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I am currently only moderately active on Wikipedia. I've been uploading a lot of my own photos (and occasionally some other images) to the Commons, writing the occasional article, participating in other articles mainly on a "hit-and-run" basis, and maybe doing the occasional translation, but for the foreseeable future, that is my level of participation. I am not being one of the "mainstays", as I was from November 2003 to April 2007. - Jmabel | Talk 04:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archived[edit]

Stray barnstars[edit]

I've moved my barnstars, etc., to User:Jmabel/Barnstars. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stray DYKs[edit]

My DYKs can be found at User:Jmabel/DYK - Jmabel | Talk 00:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding recent refactoring/deletion in my user space[edit]

Hi Jmabel,

[Perhaps Checkingfax and Wikicology might be so kind as to consider and take note of the following as well.]

Please explain what's going on with quote removal on my talkpage. It's my initial feeling that if someone has an issue with something left on my talkpage they need to be communicating such as a request—with context and explanation—to me directly in some manner (such as leaving a message on my talkpage and/or a 'pinging' me from another talkpage). I was considering transcribing the whole thread over to Commons ... So having the thread turned into a 'moving target' by others (without the courtesy of direct communication to me) felt disorientating and distracting. It seems reasonable to expect to have some input into how such gets handled on one's own talkpage, yes?

For example perhaps a bracketed "[A quote formerly in place here was redacted upon request.]" line left in place with the original signature and timestamp might have served to better preserve historical accuracy. But I wasn't given an opportunity in advance to suggest such—or anything else—and instead was just left to address the alteration (or not) myself after-the-fact ... <sigh> ...

