User talk:Kb.au

2017 Australian parliamentary eligibility crisis

Hi Kb.au. Thank you for your contributions. When I said that I was removing "plot speculation", I wrote with necessary brevity. My main reason was the uncertainty of the Hughes connection, so that in my view any further suggestion was not appropriate to an encyclopaedia. It's not as if we are looking at a presidency. Also, if a particular expert is cited on one occasion, why not on all occasions (and George Williams has been quoted very often)? And then why not also other experts? George Williams and Anne Twomey I think are doing an effective double-act and Graeme Orr is also on that stage. (BTW, I am none of the above.) Wikiain (talk) 12:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Wikiain:No problem. I didn't mean to come across as bluntly as I did, but I just felt that the possibility raised by Williams seemed like as valid a possibility as the other two possibilities raised: not finding Hughes ineligible, or finding her ineligible and resolving it through countback. It did feel somewhat out of place in a subsection about Nash, but given she was one of the "citizenship seven" and the High Court has delayed a ruling on Nash's replacement, it seemed notable enough and more complete to include more than just two of the three realistic possibilities. While it does seem to be only Williams that has suggested the casual-vacancy possibility so far, most of the reporting on the issue seems to just assume that it will be resolved through further countback if necessary. My view is that the an educated view of a constitutional law professor carries more weight than the assumptions of various political reporters, even if those assumptions are more widely reported. Kb.au (talk) 13:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kb.au: No problem, either, though I think Williams was only tracking there in a way that anybody could do. Actually I think the reporting in the Guardian, the Fairfax newspapers (SMH and Age) and The Australian has been remarkably accurate given the complexity. (I'd out myself if I said why I feel qualified to say so.) Wikiain (talk) 13:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit Warring notice

Thank you for your message. I accept the warning, but why isn't the page locked to prevent further editing while the issues are being discussed? How come people can keep deleting massive amounts of information, the result of numerous hours of hard work by multiple users? 70.112.229.80 (talk) 18:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi @70.112.229.80. It's a good question and I might raise it with an admin. Main issue is multiple editors see the list as a BLP violation, and until that's resolved it should not be included in the page. The edits over whether #MeToo relates to Silence Breakers is of no concern to me. Thanks Kb.au (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

I know, I don't think you're responsible for any of those edits. However, the list was created a while ago and has withstood scrutiny by at least two high-level administrators when it was previously being vandalized by a Trump hater. 70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

@70.112.229.80, I understand your concern as I know your contributions are in the best of faith and seeing edits blanked can be irritating given how time consuming editing can be. But regardless of past right-wing left-wing vandalism, myself and a number of other editors have immediate concerns about the content of the list, especially in relation to the BLP policy which must be followed. We are trying to seek a broader consensus, outside of ourselves and beyond the primary editors of the page, via the talk page and through the Request for Comment so we can gain a better view as to whether the wider Wikipedia community believes the list is appropriate. Thanks, Kb.au (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

It was actually left-wing vandalism. 70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:34, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Corrected. Sorry, I'd misread your comment. Kb.au (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Coast FM (Adelaide)

Hi there, I noticed you approved Coast FM (Adelaide), but without any references it didn't seem appropriate to have in article space, so I placed it back as a draft over here, let me know if you have any questions! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 05:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Declined Article Submission - Dept of Environmental Design.

Hello KB.au. I havn't had time to research some aspects of the proposed article Dept_of_Environmental_Design,_TCAE,_Hobart.. I was hoping that others who know a bit more might fill in the needed references. Would it be sufficient for now to remove those unreferenced projects and Barry Mc'Neill as a notable person. That would leave Permaculture as the only notable project and David Holmgren as the only notable person. I am thinking that I have referenced them correctly. Being the Dept that was part of initiating the now worldwide Permaculture movement may be the only internationally notable thing that ED did. Would that make it of sufficient value to those wanting to understand the origins of permaculture? The other aspect that might justify a stand alone article is that it was one of only a handful of tertiary level free schools, and the only one with a focus on Architecture and Planning, which of course would have to be verified. It was assessed by The Tasmanian education Department and Australian Institutes of Planning and of Architecture, for accreditation of degrees, which were in place for a decade. I haven't located those assessments yet, but hear that they are not entirely favorable. To include some of the content of these could be a useful contribution to those wanting to understand the free school movement at tertiary level. If these two aspects would be enough then I would do the work to get the independent reviews into the Tasmanian Archive and Heritage Office. There may be other aspects of ED that would support a stand alone article, but they might just turn out to be important to the State of Tasmania, but that is all I have time to research for now. If that is not acceptable then I will look at a mention at Mergers_and_the_"new"_university_(1965-99) and perhaps a mention at Free_school_movement, but I don't think it would be enough to add much to the understanding of what seems to be an important experiment in education. Jed Stuart (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jed Stuart. When I declined it on the basis of notability, I wasn't referring to the content of the article, but rather the subject of the article itself. It appears to me that there is insufficient independent coverage of the course/school to justify having its own article per WP:GNG. I suggested merging to the University of Tasmania article, but the creation of an article for Tasmanian CAE may even be appropriate (I haven't looked into whether it is covered enough to meet notability guidelines, but I suspect it is). Without significant, independent coverage on this course, no amount of work on the article will help it pass the notability guidelines, because notability is not determined by an articles substance. Kb.au (talk) 18:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Television censorship in Australia

