyre (racing driver) which was deleted as a redirect from main space to Draft space, CSD R2. That article was moved to Draft:William Macintyre where you can find the articles and continue to work on it. If you look at your own Contributions page, you can see where pages have been relocated to. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ah ok. Thank you very much, I didn't realise that! Certified Formula Neek (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz,
As pages created before the earliest block/ban on any account are ineligible for WP:CSD#G5, I ask that you revert your recent G5 deletions of pages created by the Miyera20 sockfarm. I'm unware of any more significant abuse and those pages are mostly sitting around harmlessly. Cheers, Complex/Rational 00:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ComplexRational,
- I checked the SPI case but it looks like I made a major mistake here. I replied to you on the user talk page of the editor who tagged all of those pages. It looks like I'll be spending a good amount of time tonight restoring pages and reverting tagging. I'm sorry for this inconvenience and I'm grateful that you are holding me accountable to be more careful in my admin responsiblities. Liz Read! Talk! 00:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, I've done the same thing before. (And we were typing our respective messages at the same time, so I didn't see the ping until I finished writing here.) Complex/Rational 00:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Liz, remember when I told you how much time Twinkle's batch-undelete feature can save? Now you can see for yourself! I put the list of deleted userboxes at User:Extraordinary Writ/sandbox7, so if you go to that page, choose "Und-batch" from the Twinkle menu, and enter your reason, it should undelete all 92 pages for you in short order. It unfortunately doesn't remove the deletion tags, but you should be able to do that fairly quickly by just rollbacking the relevant edits. Let me know if you run into any issues. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh wow, Extraordinary Writ, I have never done a batch undelete before. Thanks for showing me how. I'm working on another task right now and I hope those pages do not get re-deleted before I can remove the CSD tags.
- By the way, is it possible to use Twinkle to tag a list of pages? I see some editors/admins to mass tagging of pages, all occurring at the same minute, and the only way I can guess that they are able to do this is by using Twinkle. Or is it AWB? Thanks again so much for creating this list for me. Much appreciated. Liz Read! Talk! 01:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to help. I don't think Twinkle can mass-tag pages. AWB is definitely a possibility, or they could just be opening pages in multiple tabs and tagging them all at once, or there could be some other script I'm not familiar with. If there's a particular example you're thinking of, let me know and I can try to figure it out. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Well, they are instances like the one here that I responded to incorrectly, editors/admins mass-tagging pages CSD G5 or mass-tagging empty categories CSD C1. I am intimidated by AWB and afraid to doing any mass-editing projects just in case another mistake like this one happens. But I know there are plenty of editors like BD2412 or BrownHairedGirl who used AWB without problems. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like the userboxes were all tagged manually. Usually the diff will tell you if Twinkle, AWB, JWB, etc. were used, although that isn't foolproof. I certainly understand the hesitancy to use AWB; I've had my share of problems with it and try not to use it unless I have to. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I know AWB wasn't used this time but I've seen a mass page tagging in the past. Always wondered how this was done. Maybe if I get some free time (hah!) I'll look into AWB and give it another try. I don't take on mass-editing projects like moving commas or fixing references so I'm not sure how useful it would be for the regular tasks I take on. Liz Read! Talk! 02:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I used massRollback to undo some of the CSD taggings from the user contributions page. I found it very effective (though it does carry a risk of misfiring) – maybe you'd like to use it as well. Complex/Rational 03:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ComplexRational,
- I've never tried that, thanks for the suggestion. Is there a way to "Mass roll forward" an edit and mass tag, just like mass rollback only in reverse? I'm almost done with reverting these CSD G5 edits. But I got halfway through doing it and thought, why isn't the editor who placed the CSD tags reverting themselves? Why am I doing this?! But it needs to be done and I'm online so be it. Liz Read! Talk! 04:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- That's what the mop and bucket are for...
- I'm not aware of any tool for mass tagging – only Special:Nuke to go right ahead and delete – though I also generally don't do large-scale semi-automated editing. Complex/Rational 04:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for all of the help and support, especially you, Extraordinary Writ, for those last reverts. Much appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I know AWB wasn't used this time but I've seen a mass page tagging in the past. Always wondered how this was done. Maybe if I get some free time (hah!) I'll look into AWB and give it another try. I don't take on mass-editing projects like moving commas or fixing references so I'm not sure how useful it would be for the regular tasks I take on. Liz Read! Talk! 02:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like the userboxes were all tagged manually. Usually the diff will tell you if Twinkle, AWB, JWB, etc. were used, although that isn't foolproof. I certainly understand the hesitancy to use AWB; I've had my share of problems with it and try not to use it unless I have to. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Well, they are instances like the one here that I responded to incorrectly, editors/admins mass-tagging pages CSD G5 or mass-tagging empty categories CSD C1. I am intimidated by AWB and afraid to doing any mass-editing projects just in case another mistake like this one happens. But I know there are plenty of editors like BD2412 or BrownHairedGirl who used AWB without problems. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to help. I don't think Twinkle can mass-tag pages. AWB is definitely a possibility, or they could just be opening pages in multiple tabs and tagging them all at once, or there could be some other script I'm not familiar with. If there's a particular example you're thinking of, let me know and I can try to figure it out. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Liz, remember when I told you how much time Twinkle's batch-undelete feature can save? Now you can see for yourself! I put the list of deleted userboxes at User:Extraordinary Writ/sandbox7, so if you go to that page, choose "Und-batch" from the Twinkle menu, and enter your reason, it should undelete all 92 pages for you in short order. It unfortunately doesn't remove the deletion tags, but you should be able to do that fairly quickly by just rollbacking the relevant edits. Let me know if you run into any issues. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, I've done the same thing before. (And we were typing our respective messages at the same time, so I didn't see the ping until I finished writing here.) Complex/Rational 00:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 10 January 2024[edit]
- From the editor: NINETEEN MORE YEARS! NINETEEN MORE YEARS!
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Scam? Need help please Liz[edit]
Hi Liz. I had someone message me on instagram and say they will publish my site for 200. They published it and deleted it. Can you help me? Thanks! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ravenhockey10,
- What is the article? Do you know the editor's name? You shouldn't pay for Wikipedia services, no one can guarantee that an article won't be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Henry Gendus. I track and follow hedgefund managers and made an edit page for him. Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- AlexHardy20 was the user who edited my original submission to publish it and deleted it. I thought I did everything correct that’s why I agreed to talk with him. Very convincing! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ravenhockey10,
- I have blocked User:Alexhardy20 because they violated Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure guidelines. I believe your article is still available in Draft space at Draft:Henry Gendus. You can always go to your User page and look at your Contributions (in the left-hand column of the page). For your information, an editor, especially a very new editor, can not get a page deleted. They can "tag" a page to be considered for deletion but all tagged pages are reviewed by an administrator first. I'm not sure how they even came across your draft and tracked you down. It might be because you use the same username across platforms. Any way, all they did was move your unapproved draft article to main space, they didn't edit it so it's still in the state that you left it.
- If you have questions about getting your draft accepted, ask the AFC reviewer who declined the draft for advice or go Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles_ for creation/Help desk or the Teahouse for help and advice. I'm sorry you were scammed. You might report the account that contacted you on Instagram. Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I really appreciate all of your help. Can I easily fine the AFC user who declined my draft? Ravenhockey10 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ravenhockey10,
- I was mistaken! This draft has never been reviewed before so I submitted it for you, I hope that is okay. These days, drafts are often reviewed quickly so hopefully you will hear something back in the near future. Liz Read! Talk! 01:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Any help getting it done would be great!! I tried reading thru articles and advice. Just a lot to take in. Ravenhockey10 (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ravenhockey10,
- Well, the important thing to know is that there are resources (some much much better than me!) that you can go to for help. Wikipedia has an awful lot of pages about policies and guidelines, plus a Manual of Style and it is a lot to absorb for new editors. What you don't want to do is to move a draft to the main space of the project too soon, that is what Alexhardy20 did and that can result in an article deletion. Draft space is a safe space you can work in to improve the article. The only reason it would be deleted is if it is seen as advertising or too promotional. Liz Read! Talk! 02:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Any help getting it done would be great!! I tried reading thru articles and advice. Just a lot to take in. Ravenhockey10 (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. I really appreciate all of your help. Can I easily fine the AFC user who declined my draft? Ravenhockey10 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
WikiProject Vital shortcuts[edit]
Hello! Just noticed you deleted the shortcuts of the WikiProject Vital articles of the level 5 subpages, I had just created them, not sure I follow the reasoning provided that they didn't exist. Cheers. The Blue Rider 22:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, The Blue Rider,
- They were orphaned talk pages which are deleted according to CSD G8 guidelines. Unless they are exempt from deletion because the page itself contains content that we want to keep, we delete orphaned talk page (with no accompanying article or project page). If there was a project page redirect, then there can be a talk page redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I'm giving Drmies the evening off--maybe you can help. This is in awful shape since being commandeered by an editor with WP:COI: [1]. Claims like this are just bizarre [2]. My take is that the article can revert to its last stable version [3], but someone will have a fit, and it may be construed as vandalism if I do it. Perhaps there's something salvageable in that mess, but is it worth picking through? Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:FC5D:2927:11BD:DF5 (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) The article is indeed in a dreadful state. I have reverted it to a reasonable stub. Bishonen | tålk 09:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you! And done without consulting the Turkish Parliament. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:FC5D:2927:11BD:DF5 (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi there, could you please restore a copy of this article so that it can be improved as a draft? Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 10:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Why was the page 'Sadaqah Jariyah' deleted, and how can it be restored? It is a crucial page in 'Islam,' providing a neutral explanation of the topic supported by appropriate references. Why was it removed? مستر (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @مستر: It was not deleted, but it was sent to draft space for further improvements. I will suggest you replace blogs with WP:RS. If you don't have it already, here is your link to your draft. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Request for guidance and possibly your action[edit]
Hi liz Let me thank you again for reviving the draft Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani for me. I updated the draft a lot and consulted with experienced editors and some managers.see this: here and here Currently, there are two detailed comments above the draft. I would be very happy and honored if you have time or if you would like to take a look at this draft. Assuming good faith, I'll make it clear that I don't want to take up your valuable time, but I'd greatly appreciate your guidance and possibly your action. —Patricia (Talk) 14:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Patricia Mannerheim: Reviewed. Maliner (talk) 14:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Maliner (I apologize to liz the owner of the page) Sources that appear to be interviews are independently subjected to an unbiased review of the subject's work. They are in English. You definitely didn't feel like reading. I had explained in detail in the comment above the draft. You deleted it. I strongly object to the rejection of the draft. —Patricia (Talk) 15:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aranxa Vega[edit]
You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aranxa Vega even though there were no relists, and two deletes, and one keep. Given most of the discussion was in the 5 hours before you closed it - shouldn't this be a relist? Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Nfitz,
- Done I didn't notice that the two most recently expressed opinions occurred right before my closure. So, I restored the article and relisted the AFD discussion. I will let another administrator close this discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Question about categories marked empty[edit]
I created the "User mns" categories for people who speak the Mansi language per request of another user. The reason the categories might be empty is because I created the pages six hours before you marked them empty. I think this may have been a misunderstanding on my part, and I'm not sure if I was even supposed to create those categories and rather only the ones that were currently in use. Thanks, Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 14:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Urban Versis 32,
- Yes, we have a policy about not retaining empty categories, ones that are not being used, on the project. There are a few exceptions to this policy guideline including category redirects, category disambiguation pages and categories associated with WikiProjects that are empty at some times but might be used in the future. Those WikiProject categories are tagged {{emptycat}} to mark that the categories might be occasionally empty.
- I have seen some User language categories that have the "empty cat" tag on them but please only use it for categories that realistically will be occupied by a User page. Not every level of language proficiency for every obscure language should have its own category page if it's unlikely that we will see new editors coming in with that specific language fluency. So, it's a judgement call and I ask that you not overuse the tag and to be realistic. I hope this helps explain how we handle empty categories on the project. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, I didn't understand this before but now I see how the empty categories work. Thanks again, Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 17:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Babel AutoCreate[edit]
Could you please not post empty category notifications to User talk:Babel AutoCreate? It's an automated bot and doesn't care if a category it creates is now empty. Thanks. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, * Pppery *,
- Of course, you are right, I don't know why I didn't recognize it was a bot. I'll cease notifications but we have gotten two recent floods of empty categories and I doubt we'll have another one in this same subject area. Any way, thanks for bringing this oversight to my attention. Liz Read! Talk! 00:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Liz, any chance you can drafity the page Mahmoud Al Aswad that I believe was deleted per consensus? The player is in a major tournament right now, and I think I found enough coverage to satisfy GNG. Let me know. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- And maybe Mohammed Khalil as well, in case it's the page for a footballer, not if otherwise. Cheers! Ortizesp (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: Any update on this? Hope you're well! Ortizesp (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ortizesp,
- Thanks for coming back, I lose track of my user talk page messages regularly, it's terrible, I know. I can restore Mahmoud Al Aswad to Draft space but you need to submit it to WP:AFC for review and, hopefully, acceptance. If it gets moved right back to main space, it likely will be tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. This is standard practice when restoring articles that have been deleted through AFD and this was an easy Delete decision based on the participation.
- I can't restore Mohammed Khalil as that was created by a sockpuppet. There was only two edits to the article so I assume you can reproduce the content just as easily. Liz Read! Talk! 02:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, no problem Liz I've recreated the above with more references. However, may I request the draft article for Samer Jundi? Same situation as the above, was called up to a major tournament so now has significant coverage. Thanks!--Ortizesp (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: Any update on this? Hope you're well! Ortizesp (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Entries for deleted articles in DOY articles[edit]
Hi Liz, I'm sure you're really busy, but this is just a wee tip ;). When an article is deleted (e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saúl Lara (footballer)), the corresponding entry/ies on the relevant DOY articles should be removed in their entirety, not just have the wiki link removed. You can see the style guide for DOY articles here. Thanks a lot! Kiwipete (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Kiwipete,
- First you are going to have to explain what a "DOY article" is. Liz Read! Talk! 07:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I've been taking a brief break from PRODPATROL but noticed the effects of this deletion in my watchlist. I've requested a refund. I see that you've deleted incoming links to this. If I find a more productive solution to this, we're going to want to undo all that. Non-trivial incoming links are a flag indicating a poor PROD candidate. ~Kvng (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The redirect of List of The Southern Vampire Mysteries characters was literally done yesterday, and I've undone it citing your closing rationale as a reason it needs to at least be looked at before being redirected. Would you mind restoring the subject fictional element as a redirect to the now-unredirected list? Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Delete a page in my domain[edit]
Why did you refuse to delete a page in my personal domain, knowing that it does not contain many links and is more than two years old? مستر (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- User:مستر please review WP:CSD. The page is not eligible for WP:U2, which excludes redirects from page moves. It is not eligible for WP:U1 which does not apply to user talk pages. WP:CSD is only for specific narrowly defined circumstances and none of them cover that page. You may still delete the page by listing it at WP:RFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:7186:1FB7:1CA:90A5 (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is a page within my personal domain and is not included in WP:RFD please delete it. مستر (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- User:مستر The term you are looking for is userspace, and it is within your, now former, userspace, but WP:U1 contains an exception for user talk pages. Please read WP:CSD before tagging any additional pages for deletion, especially WP:U1 and WP:U2. If you still find yourself confused afterword then start a thread at the WP:TEAHOUSE asking for additional explanation with a link back to this discussion, thank you. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:7186:1FB7:1CA:90A5 (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is a page within my personal domain and is not included in WP:RFD please delete it. مستر (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Bahraini poets has been nominated for deletion[edit]
Category:19th-century Bahraini poets has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Bahraini writers has been nominated for deletion[edit]
Category:19th-century Bahraini writers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
You've got mail[edit]
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. at any time by removing the {{Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Vanderwaalforces,
- Thanks for letting me know. I'll check my email account today. Liz Read! Talk! 21:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
G12 of Stoyan Yankoulov[edit]
Please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Stoyan Yankoulov where you were pinged. Jay 💬 13:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Can you restore this? That was a tracking category. Schierbecker (talk) 21:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Schierbecker,
- Done Category:A-Class Weather articles had been blanked and treated as a regular CSD C1 empty category. Empty categories can always be restored if they are needed and this one shouldn't have had the "Empty category" tag removed from it. Glad I could help. Liz Read! Talk! 21:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Is WP:WPWX's consensus to deprecate the A-class rating invalidated as a result of a move to push ratings away from wikiprojects? We had deprecated A-class last year since there wasnt a working, consistent review process for it. Noah, AATalk 22:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: Noah, AATalk 02:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
CFD follow up[edit]
Hi Liz,
I closed that discussion as merge, then I listed it on WT:CFD/W for the bot to take care of. Processing times there are 1-2 days usually as only a few admins process requests there. It would have been merged, eventually. Seawolf35 T--C 22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Seawolf35,
- Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Western Maryland football[edit]
Hello Liz, would you be willing to restore the soft deleted 1893 Western Maryland Green Terror football team to draftspace? You can do the same for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1892 Western Maryland Green Terror football team. I plan on making a combined merger article in accordance with WP:NSEASONS at some point soon and this would assist. Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz if you're slammed and otherwise OK with this, happy to do it for @BeanieFan11 on your behalf. Star Mississippi 14:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Any updates, Liz or @Star Mississippi:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies @BeanieFan11, I forgot about this. I've draftified the one that's closed since it was a soft delete.
- Since the latter was just relisted, I'm not going to close it but if it doesn't close as draft feel free to ping me and I'm happy to provide as it's a sensible outcome Star Mississippi 13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Any updates, Liz or @Star Mississippi:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Unattributed page splits?[edit]
Hi Liz! I wanted to ask you something:
This new article Alexander the Great in Islamic tradition is a copy paste from Theories about Alexander the Great in the Quran#Arabic and Islamic depictions of Alexander the Great. The page creator mentioned splitting it on the talk page of the original article, and I think that makes sense but might need consensus. Is it eligible for a histmerge to make sure its attributed or should something else be done with it? BuySomeApples (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee[edit]
Hi Liz! I was wondering if you would be able to expand on your rationale for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee as no consensus? From where I am standing (though I am biased), it seems like there was fairly clear consensus for deleting the article. I do not see anyone arguing for redirecting or merging the article (contrary to the closing statement), and people advocating to keep the article had WP:ITSUSEFUL or WP:ILIKEIT arguments. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, House,
- I'd be willing to revert my closure and relist the discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 08:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
James Mason (wrestler)[edit]
Hi, you previously closed as deleted a deletion debate for this article due to not enough RS. I have found some more sources for this article and would appreciate it if you could contribute to the follow up discussion at User talk:Sionk#James Mason (wrestler). Thank you. Romomusicfan (talk) 08:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Care to explain this edit? It seems very odd to me. Johnbod (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz,
I am hoping you would comment on or suggest a solution for the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ziad_Sakr as the dialogue between myself and Namexre does not seem to be producing productive results and the length may be preventing others from weighing into the AfD. Any guidance from you would be appreciated. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, KeepItGoingForward,
- I'll look at it over the next day. I might "hat" some parts of the discussion if it doesn't look productive. I was also thinking, you could choose to withdraw this AFD nomination and redo it at a later date. It's hard to predict how many editors are going to come and participate in a deletion discussion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good on the "hat" of some parts of the discussion.
