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Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 19:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kevin, why has this request not been declined? All 10 active arbitrators have voted, 4 in favor, 4 against, and 2 recuses. It would take 5 in favor to accept the case. Even AGK commented a few days ago that the case would be "removed in due course". Are we waiting for one of the arbitrators to change their mind? Or maybe you just haven't gotten a green light from the Committee. Although I have not made a statement (and won't), I'm personally in favor of anything that reduces the number of Fram-related discussions; of course, my "vote" doesn't count.Face-smile.svg --Bbb23 (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Bbb23, great to hear from you! I can confirm this request has been under active discussion with arbs and clerks on the clerks list for a day or so. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:56, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Kevin.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...
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... you were recipient
no. 1977 of Precious,
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Thank you for support #300 ;) - I came with flowers (see my talk) but the sapphire is just as precious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda, didn't even notice that it was #300 Face-smile.svg Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 22:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
And of course I mean User:Gerda Arendt and not User:Gerda Arebdt :-) Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 22:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Old user script request

Hi! How's it been going? Last year we talked briefly about a user script idea you had - visiting an oldid of a revision that was deleted would show an error, so this script would redirect you to the actual revision page. Is this script still needed? It looks like there's a link now for that purpose. Or maybe your request was about something else?

@Enterprisey: Oh wonderful! It's great to hear from you, Enterprisey. Be well, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Good to hear from you as well. So just checking, the script is now unnecessary? Enterprisey (talk!) 07:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

SARS outbreak revert

Few points:

  1. Even with your reasoning ("James Lau Tai-kwan was the doctor, and his widow survived him; that's what "survived by" means; see SCMP", the text is still a bit odd. The doctor isn't a disease.
  2. Is the SCMP a reliable source?
  3. There was a random (and rather odd) colon you also reverted the removal of.

Remagoxer (talk) 08:15, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Remagoxer: While I'm not too attached to the specific wording, the verb phrase wikt:be survived by's definition is given as "(of a deceased person) To leave behind (one or more family members)." The South China Morning Post is not only a generally reliable source (for matters not relating to the government of the People's Republic of China), but if I remember correctly, the statement is otherwise unsourced. And thanks for catching the colon. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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Edit filter helper request

I'd like to inform you of my request for edit filter helper rights, currently at Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard#EFH for DannyS712 (2). I'm leaving this note because you participated in the previous discussion at Wikipedia:Edit filter noticeboard/Archive 5#EFH right for DannyS712, and per policy I am supposed to notify you of this new request. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


Hi, I requested admin right for srwiki beta wiki on IRC. Best wishes. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 03:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Done, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)


This is about a page you deleted yesterday (here is draft). I did ask Tony who deleted "speedy" a previous and very different version of the page [1], but there is no answer. Here is my question. Do this page still clearly clarify for "speedy", after all changes? I think it does not. And in that case, can we just recreate the page and let it go through the normal AfD process if anyone still thinks it should be deleted? I do not think it should go to WP:DRV because it was not deleted through AfD. I think the discussion and closing on AN was proper and should not be disputed anywhere including WP:DRV, and let's not waste anyone's time. So, I am not sure what can or should be done here. Thank you! My very best wishes (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey @My very best wishes: I've considered this a bit and I'm going to take it up for review at DRV. Because we have a presumption of protecting BLPs, I don't think that a simple undelete is appropriate; nonetheless, I agree that there's a colorable argument it should be undeleted. Therefore, I'll {{TempUndelete}} this page and take it to DRV. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 19:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, I commented on DRV. My very best wishes (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Removal of my page mover right

I have completed the move of all VfD subpages to AfD subpages and would like to request my page mover right to be removed. Thanks in advance! --Trialpears (talk) 15:08, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Done, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Dream Doll

@NinjaRobotPirate:, we got Draft:Dream Doll now. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


Is Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram/Workshop also closed? I am sening new comments there. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Nope, you're good to continue commenting there. But it might be less useful than waiting for a PD. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


Hello. Can you take a look at the evidence on similarities between users TryDeletingMe and ThreatMatrix. I usually file SPI cases but I cant now as I am on the phone. Since you are a very active clerk, it would be of help if you spend a few minutes with this, when time permits.