If someone else would like to copy the whole thread from my talkpage over to an appropriate thread on Commons and then leave a link appended to the thread on my page noting such ("Discussion continued at ...", etc.) please feel free to do so. As the thread deals with confirming and/or establishing Commons policy it likely should, in retrospect, have taken place there in the first place—perhaps on the discussion page of the file in question. I was planning to copy the thread to Commons with a neatly placed and titled 'collapse top/bottom' template preceded by an introductory line or few and then follow from there with further thoughts/replies/policy research (feel free to consider such as a suggestion at this point; I'm going to divert my attention elsewhere for awhile).
--Kevjonesin (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wikicology is apparently banned from the English-language Wikipedia. I'm the one who originally copied his remark there. He requested (on the thread I posted a link to right after I removed the copied remark) that I remove it, presumably because he doesn't want to be seen as trying to evade the ban by having someone else post his remarks on his behalf. - Jmabel | Talk 04:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jmabel, I don't see "presumably because he doesn't want to be seen as trying to evade the ban by having someone else post his remarks on his behalf" as presenting a problem on my talkpage. You clearly conveyed that you were quoting a public record from elsewhere and indicated that it was you who had done so by signing and dating your comment. If Wikicology wishes to ping me on Commons or leave a message on my talkpage there explaining why they wish me to refactor 'my'* talkpage they're welcome to do so. In the meantime, I'll be restoring your quote-comment that was removed as at present I prefer to let it stand for the record as originally posted. Oh, and, BTW, FWIW, User:Checkingfax followed having been tagged above by making yet another unauthorized deletion at my talkpage. At present I'm inclined to respond to any further unauthorized mucking about in my userspace by initiating administrative action.
*[note: I'm aware my oversight of the User:Kevjonesin namespace is technically a privilege extended by Jimbo Wales, the Wikimedia Foundation, and to some extent the Wikimedia community at large rather than true 'ownership' per se; however, so far as I'm aware it's a matter of both custom and policy/guidelines to extend fairly broad authority to editors over their own user namespace excepting instances where other explicitly stated policy may supersede. At this time I feel inclined to exercise the authority I've been given, such as it is, rather than risk further erosion by rude indifference. I may eventually be open to considering written requests for future changes to be made with the understanding that such may only be implemented either by me or in some manner having received my explicit personal approval, in advance, on a case-by-case basis.]
[Also note: Hosting a Commons policy discussion on my Wikipedia talkpage was initiated by KDS4444 who also took it upon themself to invite others to come and join in. As I've already indicated, I think the relevant file discussion-page at Commons would have made for a more appropriate venue. Especially now that some of the guests to my talkpage have repeatedly shown discourtesy by 'failing to use their turn signals' – ie. by failing to offer me explicit cues and consultation before implementing anomalous actions on my page – and have done so apparently based largely on some dialog on another Wiki with another user, Wikicology, who has not chosen to communicate directly with me at all. Instead they've made use of proxies to extend their will from afar. Which seems quite ironic to me as fear of being perceived as 'using proxies to influence en:Wikipedia' has been presented above as an excuse for doing just that. A grand example of self-fulfilling prophecy!]
--Kevjonesin (talk) 13:11, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please see commons:User_talk:Kevjonesin#Your_talk_page., where Wikicology has clarified that I understood his intent correctly. This is a situation where it is impossible to make everyone happy. You and he are making conflicting demands. My edits to your talk page did not effectively remove information from the discussion: they turned a copy into a link. That seemed to be the closest I could come to accommodating you both. When I made originally copied the remarks, I had no idea Wikicology was banned from the English-language wikipedia. Similarly, he presumably will not be following our discussion here, and certainly cannot respond here. I personally have no problem with you restoring the quotation from him (and certainly no problem with you restoring me saying he's dead wrong), but do be aware that in restoring it you are going against his express request. - Jmabel | Talk 15:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's my understanding that one's contributions to Wikimedia sites (including to talkpage discussions) are by default considered contributions to the public domain. I'll deal with Wikicology on Commons when and as I see fit.
Hi, Kevjonesin. No. Wikimedia contributions are not Public Domain. Wikicology requested that his words be removed and they were not. In good faith I removed them per his request to me. If you did not like the manner that I refactored things, you could have easily cleaned it up without making a federal case about it - and a huge mess. You still have that opportunity. Please remove my signature from your talk page, as I contributed no content to your page, and I do not care to be attributed for that which I am not responsible for. See my edit summaries for rationale. As always, WP:AGF and WP:TPG. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 00:21, 28 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jmabel as you yourself have indicated you were not acting upon the direction of Wikicology when you originally posted the quote in question to my en.Wikipedia user talkpage. However; again as you yourself have indicated, you were acting on behalf of Wikicology – a user banned from en.Wikipedia for—in short—disruptive and erratic editing and deemed untrustworthy and inconsistent by arbcom – when you chose to refactor the comment on my en.Wikipedia user talkpage; as was Checkingfax when he refactored the same comment previous to you (contrary to the very talkpage guidelines he linked in his edit summary wherein he offered vague 'acronym salad' rather than straightforward elaboration as to what had prompted his edit). You both performed an edit to my userspace at en.Wikipedia in response to a request from an indefinitely banned user made upon another Wiki without advance discussion with me or anyone else here on en.Wikipedia, correct? I am befuddled why you both seem to have felt such urgency to extend a courtesy to a self declared banned user speaking from another site, yet have not shown willingness to extend courtesy to me—an active en.Wikipedia editor in good standing—by by for instance including me in deciding how to respond to a request made elsewhere by a banned user regarding refactoring my own talkpage. Checkingfax made a third-party drive by edit without so much as a 'howdy-do', which I reverted, and then you, Jmabel, presumed to revert my reversion on my own talkpage without advance notice or consultation. Is it any wonder that I'm feeling abused and disrespected at this point? Would either of you appreciate it if I (or another editor) presumed to supersede you in your namespace? I reiterate, why have y'all held Wikicology's "express request" to be so urgent and important here on en.Wikipedia while brushing off my interest in being included in shaping my own namespace? I should hope it's clear by now that I feel I've been rudely disregarded in this matter; something along the lines of, "Oops, sorry I stepped on your toes, I'll try to be more careful in the future", would go a long way towards helping me put this to rest. --Kevjonesin (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My initial edit was indeed not at Wikicology's request: it was an effort to comply with User:KDS4444's request at commons:Village pump/Copyright "please respond either at the Village Pump or, ideally, on the talk page of one of the participants here rather than start another thread here at the copyright section of Commons." At the time, I had no idea why Wikicology nonetheless put his comment right there in the copyright section of Commons (in particular, I had no idea he was banned on en-wiki.), so I had no idea that anyone might consider my copying it to the requested location other than constructive. Once I was told (by Wikicology) about Wikicology's ban I tried to remedy my mistake. Again: I replaced a quotation with a link, there was no loss of information. And, again, if you want to leave the quote there despite his wishes, then that doesn't concern me. Of course I'll try to be careful in the future. - Jmabel | Talk 22:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(Goodness, all I was trying to do was create a centralized venue for a discussion— I did not figure it mattered greatly where it took place, so long as it did not take place in three different places. If that resulted in intrusion, then I am very sorry. I did not consider the decision of where to hold the discussion as at all relevant, I just wanted to have the discussion! KDS4444 (talk) 06:26, 21 January 2017 (UTC))Reply[reply]
  • Jmabel, you seem to have again missed my point. The quality of your rationale for reverting on my talkpage is not what I bring into question, but rather whether it was properly your place to do so on your own without consulting me in the first place, regardless of rationale. You lost sight of context, you forgot your surroundings (or so I give you the benefit-of-the-doubt, perhaps in fact you and Checkingfax simply hold no respect for en.Wikipedia customs regarding deference to users in regards to decisions about their own namespace). Whichever it may be, as I now feel you both have been rude guests, and appear to me unapologetic for having done so, I say "Sully my doorstep no more!" (ie. Jmabel and Checkingfax I, Kevjonesin, formerly request that you have no more interaction with my namespace at en.Wikipedia; henceforth do not post to, comment on, or otherwise edit User talk:Kevjonesin without explicit invitation by me to do so). --Kevjonesin (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  • KDS4444, "all I was trying to do was create a centralized venue for a discussion" ... about Wikimedia Commons policy-&-protocol on another's personal talkpage here at en.Wikipedia. By way of analogy, you chose to organize a party at my place, invited guests from another town, and never asked if I wanted to play host. Then after some of the guests you invited were rude to their host, presuming to rearrange as if they were in their own living room, you left me largely on my own to deal with sorting out the aftermath. "I did not consider the decision of where to hold the discussion as at all relevant, I just wanted to have the discussion!" ... Perhaps your desire got the better of your common sense (such has certainly happened to me before). I hope we all may learn to take better care when choosing venues in the future.
KDS4444, you've stated an apology, "If that resulted in intrusion, then I am very sorry."; something others have as yet not seen fit to do. Thank you, I appreciate the gesture. Perhaps you might be so kind as to put that sentiment into action by taking to heart the suggestion I presented at the start of this thread:

If someone else would like to copy the whole thread from my talkpage over to an appropriate thread on Commons and then leave a link appended to the thread on my page noting such ("Discussion continued at ...", etc.) please feel free to do so. As the thread deals with confirming and/or establishing Commons policy it likely should, in retrospect, have taken place there in the first place—perhaps on the discussion page of the file in question. I was planning to copy the thread to Commons with a neatly placed and titled 'collapse top/bottom' template preceded by an introductory line or few and then follow from there with further thoughts/replies/policy research (feel free to consider such as a suggestion at this point; I'm going to divert my attention elsewhere for awhile).

Please transcribe the text from the thread you started on my en.Wikipedia talkpage to the discussion-page of commons:File:Opened scallop shell (with arrows).png, give it an appropriate introduction (eg. "The following has been transcribed from en.Wikipedia and placed here on Commons as it addresses Commons policy in general and this file page specifically."), and then add brief notes elsewhere on Commons where appropriate (ie. where you've previously linked my en.Wikipedia talkpage; a link to the new target with a brief explanation directing folks to no longer use the previous link to my en.Wikipedia userspace should suffice). KDS4444, I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd take responsibility for these 'mopping up' tasks (ie. help clean up after your party at my place) so that I may feel free to get back to addressing the actual Commons policy/protocol issues you've raised regarding file authorship and such. Thanks for your time and consideration, -- Kevjonesin (talk) 12:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kevjonesin: I will stay off of your user talk page in the future. - Jmabel | Talk 18:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thank you.
[Frankly I'm sorry it's come to this Jmabel, but at present—lacking recognition a misstep may have occurred—it seems for the best. Out of respect for your space here, if others continue responding to me on this thread I'll make an effort to continue elsewhere.]
--Kevjonesin (talk) 23:33, 21 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Editing as Activism: Black WikiHistory Month Workshop and Edit-a-thon at UW Bothell[edit]

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Art+Feminism March 2017 at UW Seattle[edit]

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Hackathon to help Wikipedia 1.0[edit]