- It appears your relisting the AfD got other editors involved in the AFD nomination process, so I don't believe I need to withdrawal it now. Though, I did not realize one could withdrawal an AFD, unless it is a speedy keep, so what is the process for other reasons? KeepItGoingForward (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- @KeepItGoingForward: You can't withdraw this nomination. Already, three different editors voted delete there. So withdrawing this nomination will be a bad idea, at least in this case. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that it does not need to be withdrawn, but I am still curious what the process would have been before editors commented on it. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- @KeepItGoingForward: Please see your talk page. I have replied there. Maliner (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that it does not need to be withdrawn, but I am still curious what the process would have been before editors commented on it. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- @KeepItGoingForward: You can't withdraw this nomination. Already, three different editors voted delete there. So withdrawing this nomination will be a bad idea, at least in this case. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Deleted articles[edit]
Why do you only remove the link for a deleted article, e.g. Athos Careghi? If they're not notable, then they don't belong in name lists. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Clarityfiend,
- The answer is more complicated than you might realize. When an admin deletes an article through an AFD discussion, XFDCloser removes links and sometimes the entire mention of the deleted article subject. It's possible to go mention by mention through a list and make individual choices. But admins don't actually go to each article where there is a mention, we are working through the editing tools that were developed to do acts like close deletion discussions and this is how XFDCloser works.
- If however, the article was deleted through Proposed deletion or tagged for a CSD criteria, most often Twinkle is used for those deletion. With Twinkle, there is an option to remove red links but not the mentions of the article subject. When I was a new administrator, I was told that I was always supposed to remove red links for deleted articles but it's that's not policy, it's just a practice I was told to do. But other admins do not use the option to remove red links. Or they use the Drop Down menu to select Page>Delete and fill in the reason for deletion and delete a page that way. This old-fashioned method doesn't do anything with broken red links or mentions unless the admin chooses to take the time to see "What links here" but I don't know how often that is done with admins who handle a lot of page deletions.
- So, that's the backside of deleting a page. And when your workload invoves deleting dozens or even hundreds of pages each day, it becomes more and more unfeasible to visit each article that has a mention of a deleted article subject. The only realistic change I can imagine is asking do we leave the red links and mentions, or do we remove the red links? Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, understood. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Clarityfiend,
- I think the situation might be different and we would be handling things the old-fashioned way if we had more admins each helping out a little bit in deletions instead of a smaller number of admins who handle the bulk of them. But given the smaller number of active admins and the tendency of many of us to specialize in certain areas, this is the system that has evolved. I don't think it is optimal but I guess we need to persuade newly minted admins to help out with tasks in the deletion areas, too. Liz Read! Talk! 02:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hope you don't mind my .02 here @Liz. @Clarityfiend in addition to what Liz says, I don't think the issue is super settled among the community. As you can see at User_talk:Liz#Deleting_info_from_lists, @FkpCascais sees it differently than you do re: retention. I don't think there's an easy/clear way to act on these. When I close an AfD I try to judge whether it makes sense to retain, but if it's not a subject area I know it's a toss up Star Mississippi 14:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- My logic is that if you make a list about "People who climbed Everest" you may not find every single entry valid for having an article, but if you make a list, you certainly must include them all, weather deserving a wikipedia article, or not. See my point? This player may not deserve an article by himself, but he played in the mentioned league so he should not be erased from the list. He must be listed, without link then, rather than missinforming reasers ignoring him and not listing him at all. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm talking about given name lists. We don't include just any Athos, only the notable ones. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- No we dont. If the list says "All X people who menaged X" we DO NOT include only the ones with wiki article. We include them all that fit the inclusion criterium and link the ones having articles and leave unlinked the ones that dont. This is not about Wikipedia articles list, this is an online encyclopedia that provides complete information. FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm talking about given name lists. We don't include just any Athos, only the notable ones. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- My logic is that if you make a list about "People who climbed Everest" you may not find every single entry valid for having an article, but if you make a list, you certainly must include them all, weather deserving a wikipedia article, or not. See my point? This player may not deserve an article by himself, but he played in the mentioned league so he should not be erased from the list. He must be listed, without link then, rather than missinforming reasers ignoring him and not listing him at all. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- About to step offline for a few hours but just pointing a pointer here back to the discussion on my Talk. Not sure Liz wants us camped out here, but I'm not sure the best noticeboard for this conversation either. It should be somewhere central as I imagine far more than each of you disagree on what we do/don't do. Star Mississippi 19:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, understood. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Unlinking is optimal, imo. Redlinks are for subjects that deserve an article. The fact that it just got deleted shows that's not the case just then, so it needs to be unlinked. Whether to remove entirely is an editorial decision (either could be correct depending on the inclusion criteria being used) that an admin need not get involved in while performing an administrative task. Or you may get yourself involved in hundreds or thousands of content disputes in topics you don't even care about and couldn't possibly handle. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Any idea where this conversation would be most productive? Not sure if it's VP material but feels like it needs more eyes. Star Mississippi 02:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi, the deletion instructions for AFD come from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions. Analogous instructions are also at WP:CSD and WP:PROD, both of which happen to be policy, making those instructions policy also. AFD instructions page does not have a PAG status. However, I am confident that despite their policy status, CSD and PROD pages inherit those instructions simply from WP:Deletion process which has guideline status. It also happens to have a decent number of watchers. As such, the first discussions should probably be had there. Discussions would only make sense if anybody disagrees with the policies and instructions as they are, or thinks them unclear. Since it would affect established deletion processes, multiple policy pages and presumably multiple automated tools, any change would require a WP:CENT RFC. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Usedtobecool
- I've opened a discussion here Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_process#Unlinking_list_items_in_AfD_closures Star Mississippi 15:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi, the deletion instructions for AFD come from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions. Analogous instructions are also at WP:CSD and WP:PROD, both of which happen to be policy, making those instructions policy also. AFD instructions page does not have a PAG status. However, I am confident that despite their policy status, CSD and PROD pages inherit those instructions simply from WP:Deletion process which has guideline status. It also happens to have a decent number of watchers. As such, the first discussions should probably be had there. Discussions would only make sense if anybody disagrees with the policies and instructions as they are, or thinks them unclear. Since it would affect established deletion processes, multiple policy pages and presumably multiple automated tools, any change would require a WP:CENT RFC. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Any idea where this conversation would be most productive? Not sure if it's VP material but feels like it needs more eyes. Star Mississippi 02:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Re: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mass media in Buftea[edit]
Hi Liz - you wrote: A tag has been placed....
I get these messages from you about the Mass Media by town categories every couple of weeks, it seems. It looks like someone has been going through them and systematically emptying them. I've no problem with them being deleted - I've been here long enough to know which battles are worth fighting and which aren't - but I'd like to know who has emptied them all and why. At the time I made them, they each had a minimum of six articles. Grutness...wha? 02:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Grutness,
- Well, in this case, Drmies removed the solitary content of this category which then caused it to become empty. We have a script you can use to see any recent additions or removals from a category but it only goes back about a week or about 20-25 items. As for a concerted effort to empty categories on a particular subject, that actually happens, usually on a small level (like emptying a category that only hold one article) but I think anything of the scale you're thinking about would probably go through a CFD discussion. I doubt that Drmies had anything to do with the other categories that were deleted as empty categories. But you can either install the script yourself so you can see who is emptying these categories or you can bring them to me and I can see if there are any editors are trying to eliminate "Mass Media" categories. Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Need Guidance on Handling a Sensitive AfC Submission[edit]
I am writing to seek your advice on a delicate matter I encountered in my role as an AfC reviewer. Recently, I reviewed a submission that was deeply personal and concerning. The submitter, apparently a teenager, expressed feelings of distress and thoughts of self-harm. This submission, while heartfelt, clearly does not meet Wikipedia’s content guidelines as it is a personal essay and not encyclopedic material. - [[4]]
Given the sensitive nature of the content, I am unsure about the best course of action. While the submission should not be accepted(I mean kept even as a draft and I don't know if it qualifies for CSD) on Wikipedia, I am concerned about the well-being of the individual. I understand that Wikipedia is not a platform for personal support, but I feel a responsibility to handle this situation with care and sensitivity. QuantumRealm (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 05:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, QuantumRealm,
- It looks like Primefac has already responded to this situation. I could only recommend that you report cases like this to Trust and Safety, I'll look for the link. Liz Read! Talk! 06:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Trust and Safety page explains how to handle threats of self-harm. You might also post a Welcome message on their User talk page in addition to the deletion notice. Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Liz! QuantumRealm (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 07:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Trust and Safety page explains how to handle threats of self-harm. You might also post a Welcome message on their User talk page in addition to the deletion notice. Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I have already created the article Antony Natsoulas. I probably made a mistake when moving it. Can you help me briefly? Doc.Heintz (talk) 08:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Removal of CSD tag from MSA F.C. Kukar[edit]
Hi, wanted to ask why you removed the G5 tag? It's noted here
The user moved the page from MSA F.C. to MSA F.C. Kukar. Thanks. TLA (talk) 08:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Guidance on Moving Draft:Vxtreme to Main Space[edit]
I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to seek your advice and guidance regarding the draft article on Vxtreme. As I am still learning the intricacies of Wikipedia editing and the process of moving drafts to the main space, I would greatly appreciate your expertise in this area.
I noticed that you have been involved in the discussion page of the Vxtreme draft, and your insights were invaluable. I am keen to understand what steps are necessary to ensure that the draft meets Wikipedia's standards and can be successfully moved out of draft mode. Specifically, I am looking for advice on aspects such as sourcing, neutrality, and any other key elements that are essential for the draft to be considered ready for the main encyclopedia.
As an enthusiast eager to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, I am committed to learning and adhering to the best practices of Wikipedia editing. Your guidance on how to improve the Vxtreme draft and what criteria it needs to meet for moving it to the main space would be of great help.
Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to any advice or suggestions you might have.
Nilslahr (talk) 17:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee[edit]
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, HouseBlaster,
- Thanks for letting me know. I'm not sure how I made such a mistake in an AFD closure. I'm sure it will be overturned. Liz Read! Talk! 02:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done
- Forgot to ping you in the close @HouseBlaster but assume you were watching anyway. Star Mississippi 02:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's so embarrassing when this happens, Star Mississippi. But considering the hundreds of main space, Draft space, project space and User space, pages I look at every day (between CSDs, PRODs and AFDs), it's almost inevitable that there will be mistakes. I have to do what I tell new editors: "Slow down!". Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- We're all human. And we're not paid unlike NFL refs who seem to take pride in blown calls (Says she, watching NFL playoffs!). You said oops, we saved seven days of bureaucracy and got the right outcome, which is what we all want. I just bombed an AfD nom entirely that I could only explain as "do I know how to read google?". Close and no harm no foul. Don't stress it. Star Mississippi 02:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's so embarrassing when this happens, Star Mississippi. But considering the hundreds of main space, Draft space, project space and User space, pages I look at every day (between CSDs, PRODs and AFDs), it's almost inevitable that there will be mistakes. I have to do what I tell new editors: "Slow down!". Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Reverting my edits on categories[edit]
Hi Liz,
I see you are undoing the edits where I removed the merge tags from categories. Sorry about that, it is fine that you are reverting them. v/r - Seawolf35 T--C 18:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Nuvolo (Software Company)[edit]
Hi Liz!
I saw your message on my talk page about Nuvolo. I probably shouldn't have moved it back to mainspace, but they only moved it back to draftspace after I AfDed it. They originally moved it to mainspace themselves because it kept getting rejected at AfC (once by me, and also 3 other reviewers). Obviously page creators are allowed to not go through AfC so that's fine. If a page creator moves a page back to draftspace during an AfD, should I close the AfD as draftified or withdraw the nom since it's no longer relevant? BuySomeApples (talk) 04:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Technically, it's still not too late for me to close the AfD if they want to move it back to drafts instead. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
New message from Maliner[edit]
Message added 05:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Maliner (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Personal attck[edit]
You threatened me on my own talk page with this message: "This behavior, coming from a less experienced editor, makes me think that a block is called for."
Just because I am a less experienced editor doesn't mean I am wrong. Also, this is a WP:THREATEN attack. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, DementiaGaming,
- I don't consider that an "attack", it was a warning that your behavior needed some improvement. Your user talk page is FULL of editors who take issue with your editing and have reverted your edits. You even received a block recently so it's not like I'm alone in noticing your "hostile" behavior as another editor put it. You even complained last month about editors threatening you so you seem to see threats on the part of others but not bad behavior when it comes from you.
- If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia, the Teahouse is a place that is decidedly non-threatening. Liz Read! Talk! 03:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Question[edit]
Hello,
I noticed you were online and wanted to ask you what I should do about legal threats?
Courtesy link: Talk:Latin Crown (Heraldry)
Thanks Geardona (talk to me?) 23:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Gone, page deleted. Forgot to get permalink, Sorry! Geardona (talk to me?) 23:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Geardona,
- I saw the page before it was deleted and have asked the admin who deleted the article and talk page if further action should be taken. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- @CactusWriter was more lenient than I, I was hovering over an indef the last recreation of this even before the legal threat. What a mess. Star Mississippi 03:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! I actually was there as well to suggest salting! Geardona (talk to me?) 23:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, @JBW has INDEFfed which unfortunately seemed unavoidable. Star Mississippi 03:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
CSD C1[edit]
Hey Liz! Hope you're doing well, and thank you again for everything. I'm popping by because I wasn't expecting to be hit with ten C1 notices for categories I just created? Apparently per WP:C1 it's only for categories unpopulated after 7 days of emptiness. I just wanted to ask and make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, or if the cats were otherwise grouped in during maintenance, or etc. It's no worries either way, all of these cats came about from fulfilling AFC/R requests, and I didn't realize it'd take more than 30 minutes to populate them... 🫠 Ah well, quite a bit to get through. Thanks again, Utopes (talk / cont) 03:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Utopes,
- Sorry about that. Several times I day, I run a query to find empty categories and then I tag them CSD C1. I didn't really notice when they were created, all I knew is that they became empty since I last ran the query a few hours ago. If you expect them to not be empty, please revert all of my talk page notices and I'll untag the categories as they no longer are empty. Usually when we have a lot of suddenly empty categories, it's because some articles, categories or templates have been deleted in AFD/CFD/TFD discussions. But it happens all of the time so that didn't seem unusual to me.
- I apologize if I overwhelmed your User talk page. It's just a coincidence that you created a whole bunch of categories right before I ran the empty category query and they all got listed. Just undo my notifications or I can take care of that step. Liz Read! Talk! 03:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- You do know, I hope, that empty categories are tagged for 7 days so there is no urgency to fill them. This form of deletion is really not "speedy". Liz Read! Talk! 04:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)All good, I was just startled a bit haha. Starting going double-time to fill in the cats because I wasn't sure whether they'd be gone by the hour 😅. I've removed the tags and notifs now that the cats are populated, but I appreciate the offer; I think everything seems to be in order :) Cheers, Utopes (talk / cont) 04:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Utopes,
- No, no, both PRODs and CSD C1 empty categories are tagged for 7 days just in case things like this happen. Many categories are only temporarily empty and then the tag is removed. We really shouldn't even call it "speedy" deletion. Really, don't feel any pressure, nothing is going to happen for a week and I'm sure they won't be empty that long. Liz Read! Talk! 04:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
paid user[edit]
Hey Liz, I wanted to state that I know this user NamanNomad (is a paid one) and you guesses when asked about managing the conflict of interests. Here I grabbed some evidence: User talk:Callanecc. Just FYI 89.151.38.106 (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Books & Bytes – Issue 60[edit]
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A barnstar for you![edit]
The Admin's Barnstar | |
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Help[edit]
Can you help me for this? I believe the topic is fairly notable, and supporting reliable sources have not emerged during the discussion, what should I do in this case? Surə 🗯 14:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 January 26. —Cryptic 14:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Attention: Help please Liz G Cleary re: Dalai lama wikki page.[edit]
hi Liz maybe, you're just the right person:
Dear FMPT member. Please read understand this important message. If I can be of any further assistance, please e-mail. 250124. if you type Dalai Lama age 23 -in search engine Bing MS 10/11. The page that appears is, a different page to the page you open if, you type Dalai lama age (prompt/link - popup window - Dalai lama age. 23) if you click prompt you get: https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Dalai_Lama The 1st listing too appear - wiki. Dalai Lama. Has a bi-op paragraph that reads: A February 2023 video shows the Dalai Lama in the city of Dharamshala, India, asking a boy for a kiss on the lips, and then to suck his tongue…. (sic.) 250124 As not using the link/prompt takes you to normal page -no probs. Though factual, this Wikki post is malicious and, intended to be derogatory. The level of subterfuge involved has me concerned. As a practitioner I was grossly offended and still am. Further research: MS 11 Bing search: Dalia lama (prompt) 23 – prompt/ link - once again brings you through to this page. Google chrome is clean – go figure. Please comrade, we owe his HH a great debt and the dissemination of such obvious and offensive Hasbara I find concerning. With a wish that FMPT will act promptly to address this issue please. Sincerely. Graham RA Cleary. gclearyoutlookcom Melbourne. Aus.