  • TDM was blocked on 10 October 2018. 3 days later TM was created. The latter was inmediately capable of using the ref templates as a typical experienced editor [2]
  • Although TM claims on their talk page that they are a British South African, their edits are almost 100% dedicated to crimes committed against Serbs and to obscuring the collaboration of Serbian nationalist Chetniks with Nazi and Communist forces. TDM's focus was the same as TM's.
  • TDM once expanded the caption of a file [3]. Some weeks later, TM added the file on another article with a caption that had the same way of wording [4]
  • TDM once wrote some text on Chetnik crimes against Serbs [5]. TM added a very similar text to another article [6]
  • TDM tried to somehow justify the Chetnik collaboration with Axis forces with their desire to avoid Serb victims like those of Kragujevac and Kraljevo [ They wrote two mass murder campaigns against innocent Serbian civilians in Kraljevo and Kragujevac. With the combined death toll reaching over 4,500 civilians. TM too tried to somehow justify the Chetnik collaboration with Axis forces with their desire to avoid Serb victims like those of Kragujevac

and Kraljevo [7] TM wrote two mass murder campaigns conducted against Serbian civilians in Kraljevo and Kragujevac, reaching a combined death toll of over 4,500 civilians.

  • Instead of writing the article name as is, Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše, TDM wrote in a rather bizarre way "Catholic fanaticism" [8]. The same thing by TM [9].
  • Both accounts are from Australia. I am not showing the diffs here as I want them not understand how I noticed this and be more careful if they (hopefully not) sock again. However, if you need those diffs let me know. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
@Ktrimi991: Thanks. Done at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TryDeletingMe. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! Much appreciated. Cheers and keep up the good work, Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

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@Lurking shadow: Crap. I'm on it. Thought I posted my close already Face-smile.svg Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 21:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
@Lurking shadow: Now posted Face-smile.svg Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, Kevin. I got your message on the WP:RFR for pending changes reviwer. I read that comment, and one of them; this revert; was vandalism. All of the other ones do make sence. So I am requesting that you can help me get to that criterie. Can you do that please. And can you leave the responses at my talk page or use the ping feature so I can get notified? Thanks. --Wyatt2049 | (talk) 22:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@Wyatt2049: That sounds like it was a miscopy of another link. My apologies. My best advice is to slow down; quality is so much more important than quantity here. And CVUA sounds like a good idea too. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:01, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


Hi, I wasn't aware that this related to a clerk action, sorry. I did look to see if they had any relevant advanced rights etc. In any event, please see my note on their talk page: Sandstein was gravedancing and I responded with a question. As I also said in my comment, I have no problem with someone being blocked for socking. Are you aware of Sandstein's recent history re: Eric Corbett? - Sitush (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sitush: Hey. Thanks for the note. Sandstein's comment probably wasn't very helpful, and you're right that I don't have much personal knowledge of the history between Sandstein and EC. Hopefully you can see why we removed your comment – the first sentence is the sort of opening shot that can easily turn into a brawl and shouldn't be allowable in arbitration space if we want everyone to feel that they can discuss freely. Especially considering that Sandstein's conduct is in no way at issue in discussion of the announcement. I would have no problem if you restored your comment without the first sentence, and if you want to appeal, clerks-l and arbcom-en are the right venues for that. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Sandstein blocked EC at WP:AE for three months recently and was then over-ruled because they hadn't even read what people had said in the discussion - it was quite an embarrassment and their comment is indubitably gravedancing as a consequence of that. They have a habit of being as hard as nails and a long-standing dislike of Eric Corbett. Surely you are aware that they try to run AE as their personal fiefdom? The issue has been raised at WP:AN or WP:ANI in the past. A better solution here is to remove Sandstein's comment also, since that did in fact start the "brawl". Please bear in mind that although years ago I was quite frequently standing up for Eric Corbett, I haven't commented on the guy at all for ages until the recent fracas: I like him but I know where the limits are and when he has gone beyond them, as indeed he has with the recent socking. You'll also find that some of my older comments are critical of him but I doubt you will find a single Sandstein comment that is anything but critical of him. - Sitush (talk) 02:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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Icewhiz has misbehaved here since ages. You still ignore the problem. Are you sure you are neutral? Xx236 (talk) 06:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hey friend