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Art+Feminism, Saturday, May 6, at Jacob Lawrence Gallery, UW Seattle[edit]

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Can you help verify translations of articles from Romanian[edit]

Hello,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Romanian to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Romanian article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Romanian , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Romanian. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

  • Ellie White – ✓ Pass; accurate, but barely 10% of the Romanian article
  • Pegas – ✓ Pass; cleaned up and should be fine; some contradictions with ro version, but refs support en version so prob. ok
  • Toate pînzele sus – ✓ Pass; basically accurate; English wasn't very good, now fixed. 2 paragraphs in original not translated.
  • Genoese Lighthouse – ✓ Pass; basically solid; I've fixed two minor issues
  • Gelu Barbu – ✓ Pass; "basically accurately translated," but incomplete

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Romanian article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm pretty busy these days, but I'll do my best to put some time into this. - Jmabel | Talk 15:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Mathglot: Done. I've written comments on the respective talk pages rather than just use templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}}. In a few cases I did significant cleanup on the articles, as well. - Jmabel | Talk 06:09, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow, that's great, thank you! I'm still searching for additional helpers for Romanian, in fact, if you can drop a few usernames here or on my talk page of users you know who might be able to help with Romanian (also other Ctrl European languages), I'd love to hear about it. In the meantime while I'm looking, can I pass you another five articles? Thanks again, Mathglot (talk) 06:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Most days I won't have that kind of time to put into it; if you drop me more articles, don't expect anything like comparable response time. I'll get to it, but not necessarily promptly.
  • The problem in terms of contributors who can read Romanian is, unsurprisingly: most of them are native Romanian speakers who are not at a comparable level in English, so they can do a great job of translating English to Romanian, but not vice versa (much as I can competently translate Romanian to English, but not vice versa). I haven't been active enough lately in the English-language Wikipedia to name names of who is currently active and capable of going this direction, but I'd suggest that as this moves forward you just keep an eye out for who does the translations that turn out to be good, and try working with them. - Jmabel | Talk 14:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, Jmabel. Understood, and I appreciate whatever assistance you can provide. Your comment about the ro->en vs en->ro is a good one, I will probably go mine the ro-5 and ro-4 lists and double-check that they are high- or native-English (as opposed to: <ro-4, hu-N, en-1> for example) to make sure they're good in the ro->en direction.
If you do feel like looking at some more, we'd certainly appreciate it, here's the remainder of the list:
List of articles translated from Romanian wikipedia
As far as spending time: it's much more important for us in the short term to get a Pass/Fail assessment, than to have the articles actually fixed. I assume that that would speed things up considerably for you since it's just a binary decision. But we're all volunteers here, so you do whatever you have time for, and what you enjoy.
Thanks again for your help, and happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 23:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FWIW, I only count myself as ro-2, en-N. I wouldn't presume to write anything in Romanian beyond an informal communication, but I read it pretty well. - Jmabel | Talk 23:41, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mathglot: Done. - Jmabel | Talk 20:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you! This is really helpful. I hope it has been enjoyable as well. I will keep my eye out for any more. Note that I've repatriated some of your assessments from talk pages of articles where you wrote more at length, to the list above; if you could just double check briefly to ensure that they are valid restatements of your opinions (which I've quoted and slightly abbreviated) I'd appreciate it. Adding @Elinruby: Mathglot (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes (on the first 5, you seem not to have done this on the others). - Jmabel | Talk 15:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Partly because I don't want to misrepresent your assessments. For example, for Filaret Barbu, when I see a comment like, "′I suspect someone would do well to start this nearly from scratch" I want to call it a "Fail" because if it's easier to delete the article and start it over from scratch, this for me is the very definition of a "fail". But I'd rather hear that from you directly, and not make interpretations.
Do you think you could propagate your assessments from the second batch to your talk page above and assess each as a pass or a fail? I realize that in some cases trying to summarize what may be an extended discussion on that talk page or capture it in just a few words maybe problematic, but it's the nature of the beast. Mathglot (talk) 02:18, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My assessment for Filaret Barbu, which I think I stated pretty clearly, is that someone should start over. What is the use in knowing whether it is an accurate or inaccurate translation of a poor article in Romanian? What matters is that it needs to be rewritten. - Jmabel | Talk 05:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This project has a narrow scope and attempts to answer the question, Should this article be deleted because of a worthless machine translation due to a misconfig in a provided tool? Any of these articles, even if the translation is accurate, may be deleted for any of the numerous reasons that any article may be deleted, such as those listed at CSD, and others. So you're right in a sense, if the original is poor, the worth of an accurate translation is low, and one might better spend one's time calling out that fact, like you have done. If you think it's poor enough to be deleted (i.e., that starting over from scratch would be simpler) then by all means nominate it for deletion if you like, or Prod it (a much easier process) and see if anyone comes forward to deprod. Having said that, the X2 deletion criterion is limited to a specific type of translation problem, and that's what we are trying to address, but that doesn't stop anyone, anytime, from deleting any of these articles for another reason; or even better, fixing them up so they are worth keeping. Nevertheless, you raise some good points which this project doesn't handle well, such as this article, and as you say, what's the point of keeping a good translation of a bad article? The answer, is probably no point, but we can't use X2 to delete it, we'd have to use some other criterion, or fix it up. I hope this answers your question, at least in part. Mathglot (talk) 05:44, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
None of these are poor enough to be deleted. Where they were inaccurate, I've fixed that. However, for Filaret Barbu, what should be the heart of the article is missing in both the Romanian and the English. It's almost as if you wrote about Jackie Robinson as a baseball player and didn't mention race. It would still be a large portion of the article that is ultimately needed, but it would still miss the point. - Jmabel | Talk 15:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I propagated a summary of your evaluations from the respective talk pages to the items in the hide/show list; can you have a quick look to make sure I fairly represented them? In sum, I understand them all to pass, except for the one that can't be compared because the orig was deleted, and also #3153, where I understood an implicit "pass" from your description of your improvements, although it wasn't stated outright. Do these look about right? Mathglot (talk) 07:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you help verify translations of articles from Spanish[edit]

