User talk:Jonesey95

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Old talk page

Why did you restore a redirect to my old talk page? I blanked it for a reason, I regretted having my username as my real name, thus why I changed my username. I don't want this to link back to my new account for privacy reasons. Can you please blank that page and undo your redirect. It would be greatly appreciated, many thanks. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 19:07, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

You can copy and paste this code onto the page to request that it be deleted: {{db-author}} – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

December blitz bling

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Trust network

It looks like Template:I trust is related. Not sure if you wanted to nominate that one for deletion as well. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I tend to stay away from TFDs for templates that are actually used in more than one or two pages, even if they are clearly historical. There are so many hundreds of single-use and essentially unused templates that I prefer to focus on. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:47, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

making 'Template:archives/sandbox' look and function exactly like 'Template:archives'

Is there any way you can help me make 'Template:archives/sandbox' look and function exactly like 'Template:archives' after I've replaced most of the HTML code with Wiki markup on that template's sandbox page? Thanks. PK2 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

I have both testcases pages matching up except for some excess whitespace at the end of the box. I think I can make that go away, but I need to figure out where it is coming from exactly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I've sorted that (I think), but there was another problem which existed prior to my edits - the lack of a bottom border at Template:Archives/testcases/banner#3. This is down to the calculation of the rowspan value - the non-sandbox and sandbox ones both have rowspan="2". It seems that they use a calculation thus rowspan="{{#expr:1+{{#ifeq:{{{search}}}|no|0|1}}+{{#if:{{{list|{{{1|}}}}}}|1|0}}+{{#if:{{{age|}}}{{{target|}}}|1|0}}}}" which comes down to {{#expr:1+1+0+0}} and since the first 1 is a constant, the second 1 should be a 0. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 13:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Jonesey95!

Happy New Year!

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Edit request

Please replace http:// with https:// in the links generated by this template: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:HanCinema_film&action=edit 177.32.61.128 (talk) 17:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Film

Hello there, got the message on my talk page. I was trying to do a film or production timeline list for character appearances as there was already one for Video games (template: video game timeline) can you help me with the film or production timeline thanks Ethan169 (talk) 08:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

You should be able to use {{Timeline of release years}} with a customized title. I created a demonstration in your sandbox showing that the template could be used for something like the first appearance of characters in a show or series: User:Ethan169/sandbox. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Buzz Lightyear

Thanks i done the list for Buzz Lightyear can you also create a page for Rex from toy story he is Main enough and deserves his own page. Ethan169 (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

A draft page already exists at Draft:Rex (Toy Story). I encourage you to work on that page. Nice work on the Buzz timeline. Please fix the links to Coco and Small Fry, which do not point to the right articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

I fixed it can you undraft the rex page and make it public i will fix it up. Ethan169 (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The draft article needs references to reliable sources. Detailed instructions for creating a new article and getting it moved from the Draft space to regular article space are at Help:Your first article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

1982 Haryana Legislative Assembly election

Hello!

Thanks so much for reverting my edit to 1982 Haryana Legislative Assembly election. I believe I was trying to revert the changes in this edit, but didn't see you'd fixed most of them already, except for a single stray ''Italic text''. Of course I then accidentally restored the wrong version... Anyways, thanks for noticing :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. I am also glad when people fix my mistakes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Please replace http:// with https:// in the links generated by these templates:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:HKMDB_name&action=edit
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:HKMDB_title&action=edit
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Adult_Film_Database_name&action=edit
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:IAFD_name&action=edit
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sfdb_title&action=edit

Please also update this template with direct links to their new domain (https://www.svenskfilmdatabas.se): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sfdb_name&action=edit 177.32.61.128 (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, but sfi.se doesn't support HTTPS. That's why the links must be replaced with their new domain: http://www.sfi.se/en-gb/ -> https://www.svenskfilmdatabas.se/en/ -- 177.32.61.128 (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Updated. The documentation needs updating as well, and it is not protected, so you can do that yourself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Template:User access levels

Okay, I sort of got it with something like {{AfC category navbar}}, but what possible documentation is necessary for {{User access levels}}? Primefac (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

If it's a page-content template with no parameters, a short note about why the page exists in Template space and where it is used, along with a category, is typically enough. It is helpful to have some bare-bones explanation so that the page doesn't look like something that someone created in the wrong namespace or for a reason that contradicts the template-space guidelines.