Why did you nominate Television censorship in Australia for speedy deletion as a copyright violation? Even if it were possible for one Wikipedia article to infringe the copyright of another Wikipedia article, the article was not even that similar to Internet censorship in Australia. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Metropolitan90, besides the list, the only content in the television article is copied directly from Internet censorship in Australia:

"Internet censorship in Australia currently consists of a regulatory regime under which the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has the power to enforce content restrictions on Internet content hosted within Australia, and maintain a "black-list" of overseas websites which is then provided for use in filtering software."

Without attribution to the original author, it is copyright infringement, because CC-BY-SA requires attribution (see WP:CWW). The article is just false rubbish anyway, so I've AfDed it. Kb.au (talk) 14:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the sentence in question does not belong in Television censorship in Australia, but as indicated at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution, if the content were worth keeping in the first place, the failure to attribute could be cured. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Optus Stadium logo

I was interested in your reversion of my removal of the Optus Stadium logo at Perth Stadium. The logo is positioned as if it were a title to the section and has no description identifying it as a commercial logo for that stadium's current naming rights owner. As it stands, it appears to be an attempt to give the naming rights name more prominence than it deserves. I have examined Wikipedia:Logos and I would be interested to know which part of that policy authorises this sort of use of the logo without any identification of the significance of the logo. At this stage I won't enter into a reversion conflict about the issue, but I am concerned when I see commercial enterprises trying to find loopholes in Wikipedia's policies to not give undue prominence to them in a manner which may be considered free advertising. Ishel99 (talk) 07:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ishel99, I'm not sure what you mean. The logo is at the top of the article's infobox as any other article's logo would be. What device are you viewing the page from? I'm viewing the desktop site. Kb.au (talk) 07:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I am viewing it also on my desktop and likely seeing it as you do. I'm not sure that I can express my point any more clearly, hehe... and as I say, I am not sufficiently concerned to press the matter. However, at the moment the logo is not clearly identified as a logo but simply appears to be a prominent heading for the naming rights name as opposed to the actual constructed name of the stadium. I guess I am especially sensitive regarding this one because of the controversy in WA regarding this iconic new stadium having its naming rights sold off, which was originally not supposed to happen. The naming right name is given in the article text, and that should be sufficient attribution. Alternatively if the logo is to remain, it should be accompanied by a text label clearly identifying it as the logo of the commercial naming rights owner. Ishel99 (talk) 07:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Ishel99, I agree, it was disappointing when they sold off the naming rights. I'm personally not a fan of sponsorship names, and I also preferred the Perth Stadium logo (which I have left in the naming rights section of the article). Including the current stadium logo in the infobox is well accepted on the site (see Docklands Stadium, Melbourne Rectangular Stadium, Melbourne Park Multi-Purpose Venue, Kardinia Park (stadium), Stadium Australia, and Subiaco Oval, etc). I can't see a reason not to include it in Perth Stadium. Kb.au (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Kb.au Thanks for opening this discussion up a bit more. I understand your point if we take the example of (apparently) numerous other stadiums around Australia, and perhaps around the world. Personally I think that by a degree of stealth the naming rights sponsors have been able to acquire greater prominence for their logos than is really warranted. To be honest, I think that the commercial logo, in each and every one of those cases, should not be the first item in the infobox. Since the article in each case is about a stadium, the first illustration in each infobox should be... the stadium! If the commercial logo is given any space at all in the infobox (which I think is debatable - imho it should be just as an illustration at the point of the article where the corporate sponsorship is mentioned) then it should be below the actual illustration of the stadium, and should be accompanied by text identifying it as a commercial logo which temporarily identifies the stadium. I am not a sufficiently experienced Wikpipedian to know where I might raise this as a broader matter of principle, but I believe that each of the articles you have cited should be modified to move the commercial logo to a less prominent position - otherwise we allow the commercial sponsor to receive a free promo despite Wikipedia's policy to not use the commercial names. If you would be interested to assist me in pursuing this, perhaps you could please point me to where it might be raised for the consideration of other editors. Many thanks! Ishel99 (talk) 08:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Ishel99, I had a look for you, and your point about not using commercial names for stadiums in article titles seems to be Australian specific. For instance in the US, the pages for MetLife Stadium, FedExField, AT&T Stadium, EverBank Field, Bank of America Stadium, Mercedes-Benz Superdome, NRG Stadium etc all go by their commercial name. The situation is less clear in relation to UK stadiums with Emirates Stadium going by its commercial name while Etihad Stadium in Manchester goes by City of Manchester Stadium. Australian stadium names seem to entirely go by a non-commercial name in the article title, although some smaller venues are named according to their commercial name (Priceline Stadium, WIN Entertainment Centre).