Hello Jmabel,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Spanish to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on the English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Spanish article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Spanish, using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Spanish. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Spanish article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Elinruby (talk) 07:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Elinruby: I am in the midst of doing this for several dozen articles translated from Romanian. I suspect you should find something else: native English speakers with decent Spanish should be pretty easy to come by, but native English speakers with decent Romanian are in short supply. - Jmabel | Talk 14:54, 2 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: Mathglot has been telling me this and and I was just now composing a message to this effect. Indeed, I agree. Your help is welcome with Spanish, where there is a high volume of articles, but you are the only editor we have found so far who can do Romanian so please do carry on with that as a priority. I was not aware you were doing Romanian when I sent the message about Spanish. Thank you for your help. Elinruby (talk) 15:17, 2 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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A kitten for you![edit]

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Hi! I'm extremely new to Wikipedia user-hood, and I was looking for good examples of a user page when I stumbled across yours. Actually, I first saw your name in the discussions section and I wanted to let you know that you're inspiring! Thank you for all you've done here, both with photography and intellectual discourse.

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Personal acquaintances update[edit]

I got verified at WP:Personal acquaintances and completed your third attestation making you confirmed as well. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:35, 22 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • And a trip to Europe! But now we have critical three confirmed users in our region and can build more network locally. Which reminds me, we should hold a meetup soon. ☆ Bri (talk) 05:49, 22 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Woot! Just saw this on the main page and didn't even know it was a DYK nomination. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah. Had a little bit of a battle over it, because it's far from a finished article, but once you took it live it was now or never. - Jmabel | Talk 04:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Precious[edit]

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Thank you for quality articles such as Architecture of Seattle and Casa Capșa, for adding to music, theatre and many more topics, for improving articles, such as Silo of Asturias, for uploading your stunning images, for help in many languages, especially Spanish and Romanian, - Joe, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Two years ago, you were recipient no. 1768 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Strong account security for administrators[edit]

Joe, in case you are interested. Apparently you can use a two-factor auth code generator on either your PC or smartphone. Details are at Wikipedia:Simple 2FA. The instructions are on enwp but there's a similar page on meta so I think it's enabled across all Wikimedia projects. If you do this, please do heed the instructions about keeping written backup codes. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:54, 24 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hello, I have looked at your edits, and they are very well done. Also, you are a nice admin! Great Gonzo (talk) 20:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Elcor, Minnesota[edit]

Hello, Jmabel!