I have been shoveling the dung-heap that is Wikipedia:Database reports/Uncategorized templates, and I have found hundreds of templates that were one-off creations that should not exist, or that should be moved into User or Wikipedia space, or that are simply inscrutable. I have documented a few of these, moved others to appropriate locations, and nominated many for deletion. I do not have the expertise to categorize or create documentation for every page that I do not understand, so I am shifting some of the dung into other piles in the hope that more knowledgeable editors, like yourself, will be able to clarify matters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for the explanation :-) Primefac (talk) 08:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Hyphenation

Not sure how it being an adjective changes things, it's still a compound modifier with 'then' modifying 'boyfriend' and the combination modifying the name. I don't see anything at MOS:HYPHEN that suggests it would not be hyphenated. I would hyphenate future in that case too. –CWenger (^ • @) 00:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Nobody would write "the future-president Jane Smith" (for "Jane Smith, who would in the future become president") or "her Italian-boyfriend John Brown" (for "John Brown, her boyfriend, who is Italian"). The word "then" works the same way in this context. It is confusing because "then" is usually an adverb, so our brains get stuck in the wrong frame. I linked to two mainstream style guides in my edit summaries at Rachel Bilson. Feel free to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style and ping me; I don't see a detailed discussion about it in the archives, but it is a difficult topic to search for. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I would not hyphenate "her Italian-boyfriend John Brown" because 'Italian' could just as easily modify 'John Brown' as 'boyfriend', But like I said I would probably hyphenate "the future-president Jane Smith", although I admit there is no potential ambiguity so that's probably why it is usually omitted. You could very well be correct, I'm just trying to understand how one would formulate a rule for this case. It's not the adjective-noun compound modifier case that doesn't require a hyphen because we have short-story writer in the MoS. –CWenger (^ • @) 01:44, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

When in doubt, consult style guides. Some style guides are hundreds of pages; MOS tries to be concise. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Just a heads-up, I am planning to restore the hyphen. It seems like many reputable sources use it according to the comment at the MoS talk page, and we have only found a single style guide that says to omit it. –CWenger (^ • @) 14:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I do not follow MOS talk pages because they make me crazy. I have posted a follow-up note there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:03, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate Args

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

remember to use preview! Colorado and Alabama had duplicate args introduced. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 01:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Yum, trout! Thanks for fixing my errors. That template's documentation was a disaster. The editor who did the merge did not tidy it up very well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Happens to us all... Thanks for taking it with the good humor I intended. Stay well! -- Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 20:18, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

"Template:KFCBOX" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:KFCBOX and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 25 § Template:KFCBOX until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. — Navajcmer (🔔 • 📝) 04:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Signpost quote template

[moved to Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Inline long quote.]
Hi Jonesey, note [1]; the previous edits changed the appearance of many old Signpost articles that were designed to have background shading. It also led to multi-para quotes being broken up. It just didn't look right, and given the potentially large number of articles involved, going back many years, this seems like the easiest solution. Best, --Andreas JN466 15:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC) [moved to Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Inline long quote.]