if as much thanks. Very kind. G Gracleary3549 (talk) 17:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Wikipedia has no control over how search engines present content. The content is correctly sourced, so is unlikely to be removed from the article by Wikipedia users. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Rapid tagging of new categories[edit]
Hi Liz - I notice that you have recently tagged around a hundred pages for speedy deletion. As you may be aware, the new Category page recently had a lengthy backlog (I think it was around 300-400, which took several weeks to clear). Tagging a category for speedy deletion within an hour of it being created isn't helpful - by definition there are at least 3 pages that can be added to the category, per the nomination. it could also be that the person nominating the category was away from Wikipedia for a few days, and it would be easy for them to come back and miss the whole thing, so that it's already deleted before they can start work. Please could you consider waiting a while longer before doing this in the future. 92.71.60.62 (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
You've Got Mail! Request for Revision Deletion[edit]
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Mergers, Acquisitions & Divestitures (talk) 18:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Liz. I just wanted to follow up on this. Mergers, Acquisitions & Divestitures (talk) 13:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of page[edit]
I don't understand why the article on Robert B. Martin was deleted. You all do not make things easy to look into. I have been editing it but now it is gone. Please help! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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I really don't understand how to contact you but can you please explain why the article on Robert B Martin Jr casting director was deleted by you? I've edited it a few times and all of the citations were correct. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, SouthernDude67,
- Please give me a link to the page that was deleted that you are talking about. Liz Read! Talk! 09:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- hi Liz,
- I'm not sure what you mean. You deleted it on 1/24 I think. I thought I included the time stamp but doesn't look like I did. I think it was around 22:50 on that date. I'm looking for for the notification I got so maybe I can copy and paste it. It sure is difficult to try to do anything on here! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, SouthernDude67,
- What I mean is give me a link to the deleted article. Like this [[Deleted article]]. Once I can get to the page, I can see who deleted it and why. I delete many pages every day, I don't want to scroll through hundreds of pages in my log pages to look for a page that was deleted at a specific time. You must know the name of the page if you are concerned about this. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- I gave the name of the page, Robert B. Martin Jr. I'm not sure how to find a link to something that isn't there. I was going to make some edits again and it was gone. It's also not easy to navigate or find information. I'm going am still looking for the date I saw that it was deleted. But, I also resubmitted for review on Friday. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, my, this is not that complicated! Given what you said, I looked at Robert B. Martin Jr. page (this is what I was asking for) but it is a redirect to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I don't see a deleted page, just a deleted redirect. The only content I see is at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I see no deleted article. If you can give me a link to a deleted article with some version of this name, you can provide it here. Liz Read! Talk! 01:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Robert b Martin Jris that what you mean?? SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Well, yes, that is what I mean. But that is a broken link to a nonexistent page. Go to Robert b Martin Jr and there is no page there so there was never an article here. Go to Robert B. Martin Jr. and you can see in the pink deletion tag that there was an article here that was moved to Draft space and the main space page was deleted. I just realize though that maybe you are seeing this site on a mobile device and you may not be able to see all of this! Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Liz,
- I'm on a computer. I am a novice at this. I can't find the entire thread I saw on Friday that led me to you, but I see this:
- 19:20, 25 January 2024 Rosguill talk contribs moved page Robert B. Martin Jr. to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr. without leaving a redirect (Likely COI, resubmit through AfC Reason/s: possible COI) (revert) Tag: moveToDraft (thank).
- I didn't move the page looks like someone else did. I'm not sure why it was tagged COI. A few months ago when it was approved, it was linked to another Robert B Martin ("Robert B. Martin" redirects here. For the American director, see Robert B. Martin (casting director). I sent a request to remove it from that guy so maybe that is what caused the problem? Really sorry if that was the reason. I didn't think it needed a redirect since the names were a different. I thought putting in Robert B. Martin Jr would go to him but it was going to that guy. SouthernDude67 (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it comes down to this. I didn't delete any article with this title that I can see. No content has been deleted, you can find it at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. The next step is to work on the draft, submit it to Articles for Creation when you think it is "ready" and, if you have a Conflict-of-interest, you need to declare it on your User page. It's better to be honest about this, it's not bad to have a COI if you disclose it but being a "undisclosed paid editor" can result in an indefinite block.
- Now, if you have questions about working on this draft, I encourage you to visit the Teahouse and work with the helpful editors there and AFC has a Help Desk as well where you can get answers about getting a draft review. Liz Read! Talk! 02:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- OK thank you for the info. I couldn't find the "trail" that led me to you specifically but it was somewhere so perhaps it wasn't a deletion I saw. There were a lot of entries on it. I just assumed I was qualified to edit a lengthier article because I edited several others per the instructions on how to do that. I feared maybe that was the reason. Thanks again! SouthernDude67 (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, yes, that is what I mean. But that is a broken link to a nonexistent page. Go to Robert b Martin Jr and there is no page there so there was never an article here. Go to Robert B. Martin Jr. and you can see in the pink deletion tag that there was an article here that was moved to Draft space and the main space page was deleted. I just realize though that maybe you are seeing this site on a mobile device and you may not be able to see all of this! Liz Read! Talk! 01:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
You may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 09:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Cahk,
- Done Sorry you were being badgered by them. Liz Read! Talk! 09:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Charlie Allan[edit]
Hi Liz, with Charlie Allan (musician) and Charlie Allan (journalist) deleted and the former removed from the Charlie Allan disambiguation page, if the latter is also removed from the page, it no longer has a dab function. As the primary/only topic for the title, would the appropriate course be to replace the text of Charlie Allan with that at Charlie Allan (farmer) and turn the latter into a redirect, or some other course? Would that be a contentious move without discussion? Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Restoring newly-deleted Category for re-listing at CFD?[edit]
Hi Liz - Could you possibly restore Category:Native American people from the San Francisco Bay Area, which you just deleted a few hours ago, so it can be re-listed at CFD? The reason I'm making this request at all is because I asked the Closing editor (User:Qwerfjkl), a couple of days ago to please re-list the CFD - which had no actual discussion - before it got listed for merging at WP:CFDW. I was dearly hoping to avoid having to go thru Deletion Review.
User:Qwerfjkl was good enough to tell me, "There is no rush; the category can always be restored. I am happy to reopen the discussion if you give a reason why it should be kept." I unfortunately construed that to mean that he/she would hold off putting it into the queue for merging long enough for me to put together a halfway decent explanation/rationale for keeping it. (Which took me longer than expected due to some urgent family issues I needed to attend to.)
Anyhow, I was literally about to share with User:Qwerfjkl the explanatory info that I've put together, when I discovered that, alas! - the category had already/just been deleted. <shakes head in dismay> Is there any way you can reverse this, given the circumstances - or do I have no choice but to go thru the whole bothersome process at Deletion Review?? Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi again, Liz - I suspect you already know that User:Qwerfjkl went ahead and re-listed the category for further discussion. But I thought I should leave you a note, just in case... Best, Anomalous+0 (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
New message from Shearonink[edit]
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elizabeth Van Lew § Recent additions of this article to Category:Crime and Punishment in Richmond, Virginia. Shearonink (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
User recreating non-notable page from draft[edit]
Hi there, Liz. The user Rohitlaxman keeps recreating the page Alva's Education Foundation even after I moved it to a new title Draft:Alva's Education Foundation. In my opinion, it's technically considered a WP:CUTANDPASTE since they decided to create a whole new page on the mainspace. Could you please review the page and delete it? I have tagged it with CSD G6 for this. Thank you. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, Deb already did it. Anyways, I'm glad I got the chance to ask you. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 19:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Redirection[edit]
Hi @Liz
Hello, I hope you are doing well. I would like to bring to your attention that I intended for a technical deletion rather than a redirection. To revert the title from 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Railway' to 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line,' a move request was required. If possible, could you please remove the redirection and retain only 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line'? Thank you. Regards. Riad Salih (talk) 05:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 31 January 2024[edit]
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Could you please take a look at the editing history of this article which you deleted Apr 2023 as an abandoned draft?
It was moved from mainspace without any discussion, IIRC, so there's no trail to follow. I'd like to know the username who moved it, again IIRC, a UK-based editor, and also please check the talk page in case I'm not recalling accurately.
A redirect was created some time later (17 May 2023) linking to her husband's bio page Darren Henry. Thanks. 82.13.47.210 (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 82.13.47.210,
- Okay, here's the abbreviated article page history. The draft article was first created in 2018, moved to main space and deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Henry. There was a discussion about a redirect that was deleted via Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 16#Caroline Henry. The last version of an article was created on May 8, 2021 by User:D.j.atherton. It was moved from main space to Draft space on September 18, 2021 by User:Scope creep with the edit summary
Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace. Effectively unsourced for a BLP
. The last edit to the draft was on October 24, 2022 by User:Moondragon21 and I deleted this abandoned draft six months later on April 24, 2023 which is speedy deletion policy (CSD G13). I have no idea where any of these editors are based. You can make guesses based on the userboxes they display but many times those are out-of-date or reflect an editing interest and not the places where editors live. - But since this article was deleted as a CSD G13, you can go to WP:REFUND and request that it be restored. If it is, you should submit it to Articles for Creation for review and not simply move it to main space as it can otherwise be deleted, CSD G4, as an article recreated that was deleted through AFD. The AFC review will help guide you on how to avoid this outcome. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks - a bit more involved than I remembered! There is quite an important developing news story in England, and Caroline Henry's involvement (as a publicly-elected official) is just the latest development, so I'll keep an eye on it. There is a mention within an article, you can see it at University of Nottingham#June 2023 stabbings. regards, 82.13.47.210 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
User:Padd13ear[edit]
Hi. I am not sure if this is the correct way to respond or not. On 1 November 2023 you edited my talk page and accused me of using multiple accounts. I am not intentionally doing that, but it appears there are two accounts, Padd13ear and Padd13ear (usurped), the latter of which was renamed from a former name. It seems I have unintentionally made some edits from one account and some from the other. I'm not sure how that has happened. Obviously, when I log in I give "Padd13ear" as my user name and not "Padd13ear (usurped)". Is there any way to merge the two accounts? Because that would be more satisfactory for all concerned. Sorry if I have unintentionally violated some policy, but I am doing my best.
User:What is this username?[edit]
This user, who you warned for vandalism, is clearly WP:NOTHERE. See also their PA here: User talk:What is this username?/Editnotice. A mix between subtle and blatant vandalism while playing the victim. Polyamorph (talk) 11:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) I haven't fully assessed the situation, but I've deleted the aforementioned edit notice as an attack page. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 11:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) I've indef'd them. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Unnecessary Blocking[edit]
Hey there Liz, Hope you're doing great. Lately, I've noticed there are some administrators who are cracking down against editors working for Pakistani television series and films. They are assuming every other editor to be a sock of User:Nauman335 which I feel is quite unfair. Just because certain editors are interested in the similar articles that doesn't makes them sock. There should be clear investigation of the matter as they have blocked multiple users just on the basis of suspect. Kindly look into the matter as I'm concerned about the future edits I'll contribute cause eventually they'll be removed. My account has been blocked too the same way. Please look into this, I'll be grateful to you. Thanks ! 182.182.55.176 (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 182.182.55.176,
- Do you have more than one account that has been blocked? If so, then you ARE a sockpuppet. Maybe not of Nauman335 but you are committing block evasion. Be honest and accept that you are responsible for that. In that case, stop editing and take advantage of the Standard Offer.
- If you only have one registered account that is blocked, then please make an unblock request on that account's user talk page. First, read Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks which will tell you what is expected and what a reviewing administrator wants to hear and see from you. But it doesn't help if you are editing logged out. If you have lost talk page access, then try Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 19:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Request Undeletion of Saticöy (Musical Artist)[edit]
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Hi Liz! I would like to request the undeletion of Draft:Saticöy as I think I can add more to the article now. Let me know if you need any more information, sorry to be a novice at this! Hoosierdaddyblue (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Hoosierdaddyblue,
- Done Draft:Saticöy is restored. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
CSD G6[edit]
Hello Liz! Thanks for reaching out to me last week or so about the concern with some of the CSD nominations of pages with incorrect parentheses. I responded a couple hours later at User talk:Utopes#WP:RFD; I'm not sure if you saw this, it's alright if not, but I was in full agreement with you re: the notion that "G6" should not be used as a "catch-all" criteria. To re-emphasize, I am completely with you that using G6 as a deletion-bypass / "just-delete-this-error button" can be a dangerous practice if due diligence is not maintained.
That all being said, I could very well be misinterpreting / poorly explaining this criterion, so hopefully you can help me out to see where things are going astray 😅. I talked about the exact wording of the G6 error message I've used for tagging, but what I was specifically looking at, from Template:db-error, is: "This may meet [the CSD criteria]... as a redirect left over from moving a page that was obviously created at the wrong title". For all of the pages I've put up for CSD in this batch (link), these have specifically been redirects that were created by way of page moves from obviously incorrect titles, moved at the same time as creation, and if the page existed at the title for ANY significant period longer than a day or so, I would nominate it for RfD (alongside the rest of the 50 bundled throughout the last few hours).
Thanks again for the heads-up and alerts about a potential awry situation. It's my absolute goal to ensure that the proper venues are used where appropriate, and wanted to ask about these. At the end of the day, it would have technically been a lot easier for me to mass-nominate at the RfD venue (and I would've been able to finish tonight 🫠), but instead I was thoroughly vetting out four different possibilities for every single redirect, which took me 2+ hours to put together the RfD in question. I've been checking for alternatives to deletion via movement at every juncture, been looking into the page histories and checking to see if G6 or G7 were applicable (many were, to my understanding. and tagged as such), confirming that links aren't breaking, that there's no valuable history (if there was history, I would forgo RfD entirely), and if it was a brand new page-creation at the title, I would nominate for RfD due to it being an intentional creation and NOT an error, meaning G6 wouldn't apply.
I thoroughly appreciate your time and energy for answering 🙏. Perhaps there is a silver lining as it'll simplify my workflow, (as I used to have RfD be a one-stop-shop for disambiguation-error cases like these) but I wanted to get your feedback on this (as well as my response to yours on my talk page) as it would have maybe saved a bit of time, haha. Happy editing! Utopes (talk / cont) 07:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hey Liz! Just as a heads up to this: after deletions such as 2-aminobenzenesulfonate,NADH:oxygen oxidoreductase (2,3-hydroxylating, ammonia-forming which also differed in parentheses, among the other CSDs from User:Utopes/CSD log in February 2024, I undid the February removal of the CSD notice, as I still feel that title applies under G6, rendering an RfD discussion not needed. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Question[edit]
I noticed your warning happened around the same I blocked at (User talk:GamrOnDrgs). Do you think I made that call too soon? If I did, feel free to reverse the block. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Clovermoss,
- Yes, I noticed that they happened at the same moment. I tend to be slow to block editors or, at least, start out with short blocks unless there is just a rampage of vandalism going on. I know many administrators are quicker to block than I am. I'm not going to judge your actions in this case.
- But I meant to say "Hello" on your User talk page. I don't think I've run into you on my routine of work tasks on the project. You've been here much longer than I do so I probably have some things I could learn from you. Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 05:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've mostly stayed out of blocking people so far apart from a bunch of spam/promotional editing (I'm very new to the whole admin thing). I think it's worth considering that this specific case might have been a bit different as it wasn't quite as blatant as a lot of the stuff I was seeing in the CSD queue, it could have been a kid that was just obsessed about their favourite Minecraft channels. Maybe a bit more of a cautious approach would've been warranted, y'know? My concern was just the sheer scale and how they weren't slowing down, and there was another editor before you that tried to give similar advice. But I'm always willing to listen to other viewpoints. :)
- As for time on the project... I think you have me mixed up with someone else? You've definitely been here for way longer than I have. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, can you help stanch the flow here? Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63,
- I protected this article for 3 days. Unfortunately, this prevents you from editing as well. But maybe a cool-off period will stop the edit-warring. Liz Read! Talk! 05:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Terrific. I've no interest there other than stopping vandalism of the subject's name. All coming from Bangkok IPs, so it had the look of a sock nest. Thank you. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Sock[edit]
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tochi Clement/Archive, Another sock account created, see: User:Justinbenji created Draft:Kourage Beatz NSI again. Adambenji (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Adambenji,
- Can you file a new case at the SPI page? Or it might be helpful to contact a checkuser who might respond more quickly. I'll try to keep an eye on things when I get done with what I'm working on. Liz Read! Talk! 06:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Liz
- Sock issue has been resolved by Lectonar who allowed me to work on Draft:Kourage Beatz NSI here User_talk:Lectonar#Request_From_Justinbenji_(9:12,_27_January_2024) J U S T I N B E N J I (talk). 07:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz I have filed a report at SPI page. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justinbenji
- Adambenji (talk) 11:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, can you restore Delia Gonzalez and Gavin Russom but put it into draftspace? I am very certain the article meets notability requirements. Thriley (talk) 20:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Thriley,
- How are you doing these days? Done you can find it at Draft:Delia Gonzalez and Gavin Russom. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Approval queue procedure?[edit]
Hi Liz - You were so kind to help me figure out why I wasn't able to resubmit my Draft for review after further editing. I'm confident I have resolved all of the issues and properly cited sources and the subject does definitely meet the notability requirements. Thanks to you I was able to then re-submit my draft for review and when I did a few weeks ago it said it was taking 4 weeks because there were a number of submissions requiring review. Last week I checked again and it said 5 weeks. And now it says 6 weeks. But the number of submissions for review has barely changed? My question is, do the drafts get reviewed in the order that they were submitted? And every time I add/change a minor thing it gets bumped to the bottom? Or is it random selection for review and the time could just become longer and longer? Thanks for clarifying! Laynerosen (talk) 04:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Laynerosen,
- I assume you're discussing Draft:Romy Fay? I added a category to it that might attract reviewers who work on music articles. That might bring some attention. Unfortunately, there is no way to prompt your draft to the top of any pile because editing is a voluntary action and AFC reviewers pick among drafts they want to review. What interests one reviewer will not be interesting to other reviewers. Any most reviewers will not review drafts upon request.
- I have noticed that really bad drafts get reviewed and declined quickly because they are easy to spot and rule on. When a draft has a lot of references that have to be checked, it can take time for a reviewer to get around to it because it will be more time-consuming. But I can say that statement and then come across an AFC reviewer who dives into those drafts. I do know we have a shortage of reviewers which is part of the reason for the long delays. And the fact that your draft has been declined several times already might discourage a reviewer from plunging in.