Hey friend. I've not bumped into you in a long long time, but it's very good to see you are still around. I hope you are well buddy! :) UaMaol (talk) 03:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Uamaol: Hey hey, great to hear from you! I see you've been keeping busy. Hope you're well, and let me know if I can be of any help! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@L235: You know me, I ban myself from Wikipedia but then somehow end up back again and do an all night binge. It clearly doesn't work. hahaha! Yes mate, I am very well thanks and hope the same for yourself! :D And shall do! Do you still go on IRC? I rarely go on there, but when I have I've not seen you idling in years! UaMaol (talk) 03:45, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Missed one

Hey thanks for taking out the trash for me. That particular pathetic troll seems to have nothing better to do with his life than make sock puppets to post the same childish insult at me on random Wikipedia pages. That said, he made a third account Timeisfree which should be blocked too. Simonm223 (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Done – you can also take these to AIV in the future :) Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 14:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
For WP:DENY reasons, I try to give this individual as little satisfaction as possible that I've even seen their childish antics. But I do appreciate both the prompt action and the advice. Simonm223 (talk) 14:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the page WhenDatHotlineBling keeps creating

Is it possible to salt that page to prevent further recreation? Lupin VII (talk) 17:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Can you please provide a rationale for ECP. Currently the WP:AN reporting shows {{pp-create}} rather than "persistent disruptive editing" or other valid rationales described in WP:ECP for such protection to apply; near as I can tell, it doesn't apply. I would suggest it is better to permanently block that page from creation as I cannot see a valid use. Buffs (talk) 17:48, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Buffs: Thanks for your question. Creation protection is subject to greater administrator discretion than other forms of protection; WP:SALT says that "Administrators should choose the appropriate level of create protection—autoconfirmed, extended-confirmed, or full", and the authorizing RfC says "administrators should choose the appropriate one at their discretion". I thought ECP was sufficient, but no more strict than necessary, to stop disruption, though to be honest I gave it a total of 0.5 seconds of thought. Nonetheless, we have now spilled 100x more ink on this as the matter requires, so I've upped it to full protection. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Buffs (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

RfC closure

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I just read your closure at Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#RfC:_Clarification_of_OUTING and wanted to let you know that you have my admiration. :-) Sunrise (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Sunrise: Thanks very much! I appreciate it. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

ARBPIV 4 open?

Currently it states that it will open...yesterday. Any update? Buffs (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

@Buffs: I wish I had an update for you, but right now, I have no more information. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hey! Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, I was fairly busy during the summer. You asked me to send a message before my PCR perms expired, presumably so you could decide if I should keep the perm. Thanks, Remagoxer (talk) 12:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Remagoxer: Not a problem – it looks like you've been responsibly using the tool when you've been around, so I've gone ahead and extended the bit for three months; I'll make it permanent once there's a bit longer of a track record. Thanks for your hard work, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Should these edit summaries at Apartheid Museum, containing links to their FB and website, be revdel'd: Special:Diff/923129602, Special:Diff/922287805? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I did not think they should be suppressed or revdel'd, but I am happy to ask another oversighter to review. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:51, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Another oversighter has concurred in my decision not to suppress or revdel these edits. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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Rollback rights

Hi! As requested, I'm just checking in to see whether it would be appropriate to be granted rollback rights permanently. You previously enabled them on my account temporarily, until November 6th. I've enjoyed my anti-vandalism work and would like to keep on doing it. Thank you! Ganesha811 (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ganesha811: A review indicates that you've been doing great work. I'm making the rollback bit permanent – keep it up! Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 06:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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@Qgil-WMF: Thanks! It turns out that my phabricator email was outdated. By the way, since I signed up for Wikimedia Space using Phabricator, I seem to now have two accounts, one of which (the one from Phabricator) I can no longer access. [11] and [12]. Could you merge the two accounts? Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:56, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
@L235: Merged! Sorry for the inconvenience. Qgil-WMF (talk) 22:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. EotW misses your spirit. Drop by with a nomination. ―Buster7  16:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Buster7! I hope all is well for you; happy holidays! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic)

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Time To Spread A Little
Happy Holiday Cheer!!
I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree
in the spirit of the season.