Nomination for deletion of Template:ASEA License Built Rolling Stock

Template:ASEA License Built Rolling Stock has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. This is because it now duplicates Template:ASEA Export Electric Locomotives. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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January drive bling

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		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 3,999 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2023 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 20:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! This drive marked the tenth anniversary of my first drive. So far, I've lived a charmed life and have not missed a drive or blitz since January 2013. Here's to ten more years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Trödel box div

Hi, I see you added an end div tag on User:Trödel/box the other day. Its placement, while clear on that page, is throwing a missing div on this talk page Any issues with swapping the div and noinclude end tags, or is that order intended? Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 23:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the order is intended. This template requires the person inserting it to provide their own closing div tag, which apparently was not done, or perhaps the div tag was later removed (I don't care to dig through the page's history, since the problem was easily fixable). – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Good to know. Hadn't run across this before, and since you had been the last one to edit the box, thought I should ask instead of adjusting. Thanks. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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EPA image issue

I just wanted to express my frustration at your reversion of my edit, which somehow I missed in my watchlist. Since you were an active participant in the VPT discussion, you should have been well aware that the problem was not fixed, so you should either have not reverted my edit, or should have undone your edit as soon as you realized it. When the Phabricator ticket was resolved this morning, I went back to check the page and only then noticed your reversion. I guess I'm not sure what to say – would you please be more advertent in the future? Thank you. jhawkinson (talk) 16:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

BOTLIKE edits to very old pages

Would you please get a bot to fix linter errors on very old pages. Please do not do WP:BOTLIKE editing from a non-bot account. SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:53, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

There are multiple bots fixing Linter errors, but they are not able to fix all kinds of errors. If I find a page that has only errors that are being fixed by currently approved bots, I usually leave it alone. I review every one of my edits before saving; some of them take many minutes to perform and verify. If you see a consistent pattern in my editing that a bot should be able to fix without errors or false positives, please let me know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Here's a typical recent edit of an old page; I fixed a half-dozen errors that a bot would be unlikely to be able to fix, leaving the obsolete font tags for the two or three bots that are currently working on them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

You should not be doing this edits with a non bot account. These pages are important records. They are barely ever viewed, and so your assertion "Fix Linter errors. More needed" is dubious. By fixing them, you are adding noise of random non-bot accounts fiddling with important records. This fiddling needs reviewing. Already, that page had three MalnadachBot edits, three being a problem that has been called out and is being addressed. Your non-bot edits are much worse. When I look at individual edits, such as your adding </del> to unclosed <del> tags, I do not agree that these would be unlikely to be fixable by a bot.

To the extent that old pages have defined problems that need fixing, please have a bot approved to do it, so that you do not pollute Special:RecentChanges or other's watchlists, or violate WP:BOTLIKE. If you do use a non bot account for repeatedly fixing common problems, you establish a precedent that any editor may do this, and any editor may do it poorly. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Human editors have fixed Linter errors on hundreds of thousands of pages since 2018. There is a half-decade of precedent for these edits, and there has been plenty of time for bots to be developed to fix bot-fixable errors. To my knowledge, there have been four or five bots deployed to fix errors. During the development of these bots, repeated discussions have narrowed their focus because some proposed edits were subject to WP:CONTEXTBOT. If you have some foolproof code that would be able to determine how to fix misnested tags without false positives, please post a note about it at Wikipedia talk:Linter. If the code is viable, someone will probably be able to use it to deploy a bot, saving me and other human editors a lot of trouble. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

In this example, a bot cannot determine that striking was supposed to be from line 27 to 40. This page was giving Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting, a category of error where most things that can be fixed by bots have already been fixed. There was about 130k total errors, which bots had reduced to 25k. There are still 20k left (1.4k in project space), which human editors are slowly working through. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Mention templates

I noticed that you tried to ping another user in an edit summary. As noted at Help:Notifications, mention templates don't work in edit summaries. You have to use a normal wikilink in an edit summary, e.g. [[User:xyz]]. Schwede66 02:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

So many things to learn, even after ten years of daily editing! Thanks for letting me know. I may or may not remember. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:31, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

February blitz bling

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User:Jonesey95/sandbox3

Hi Jonesey. This page is helpful for me. Do you intend to continue to update it? It's been a couple weeks.[3] --DB1729^talk 17:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Updated. Thanks for the reminder. I've been working on other stuff recently. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Talk page div