- I don't mean these observations to discourage you. You just need to have some patience. The only action I can think of is to approach past AFC reviewers and DON'T ASK FOR THEM TO REVIEW your draft, just ask if your editing has resolved the problems they saw in their earlier review. They are likely to decline to review it again but they might be able to look it over and offer some helpful advice on whether you have addressed problems they saw. Sorry not to have a "magic pill" that can put your draft at the front of the line but we are all independent editors and to be honest, that line doesn't exist. There are just several dozens of AFC reviewers trying to help when and where they can. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 04:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Per your request at ICTF[edit]
@Liz. I replied to your request at WT:ICTF#Request about users adding themselves to film casts. I am unsure if you have pings enabled, so wanted to drop you a note here to refer you to my reply. Thank you. — Archer1234 (t·c) 05:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Archer1234,
- Thanks for letting me know, I don't watch my pings. I've responded there. I appreciate you taking time to comment. Liz Read! Talk! 06:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Question[edit]
Hello Liz,
What are your thoughts on a relatively new user redirecting tons of old articles without discussion? I reverted some of them but there is only so much time in the day. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirection is prefered over deletion, so i chose to redurect these articles where I beleived it would be uncontroversial. Did you look at the reasons i cited for redirerction l? It would be interesting to hear your rebuttals. Anyways, as part of the unreferenced articles backdrive, I've cited far more articles then redirected, so your framing of the situation is deceptive. I won't try to change any of your reversion but since you believe the articles deserve to be on their own, you could at least help the drive and look for sources. Tooncool64 (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to redirect them again, I'm not going to stop you, but I'm not sure one person should be the judge, jury, and executioner on these 15+ year old articles. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, WikiOriginal-9,
- First, although Tooncool64 has recently become more active, they are not a brand new editor (if you are talking about what happened with This Is Pop Music). One of my regular tasks is tagging and deleting empty categories and many of them become empty when articles are converted into redirects and the categories are removed. This is despite the fact that redirects can have categories but typically the whole page is blanked. But it happens fairly regularly, especially by a few active editors. The action is called BLARring and you can find some information about the practice on that policy page.
- I don't know any specific guideline against making this change but I do know that if BLARring is challenged by another editor, it should be reverted. Aside from becoming familiar with a few of the editors who regularly BLAR articles, I don't know of a way to track when this happens. My only other observation is that frequently, BLARring is done in response to a Proposed deletion tagging, editors who review PRODs find BLARring is preferable to article deletion, as Tooncool64 mentioned.
- The good thing about BLARring is that it can easily be undone. Deletion can be undone, too, under certain circumstances, but you need to go to WP:REFUND or ask an admin for help. So, in one sense, it is better to convert an article to a redirect, at least until more sources can be found, rather than tagged for speedy deletion. All I can advise is to keep tabs on your Watchlist so you are aware when this happens to articles you are "following". I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 05:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 7 § Category:Establishments in Danish India by year[edit]
A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 7 § Category:Establishments in Danish India by year on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks[edit]
Hey, just a little messgae to than you very much for handling the PRODs I opened last week. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Wikaviani,
- To be honest, I was uncertain about some of these PRODs. Not including page numbers in a reference is not a valid rationale for article deletion. But these articles concerned a specific period of history in an area of the world where we don't have a lot of editors who are knowledgable about the military history to confirm and verify the sources provided, all of which were in old, foreign language books. If the information had been more easily verified, I would have untagged the articles. But, at least with PRODs, we can always restore the articles upon request.
- I have wanted to post a notice on the WikiProject Military History talk page to ask about these regional battle articles. We seem to have acquired dozens of them over the past year and we don't have enough editors who can competently review them. This discussion will continue if the few editors who created them return to edit on the project. Liz Read! Talk! 05:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right about these articles. Just to let you know about the whole process, i was uncertain about at least some of those pages too, that's why i raised my concerns about 4 months ago on my talk page and pinged some knowledgeable editors about that. One of them (HistoryofIran) shared my concerns about these articles. Thus i spent a lot of time in the last 4 months trying to check the sources, their quality, as well as what they say exactly. The lack of page number was not the only issue with those sources, i tried to be concise for the reviewing admin and left a short note in my PROD tag, but as you said, the sources were also exclusively in foreign language (Turkish) and it is a quite well-known fact that Turkish source suffer from some systemic biases, they were old, without page number and, often, misrepresented. That's why, after 4 months, i decided to tag those articles. I have no problem to continue this discussion with the relevant editors. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 07:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
MfD:Akhand Bharat[edit]
Hello, Liz. I want to ask for your input about the (possible) proper course of action at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat, since you are completely uninvolved there. I started that MfD nomination on 21 January, and as you can see – the discussion is pretty stalled in recent days. Would it be justifiable to relist it, in order to get clearer consensus and just draw more attention to that discussion? Or maybe you have some other idea? Naturally, being the nominator and therefore an involved party there, I am refraining from taking any action by myself. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 08:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Sundostund
- It looks like Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat was closed soon after you posted this message. And I'm getting around to responding to you so late that the issue is resolved. I can see where any userbox calling for reunification of countries that are sovereign territories is controversial and it implies it's own sort of imperialism. Liz Read! Talk! 06:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Its alright, Liz. I totally get that you are quite busy at times, being an admin here. So no wories about a latter reply... Yes, the issue is resolved – in the only appropriate way, IMHO. I am glad that we are on the same page, when it comes to userboxes of this kind (at least the majority of them are indeed controversial). — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 12:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Bluechair[edit]
Hello, I see that you've deleted the article Bluechair which now redirects to Shen (cartoonist). I see that the reason is that it does not contain encyclopedic content. However, there are many other articles about Webtoons that have not been deleted, so I would like to know how to retrieve it/plead my case to you or an admin. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 8UB3RG1N3,
- First, I am an admin. Secondly, Bluechair wasn't an article I deleted, it was a simple redirect from main space to Draft space which we regularly delete as CSD R2s. So, no content was deleted, it was just a page with a link. The draft page it directed to, Draft:Bluechair, was deleted but you will have to talk to the admin who deleted that draft about page restoration. Since it was a CSD G13 deletion, you can also go to WP:REFUND and ask for it to be restored. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 06:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Samer Jundi[edit]
Hey Liz, can you draftiy
- Hello,
- I'm not sure what you are requesting for me to do. If you could provide a fuller explanation along with your signature, I'll know how to respond. Liz Read! Talk! 06:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Curious as to why you tagged the page instead of deleting it yourself Mach61 (talk) 09:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Mach61,
- I can't speak for all administrators but it is not uncommon for an admin to tag an article for speedy deletion rather than deleting it themselves. I know for CSD A7, I like for another administrators to review the article and see if they agree with my assessment. There are some criteria, like G5, G10, G11, G7 or G12 which are straightforward. The pages ovviously meet the criteria. But assessing whether ot not there is a credible claim of significance to a article subject is a bit subjective so I like to get a second opinion. Personally, I think this is a good thing and I've seen other admins, some more experienced than I am, tag articles rather than deleting them. Liz Read! Talk! 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Are you sure? I don't see any undiscussed move of the article, and the sources support it being at Maria A.... The recent moves were of redirects with the typo "Eleanora". PamD 06:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, PamD,
- To be honest, no, I'm not sure. It's just that yesterday I encountered a new editor who was moving a lot of articles to page titles that were shorter versions of the original page name. So, if the individual was named Susannah Abbott Cooper, they'd move it to Susannah Cooper just because it was shorter, not because that's the name that was used in the sources. And when they moved all of these articles, they wouldn't change the content of the article to indicate that a different name was being used. So, I've been looking at some of their many article page moves and if, in the article, the individual is identified as Susannah Abbott Cooper, I've moved it back from Susannah Cooper. But I'm not looking into every single source so there might be a lack of agreement on the subject's name. If you disagree, feel free to move it back. But when I looked over this editor's page moves, it looks like they were just moving articles to eliminate middle names or initials or maiden names when this might be how the subject was identified.
- Does this make sense? I watch the Move log a lot and I've found that many new editors are emboldened by the ability to move articles/pages and go a little overboard without due consideration of whether or not an article should actually be moved. I then see a lot of veterans doing "Revert undiscussed moves" in response. Liz Read! Talk! 06:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- But in this case I can't see any move, undiscussed or other, before yours. The redirects were moved because they used a typo of "Eleonara". PamD 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- But also, someone will always be identified in the lead by their fullest name and there is nothing in an article to indicate which version they commonly used, so the choice of article title isn't obvious from the content but will usually be shorter than what is in the lead. PamD 06:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved it back to the shorter title, but I'm still puzzled because I can't see the move you say you were reverting. PamD 07:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well, PamD, there is some information on the page history of a different redirect Eleonara Amalia Maria Adelborg about that page being moved but it turns out I thought I was reverting a move that actually didn't happen! I know that I was looking at the Move log and saw a new editor moving a lot of articles with moves that didn't seem based in naming guidelines. So, I reverted some of the bad page moves and I guess I mistakenly thought this one was part of that moving binge. I see that you had some history with this article subject so I guess it is one your Watchlist. Thank you for catching my error. Liz Read! Talk! 01:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved it back to the shorter title, but I'm still puzzled because I can't see the move you say you were reverting. PamD 07:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- But also, someone will always be identified in the lead by their fullest name and there is nothing in an article to indicate which version they commonly used, so the choice of article title isn't obvious from the content but will usually be shorter than what is in the lead. PamD 06:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- But in this case I can't see any move, undiscussed or other, before yours. The redirects were moved because they used a typo of "Eleonara". PamD 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I was watching this Afd but forgot to vote. I think the subject meets notability as an author. Could you put the now deleted article into draft so I can improve it? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Thriley,
- I think you'd have some success if you approached the admin who closed the AFD discussion. I don't feel comfortable restoring the article without you asking them first. See what they say and come back to me if they decline your request. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 13 February 2024[edit]
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Somewhat puzzled about long-standing articles being re-named by a fairly new editor[edit]
Title says it all. Some of their renaming might be "according to Hoyle" (and maybe even Wikipedia lol) but some...well, two specifically that I have noticed - the Eliza Park Custis Law article being changed to Eliza Law and Loris Ohannes Chobanian's article being changed to Loris Chobanian...that's a Nope from me, but maybe I'm wrong. I had noticed you recently posted on their user talk about some previous renaming (when I posted on their user talk about Eliza after I posted on the now Talk:Eliza Law). Would welcome your thoughts. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Shearonink
- I stand by Chobanian change 100% but possibly Eliza Parke Law ([5]) would be better in the other case. In any event, shouldn't this go to ANI if there is a serious question, not a forum-shopped tete-a-tete? Nirva20 (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- I was asking for advice on how to handle something that I was puzzled about. I reserve ANI for serious situations where an editorial consensus seems improbable and working together has come to a standstill. I posted on the article talk and also posted my concerns to your user talk. Sorry you feel that asking here on how to best proceed is forum-shopping. I thought maybe I was missing something and that I could be wrong that's all. Shearonink (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League closed as redirect. Just recently a bunch of disruptive page moves were made, and I don't know where the history is now, but the history should be restored to this title to avoid backdoor deletion. My edit history has a contribution with that AFD in its edit summary, so hopefully that makes things easy to find. Might also want to caution the editor responsible to not make disruptive page movs. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 06:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139,
- This will be tricky to reconstruct. I just deleted a whole lot of circular redirects from all of these page moves. It's a bit late here so give me some time to track down the final destination of the page involved in the AFD. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- I understand, and I expect it was intentionally done to be difficult to reconstruct. If you look at my deleted contributions there should be a recent one that mentions Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League in the edit summary, so maybe that will help. But now since they tried to avoid scrutiny, the current article content will have to first be moved to draft, and potentially move protected, so that the AFD result stands until an AFC reviewer looks things over. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 06:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- History is currently at Draft:2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League see these diffs [6] and [7]. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar has been nominated for splitting[edit]
Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 12:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Northern Relfections Brand - Article[edit]
Hi Liz - hope you are well. My name is Natalie from Analiize agency and I am representing the Northern Reflections clothing brand. We noticed the brand page was shut down by yourself. I understand your reasoning. The brand has a rich history in the Canadian retail landscape. To avoid further issues with the page, we would like to incorporate the full legal business name which is Northern Reflections Ltd. Would it be possible to restore the page with the legal business name? Please let me know. Thank you in advance. Analiize (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}}
tag from Miss Caraïbes Hibiscus, which you proposed for deletion. (some coverage found in brief search; maybe more available; perhaps notable - needs further checking). If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}}
back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Rupples (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Rupples,
- Well, thanks for letting me know. I really didn't think there was much supporting this article but I guess you found some sources establishing notability. And, I know not to replace a PROD tag. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes of course. Guess I should have tailored a personal message, given your experience. Poor form on my part. Haven't noticed you closing so many AfDs recently, well at least the few I contribute to. In the early days of my looking at AfDs you were (and still are) an inspiration in helping me to consider and look for alternatives to deletion> Thank you for that. Rupples (talk) 08:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Yellowmirror and Yellowpapper[edit]
As I thought, there was a blocked puppeteer. There were also multiple other socks, all now blocked. It is too often like that. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Please restore deleted draft article[edit]
On 14 January 2023, you deleted Draft:Warren C. Trenchard. I would like to resume working on this draft. Please restore the draft. Thank you.Wctrenchard (talk) 06:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Wctrenchard,
- Can you provide me with a link to the deleted page? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 06:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Because the draft page is deleted, this is the best I can provide: Draft:Warren C. Trenchard (a hot link).Wctrenchard (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Because the draft page is deleted, this is the best I can provide: Draft:Warren C. Trenchard (a hot link).Wctrenchard (talk) 22:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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Danthemedguy22 (talk) 00:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi mam help me[edit]
Hi mam Many369 (talk) 02:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
About Shiv Temple, Gandabahali[edit]
I'm only able to see a single revision in the history from you (which has caused the article to be autopatrolled), but I believe the page was draftified at the same time by Pppery, which somehow caused the revision history to split? Anyways, I believe the mainspace page should probably now be deleted under CSD G6. Let me know what you think! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, TechnoSquirrel69,
- Well, that does look confusing. Going into the page log, I can see that you are right, at the same time I was removing a CSD tag from the page, Pppery was moving the article to Draft space. I guess because I edited and removed the tag, when I saved the page, it resaved the old version of the article that Pppery had moved. This has happened to me a couple of times, where I have edited an article at the same time that another editor/admin had deleted, moved or edited the page. It's confusing when it happens.
- I removed the CSD tag because the editor who tagged it was asking for it to be draftified, not deleted, so I advised them to draftify the article which apparently Pppery did for them. I hope these explains things. I often thought if I had a magic power to grant all editors a privilege, it would be to see deleted edits, it would help explain a lot of edits that are made. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 06:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Kindly unprotect Bahari Ibaadat[edit]
HI @Liz, hope this message finds you well. I have noticed that an article I created few years ago has been deleted and protected by you for repeatedly recreated of the article. I kindly need your help to unprotect the article so that I recreate the article based on the Wikipedia policies and guidelines. FYI I am not sure who and why someone repeatedly tried to recreated the article.
kindly advise me if any action is required to be taken from my side to resolve the article issue. ahmadi.afg (talk) 06:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, ahmadi.afg,
- Another administrator, Materialscientist, protected Bahari Ibaadat after the article was recreated again so you'd have to ask them about this. I'd advise you to create a draft article at Draft:Bahari Ibaadat and submit it for AFC review. You will need to do this any way as the article was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahari Ibaadat (2nd nomination). If you had a main space article that resembled the previous article, it would be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4. The only way I know of overcome an AFD deletion decision is to work on a draft and submit it to AFC. The AFC reviewer will make sure it doesn't have the same problems as the article that was deleted through the AFD.
- The only other approach you could take if you don't want to go ask Materialscientist, is to go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and ask for the page protection to be reduced. While it is a lot more work to craft an excellent draft article, I don't think you wil have success asking for a reduction in page protection unless you have a very good reason for why this should be done. And the admin responding there will probably tell you exactly what I've just told you.
- If you have general questions about editing on the project, please bring them to the Teahouse. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 07:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Liz, Thank you so much for the quick reply and very helpful information and guidance. I will take the first approach and will create a draft article and will submit it for AFC. Kind Regards @ahmadi.afg ahmadi.afg (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Poor wording on my part on my ANI case[edit]
Sorry about that, and (genuinely) thank you for pointing it out so I could correct it. I didn't think it would be interpreted like that, as I'm not acquainted with any admins personally. It wasn't meant to be read as "I don't know any (admins I can trust)", but rather, "I don't consider myself acquainted with any admins, and therefore I don't know who to go to who would be willing to act." DarmaniLink (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, DarmaniLink,
- I'm very sorry about that comment, I clearly took the remark personally which was not very helpful for you and your problem. That is why I removed it immediately so I don't know how you tracked it down in the page edit history.
- Regarding your opinion, I don't know if there are any admins you can be sure will act on your complaint. They try to see the big picture and it could be that you are partially responsible for the situation that has developed. There are a few exceptions to this, there are some editors who are experts at spotting sockpupets and they work more closely with admins who are checkusers because their observations have proven to be helpful. But I don't think there are any editors or admins who could come to me and say, 100%, "Block this editor" or "Delete this page" and I would follow their request without investigating it. And, to be honest, I think that is the way things should work. We are, after all, volunteers just like you and work on tasks that appeal to us. When I started editing 10 years ago, there were a lot more admins visiting ANI and responding to problems but things were an absolute zoo back then and while it might take longer for an admin to come by and address your concern, I don't think we should ever go back to the days when a mob of ANI regulars determined what should happen to an editor(s). Things were brutal and cliquish and I'm glad the noticeboards have calmed down enough that we are seeking more participation. When I have a moment, I'll revisit your case and see if there is anything I can do to actually help. Liz Read! Talk! 05:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- (I got a notification for it since I subscribed to the thread.) Really, no big deal at all. I don't hold it against you at all, and given the implication, you had every right to take it how you did.