What's especially nice about
this digitized version:
*it doesn't need water
*won't catch fire
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Have a very Merry Christmas - Happy Hanukkah‼️

and a prosperous New Year!!

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@Atsme: Happiest of holidays to you! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

My page deletion

Hi i want to ask why did you deleted my wiki page? I have made it by myself FoxyHunters (talk) 17:50, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi FoxyHunters, please see the note I left on your talk page. We advise young editors not to share personally identifiable information about themselves, such as full name, birthdate (or specific age), and location. We have a policy of removing that information when it is added by our young editors. I know it's annoying, and I'm sorry, but it's for the best. Please see WP:GFYE for more information. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay fine, But couldnt you take a permission from me? FoxyHunters (talk) 17:56, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Also one more question. Can i put false information about me but put my real likes and dislikes? FoxyHunters (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@FoxyHunters: Please don't add personally identifiably information about yourself, real or fake, period, please. We have no way of telling what is real and fake, but what we do know is that a lot of kids get seriously hurt from information they post to Wikipedia. I know it sounds hard to believe, but that's why we're so aggressive in removing personal information, and why we ask that you not re-insert it. Also, remember that unlike some other sites you may have used, posting content for Wikipedia isn't primarily for the benefit of you or me -- instead, it's for the benefit of Wikipedia's readers. In other words, Wikipedia isn't a social network, and it's not really the place for you to be posting all of your personal interests and tastes -- it's more like a workspace to help contribute to free knowledge. For more information about how to get more involved with contributing to Wikipedia, please see H:GS. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Tom & Jerry as served at Karl Ratzsch's, Milwaukee.jpg Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well L235. MarnetteD|Talk 02:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Happy holidays!! Face-smile.svg Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks :-) MarnetteD|Talk 00:25, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Mention on SPI

I mentioned your name on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/संदेश हिवाळे. Ping probably didn't worked as I forgot to sign the comment. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 09:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Could you please block user: for vandalism ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 20:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Done, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:47, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks, Cameron!! Happy holidays to you! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


I've sent you an email. Also, I had a typo that I can't fix (I meant "worst" not "west"). Clovermoss (talk) 00:34, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Done, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:36, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of it all. Clovermoss (talk) 00:38, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

@Darylgolden: It's wonderful to hear from you! Happy holidays Face-smile.svg Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Thanks for all the help tonight with the email stuff. Clovermoss (talk) 04:17, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


Found another sockpuppet [13] of the user you previously banned [14]. He also had another sock which was recently banned as well [15]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Done. In the future, please file an WP:SPI and ping me to it. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:44, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


As you said on this [16]. I have now built up a track record for uncontroversial mailings. Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I have granted MMS for six months, after which please come back here for a renewal. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 02:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for the kind words. I will work on content more and then try again. (I did not think to check the page till now lol)LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 16:12, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of संदेश हिवाळे requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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What are the differences between Twinkle's rollback and the user right rollback? TK421bsod (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) With the user right rollback, you can use the Huggle tool. Also, a "rollback" option will display next to each entry in your watchlist, so that you can roll back an edit without going to the article. That said, I prefer Twinkle's rollback, which opens the editor's Talk page as part of the rollback to make it easy to leave warnings. I found Huggle difficult to use and way too easy to make mistakes, so I asked to have rollback removed and chose to just use Twinkle. YMMV. Schazjmd (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
It would probably help to add a ping for TK421bsod. Face-smile.svg Schazjmd (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, Schazjmd! TK421bsod (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Pending changes right

Hello Kevin (L235), I have some days left, till my pending changes right is withdrawn, so I want to ask if you could extend it. Maybe 2-3 months more? I like checking articles and reverting vandalism and I also listened to your tip, to warn users if needed. So at all I think I did a good job. --Infogeek244 (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

@Infogeek244: Thanks for checking in. I'm extending the right for two months -- you've been doing well; a spot check of your reverts indicates no big problems. It seems you've recently gotten Twinkle as well, which is probably going to be pretty helpful with this stuff. Just continue being careful and using the PCR right more to build a track record -- I only see seven PCR accepts and one PCR revert, which isn't enough to determine whether to make the right permanent or not. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:05, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Ok thank you. --Infogeek244 (talk) 11:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

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  • Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
  • When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [17]


  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for Geonotice posting

Many thanks, Kevin, for your help with this. I've noted all the details and will do better next year! TrudiJ (talk) 14:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Undisclosed paid editing

For the Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Upwork_sockfarm report could you tell me the subjects being developed at the sandboxes above? You can just reply at COIN if it's more convenient. Thanks ☆ Bri (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks :) Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 22:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

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  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

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  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.