Wikipedia naming policy is generally that the most common name for something is used for the article title rather than any other name (ie. Bob Hawke rather than Robert Hawke), which typically means that whatever name is most commonly used in independent sources is what should be used as the article title (see WP:COMMONNAME). The current naming of Australian stadiums seems to fly in the face of this policy, but there has been some consensus reached on a sort of naming convention in past discussions on the Australian Wikipedians' Noticeboard here and here. Similar non-Australian specific discussion seemed to go in the other direction (here and here). There's also an interesting discussion here about the article naming of both the UK and Australian Etihad Stadiums.

In relation to the logos though, WP:LOGO is pretty clear that it is acceptable to use the official logo for something in its article's infobox. The infobox template for venues, Template:Infobox_venue provides for this with its "logo_image" and "logo_caption" parameters, and as this is a standard template used across 14,000 pages, the location of the logo in relation to the image cannot be changed.

If you want to raise a broader discussion as to the appropriateness of using corporate-sponsorship logos in articles for venues, I'd suggest the Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board. It's a fairly active community, and as it's specific to Australia the users there will be more familiar with any Australian specific conventions and understand the naming rights situations with our various stadiums. I hope this has been insightful. Kb.au (talk) 13:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Kb.au Thank you so much for ALL of the amazing detail in your response to my concerns on this issue. Once again I realize that while I might dip my toe in Wikipedia editing occasionally as time allows, there are those such as yourself who are knowledgeable and experienced to an unbelievable degree. I especially appreciate the links to previous discussions on the issue, and heartened to see the good Aussie common sense which has been brought to bear. In regard to the templates involved in the infobox, I do see the difficulty in doing something Australia-specific when we are using a template used universally, so I won't hold out any hope that there might be a change to that... especially since Wikipedia, like most things online, is driven from the US and naturally will tolerate a good deal more overt capitalism than we might like to see. I might raise it as an interesting discussion point on the Australian Wikipedians notice board, as you suggest, though without any serious expectation that much would change. Still, it would be interesting to see what others think. Once again, thank you SO much for taking your valuable time to provide so much useful guidance around this issue. (I am going to copy your most substantive reply above to my own page so that I have it easily accessible for future reference. You will likely receive a notification about that but I'm not expecting you to respond there). Ishel99 (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Ishel99, no problem. :) Kb.au (talk) 03:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

CircuitStudio

Good day, Kb.au. I see you deleted my article on CircuitStudio. I too felt like the subject was a bit non-notable, but figured it deserved its own since CircuitMaker had its own article. Moving forward, I will try and be extra careful about this. Just so the information I wrote doesn't go to waste, is there any part of it we can use for the Altium article you think? ThaiTee (talk) 16:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks ThaiTee. As I mentioned in the edit summary, generally it isn't appropriate to have an article on specific products unless the product itself is independently notable (see WP:NPRODUCT), or the amount of content on the product would make the company's page unwiedly. In this case, I was of the view that the article contained nothing of substance that wasn't already included in the sentence on the product on Altium's page, and hence went forth and changed the page into a redirect without merging any content first. If you think there's anything else from that CircuitStudio that can still be merged across, feel free to add it. As the page history is still there, if the product ever does become more notable, the old content can still be retrieved. Kb.au (talk) 00:13, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