- I asked in the wiki discord for a lighter option, and got told to go to ANI or AE by an on-site admin there and that those were basically my options if I didn't know an admin outright. Basically, the lighter options were there but are long gone, so, that may have contributed. Thank you, as well :) DarmaniLink (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Asking for help[edit]
After this discussion with Nirva20 about their recent renaming of Elizabeth Parke Custis Law to Eliza Law - we've reached a consensus about moving the title back. I would like to move ahead and revert this article back to its original title for the reasons I have stated at Nirva20's user talk and also my post at the article talk: Renaming this article. I almost never move articles so this is the thing...is it too much for me to ask you to do all the moves? If you'd rather not, I'll go ahead and perform the moves myself but then I would also ask you to please check my work - Because of my "un-expertise" I am concerned that I will probably miss associated Wiki-bits & pieces. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- RE Shearonink
Yes, Liz. I withdraw any objections to re-renaming the article. Nirva20 (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- RE Shearonink
I moved the article back to the original name, per WP:COMMONNAME etc. I think all the redirects tech stuff is taken care of, please check my work if you have time (lol no time I know...) Shearonink (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
I noticed you declined the speedy deletion of this article. However, the AFD shows that the author (who I've indeffed for creating another hoax) posted about his hoaxes on a magic forum. Do you mind if this page gets deleted? Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Reaper Eternal,
- Well, the article has been deleted so the question is moot. Regarding MY handling of this article, it was confusing because it had both a PROD and a CSD tag on the page and I was trying to respond to both. I didn't know anything about other forums. I think there are some problems with analyzing an "obvious hoax", I didn't think it was obvious but clearly another administrator did so they carried out the deletion.
- I'm sure it is not comforting to regular editors to know this (if they haven't already observed it), but carrying out or declining CSD requests has an element of subjectivity. I usually don't feel strongly about having a difference of opinion from another administrator but occasionally I challenge a decision that is opposed to what I would do. There is clearly more to this article and situation than I was aware of when I reviewed it so I'm happy to defer to another admin. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Valid reason to depopulate a category?[edit]
Hi Liz, only a few minutes ago you alerted me that a category I created, Category:Noah Kahan albums, had been depopulated and was tagged for speedy deletion. Do you, in your experience creating and managing categories, think this editor's reasoning ("not necessary") is valid? Is there any guideline against having a category for one or two pages, particularly if it's "[artist] albums" and the category has more than one page in it? Ss112 21:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Ss112,
- We have a bit of a problem here. It is against policy to empty categories "out of process" but it happens all of the time, every day. Editors who work with categories do it regularly even though it is discouraged. If it's part of a "recategorization", and articles are being resorted, it's understandable but if it's just an editor emptying a category because it's a small category (which is usually the situation), just approach them and challenge their editing decision. If challenged, they should back down, if they don't, then get a third party like me to intervene.
- So, there is "policy" and "practice" and they do not always coincide, unfortunately. It's discouraging for me in the past to post warning notices on the user talk page of experienced editors who should know better, knowing that they probably won't change but it takes an awful lot of incontrovertible evidence to warrant a visit to WP:ANI. I've found rather than trying to change the behavior of veteran editors, it's easier to handle each situation as it arises. Are you still getting pushback about Category:Noah Kahan albums? Liz Read! Talk! 01:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
You've Got Mail[edit]
Hello Liz, I began a draft in 2019 without the full understanding that it could be deleted over the years to free up server space. I recently asked to have it undeleted and the content is no longer there in a draft. Are you at all able to see if Mike Roche TSOl (Musician) has any content left? I'm devasted that everything is lost. Please help in any way you can. Kindly, Tracy TVaughanSoCal (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, TVaughanSoCal,
- Can you provide me with a link to the deleted article? Then I can see why it was deleted and provide you with a response. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any evidence of the draft at all. I once had Mike Roche, Michael Paul Roche, Mike Roche TSOl (Musician) TVaughanSoCal (talk) 21:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Alley of Angels and Krasnohorivka[edit]
Ms. Liz. Before I get banned, can I know why those two articles were removed? I know about Draft: The Battle of Kradnohorivka, but why was the article "Alley of Angels" removed, which is why I rained a barrage of insults on this site and all the administrators on the page, and therefore I expect a new ban? — Baba Mica (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Baba Mica,
- I can see that this is a matter that is very important to you but I'm coming from a place of not knowing anything about your situation. First, can you provide me with links to the article pages of the articles you are concerned about? Don't just give me their name but a link to the page would be helpful. Then I can see why they were deleted and be able to respond to you.
- I don't know anything about you being banned but just know that editors can get their share of template messages or warning messages to alert them to problems without being on the verge of actually being blocked. More specifics would help here. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_of_Angels&oldid=1143489915 — Baba Mica (talk) 00:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Hope you had a great day and weekend if you had a long one. I know you declined this speedy since the CU can't tie the IP to the blocked account. In an effort to stop the incessant disruption and save @CNMall41:'s sanity, I've move protected it. That way if there is a non sock who establishes notability, an AfC or other established editor can process it. Does this work for you? CNM, you'll see I speedied a couple of others that weren't declined and took care of one. Let me know if you think move protection is needed for Draft:Khaie (TV series)? Liz, I temporarily "solved" the latter with rev del. Thanks both! Star Mississippi 00:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Star Mississippi:. I believe Liz made the right call on a technical basis. It worked out as the edit history shows some more experienced users invovled which I emailed CU main email about (I am sure it hasn't been checked yet as they seem super busy). I am also not sure if protecting the titles will help as they simply recreate under disambiguations. They also know the "technical" decline of G5 so are creating pages through IP addresses. I am just thankful to stop the flow when we can and put a dent in their business. Appreciate you both and will follow whatever lead you all take in the matter. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yep. That's why I'm just move protecting. Less whack a sock. I think I'm watching enough of the recent targets I should catch them early.
- Was about to drop a note on your talk, but since we're here @CNMall41, try G6 for the Talk pages. I think the IP reverting you was a sock anyway, but since Talk pages aren't DABs, I think it's simpler for reviewing admins to use G6/8. That's just my .02, you can of course handle however you please as you're not wrong. I think the SPI backlog hit the US long weekend but should be sorted soon. Star Mississippi 01:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'll do whatever is easiest for an admin to see and take action on. I was also thinking of throwing myself on the clerk sword if you think it would help out at SPI but not sure if you are full up or not. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not a CU or clerk, but from what I understand they definitely need more help.
- I just followed the SPI when you flagged it somewhere last week and I had a feeling we'd find friends. I'll duck block at times, but that one needed CU eyes. I'm always happy to do the cleanup. I think I got it all and am about to log off for the evening but if you see any lingering feel free to drop a list on my Talk and I'll get them if my fellow TPSers don't by morning. Thanks as always for the eyes on NPP/AfC. Star Mississippi 02:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I dragged you down the hole. lol. You did great and I appreciate your eyes on it. I will reach out with any DUCKS but I do think the private evidence I emailed will need a CU as it is likely going to yield a ton of accounts, some of which are active AfC reviewers which is quite sad.--CNMall41 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oof! Happy to help on that clean up when needed. Excellent eyes @CNMall41 Star Mississippi 13:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Star Mississippi:, pinging you here since we already have the thread. I am filing the SPI now but they are back, editing Draft:Khaie (TV series), right where user:From14 left off. Can't really make this stuff up. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- We have new friends. I just updated the SPI so don't worry about it @CNMall41. @Liz we'll get off your talk page for the next round. Star Mississippi 14:41, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I dragged you down the hole. lol. You did great and I appreciate your eyes on it. I will reach out with any DUCKS but I do think the private evidence I emailed will need a CU as it is likely going to yield a ton of accounts, some of which are active AfC reviewers which is quite sad.--CNMall41 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'll do whatever is easiest for an admin to see and take action on. I was also thinking of throwing myself on the clerk sword if you think it would help out at SPI but not sure if you are full up or not. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Deleting category redirects[edit]
Hi Liz, re deletion of Category:7th-century Gothic people etc, please check whether the target has been renamed before deletion of redlinked category redirects – especially if the cat redirects are tagged with Rcat templates such as {{R from category navigation}}, or simply with keep=yes. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Fayenatic,
- You're right. Sometimes they are category redirects of category redirects and I don't correct them like I do other types of broken redirects that are the result of a page move. The other editor I know who also checks for broken category redirects is Explicit so you might share this warning with them as well. I'll try to do better. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Liz. Redirects of redirects should also be updated rather than deleted for former names e.g. players by team /alumni by college, since we anachronistically merge /rename these to the current name rather than keep all the historically accurate categories. – Fayenatic London 09:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz[edit]
I'm sorry about that request I made. I'm not trying to change the genres as a jerk, I'm just trying to change them with help. I've been on Wikipedia for months and I'm still a little confused. The reason why I put sourced genres over the category that doesn't have is because there's no source for the category. Like in my Russians by Sting edit. I'm not trying to disruptive, I'm just trying to be helpful. Sorry about saying that you can't do this to me. Iamthegoat524 (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Iamthegoat524,
- Thank you for the apology. I think what most new editors don't realize is that communicating and working with your fellow editors is almost as important as the edits you are making. Most editors (most but not all!) come to your User talk page to point out problems that need to be addressed, not to just be jerks. And what all longtimers here know is what Wikipedia requires the most is enthusiastic, competent editors. Since there are always editors who decide to move on or get busy with offline life, we have an ongoing need for new editors every year to keep the project going. So, if you are making a mistake, the typical solution is for a more experieced editor is to say, "Please don't do X, we need you to start doing Y and Z". They point out the problem and, hopefully, the policy or guidelines that describes the correct approach. Because what we want is not to block editors but to help editors improve their skills. But if an editor isn't paying attention, sometimes a brief block is imposed just to draw their attention to the problem.
- So, it's important to pay attention to User talk page messages even if they are critical. Heck, I've been editing regularly for over 10 years now and I still get editors coming to MY user talk page indicating some mistake I've made or a problem I've overlooked. And you might spot an error that another editor has made! It's not always pleasant to hear but it's how we all improve our skills and make the project better. But it's also why "Civility" is one of the Five Pillars on Wikipedia, when you have so much critique going on, kindness, patience and being articulate is required, not to drop a hammer on an editor...this is a writing project, not law enforcement.
- As far as musical genres, there is a long-standing history for years of "genre warriors" arguing about the correct genre a song or artist should be classified as which have resulted in endless edit-warring. So, there is more policy surrounding this style guideline than other stylistic issues. It's an aspect of musical articles that some longtime editors keep tabs on so you kind of wandered into a minefield. I hope the editors who approached you have properly explained the problem to you and how genres work on this project. If you have any questions about editing on Wikipedia or interpersonal problems arise, I recommend taking them to the Teahouse as your first step. Thanks again for the apology. Liz Read! Talk! 01:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- The person who blocked me is H Mitchell. Who should I ask if a source is reliable or not before I edit on Wikipedia. Iamthegoat524 (talk) 05:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
The user you blocked[edit]
The user you blocked three days ago is doing uncollegial editing, again. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Bri,
- Thanks for letting me know. I've left them a note saying that if this didn't stop, they'd receive another block for a week or longer. Consider that a final warning. Liz Read! Talk! 19:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Keep up the good work[edit]
Thanks for your hard work at Wikipedia! StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 03:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, StreetcarEnjoyer,
- Well, thank you very much. It does keep me very busy. Liz Read! Talk! 03:57, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I created Draft:Sara Fishko a while ago and it was deleted. A COI editor has recently created a draft for the same subject. Could you restore my old draft so I can consult it for content? Thanks, Thriley (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Thriley,
- Done I'm familiar with Sara Fishko from when I lived in New Jersey, she was a big presence on our local NPR station WNYC. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 03:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, do not redirect to Zig & Sharko Vzimor (talk) 12:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Vzimor I just took a look at it, and yes, this article should have been redirected a long time ago. Did you not look at the deletion discussion? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:16, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note - I have restored the REDIRECT per the AFD result. -- Whpq (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- and I have protected it since I'm pretty sure this is the same editor who was previously editing as an IP and doesn't quite understand notability. Star Mississippi 16:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
About Poland settlement AfDs[edit]
Hi Liz, I failed to give consideration to deletion alternatives for a series of AfDs. I highly doubt that any significant discussion will result from them, and I think straightforward redirects would be more productive (given the lack of any sourceable information or data to add to the pages that a simple list wouldn't resolve). The AfDs without any votes are:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Łozowo-Kolonia
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prohalino
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaszuba, Podlaskie Voivodeship
The ones with a few votes are:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brzozowy Borek
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zujkowszczyzna
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harasimowicze-Kolonia
Also, what would I do if the page should be redirected, but is under the wrong name—move and then redirect? Ilawa-Kataka (talk) 18:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Liz, it has been a while since I left the first message, have you seen it? Ilawa-Kataka (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
May you please archive older disussions[edit]
At over 400k bytes, loading is starting to really slow down. Mach61 (talk) 04:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, Mach61,
- I'll get to it. I try to stay on top of archiving but this User talk page sees more traffic than you might expect. By the way, where can you see that my talk page is over 400K bytes? Can you provide me with a link? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- The "page information" link on the sidebar Mach61 (talk) 05:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Mach61, so you randomly check stats for pages that seem too long? I would have thought there was some Database Report that tracked that information. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's also in page history, right beside the byte change information. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:37, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- I just see you frequently on my watchlist is all. Mach61 (talk) 05:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Mach61, so you randomly check stats for pages that seem too long? I would have thought there was some Database Report that tracked that information. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- The "page information" link on the sidebar Mach61 (talk) 05:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
CSD tag removals[edit]
Hi Liz, I noticed that you removed my CSD tags from Draft:Anders Holmer & Draft:SM Culture Partners, as they are redirects. However, my understanding was that WP:G3 includes redirects created as a result of cleaning up page-move vandalism. For context, these draftspace redirects were created as a result of improper draftifications of established articles ([12], [13]) by an editor who was also creating baseless AfDs at breakneck speed (all of which have since been nuked - see ANI thread for reference). These articles have never been in draft-space, so I believed it would be in keeping with WP:DENY to tag the redirects created by reverting their moves for deletion.
All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 05:21, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, A smart kitten,
- Well, I didn't untag Draft:DHipgnosis Songs Fund which you tagged for the exact same reasons and so far, no patrolling admin has taken action on your request to delete it. We'll see if others agree with your reasoning. Liz Read! Talk! 07:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Liz, that redirect has now been deleted by JBW. Because of this, I was wondering if you would mind if I retagged the remaining two redirects for speedy deletion. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 18:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
HI I am working on the Women Electronic Literature Writers Project (now the Electronic literature project). I am cleaning up old drafts. Could you let me know why this draft was deleted and if it is possible to resurrect it? I have restored an old copy, which I am now fixing. See the Project list at https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Electronic_literature/List_of_missing_articles_about_electronic_literature#Drafts_to_edit%2C_review%2C_and_submit
Thanks! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Draft:List of Datalog engines[edit]
Hello Liz, The deleted draft article was formerly included as a section of the Datalog article. It was deleted on 2 March 2023, and started as a separate draft article. I would like to restore the section, but including and changes made by the author of the draft. If you can restore the draft, I will copy it and add it back to the main Datalog article, where it can be further improved. Many thanks. Robert Kowalski (talk) 12:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
I have gone back into the history of edits to the Datalog article, and restored the deleted material, without the edits in the separate, deleted draft article. Robert Kowalski (talk) 12:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisting Tarn Willers AfD[edit]
Hi Liz. I hope all is well. Would you be willing to relist this AfD to see if a consensus develops. Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 15:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Liz, I just wanted to check in again and see if you're willing to relist this AfD. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 22:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of Korvi Rakshand[edit]
Hello Liz, please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Korvi Rakshand. Jay 💬 07:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Jay,
- I responded this morning but will check back to see if there are still questions. Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Unsourced page in mainspace[edit]
Hey there, Liz. The page which you moved to draftspace, Draft:Chung Shu-ming, had no sources. Apparently, the user who created that page decided to add another one, Chung Shu-ming, to the article mainspace, which I feel is technically a cut-and-paste since they decided to add the page there. Can you delete that page on the mainspace? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Adam Hanka[edit]
CuteDolphin712 has asked for a deletion review of Adam Hanka. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 00:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
CSD G5 and ARBECR[edit]
Hey Liz, I saw you just declined the G5 nomination I made for Killing of Sidra Hassouna. Per Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#RfC:_Status_of_G5 there seems to be a consensus that G5 applies to ARBECR violations, and that article (and the other drafts I nominated) were all created by a non-extended-confirmed editor on a topic covered by WP:ARBPIA4. Could I convince you to look at those nominations again please? Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Sideswipe9th,
- Please see the message that I placed on your User talk page. I retagged one of the drafts but I'm not sure that I did so properly. Liz Read! Talk! 03:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, I've retagged them now. Turns out you were right, {{db-gs}} does support the CTOP topic code, so I've added that one instead with the correct code. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 24[edit]
Hello everyone, and welcome to the 24th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 24 December 2021. Uh-huh, we're finally covering the good ones among the rest! Aren't you excited? Remember to include a link in double brackets to the script's .js page when you install the script, so that we can see who uses the script in WhatLinksHere! The ScriptInstaller gadget automatically does this. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!
Featured script[edit]
- Making user scripts load faster by SD0001 is this month's featured script, which caches userscripts every day to eliminate the overhead caused by force-downloading the newest version of scripts every time you open a Wikipedia page. Despite being released in April 2021, our best script scouters have failed to locate it due to its omission from the US of L. For security reasons, the script only supports loading JavaScript pages.
Newly maintained scripts[edit]
After earthly attempts at improving the original have failed...
- Aaron Liu has created What redirects here from Guarapiranga/WhatRedirectsHere; his fork includes support for every MediaWiki wiki, corrected link positions, an access key, and some rudimentary translation.
- Ahecht has created a fork of SiBr4/TemplateSearch, which adds the "TP:" shortcut for "Template:" in the search box, and updated it to be compatible with Vector 2022.
- AquilaFasciata/goToTopFast is a much faster fork of the classic goToTop script that also adds compatibility for Minerva and Vector 2022.
- Mesidast/Tidy citations is a fork of Meteor sandwich yum/Tidy citations is a fork of Waldyrious/formatcitations. It configurably harmonizes whitespace and cleans up parameters in citation templates, descriptive edit summary included.
Improve a script[edit]
Unfortunately, this section has remained nearly identical. Help us out here!
- Many of our favorite scripts such as Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts and Bradv/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
- Elominius/media timer works, but its UI looks alien. Someone could improve it...
- To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
- We want...
- ...a mark-as-read button and watchlist notices support for Aaron Liu/Watchlyst Greybar Unsin
- ...a tool to automatically fix CAT:BROKENREFs, preferably a fork/addition to TheJJJunk/ARA
- ...a fix/fork of DannyS712/SectionRemover to make it work
Requested scripts[edit]
- A simple script to second or archive proposed deletions
- A script to auto-expand V22 ToC sections like this demo
- A WP:3O response tool that can automatically remove the relevant request from the 3O dashboard
- A byte filter to be split from Nux/LongTableFilters
- ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests
New scripts[edit]
- DannyS712/AbuseFilterMessageLinks add links to the "warn" and "disallow" messages in edit filters.