I know you are only moderately active, but would you have any interest in translating the Featured Article Elcor, Minnesota for the Italian Wikipedia? Since many of the immigrants who settled here were from Italy, I think having the article translated in this language is important, especially for any relatives of former residents who may be looking for information about the town. DrGregMN (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @DrGregMN: While I can read Italian pretty well, I would never venture to translate into Italian. You should find a native or near-native Italian speaker for this. - Jmabel | Talk 16:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thanks for the response, Jmabal. Anyone you may suggest?

DrGregMN (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

      • Sorry, no, but look for someone whose Babel box claims it-4, it-5, or it-N. That's the level where translation into a language is feasible. - Jmabel | Talk 17:55, 13 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request of an expansion of an article translating it from the one in Spanish[edit]

Hola, hello, Jmabel, soy un user de la wikipedia en español, le escribo este mensaje porque usted hace traducciones del español al inglés, para pedirle que traduzca una parte del artículo en español de Jurate Rosales, que ya está creado en la Wikipedia en inglés. Se lo pedí a otro wikipedista, que lo hizo, pero es muy breve. Rosales defiende una interesante hipótesis histórica disidente, sostiene que los godos eran un pueblo báltico y que se expandieron hasta la India en expediciones de conquista. La petición es especialmente sobre el apartado 'Tesis sobre los godos'. ¿Podría expandir el texto? (tanto si lo va a hacer como si no ¿podría comunicármelo? Unas palabras bastarán) Un saludo. Regards. Rovirarovere (talk) 19:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Rovirarovere: Me parece intersante. No sé exactamente cuando hay tiempo para hacerlo, pero debía pasar en las próximas dos o tres semanas. - Jmabel | Talk 20:12, 27 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's ok, I'll try to find another translator. Un saludo. Rovirarovere (talk) 17:31, 28 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • ¿Por qué? He comenzado, pero no hay tiempo para hacer todo a la vez. ¿Esperaste que todo se hiciera en un día? - Jmabel | Talk 17:36, 28 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jmabel, le ruego que me perdone, me disculpe y me excuse, I'm really much embarrassed, I'm sorry, me pareció que usted decía educadamente/politely que no quería traducirlo, acabo de mirar en su página de taller y creo que está haciendo un trabajo verdaderamente excepcional. Perdóneme, si es posible, por el innecesario malentendido. I didn't ask to anyone else to make the translation. You began to make it. There is nos reason for you not to follow working on it. I'm really sorry for the misunderstanding. Un saludo. Rovirarovere (talk) 18:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello,, thank you very much. Your translation is a first class job, may be I should translate it into spanish. You deserve be awarded with a golden medal for it (and also with a silver one and a bronze one). I made a few changes on it (punctuation), I think there was a confusion in the second paragraph. And may be it's not necessary to mention escita and Escitia in spanish (they were borrowed from latin), what Rosales holds is that the origin of those words is baltic. Sinceramente, enhorabuena, congratulations. Muchas gracias. Un saludo. Rovirarovere (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Thanks. I tried to improve the writing rather than just translate literally.
  • With reference to escita and Escitia: since I didn't have her original text (presumably in Spanish) at hand, I had no way to know exactly what she had written. I was assuming she was drawing from the text of the Crónica, so Spanish seemed perfectly likely. - Jmabel | Talk 19:12, 3 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jmabel, It's all right. Well, if you are interested in this subject, Rosales' book "Los godos" can be found with this title [DOC]Jurate Rosales - Los Godos - IES T-004 Normal, the part about the Baltic etimologies for Spanish words seems really wrong in quite a few cases but that doesn't disprove her hypothesis, and also the American historian or orientalist Sundeep Jhutti has a work published in internet "The Getes"[1] which could be described as definitive. Maybe translating 'lugar de paso' as 'place of passing' and 'transeunte' as 'transient' is too literal, I think that translations of the kind of 'land to go through/across' or 'walker, traveler' (as examples) would be more explanatory, but you are the English native speaker and the article is yours, if you think that they are good enough it's ok. Un saludo.Rovirarovere (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Those are certainly the closest literal equivalents of the Spanish you used. Since I don't have access to Rosales' text, I have no context to improve on them. transeunte, in particular, can have quite a range of meaning. If the intent was "traveler", wouldn't viajero have been a more likely choice? "Transient" emphasizes the "just passing through" aspect, as I believe does transuente. For lugar de paso, on further thought perhaps "place of passage" would be better than "place of passing"; am I correct that the connotation in Spanish is a particularly place that is relatively easy to get through, when what is to either side would not be, as (for example) a mountain pass, or a dry ridge in a boggy land?
  • Sorry that I don't have any interest in tracking down & reading the book, but I don't. Her views make Daco-Romanian continuity seem rock solid, by contrast. - Jmabel | Talk 20:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jmabel, those translations are totally appropriate and their connotations are right in this case, the suggestion was meant to express in a clear way that Scythia is a land and that Scythian is somebedy who goes across it; without a doubt, the Spanish translations become clear in the context of Rosales' explanation (which you don't need to read), she says that they have the same origin of the lithuanian verb "eiti" 'to go', etc., but also in Spanish they are somewhat of cold, aseptic definitions, and I suggested only a translation with more common English words because "transient", especially, seems a bookish one. I'm sorry if I'm punctilious or fussy (puntilloso o quisquilloso). I've just realized that there is a mistake in the text in Spanish about asčiai it should be aisčiai. Aside from it I have no other "objection". Rovirarovere (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, ok, aside from a [ is missing in the edit source for Scythian, I have nothing more to say, I'm really surprised for the speed of the reaction to the message. Un saludo. Rovirarovere (talk) 18:39, 6 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikidata documentation and RFC[edit]