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Hi Kevin, Biogen page

Hi Kevin, Thank you for reaching out to me. I apologize if my post wasn't appropriate or relevant to the current topic. I read Wikipedia frequently, but I have never edited nor taken the time to contribute. I live in Massachusetts and I am a graduate student studying at Boston College. Given the recent outbreak of COVID19, I started checking the wiki page for updates on what was going on in my state. When I noticed some information lacking, I started to try to do my part to share what I was learning from my local news. I thought this was necessary since there seems to be so much misinformation currently. Would it make sense for me to have moved that Biogen Covid19 portion to the main COVID19 page? I realize that Wikipedia is not a news page and I am sorry if it was inappropriate for me to add that to Biogen's page. I am a total newbie! What would you suggest? I did try to make sure everything was accurate and tried to make sure everything I posted had appropriate and legitimate citations. Anyway, thank you for reaching out to me. Wikipedia has always been a great resource for me and my only intention is to make meaningful and appropriate contributions. Thanks, Mark Francis ThomasAquinas2019 (talk) 02:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

@ThomasAquinas2019: Thanks for reaching out! I really appreciate all the time you've put into this, and I'm sorry that this is something that ended up removed. I think a good way of thinking about it is this: in 10, 20, 30 years, is this material going to be relevant, or is a reader going to be confused by what is here in relation to how other things have been covered in this page? In my view, unfortunately, the Biogen conference coronavirus cases aren't going to have long-term significance in either Biogen's page or on the main COVID-19 page; even though it probably feels pretty big right now, it's being well covered by news sources and Wikipedia is pretty bad at keeping up with that. Hope this helps, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 19:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
oh my gosh. I just wrote this super long blurb about Biogen in the article talk page and then just saw that I had a message. Ok i see what your saying. Thank you for being patient with me and forgiving me this opportunity to contribute.ThomasAquinas2019 (talk) 01:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
@ThomasAquinas2019: It's probably fine actually to include info on the page 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Massachusetts – I hadn't realized there were COVID-19 pages for many states now. My bad! Let me know if I can help more. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

This seems excessive

Hi Kevin

I'm wondering why you've blocked this user here when they hadn't performed any further edits to the article after the Arbitration warning was posted? I get that the coronavirus has everyone on full paranoia mode, but that seems excessive for what were originally good-faith edits by a long-term user, which they didn't attempt to repeat after being warned. Maybe I'm missing some back-history though? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Amakuru: I blocked because the user violated the topic ban (on ANI) minutes after it was imposed, but you're right, there are good explanations available. I'm therefore lifting the block. Thanks for spotting, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Ah OK thanks for the response. We can keep an eye on them anyway, and obviously reblock if they continue to violate. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether someone has understood the message or not yet! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Request Editing Permission for Sanctioned Page


I have been adding the information for the Coronavirus with regards to Ireland on this page. I am a university librarian at Maynooth University near Dublin and would like to continue updating the information for Ireland. I pull the information from the Irish government's website. You can see the posts for the 14th, 15th and 16th of March were made by me (two of them from my IP address as I had not made an account yet).

Thank you,

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dccrinehart (talkcontribs) 00:20, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@Dccrinehart: Hi David. I can't find your previous edits but I'm going to trust you and grant you the "confirmed" flag for a week. This will grant you the technical ability to edit most of the articles. Please be sure to follow our policies and guidelines, especially WP:MEDRS where it applies. I've left some links on your talk page which should be helpful. Please let me know if you have any questions. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:17, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Kevin. I'll be sure to follow the rules and post important information with reliable sources noted. Cheers, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dccrinehart (talkcontribs) 13:21, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

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