- Diegodlh/Web2Cit/script adds an option to use m:Web2Cit (which WP:ProveIt also uses) instead of mw:Citoid to generate citations in the Visual Editor.
- Dragoniez/SuppressEnterInForm stops you from accidentally submitting anything due to pressing enter while in the smaller box, and works on almost anything... except the InputBox element itself, used in subscription lists and the Signpost Crossword! Oh, the humanity!
- Doǵu/Adiutor (pictured) provides a nice, integrated interface to do some twinkley tasks such as copyvio detection, CSD tagging, and viewing the most recent diff.
- Eejit43 has quite the aesthetically pleasing scripts, all made in TypeScript.
- /afcrc-helper is a replacement for the unmaintained Enterprisey/AFCRHS and processes Redirects for Creation and Categories for Creation requests.
- /ajax-undo stops the "undo" button from taking you to another page while providing a text box to provide a reason for the revert.
- /redirect-helper (pictured) adds a much better interface for editing and redirects, including categorization, for which valid categories are dictated by /redirect-helper.json.
- /rmtr-helper helps process technical requested moves without being able to actually move them.
- Guycn2/UserInfoPopup (pictured) adds a flyout after the watchlist star on userspace pages that displays the common information you might use about a user.
- Jeeputer/editCounter, under userspace, adds a portlet link to count your edits by namespace, put them in a table, and put that table in a hardcoded subpage, all in the background.
- Hilst/Scripts/sectionLinks converts all section links to use the § sign, which are known to be preferred over the ugly # by 99% of the devils I've met.
- Moonythedwarf/extra-unreliable highlights phrases commonly used in spammed and POV'd paragraphs.
- NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/FormattedEditRequest (pictured) generates a wikitext-formatted diff view of any changes you've made that you can copy and paste anywhere.
- PrimeHunter/Category source.js adds portlet links to tell you where a category for an article comes from and supports those from template transclusions.
- Qwerfjkl/massCFD creates mass WP:CfD nominations.
- Rublov/refspace highlights footnote spacing errors in red.
- Sophivorus's MiniEdit adds some nice, li'l buttons next to paragraphs to edit their wikitext with a minimal interface.
Edit-listings[edit]
- Dragoniez/ToollinkTweaks adds more and customizable links next to users in page history, logs, watchlist, recent changes, etc.
- Firefly/more-block-info optimizes the display of rangeblocks in contribution pages. Doesn't work outside the English locale of any wiki, unfortunately.
- Ingenuity/AbuseFilterContribs adds the edit filters that an edit tripped (if any) to a user's contributions page.
- Nardog/ExamineMore makes it so the paging at Special:AbuseFilter/examine actually works, pending a fix to T292764.
- NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AjaxLoader makes paging links (e.g. older 50, 500, newest) load without refreshing and makes you realize how slow your internet actually is.
Appearance-ricing[edit]
- Ahecht/RedirectID adds the redirect target to all redirects. For all the WP:NAVPOPS haters. (Do these exist?)
- Dragoniez/MarkBLockedGlobal: Remember the "strike blocked usernames" gadget? Now you can use a red, dotted line to highlight rangeblocks and global locks!
- GhostInTheMachine/GraphicReplyLink replaces the [ reply ] link with 💬, which is some sort of rainy cloud I guess?[Joke]
- Jonesey/common (pictured) has some styles to overhaul your Vector 2022 experience. It reduces padding everywhere, and makes the top bar animation faster.
- Aaron Liu/V22 is a fork that narrows the sidebars instead of upheaving them, reverts the January 2024 dropdown changes, and restores the old page-link color for links that don't go outside the current wiki.
- Nardog: SmartDiff is a spiritual successor to Enterprisey/fancy-diffs. It makes the page title part of links in diffs clickable, along with template and parser function calls. Unnamed parameters can be configured per template to also be linked. All links are styled based on the normal CSS classes of rendered links.
- Phlsph7/ClassicalTOC (Vector 2022) reinserts the inline table of contents to pages under Vector 2022.
- For the paranoid: Rublov/anonymize replaces your username at the top of the screen with the generic "User page" text. Remember, it is your duty to persuade everyone that editing is an honor.
- Sideswipe9th/Vector 2022 Floating Tools Menu moves the Page Tools menu to the left and makes it float along with the table of contents.
- Sm8ps/SectionEditing makes pressing Tab ↹ toggle the visibility of the tiny [ edit ] links next to section headings.. Not a great name, eh?
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Permissions required![edit]
- Ahecht/potd-helper: A script to post the picture of the day. A powerful upgrade for your mop.
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- /Selective Rollback (pictured) provides a dialog box to customize rollback edit summaries and does them without reloading the page. Seriously, why doesn't MediaWiki already do this?
- Theleekycauldron/DYK promoter automates (nearly) all the work needed to post a DYK hook.
QOL shortcuts[edit]
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- DanCherek/UAABotRemover adds a portlet link to enable a removal shortcut of faulty reports from Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention.
- DreamRimmer/BlankUserPage helps you destroy webhost-ers' hopes and dreams with a user-friendly dialog box.
- ESanders (WMF)/commentlinks.js adds a "link" button right after the "reply" button while the WMF struggles to reach feature parity with Convenient Discussions.
- Isaacl/copy-comment-link-to-clipboard does exactly what you'd think it does, but in Wikitext.
- FenrisAureus/SimpleStatus adds a shortcut at the top to edit your /Status subpage while providing a pre-made template.
- Fred Gandt/addCloneClearButtonAboveScributoConsole: What a mouthful! Yet all it does (no offense) is add another Clear button on top of the Lua module debug console.
- Guarapiranga/GlobalWatchlistLink adds a link to metawiki:Special:GlobalWatchlist next to the normal watchlist.
- Nardog
- PasteToCommons adds a paste handler to upload the pasted image to Wikimedia Commons.
- Unpipe tries to detect violations of WP:NOPIPE and fix them as much as possible.
- Ohconfucius/tometricunits automatically adds unit conversions of imperial units in brackets after their uses per MOS:UNITS.
- Suntooooth
- /flickrsearch adds a portlet link to search for uploadable flickr images about the subject.
- /randomincategory adds a portlet link when on Category pages to go to a random page in the current category.
- Vghfr/EasyTemplates adds a portlet link to automatically insert some of the most common inline {{fix}} templates.
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Hi Liz, the issue is not that a page needs to be moved to that title, but rather that the article space page should be deleted because a much more developed draft already exists here. I tried to draftify the existing one-line stub but it wouldn't let me because of the other draft. The only other option would be to perform a round-Robbin move but when one version is clearly far superior like here I thought it would just be easier to delete the one-liner (and merge it into the preexisting draft if applicable/appropriate). Taking Out The Trash (talk) 03:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Taking Out The Trash,
- Sorry for the belated response. Admins differ on how they handle these situations but, for me, I won't delete a main space article for the reasons of CSD G6 until I view the page an editor wants to move to that article title and see that it is an improvement over the existing article. That's why I untagged the page which looks like it has now been deleted. However, as I think I said in my edit summary, just use Twinkle and select CSD>G6 Move and put the article/draft title you want moved in the field for that criteria. Then, an admin can quickly view both pages and act on the request or decline it with an explanation. I have seen instances where a draft creator requested CSD G6 page deletion of a main space page for a draft that has only received AFC declines and in that case, deletion would not be appropriate until the draft has been acceptance or approval. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2024[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).
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- Phase I of the 2024 RfA review is now open for participation. Editors are invited to review, comment on, and propose improvements to the requests for adminship process.
- Following an RfC, the inactivity requirement for the removal of the interface administrator right increased from 6 months to 12 months.
- The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)
- The 2024 appointees for the Ombuds commission are だ*ぜ, AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Doǵu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, MdsShakil, Minorax, Nehaoua, Renvoy and RoySmith as members, with Vermont serving as steward-observer.
- Following the 2024 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Ajraddatz, Albertoleoncio, EPIC, JJMC89, Johannnes89, Melos and Yahya.
Hi Liz, could you restore Jason Perlow to draft? The article was recently deleted but I think there is enough sourcing out there to demonstrate GNG is met. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Thriley,
- The AFD which resulted in deletion of this article just closed today. I'd advise you to approach Explicit and request his help. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Is that okay? Liz Read! Talk! 01:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz. This newly created article is a copyvio cut and paste from a blog site. Twinkle won’t let me tag it for G12 as the source site is on the spam blacklist and it blocks the link, so it may need an admin’s attention. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 05:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- also Mugbamugba War Mccapra (talk) 05:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
The Signpost: 2 March 2024[edit]
- News and notes: Wikimedia enters US Supreme court hearings as "the dolphin inadvertently caught in the net"
- Recent research: Images on Wikipedia "amplify gender bias"
- In the media: The Scottish Parliament gets involved, a wikirace on live TV, and the Foundation's CTO goes on record
- Obituary: Vami_IV
- Traffic report: Supervalentinefilmbowlday
- WikiCup report: High-scoring WikiCup first round comes to a close
AFD John Dunlop (chess player)[edit]
Hi Liz. You recently closed the AFD discussion for John Dunlop (chess player) one day after it was relisted to generate a more thorough discussion. I would suggest that 24 hours is not long enough to generate a more thorough discussion, and would ask that you reconsider the closure. I have located contemporary sources that would allow an expansion of the article, e.g. this item from the New Zealand Herald of 6 January 1921. Paora (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Paora,
- I'm open to your suggestion if you can state that you will participate in this AFD if it is reopened. As it was, if it wasn't me, another admin would have closed it similarly at the state it was at. Liz Read! Talk! 00:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Liz. Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I will participate in the AFD if it is reopened. Paora (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Paora,
- Okay, so I reverted my closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Dunlop (chess player) and restored the article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Liz. Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I will participate in the AFD if it is reopened. Paora (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Use of NPOV[edit]
Hello,
I noticed that you left a npov template on Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department without any explanation, even though one is recommended per the templates page. Could you provide examples or reasons as to what made you decide to append this template to said page? I personally didn't think the page is biased but I may be blind to what you see. Thanks! Fluffy89502 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Fluffy89502 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you![edit]
The Admin's Barnstar | |
Thanks for your tireless work for the closure of AfDs. Tehonk (talk) 04:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC) |
Hey there Liz. Could you help take a look on this issue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but said IP address appears to be showing chronic and persistent behaviour, from repeatedly making edits with no ES to avoiding any sort of discussion on their talk page. Appreciate your help on this. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Said IP address has even made a rather aggresive reply too in ANI. hundenvonPG (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Jack Lindsay - Add parentheses/disambiguator[edit]
Hi Liz,
You undid an edit I made, comment: "Unnecessary page move".
Could you help me understand what makes a page move necessary?
R. Ryan2602 (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Nawwaf Hannan - Deleted Page "Ariful Hannan" due to unamibgious content[edit]
Hi Liz,
You deleted an article I recently wrote on this individual, and I was wondering if it is possible to rewrite the article with a more neutral tone and less specificity, mainting neutrality and consicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nawwaf.hannan (talk • contribs) 03:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Nawwaf.hannan,
- I assume you are talking about Draft:Ariful Hannan. We generally don't restore content that is judged to be promotional. But if you go into your Preferences to your account and enable email access, I'd be willing to email a copy of the content. Then you could use content, off-Wikipedia, and try to write a new draft that isn't so promotional. I recommend you work on it in your User space, like a User sandbox. Then you can submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Let me know when you have email enabled and I'll send it to you. If you are being compensated for your work, please review Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and follow the guidelines presented in the policy page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Library message[edit]
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Page Deletion - Adam Jamal Craig[edit]
Dear Liz,
I hope this message finds you well. I recently learned that the Wikipedia page detailing my acting career (Adam Jamal Craig) was deleted under the belief that my contributions are insignificant. This decision also led to the removal of my name from my college's list of notable alumni and omitted references to my involvement in culturally significant works, including television series such as 'The Office' and 'NCIS: LA', among others.
As an actor and business owner actively working and living in Los Angeles, I respectfully request a reconsideration of these changes. The landscape of art and media is evolving, and my contributions, albeit not always captured through traditional formats, are part of this continuous change. Please, I ask for your support in undoing the deletions, allowing my career's ongoing story and contributions to be recognized and shared. Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to any possibility of dialogue on this matter.
I am new to communicating in this wiki-based format so please forgive me if I have responded in some improper way. Edit -> Not sure how the "Books & Bytes" section appeared above. Again, sorry. I'm new at this.
Warm regards,
Adam Jamal Craig
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Adam Jamal Craig (talk) 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Jamal Craig (talk • contribs)
- @Liz to save you looking -- the article was Adam Jamal Craig, PRODded by @Primefac. No comment on merit as I've not reviewed Star Mississippi 01:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Adam,
- You are fortunate. Wikipedia has 3 forms of deletion, Speedy Deletion, Proposed Deletion and AFD Deletion Discussions. Restoring an article can range from being simple to being close-to-impossible. The article you are concerned about was a Proposed Deletion (or PROD) and that can be restored upon request, which I have done. However, the article still might be nominated for a deletion discussion or AFD because the article right now is very weak and has poor sourcing. You or your representation should not edit the article as you have a conflict-of-interest. But it really needs some valid references to establish your notability. This is typically done through independent, secondary sources from mainsteam newspapers, journals, books, websites, etc. that provide significant coverage of you and your career. Do you have a website where you list media coverage? That would make the process easier.
- Two more things. If you have questions about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, you are encouraged to bring them to the Teahouse. There experienced editors can address your questions and concerns about the project's complicated processes. And, second, you are commended for not being angry about this article deletion or taking it personally. It can be very difficult to demonstrate notability as Wikipedia defines it (see WP:NACTOR) and every day, hundreds of articles and drafts are deleted. Again, you shouldn't edit the article but you are welcome to share any sources on the article talk page and, hopefully, an editor can added them into the article. What we don't want to see is blatant advertising or promotion which can result in another deletion that is much less likely to be restored. Let me know if you have any questions or you can take them to the Teahouse. Liz Read! Talk! 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. Thanks for the link, Star Mississippi. Liz Read! Talk! 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz! Hope you've had a good day. Would you reconsider this since the creator has now been CU blocked? If not, totally understand and happy to take it to MfD. Thanks either way cc @DoubleGrazing Star Mississippi 01:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Star Mississippi,
- Done I'm kind of a stickler for verifying CSD G5 as many overeager editors will tag articles for deletion when they simply file an SPI case. I just want to see a) that the page creator is a confirmed sockpuppet and b) that the block-evading editor is identified. In some cases, Checkusers do not identify the block evading account and I turn those requests down. I know other admins aren't so strict about G5s but when I first became an admin, I was less rigorous about the CSD criteria and got rightly chastized for that. I don't know about you but I always remember the times when my admin decisions are critiqued by senior admins when I first got the mop. Liz Read! Talk! 02:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. It all makes sense. Thankfully there is progress being made with the SPI backlog which will make all of our lives easier.
- I totally understand your decision, and hope it didn't come across as not. Just wanted to save us seven days of MfD if the info was now resolved to your satisfaction but didn't want to re-tag over your decline. Unfortunately I think we'll be seeing more of this draft.. Have a good evening and you're totally welcome re: link above. No treasure hunts needed. Star Mississippi 02:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- At least "overeager" is not the worst thing I've been called. Ho hum. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, DoubleGrazing, I wasn't referring to you, not at all. It's a comment coming from 10 years editing on the project, not about any editor specifically. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Liz Read! Talk! 06:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 6 § Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Quick help request[edit]
Hi - I hope you don't mind my contacting you; I'm doing so simply becaause you came up top on the 'recently active admins' list. There's an article Pumi dog that is blanked out because of an alleged copyvio, which concerns a single sentence where the wording followed that of the American Kennel Club breed standard. Unfortunately the reporting editor has placed the flag at the top of the article, rather than in the relevant section, thus removing the entire article from view. I've followed procedure and posted an amended version of the article, which deals with the matter, at Talk:Pumi dog/Temp, and I hope it's just a question of an admin copying this back to the main page and removing the flag? But this has been pending now for five days, and with the world's biggest dog show starting tomorrow, this is a period when dog breed pages always get more views. Could you or one of your colleagues kindly drop by here and take a look, please? Thanks in anticipation.... MapReader (talk) 08:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello MapReader (talk) 06:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, MapReader,
- I apologize for the delay in responding to your query. It looks like an involved discussion has been occurring at Talk:Pumi dog#Regarding removal of content.. To be honest, the only times I deal with issues of copyright violations is when there is a blatant copyright violation in an article that has been tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G12. I recommend you go to MER-C, an admin who regularly handles copyright issues. They have already commented on Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2024 March 2. MER-C has experience on this subject that I do not possess and I think they would be a better judge of what is possible. Since this has been brought to an investigation page, I can't just revert the actions of the other editor as an inquiry is currently in process. There is also an issue of content attribution and I'm not sure it's appropriate to just use your new version over the existing, problematic version. MER-C would be a better judge on this proposal.