You got it. Thanks! ThaiTee (talk) 02:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

I just wanted to thank you for your AfD work, including Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felicity Meakins. I appreciate the role of AfD discussions in improving articles that make weak or no notability claims-- it gives notice to editors who have an interest in the subject that the article may need substantial work to improve its quality. Cheers! Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 23:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem Grand'mere Eugene. It's good to see the article was improved despite my misguided AfD nomination. Kb.au (talk) 02:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Will Alma Biography Page

Hi Kb.au. thank you for approving the Will Alma article. I just noticed it has been classified under living people even though the date of decease is included - and so some of the warnings say to adhere to the living people standards which I think don't apply. I couldn't see how to remove this category, apologies if I've missed something ETAFlux (talk) 07:42, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks ETAFlux, fixed! Kb.au (talk) 07:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Much appreciated! Thank you Kb.au ETAFlux (talk) 07:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

ETAFlux, if you do ever need to add or remove categories in the future through the visual editor, the option screen for it is listed under the three-line menu near the publish button. Turning on the HotCat tool under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets may also be useful. Kb.au (talk) 08:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Autopatrol

Thanks for the nom kb. I had thought about applying early myself but, as you saw, there's a fairly high level of nark going on. See you on the other side of 25! Triptothecottage (talk) 08:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Bureaucracy getting in the way of common sense Triptothecottage. Seems silly to me to have to review your very well-sourced and clearly notable articles whilst there are new-page reviewers with less experience going around and approving unsourced stubs without so much as adding a maintenance tag. Just keep creating quality articles as you do as I suppose it doesn't really matter too much that one of us has to tick the review box! Kb.au (talk) 12:50, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jesse Cox (Disambiguation) page

Hi, I wasn't sure how to do the disambiguation for Jesse Cox pages. I was trying to have one landing page where the reader selects which person's page they want to read (American or Australian). I added the 'For' tag redirections on each page as well. Currently searches for Jesse Cox go straight to the American page. thanks. Kathodonnell (talk) 09:12, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kathodonnell, I've requested a page move to fix it to the way you suggested. It seems like neither is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Kb.au (talk) 09:28, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much! That's great Kathodonnell (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:00:19, 9 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Baztlanar

• Baztlanar (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Global Care Chains (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi and thanks for reviewing the article I submitted on global care chains.(https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Draft:Global_Care_Chains)

I was wondering if I could get some further feedback on what to change in the article. I have tried to simply restate what the current debates on the topic is and what are the key characteristics and concepts. In doing so I have put citations on all statements and refrained from evaluating one argument over the other according to my own judgements. I've written two posts on this in the teahouse but didn't get any responses so that's why I posted it again without much changes.

Would be super grateful for your help :) Baztlanar (talk) 09:00, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Baztlanar, I forgot to respond to this. The reason I declined it was that it reads significantly like an analysis of a concept rather than an encyclopedic article on the concept. Some of the lead is okay, but much of the rest of the article reads like a journal article or essay that analyses the concept (see WP:NOTESSAY). I'm not familiar enough with the topic to give specific advice, but many of the tips at Wikipedia:Writing better articles may be of assistance. Kb.au (talk) 02:04, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

I saw that you nominated me for Autopatrolled and complimented the articles I write. Thank you, I appreciate your kind words! Enwebb (talk) 01:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

No worries, Enwebb. Sometimes there's not enough niceness in this place! Kb.au (talk) 01:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Koen Bosma

The draft you reviewed, Draft:Koen Bosma, meets criteria by playing in the v.league 1 in 2015 and the eerste divisie (dutch 2nd tier) (see Soccerway Profile and WikiProject Football fully pro leagues. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, thanks Das osmnezz. Somehow I couldn't find Vietnam on the list, and overlooked those Harlem matches. Kb.au (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

IPsoft Inc.

Hi, you have added the {{Notability}} template to the IPsoft Inc. article. However, the article has already a total of 19 citations, being 16 independent. Also, they come from several reliable sources, from distinct fields such as PC World, ZDNet, Everest Group, Credit Suisse, Yahoo! Finance, The Wall Street Journal, Entrepreneur (magazine), Business Wire, Computer World and Daily Mail.