Hi, I see you nowiki'd the end div here on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States regions/temp the other day. That box is called on Template talk:Regions of the United States and is claiming a missing end tag div error over there. I'm commenting here as I'm not seeing a div error with the WikiProject code prior to your addition of the nowiki, (I tested it both in my sandbox and the Wikipedia sandbox and both were clean) and I'm not sure I should just add an end div to the Template Talk page after the call, or if the nowiki isn't actually needed. Was this one of those bizarre ghost issues that only exists in some namespaces but doesn't appear when tested elsewhere, or was it causing issues in other places where the box was called? No complaints of the nowiki'ing, just trying to understand the reason for it, and how I should proceed for the Temp talk issue. Cheers, Zinnober9 (talk) 22:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

This version of the page had a missing </div> tag, which is why I added one. The div at the top of the page was not closed. Each page that transcludes the "/temp" page, like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States regions/1, will also need a closing div tag added at the end of the page. The reason that I put the closing tag inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> (not nowiki) tags is that if I had not, the green box would not have wrapped the entire page content in the transcluding pages. If this all sounds like gibberish, there are literally millions of easier errors to work on. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, so the green wrapping is wanted. Ok. I've seen so many unclosed divs from happy holiday mass mailings where the background color spilled to everything after that I hadn't considered it was wanted thing. Good to know. I'll add the end tag to the bottom of the Template Talk page with a note and be done with it. Thank you for the insight, Zinnober9 (talk) 00:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

That normally happens when somebody copypastes from the template source instead of WP:SUBSTing the template. Every Christmas/new year I clean up a bunch of missing </div> or missing |}. I think that they are assuming that they only need to copy down to the line above the <noinclude> without appreciating that stuff on the same line might also be important. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, and sometimes the template itself was broken, resulting in every proper substitution having Linter errors. Back in the early days of Linter cleanup in 2018, I tidied up hundreds of subst-only and transcluded templates and userboxes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The most widespread proliferation of Lint errors from proper substitution is 71 and 72 in User:MalnadachBot/Task 12/51-100. They were in 330k+ AFD pages each of which was transcluded in a daily AFD log page, totaling 660k+ errors. This and a lot of other broken massmessages makes me think that subst should be used as little as possible. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Ian Gibbons (biochemist)

Thanks very much for your attention to detail and helpful contributions at Ian Gibbons (biochemist). Since he was British, should we use that date convention of Day Month Year? Princessa Unicorn (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Overview of date formatting guidelines. I do not have an opinion one way or another; I looked for the dominant format and made it consistent. The dominant format prior to my edit may not be the right format per the guideline. Discuss on the article's talk page if it is not obvious which of the two formats to use. Once a decision is made, all dates in the article prose should be changed to match the chosen format. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree with you that it should be standardized throughout the article. I also don't really care too much either way. I'll start a discussion on the talk page about it, happy to have your feedback there if you wish! Princessa Unicorn (talk) 18:21, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Usage of electronic cigarettes

Regarding my edit of this article that you reverted: [4] As someone unfamiliar with Linter, I don't know what you mean by your edit summary, "Caused Linter image option error." I assume that it was flagged by Wikipedia:Linter but the message does not suggest to me how I might fix it. I think my edit was consistent with the guidance of Template:As of. If so, I wonder if that guidance might be improved, or if a bug report is warranted? I note that in 2017, cscott posted "Parsing of captions for media is fragile" in Linter.[5] That raises the possibility that my edit was fine, it is Linter that is broken. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Wsiegmund: The problem is indeed the {{asof}} but not both of them. It can't be used in |alt=, because alt text must be unformatted plain text (see WP:ALT#Basics), and the {{asof|2016}} template adds some HTML markup, specifically

<sup class="plainlinks noexcerpt noprint asof-tag update" style="display:none;"><a class="external text" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usage_of_electronic_cigarettes&amp;action=edit">[update]</a></sup>

plus a category, the first of which breaks the HTML for the alt text. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Redrose65 for the cogent explanation. I added Asof to caption but not to |alt=. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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