- I'm really not blowing you off, I'm sending you to someone who could possible offer you the help you are requesting. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 03:00, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
Dear Liz, I have noticed you do consistently wonderful work on categories, but you have just rolled back my edit at VB-4 and I wonder if there may be some mistake. If you review Chapter 1 at the linked page - https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/naval-aviation-history/dictionary-of-american-naval-aviation-squadrons-volume-1.html, you will find that at the height of the Pacific War in World War II, U.S. Navy aircraft carriers were operating a number of Bombing Squadrons, the most famous being the ones that fought at Midway and Coral Sea. All of these squadrons were redesignated several times over, and many now have articles within Category:Strike fighter squadrons of the United States Navy under their later VFA designations. But to link them properly when they fought the Japanese, a new category will be necessary - this category which I have created. I believe it will easily surpass 20 entries. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Buckshot06,
- If you disagree with my edit, just revert it. I just saw a category that only contained a redirect and redirect categories are rather optional. But if I acted incorrectly, just undo what I did. I'm not a subject matter expert here. Liz Read! Talk! 08:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Please specify deletion reason[edit]
Talk:Xianfeng Gu Article Talk Read Edit Add topic View history Tools From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Why is Xianfeng Gu the only missing page for Morningside Gold Medalist? What are the criteria for creating Xianfeng Gu (born Nov 2, 1970) page in Wikipedia? Chinese Wikipedia page for Xianfeng Gu presently contains contents that deviate from the original contributor's intention but "somehow was inserted" by a group of seemingly more than 10 (a "Japanese" wiki bot, somehow, too) zh-wiki users (that are changing and on average use more than 4 simplified zh accounts with Japanese "real" person names, with targeted interest in HK, TW, Dalian, graphics, computational chemistry/topology) including a user ID Shizhao publicly demonstrating (DBLP/Google Scholar) academic tie to Microsoft (Xianfeng Gu's student Wei Zeng) possessing publications in CVPR (Xianfeng Gu a many-time program committee member, general chair, reviewer for CVPR). Competitive (Chinese Olympiad) chemistry base is in Jilin University (guided by Yanbo Sun with serious connection to Dalian University of Technology where Xianfeng Gu works heavily with a high-rank Secretary Na Lei Professor connected to Yanbo Sun as of 2023 which has been and is of course open information to chemical Olympiad competitors) Already in wikidata. Harvard CS PhD 2003 (Gortler & Yau) Harvard CS Master 1996-1997 (Mumford) graduate fellowship Tsinghua TCS 1994 (1989-) undergraduate fellowship 216.165.211.223 (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: The above is a WP:CIR issue and logged-out editing. See Sadaijin, 45.58.95.7 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), and 216.165.211.223 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). They have made bizarre edits like this and this. — MarkH21talk 11:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Badun page deletion[edit]
Hello Liz
This is in regard to the page deletion for the danish music group Badun, which I would like to dispute.
Badun is most certainly a very notable danish music group. They have existed for 20+ years and released 10+ albums, which are available in both physical and digital format:
https://www.discogs.com/artist/247091-Badun
They have been well covered and reviewed in the media and played several hundred concerts around the world, and they have collaborated with and inspired many artists.
A quick search on google for 'Badun' yields a first page almost exclusively with results about the band, which should validate its existence and wide notoriety:
Sincerely Janus Janusnovak (talk) 14:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Janusnovak,
- Sorry for the delay in responding to your query. Badun was deleted through a Proposed deletion so it can be restored upon request. I can either do this or you can make a request at WP:REFUND and the admins there will handle it. Please know that the article can still be nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion but this would give you time to improve the article and participate in a discussion and put forward your argument. Just let me know what you would like to do. Liz Read! Talk! 02:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you could make the request to restore it for me, that would be wonderful, thank you. :) 83.89.251.164 (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you could make the request to restore it for me, that would be wonderful, thank you. :) Janusnovak (talk) 14:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Bundled / Not bundled AFD[edit]
As the closing admin, could you have a look at Women's Bangladesh Premier League? Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Whpq,
- There was a problem as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2025 Women's Bangladesh Premier League wasn't set up appropriately as a bundled nomination, the other article was just thrown into the deletion nomination. So, XFDcloser didn't delete it when the discussion was closed. But an editor later tagged Women's Bangladesh Premier League for speedy deletion and since the editors participating in the AFD were in favor of deleting both articles, I went ahead with that deletion.
- I wasn't 100% comfortable to handling it this way but it's fairly common that AFD nominators don't set up bundled nominations appropriately (more the rule than the exception) and the consensus did seem to favor deletion. There is already a draft at Draft:Women's Bangladesh Premier League that was created before the AFD closed so perhaps an improved version will eventually be approved. I hope this addresses your concern. Liz Read! Talk! 02:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Damage done by User:Fhektii[edit]
Hello Liz, hopefully you are doing good. Although, usually questions are asked on the Teahouse, however, since you are familiar with the case, I thought I should ask you. Hopefully you won't mind.
This was my first time, as you might have noticed, so initially I was just going around. I saw the edit history of the User:Fhektii, I saw the deletion discussions, for crafting my own comment. In the process what I discovered was that there were few very old accounts that were commenting for deletion, however, to the best of my knowledge, it seemed that they were ignoring WP:GNG and WP:GNP. I don't want to assume anything bad about any one, maybe I have missed something or misunderstood, if you could find the time and look into it. I will be truly grateful. Thank you. (talk) 00:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, talk,
- Could you specify which AFD(s) you are concerned about? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 02:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am concerned about a senior editor. User:Oaktree b.
- S/he/they commented for delete, on almost half of the User:Fhektii nominated for deletion. On the pages Sharon Tay and Jennifer Gilbert specifically, are not making sense to me. Not assuming bad about him, maybe I have misunderstood. Thanks. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 00:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Leila Feinstein[edit]
Hello, it appears you may have mistakenly soft deleted the page Leila Feinstein. I don't think it was eligible, as it had previously been nominated in the Fidel Vargas batch. Unless there's some kind of misunderstanding on my part. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse,
- Yes, you are absolutely correct. I didn't catch that. I will revert my actions. Thanks for your sharp eye. Liz Read! Talk! 05:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Beck Bottom AfD close[edit]
Hallo Liz, thanks for closing the AfD, but why "Merge", rather than "Redirect"? There is no content not included in Lowick, Cumbria other than the coordinates and an image. PamD 06:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, ignore that: I now see it didn't previously have a mention, so its existence needed to be merged! PamD 06:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, PamD,
- I'm glad you found your answer. In the discussion comments, at least one editor proposed a Merge and while editors can recover content when an artice is transformed into a Redirect, it's easier if you close a discussion as Merge. Plus, after any usable content is removed, the page then does become a Redirect which is the result you seem to have wanted. I think I'm a very neutral closer but I do favor an ATD if one is proposed, if only to repurpose content from weak and unwanted articles to other articles where it might provide some value. Liz Read! Talk! 02:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024)[edit]
Hi Liz, Thankyou for closing the AfD on this and reverting the article per AfD.
However, I believe the AfD called for more than a simple content reversion within the page. The article was renamed by User:Tedgrant1917 ([[14]]), and the article requires moving back to the title Socialist Appeal (Britain), since the article is about Socialist Appeal. Unfortunately because it is still at the title Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024), editors have continued attempting to rewrite the article about RCP, which is non-notable (and doesn't even exist at this point). I am unable to complete this move as Socialist Appeal (Britain) has multiple revisions and therefore a normal editor cannot complete the move.
I may have caused confusion here by stating "Keep, Sort of" in that I was advocating to keep the edit history, more than the title. The content needed reverting, but so did the title.
Per the AfD, would you be able to :
- Revert Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024) back to [edit] on March 7th.
- Move Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024) to Socialist Appeal (Britain)
In either case, it's clearly inappropriate for the article about Socialist Appeal to be under the title RCP, and people will continue to try and replace the logo and change the article contents if it's under that title. TedGrant has caused a right cluster-fudge by usurping/rebranding the original article instead of just creating a new one (which would have failed NPP).
Thanks Hemmers (talk) 09:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Hemmers,
- While I could do what you ask, I hesitate to take on more action than came out of the consensus for this AFD. When a closer goes beyond the community consensus, it's called a supervote and the closer can be taken to AN/ANI when they do this which I'd like to avoid.
- I'd recommend you taking this request to Wikipedia:Requested moves and asking the editors/admins there to consider your request. They are experts at evaluating move proposals and dealing with existing page histories and I'd trust them to know what they are doing. The page moves I do are rather simple affairs and this is more complicated. I'd also be interested in hearing their assessment of your plan.
- I don't mean to discourage you, this might not be a big deal, I just think that the editors who patrol RM would be better to assess this than I am. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Liz,
- Thankyou for the considered response. However, I'm a little confused because the consensus clearly went further than just "revert the content". All bar one of the "Keep" votes was actually "Keep as per Hemmers" or "Keep and restore as per Hemmers". So the restoration of the page title as described in my proposal does seem to be the consensus of the AfD. What's been done so far - reverting the content - is somewhat "half a job". I can take it to RM if you prefer, but from my understanding of the discussion, the following was the accepted consensus:
- Keep Sort of. But revert to 17 December 2023, when it was actually a moderately well-sourced article about a long-standing publication/movement (the Socialist Appeal) (done). Then merge the latest edit of Socialist Appeal (Britain) back on top of it and delete that article (not done). Then move the entire stack (with edit history) back to Socialist Appeal (Britain) where it belongs (not done). I'm at an absolute loss as to what the blazing nonsense has gone on with this article. They've moved a long-standing article, blanked it and rebranded it, and then someone's copied the old content into a new article using the old name!?! A quick hunt back through the History shows it is notable - they've just removed all the references to the former name, instead of creating a new article for the new name/body (which likely wouldn't pass NPP). Failing all that, Delete, it's just a shame to lose the edit history for Socialist Appeal (Britain), which is currently underneath this article. Hemmers (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hemmers (talk) 08:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Volvexzshawa[edit]
I want to request a review on article on Artist Volvexzshawa the reason for it's deletion was because it lacked enough reference and required more time to be updated with reliable sources of reverence and with my research I do believe the artist is a Notable person and a pioneer in the Kenyan Hiphop Music cited sources across Nigeria National Newspapers and Kenya National Newspapers and Television notability Teresia Akinyi Achilo (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Teresia Akinyi Achilo,
- You are talking about Volvexzshawa, right? It helps to provide a link to the article you are concerned about. To appeal the closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Volvexzshawa, you would need to go to Wikipedia:Deletion review file a request there. Please review the instructions and follow them.
- DRV is for if you think I didn't close the discussion appropriately, so it's about my closure, not about the value of this article. The only way I know to overcome a "Delete" AFD decision is to write a new draft, addressing the problems coming up in the AFD, and submitting it to Articles for Creation for review. If you move a new version directly into main space, it will likely be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4 which is what happened the last time it was deleted.
- If you have general questions about article creation and Wikipedia's deletion processes, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of Dell monitors[edit]
Hello, I just noticed and was quite surprised that the article mentioned in the title got deleted. I used that page multiple times in the past as reference, and I was not the only one. I personally do not agree with the deletion, and I'd like to elaborate why that is.
The most often mentioned reason in the discussion is WP:NOTCATALOG. I have looked into said ruleset. It is not a simple listing because it explains what the different numbers in the model number mean, and shows a comparison between model years of different series of models. They are not loosely associated, what is listed is exactly defined in the title. The points 3. through 6. are pretty obviously not involved with this.
It's also not a "brochure-style advertisement", listing of (industry standard) specifications is not an advertisement and the text sections are written as neutral as possible.
"Largely unreferenced, and most of the references provided are primary sources from Dell's support site." I don't see how it would have to be done differently for a page that contains lists of technical products. It's like that for other list pages for technical devices as well. Also, there's pretty much no better source for the specifications of a product than its manufacturer, because if they lied, they'd be liable.
As for the notability of said products, Dell has consistently been the largest manufacturer of monitors for the past decade. Coming back to the example of Samsung, it would be like claiming a list of Samsung Galaxy devices is not notable despite them being the largest manufacturer of smartphones for years. And that's also why there are lists for the Galaxy Z, S, A, M, F, XCover, Note, J and Y series.
I'm not in favor of keeping pages just for the sake of it. This page has been legitimately useful for people, including me and those mentioned, and I don't think it's only the three of us using this page for a reference, especially because it goes back so far, which is information hard to come by nowadays. Punkt64 (talk) 20:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- What I would like to address in further detail is the argument of lack of sources. There are many reviews of individual models (often but not only of the higher end Ultrasharp series) on the internet and youtube. Those could be added in a section for reception for example, here are some
- https://uk.pcmag.com/monitors/140669/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe
- https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-4k-monitors/
- https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/dell-ultrasharp-38-curved-usb-c-hub-monitor-review/
- https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell
- Their monitor series also includes some products that are rather unique in the market, for example some models with 8K resolution, reviewed many times including popular YouTube channel Marques Brownlee.
- And to clarify, someone in the deletion discussion mentioned that the article does not show why this is just another monitor manufacturer. That's why I referenced and said that Dell has been the single biggest manufacturer of monitors for the past decade. That link and statement could also be included in the article to show the relevance. Punkt64 (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Punkt64,
- I actually have no opinion about this article. I closed the deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dell monitors and the opinion was unanimous for Deletion. Please read over the arguments in the AFD to see why the participating editors believed the article should be deleted. If you do not think I read the consensus correctly, then you may appeal the closure at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Ordinarily, I normally make an offer to restore the article to Draft space so that it can be improved but the very nature of this article, which was basically a product catalog, is unlikely to be changed by editing. Additionally, the article was full of templates about Dell products and those templates have since been deleted.
- If you want an article on this subject, I think your best route is to start over by writing a draft article in your User space, like your Sandbox, or in Draft space. That, and deletion review, are the two options I see as the consensus was clear and I can not revert the closure based on any arguments you make here. I'm sorry but my role is to interpret the consensus in a discussion, not advocate for articles. Liz Read! Talk! 20:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well if you say the article in its current form will not be accepted by editing then what use is a Deletion review? I don't know the exact procedures of english wikipedia, I'm usually editing in german wikipedia.
- As I do not have the energy or time right now to write a completely new article, a relatively large one at that, I'd like to recreate it in my space for personal use. The missing template is a problem. Is there any way to get this into the user space and then use it? It is not saved in the wayback machine. I know of no way to get it back without rewriting it myself. Punkt64 (talk) 21:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Or better yet, you said you could restore it to draft space. Is it possible for you to restore it to my user draft space, together with the template? That would be very nice and useful. As I said not necessarily for publishing at the moment but for personal use. I have tried it myself but that was from a wayback save from 6th May of 2023, so probably not the most current version. And it also lacked the template which makes half of the article unreadable. Punkt64 (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Punkt64, I'd be willing to restore it to your User space so you could view it. I'm not sure about restoring all of the templates. Just know that if you move it back into main space, it will be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4 as an article previously deleted in an AFD deletion discussion. The only way I know to overcome an AFD Delete decision is to write a draft and submit it to AFC. I understand that the English Wikipedia does have a truckload of policies and guidelines that are especially confusing to new or infrequent editors. I'll look into that restoration later tonight. Liz Read! Talk! 02:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Or better yet, you said you could restore it to draft space. Is it possible for you to restore it to my user draft space, together with the template? That would be very nice and useful. As I said not necessarily for publishing at the moment but for personal use. I have tried it myself but that was from a wayback save from 6th May of 2023, so probably not the most current version. And it also lacked the template which makes half of the article unreadable. Punkt64 (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
G4 in draft space[edit]
Hi Liz, you've a couple of times (most recently just now, at Draft:Ricky Guillart) declined my G4 request on the basis that G4 doesn't apply in the draft space. Could you please point me to where it says that, so I can understand the rules better? Looking at WP:G4, my reading is that this is true only when the content has been draftified, whereas eg. the Ricky Guillart draft was created in draft space from the outset. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, DoubleGrazing,
- When you are a new admin, there are two ways to learn what decisions you should make as an admin. One is reviewing policy and guidelines. The second is seeing how more experienced admins act and adopting their practices. My action about CSD G4s in Draft space might fall under the latter group. Unless the draft is identical to the deleted article or is vandalism, drafts are typically untagged if they are labeled CSD G4s. The reason why is that there should be a way for an edtor to write on an article subject that has been deleted through AFD and write an improved and better article. If all drafts were subject to CSD G4s, we'd never be able to accept well-written articles on subjects that had once been deleted through AFD.
- If this point isn't stated in CSD policy, I'm sure it's been a subject of discussion (probably multiple times) on the CSD talk page and I'll search for that later tonight. If I can't find it, then I think it is worth starting a new discussion on CSD Talk to make that clear. The only aspect that I'm sure of is that I'm not the only admin to handle CSD G4s in Draft space in this way. So, if I'm incorrect, it's not just my behavior that needs to change but the other administrators who patrol CSD categories. Liz Read! Talk! 00:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, no worries, Liz. I just thought maybe I'd overlooked something obvious, but it seems more of a grey area? In any case, I'm not here to argue with admins' decisions, whether I think they're right or wrong; you guys take enough flak as it is, for doing a difficult job (that I wouldn't do, even if offered!), and I for one don't need to be making it any more difficult. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Undo deletion of Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar)[edit]
Mrs Liz, please undo the deletion of Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar). It is a party that is going to contest in the national elections as part of a major national alliance in a few months. The party has seats in the national parliament and seats in multiple state assemblies. There is no reason to delete it.
The name can be adjusted to Nationalist Congress Party — Sharadchandra Pawar since that is the name accepted by the Supreme Court. MrMkG (talk) 09:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, MrMkG,
- While my closure on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar) was tentative, the consensus I saw was that the article content was inaccurate and if an article exists on this subject, it should be rewritten. Please review the comments made in the AFD. So, I closed the discussion as Delete. I don't think another relisting would increase the participation and because some editors actually thought the information in the article was false, I'm unwilling to restore this article to Draft space.
- I see two options for you. If you disagree with my assessment of the consensus of the discussion, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Please know that this discussion will not be an opportunity for you to argue that the article subject is notable, the discussion will focus on my actions and the closure of the discussion and whether that was correct. The other option is to start a new draft in Draft space and submit it to WP:AFC for review. This is necessary when an article has been deleted through an AFD because another article on this subject put into main space can be speedy deleted, CSD G4. I think that is the most productive route to take but it's up to you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Or you can just restore it so that editors can correct it if it has false information like it is normally done. Why are you unwilling to restore it? Articles aren't deleted for being incorrect, they are corrected. I don't care for the merits of your actions or all the bureaucracy. I've seen it takes far too long. There is an upcoming election and an major party has gotten its article deleted. MrMkG (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
AfD discussion[edit]
Hi! The note you dropped on my talk has gotten some engagement. Flagging that, but also User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Related_issue. Nothing wrong with your relists, you followed procedure. I did not on the close, but I always like to drop a note when I mention people. It's the same discussion we' ve had a lot. It's ineligible for soft deletion, but if no one wants to retain it, why do we bother. Happy Friday! Star Mississippi 18:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to piggyback on this in re my AfD for The Garagiste Festivals, since it's another example of the same issue. Considering the total lack of engagement with this AfD, would there be any issue with a BOLD merge of notable, non-promotional into another article, or do I need to wait until the AfD closes? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, Star Mississippi, I usually don't join talk page discussions until the end of the day when I have more free time but I'll check out the discussion on your User talk page. I appreciate you letting me know about it as I don't check my pings.