Could you motivate the addition of the template, given that it already has enough references from reliable sources? Thanks Pcgomes (talk) 09:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pcgomes. Much of the coverage on the company is promotional (rehashes of press releases, etc) or incidental in nature, and it may not meet the WP:CORPDEPTH guidelines. Kb.au (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Kb.au. Thanks for the reply. However, I have the opinion that you have been overly rigorous. Though few of the articles can arguably be called promotional or incidental, most (from 16) are clearly not. Such as the ones from Yahoo! Finance, Everest Group, The Wall Street Journal, and Daily Mail. I may add more articles about the company, if that helps. But I'd ask you to inspect that the current ones already come from way too many reliable sources *and* are not incidental for the article to be labeled as lacking notability. Best Regards, Pcgomes (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Adina Apartment Hotels

Hi Kb.au, I wanted to ping you to let you know an article you recently rejected at AfC has been promoted to article space by the author. I have opened an AfD for this. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 07:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Jake Brockman. Kb.au (talk) 11:09, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Review of Conor Simpson

Hi Kb, thanks again for a prompt and diligent review. I was well aware Mr Simpson was something of an edge case for notability; I'll set him as a sort of lower bound for the other Irish dancer articles I create. There are quite a number of competitive dancers who have received considerably more coverage. That said, do you have any thoughts on how I should interpret WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG in creating this sort of bio? Clearly two Canberra Times articles is... not a lot, especially given the CT's weird duality as local rag and capital city paper of record, but what would you consider a reasonable standard? Triptothecottage (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Triptothecottage. That's pretty much the reason I was concerned about notability; the only media coverage on the subject was in two articles in the Canberra Times and one article in Canberra's Chronicle, a local paper. All could be regarded as local news, and with little coverage elsewhere lack of notability could at least be argued. It's difficult to set a standard on coverage that would be considered notable given the diverging views on what is significant coverage and what isn't (you just need to head over to AfD to see the mess that that can be..), and because there is no black and white line (part of the reason why for many sports, there is clear guidelines as to what is notable). I trust your judgement on whether articles are notable or not and your referencing is always good, but I'd already come to the decision to at least tag this one for notability before I realised you were the author because the lack of coverage had me initially concerned it was self-promotional. I'm no expert on individuals involved in dancing, so the depth of coverage relative to other dancers or the subject's achievements may indicate they are in fact notable, but my review was solely based on the lack of broader media coverage. Kb.au (talk) 01:17, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

editToken

Hello Kb.au,

Your script User:Kb.au/StubSort.js is no longer functional because it attempts to get an editToken from mw.user.tokens. The script should instead get a csrfToken. editTokens were removed from mw.user.tokens on October 3, 2019 at Phabricator during this edit as they were redundant to csrfTokens.– BrandonXLF (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Kb.au,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 817 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 861 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing {{subst:NPR invite}} on their talk page.

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Kb.au,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

Backlog drive

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TIP – New school articles

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.

Misc

There is a new template available, {{NPP backlog}}, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:

Very high unreviewed pages backlog: 14623 articles, as of 14:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC), according to DatBot

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.

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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!

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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Kb.au,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination

MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.

Open letter to the WMF

The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.

TIP - Reviewing by subject

Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.

New reviewers

The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.

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Invitation

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive

New Page Patrol | October 2022 backlog drive
On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled and for maintaining a streak throughout the drive. Barnstars will also be awarded for re-reviewing articles. Redirect patrolling is not part of the drive. Sign up here!
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Kb.au,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

• There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
• Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
• Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Kb.au,

New Page Review queue December 2022

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive

New Page Patrol | May 2023 Backlog Drive
On 1 May, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of redirects patrolled and for maintaining a streak throughout the drive. Article patrolling is not part of the drive. Sign up here! There is a possibility that the drive may not run if there are <20 registered participants. Participants will be notified if this is the case.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Kb.au,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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New pages patrol needs your help!

New pages awaiting review as of June 30th, 2023.

Hello Kb.au,

The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.

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New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | October 2023 Backlog Drive
On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Articles will earn 3x as many points compared to redirects. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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New pages patrol newsletter

Hello Kb.au,

New Page Review article queue, March to September 2023

Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.

PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.

Reviewing tip: If you would like like a second opinion on your reviews or simply want another new page reviewer by your side when patrolling, we recommend pair reviewing! This is where two reviewers use Discord voice chat and screen sharing to communicate with each other while reviewing the same article simultaneously. This is a great way to learn and transfer knowledge.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive

Hello Kb.au:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 2400 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | January 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
On 1 January 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each review will earn 1 point. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

Hello Kb.au,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

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New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive

New Page Patrol | May 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
On 1 May 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Each review will earn 1 point. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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