- Just Another Cringy Username, please do not Merge content until the AFD is closed but if you want to go that route, please make sure you mention that in your AFD nomination statement so it's clear you are not seeking deletion. But we typically advise that while it's fine to improve articles while they are being discussed at an AFD, large content removals, Merges, Redirects or page moves can be disruptive.
- As a closer, if there is low participation, I typically like to let AFDs run at least two weeks although other closers will close them sooner so I'm not sure what will happen with this one. I've actually seen 3 or 4 editors jump into a discussion after 3 relistings so it's hard to predict what will happen. There are some subjects that draw a lot of participants, like contentious topics, subjects in the news and, for some reason, articles about places/towns, but most AFDs are suffering from a shortage of editors interested in participating. I'd estimate that we have half the number of participating editors in most AFDs than there were a year ago. It's an area of the project that many editors burn out on and I can understand why. An editor can spend an hour or more searching for reliable sources and then the AFD is closed as Delete. I'm sure it is very frustrating. But I can't think of an area where an individual editor can have more influence over the content of the project than participating thoughtfully in AFDs. Whether or not articles are Kept or Delete can often come down to one or two editors which, honestly, I don't think is optimal for the health of the project. Liz Read! Talk! 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Latest from @depthsofwiki Twitter account[edit]
Have you seen this? :) Owen× ☎ 20:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Owen×,
- No, I hadn't seen it, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Fifteen years ago, I spent as much time on Twitter as I do now on Wikipedia so I'm aware of the account but I just am not on the platform any more so I don't see their posts. I think they are on Instagram as well.
- It's very flattering but also a bit unsettling as I think most editors work without thinking that anyone is paying attention to what they are doing...unless they make a colossal mistake. And there are many editors/admins who work just as much if not more than I do. I think about editors/admins who create Featured Articles, dig into unearthing sockfarms, handle disputes on Contentious Topics and manage the AE noticeboard and, most of all, those editors who take on the thankless task of investigating copyright concerns. They are heroes to me. The work I do does fall under the rubric of "maintenance" as unglamorous as that sounds, that's what the mop is for. I guess I find it satisfying cleaning out the unwanted pages and welcoming new editors. I just think it is so important what that "first contact" is with newbies, it can drive them away, muttering under their breath about what a bureaucratic hellhole Wikipedia is, or encourage them to spend more time here and try to pick up all of the rules and policies. I think we forget that with experienced editors moving on and retiring, we have a constant need for competent new editors and you never know which ones will turn into those editors who write articles on some subject that is missing from the project.
- But thanks for letting me know, it's kind of like getting a barnstar only in front of an audience. Liz Read! Talk! 00:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Talent economy (disambiguation)[edit]
Can you please bring back Talent economy (disambiguation)?
WP:G14 was not applicable because there were two links to existing articles: One to 10x Management and one to Andrew S. Rosen. Up the Walls (talk) 15:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Up the Walls,
- These two articles might mention the Talent economy phrase in the body of the article because it is part of a title of a book but this term is not part these articles' page titles or a main subject which is what disambiguation pages are for. They just happen to mention a book that has Talent economy in the book title. For further guidance, please review Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Specific instances and Wikipedia:Disambiguation#What not to include or you can inquire about disambiguation pages at the Teahouse. But in my eyes, this was an appropriate speedy deletion tagging.
- If you disagree with the tagging and deletion of this page, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review and see if the editors there agree with you. Personally, if was me, I would create Talent economy as a Redirect page and use one of these articles as the target page, including a hatnote to reference the other article rather than create a disambiguation page. But you are free to take what action you feel is appropriate. Liz Read! Talk! 23:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Undeletion of Taiwan editing tips[edit]
Please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan 1000/Editing Tips where you were pinged. Jay 💬 17:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Alpine Junction[edit]
Hi, can you please tell me which page Alpine Junction redirected to? Kk.urban (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Kk.urban,
- That page was a redirect to Alpine, Mendocino County, California which was deleted by PROD. The only edit to this page was one creating this redirect. This page creator created a lot of articles about small towns that have since been deleted along with many redirects to them. I hope this addresses your question. Liz Read! Talk! 22:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Dear Mrs. @Liz, please delete user page such as User:Ayig2 because CSD G1. Thanks. 36.78.197.67 (talk) 22:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 36.78.197.67
- I'm not sure why the content bothers you so. I just blanked the page, not all User pages with gibberish need to be deleted. I hope this addresses your concern. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Dr. Squatch[edit]
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dr. Squatch. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 108.49.72.125 (talk) 05:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Some bubble tea for you![edit]
Thank you for all the work you do. I find your contributions to one of the largest free online encyclopedia amazing. Thank you for all that you do. Maxb133 (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
Jeff Wise Article Deletion[edit]
Hi Liz, Why was the Jeff Wise article deleted? I'm a new user, so I'm not super familiar with the nuances of this website. Maxb133 (talk) 06:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Maxb133,
- As a discussion closer, I assess the consensus of the discussion. If you read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Wise you can see the arguments editors put forward for why this article should be deleted. After you have read it over, return here and tell me if you now understand. Would you like to create a new article on this subject?
- If you have questions about AFDs and Wikipedia's deletion processes, please bring them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice, support and a second opinion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, could you restore Draft:Musk v. OpenAI? The deletion discussion ended in a redirect, but I believe there is enough to meet GNG. I would like to work on it and resubmit. Best, Thriley (talk) 22:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Thriley,
- You've been around here long enough to know that I can't just revert a AFD consensus decision, especially when no editors were arguing to Keep this article. But since it is a Redirect, the content is still all there. You could move the page to Draft space, creating a Redirect in its place, where you could work on improving the article. Sound good? Liz Read! Talk! 03:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
G5 for non-EC users creating ECP articles?[edit]
What is the current status of using G5 to speedy delete articles in ECP topics (in this case, the Arab-Israeli conflict) created by users not yet EC? Should these pages be marked for deletion, and if yes, what is the correct way to do so? I didn't want to imply that the creator was a sockpuppet, I'm sorry. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Chaotic Enby,
- If this is the case, it shouldn't get a CSD G5 tag, tag it instead with {{db-gs}}. I'm not sure if this is programmed into Twinkle yet. Liz Read! Talk! 03:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, I'll tag the article correctly! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, to be honest, very few editors, even page patrollers, know about this speedy deletion code. I only know of two editors who have correctly tagged articles that fit the criteria. Now you are one of them! Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Always happy to learn! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, to be honest, very few editors, even page patrollers, know about this speedy deletion code. I only know of two editors who have correctly tagged articles that fit the criteria. Now you are one of them! Liz Read! Talk! 03:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, I'll tag the article correctly! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Required help 🙄[edit]
Respected Mam can you please 🙏 help me inprove Draft:Yash Shah (contortionist) and make it fit for article space. Mam I had tried my best as much as I can able. But mam now I don't able understand how to improve it further.. So I request you please help me.. Tablasingh (talk) 04:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Tablasingh,
- First, I don't work on article or draft creation. Second, could you provide me with a link to the article you are talking about? Then I can look at it. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 04:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Draft:Yash_Shah_(contortionist) Mam please 🙏 try to help me. Tablasingh (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Template redirect deletion[edit]
Hi @Liz: Can you delete this: "Template:People of the German Rote Kapelle resistance group". Another another renamed that template wrongly and I put a G8 on it. I'm not sure if the G8 is applicable. I moved the the template name to something else accidently. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 08:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Liz, its been done by Fastily. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 09:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Creation of the page Delonte Hood[edit]
Just saw this page was deleted two months ago for "Appears to fail WP:SPORTCRIT, cannot find any significant coverage and none shown in article." If I can fix the problem and provide significant coverage about his player could I create this article again? (said If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.). Thank You ! Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Danjobilly1,
- Can you give me a link to the page you are talking about? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- sorry about that. Here Delonte Hood Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Danjobilly1,
- No problem. This was a Proposed deletion so it can be restored upon request. I can restore it to main space, where it might be tagged for AFD deletion (it's a possibility) or to your User space or Draft space if you would prefer a chance to look it over. Let me know what you would like. Liz Read! Talk! 17:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Could you restore it to main space? I can make the necessaryessisary changed from there. Thank you ! Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- sorry about that. Here Delonte Hood Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Danjobilly1,
- I see you already recreated this article. But I restored the previous edits which you can check out in case you wanted to know what the original content on the page was. Sorry for the delay. Liz Read! Talk! 19:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Please[edit]
Would you please restore Draft:Camp Lambec. --evrik (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Moving Justin Jin (entrepreneur) to Justin Jin[edit]
hello Liz. just accepted this out of AfC, but I'm unable to move it without the disambiguator. i noticed you were the editor who protected it -- there appears to be a draft at Draft:Justin Jin, but it is about a different subject, and not currently in the mainspace. could you move these? thank you. She was afairy 06:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Shewasafairy,
- Well, I handled this backwards as I only saw your message now. I lifted page protection, then saw that Justin Jin (entrepreneur) is being discussed at an AFD so it shouldn't be moved unless it is Kept. I should have checked first as the page title appears to me in a pink font, signaling that it has been tagged for deletion or deletion discussion. Sorry for the tardy response. Liz Read! Talk! 19:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Just sent you an email[edit]
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Danthemedguy22 (talk) 21:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello. Could I get your advice on the propriety of adding a new page a little late (see the section note to closing admin). Could the AfD be relisted? Local Variable (talk) 00:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Could I ask you to clarify your rationale on this close. It looks entirely like no consensus to me. I see no good reason why greater weight should be given to those who believe deputy ministers do not meet the criteria of WP:POLITICIAN, when the position is, as you yourself say, unclear. Thanks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Please restore Elvira Vikhareva's page[edit]
Hello, my name is Evgeny Galitskiy, I am writing to you on behalf of my close friend and a Russian oppositional politician Elvira Vikhareva whose page was removed and put in drafts.
This was done after a message from a user Anatoliy Rosdashin (Анатолий Росдашин) whom neither Elvira, nor I don't know. In the piece of code that Rosdashin submitted, he added to Evira's name a derogatory word "bobroedka" (literally translates from Russian as "beaver eater" and is often used when referred to a different person, a Russian propaganda journalist Margarita Simonyan).
Also, Rosdashin mentioned that Elvira is a "too small and insignificant politician according to WP:POLITICS". This is not true, because Elvira is a well-known oppositional political figure and political journalist based in Moscow, Russia. She ran for a member of the Moscow Municipal Board in 2021, runs her popular YouTube channel where she interviews important russian politicians, journalists and political scientists.
In 2022 Elvira was unjustly deemed a Foreign Agent by the Russian government. Besides that, she has been many times persecuted by the Russian authorities for her political views, physically attacked by people affiliated with the Russian government and poisoned with a neural agent.
All of this shows that Elvira Vikhareva is an important person in russian political life and her Wikipedia page deserves to be restored.
Elvira asked me to write this message to you, because she fears that her account will be deleted from Wikipedia if she does it herself.
Please restore her Wikipedia page.
Thank you. Gha665 (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
A bowl of strawberries for you![edit]
Thank you for all your work as an admin. I often notice you checking the history of articles and sending friendly notes to users. I share this habit and always pay attention to article history, so it’s great to see others who respect it as well. – DreamRimmer (talk) 02:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC) |
AFD advice[edit]
Hi, I can see you are very busy so I hesitated to say something. I saw you involved in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Lozupone, and I am unsure how to deal with an editor who I believe is not paying attention to policy and I know another admin here [15] also told them to pay more attention when reverting changes, and you advised the user on their talk page too about closing AFDs, so I wanted to get input. I have been trying to improve the article at AFD, and the user removed some sources, some were not great sources, but also put a lot of citation needed in the first paragraph even though the second paragraph and further provide sources that show these things to be the case.
According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section it is common to not need citations in the lead section. I saw that for clarity many pages had stuff in the first section that was backed by citations in the later body, I tried to do that but maybe I did not know the correct procedure. This user also removed some titles from citations for no reason I see, and changed some text to be say something other than what the citation says. Because I created the article even though I was not the only editor, I have been told I can not be that involved so I want another opinion especially an admin who is involved with this AFD. I do not want to edit war over this but the user left a weird message about neutral point of view on my talk page and honestly I am getting frustrated at this whole thing and do not want to act out. Thank you very much if you can offer advice. I would understand if you can not or if I did something off, but I would like to improve the article more maybe but this makes it more difficult. I will see your reply if you reply here. ThreeBootsInABucket (talk) 04:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Nissan TD engine[edit]
Hi, you helped me regarding this article in the past. I just submitted a draft at Draft:Nissan TD engine; just thought I ought to notify you since you deleted the original article. Thanks, Mr.choppers | ✎ 15:55, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Dalberg advisors notability[edit]
Hello,
I've seen that the page on development consultancy firm Dalberg has been deleted a few weeks ago, because I'm working on an article that linked to it (Advance market commitment). I did some google searches, and found a few sources that seem relevant: Business Daily (2010) - devex.com (2011) - Consultancy.uk (2015) - leral.net (2017) - Kenyans.co.ke (2019) - The Star (2023) - The Ken (2023) - Forbes India (2023) - African Shapers (2023). Do you think these sources could together plausibly satisfy notability criteria? If so, what is the correct procedure to start a discussion about this, or start rewriting the article in a more neutral way?
Thanks a lot for your help! – Ejowan (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you restore this so that it can be merged to the appropriate article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC).
Thank you![edit]
Hi Liz, thanks for answering my question on that other page re: one vs. three. That's life changing! I've been spending much too much time going through every single source at NPP, AfC and in BEFOREs. Doing reviews can sometimes get exhausting, esp. with such a big backlog or when an article or draft is massively refbombed. I was even translating sources before evaluating them. Good to know only ONE is needed. Thanks again for making volunteering a little bit lighter. Happy Spring, Netherzone (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Draft:Korvi Rakshand to move as main atricle[edit]
Hello Liz, following your instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 394 , I have worked with Draft:Korvi Rakshand, can you please review it and move as main article.--IqbalHossain (talk) 07:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
All the speedy[edit]
Is it legit moves that somebody mass removal the articles from the cat and then blank the cat page, and then you speedy it? I mean the action by user:Boubloub. Probably i have no time to investigate who is mass removing the article from cat. Matthew hk (talk) 10:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it is the same guy Special:Diff/1214077855. Matthew hk (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#WP:ADMINACCT demand from Rajeshthapaliya -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, -- Deepfriedokra,
- I appreciate the notice since I don't frequent noticeboards as I did in my Wikipedia youth. Liz Read! Talk! 20:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
FWIW, he's indeffed w/o TPA. Meh -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, -- Deepfriedokra,
- Yes, I know. When deleting expired drafts though I kind of let Twinkle do its thing and post notices unless I'm aware that an editor has been indefinitely blocked. But thanks for the reminder. Liz Read! Talk! 20:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Regarding Timeline of United States inventions (1946–1991)[edit]
You concluded Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of United States inventions (1946–1991) by deleting the article per the apparent consensus, which was part of the series Timeline of United States inventions. This leaves a bizarre gap, e.g. Timeline of United States inventions (1890–1945) and Timeline of United States inventions (after 1991) both still exist. I was led here by comparison with List of Japanese inventions and discoveries, which also continues to exist. The consensus on the AfD seems mixed, with some suggestions that the content was just badly organized.
It seems to me the correct course of action is instead to clean up the original article. This middle ground, where a large chunk of a timeline is simply missing, is quite glaring. Would this be possible, and what might it entail? Jemidiah (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I was tagging this as G11 as "userpage being used only for promotion or publicity, with a username that promotes or implies affiliation with the entity being promoted" as in the userspace of User:Charliesouz. We also already have an article at Charlie Souza which also appears to have been an autobiography. AusLondonder (talk) 08:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gessius Florus[edit]
Hello, I don't know many prolific afd closers as you're the only one that came to mind. I would like to ask for your assistance/input in this afd I created of a Roman fella. I asked around and the only answer I got was he's notable cause he existed 2000 years ago but doesn't pass GNG. I'm asking this cause I've never seen an afd of a person like this and would like to know the way forward. Many thanks in advance. Serrwinner (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Serrwinner,
- I assume you are talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gessius Florus and it looks like the consensus right now is that this article should be Kept. I'm not sure what help you are looking for. If I were you, I read the responses of participating editors and see why they believe the article shouldn't be Deleted. If it's any consolation, I think of the articles I've nominated for AFD discussions over the past 10 years, I'd guess that about half have been deleted and half have been kept. Other editors often find sources that were not in the article before and our goal is to have better articles, so that is a win-win. Liz Read! Talk! 01:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Removal of my friend, Amy Varle who wrote ending homelessness strategy[edit]
Hello there Liz, good day to you. I was just writing an article for https://thepeopleshub.org for Ada Lovelace army project and went to link to Amy Varle's Wiki page and see you have deleted it? Why on earth have you done this? Susan 86.11.241.158 (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, 86.11.241.158,
- It's hard for me to know how to respond as you haven't provided a link to the page you are talking about and when I looked at your Contributions, there were not Deleted contributions. So, you must have edited with a different IP address or a registered account. You would really benefit from creating a registered account. Once you provide me with a link to the deleted page, then I can investigate and respond to your comment properly. Liz Read! Talk! 01:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Deleted Talk Page[edit]
I have a slight apology to offer for accidentally creating a talk page with a longer name than its article page, which was therefore an orphaned talk page. I was trying to create a subpage of a talk page, containing a draft RFC, and I left the slash character out, so it was an orphaned page rather than a legal subpage. There is no way that a reasonable admin could have guessed what I was trying to do (and following the rules is a reasonable course of action). So I think I am doing it correctly this time. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Robert McClenon,
- To be honest, I look at hundreds of pages every day so I'm not sure what page you are referring to. I regularly delete orphaned talk pages though. If it was a User space page, that is different but without knowing the page, it's hard for me to know what happened. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Lists of deaths C1[edit]
Hi - Just curious what the goal is here. Is it to eventually label Category:Lists of deaths by year C1? Gjs238 (talk) 01:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Gjs238,
- I don't think it makes sense to have a "Lists of..." category when there is only one list. Single page categories aren't very useful but it looks like monthly articles were created starting in the 1990s and so these latter categories are indeed "ListS". If you want to revert me, that's fine, I'll just bring it to CFD. I just didn't think anyone would object. Liz Read! Talk!