Hi Joe

It was a real pleasure to meet you at Wikimedia Conference, as promised here is a list of the Wikidata documentation i've written so far:

As we discussed I think the next step is to outline the user journeys for different kinds of contributors in an RFC and then create Phabricator tickets for each task, then organisations and volunteers can allocate resources to addressing them. I'll share something with you in the week or so for you take a look at.

Best

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Translation help request of 2 Argentine Spanish articles[edit]

Hello, can you please help me translate es:Historias breves to Historias breves, and es:Rey Muerto (cortometraje) to Rey muerto??

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  • @StevenSuperstar: I should be able to work on this, though not necessarily this next week. - Jmabel | Talk 06:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @StevenSuperstar: Rey Muerto done; capitalization of that title follows English-language conventions. - Jmabel | Talk 23:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Jmabel: Thank you !! You're amazing!! - StevenSuperstar (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @StevenSuperstar: the other is now largely done at User:Jmabel/Historias Breves. Two things where we will probably need help from a native speaker of Spanish:
    • I suspect Niños envueltos has a meaning beyond what I could glean, either a play on some other phrase or a connotation of envuelto that I'm missing. I know the word envuelto often shows up in the name of foods along the lines of what we'd call a "wrap", maybe that's all that's going on.
    • I can only sort of make sense of "en la que el personaje es una tarotista que trabaja en una línea erótica, recibe una valija con dólares marcados para sacarla del país a los fines de su lavado." Roughly: "in which the personage [I assume 'protagonist'] is a tarot reader who [literally: 'works in an erotic line' but what on earth does that mean?], and receives a suitcase of marked dollars to take them out of the country to launder the money."
    • I have no idea of your level of Spanish (if any). Should I try to engage the original author, or do you have someone available who might help out? - Jmabel | Talk 05:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Jmabel: Thanks again! You're awesome. I asked three Spanish-speaking friends for translation help, and only one responded haha. She said "envueltos" in this case might mean "intertwined", and she translated the second thing to "in which the main character is a tarot card reader who works in an erotic store (sex shop) and receives a briefcase full of money with instructions to take it out of the country for laundering." Hope this helps! - StevenSuperstar (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Collier's Encyclopedia[edit]

Hi Jmabel! We met at the Seattle Wikipedia meet-up. One of the items on my to-do list is to do some work on the Collier's Encyclopedia entry. If you have a chance, take a look at the page for Crowell-Collier Publishing Company. In my quest to document publishing history--my hope is to up the game and provide a comprehensive story of who owned who, who bought who, who then became what, how their book/magazine lines changed over time, etc. In this entry, I started with the story of Crowell Publishing Company and the founder P.P. Mast and then it ends with them becoming Macmillan. I also covered a bit of how they went into the 1950s and grew the educational market. I'm planning on going back through the materials I sourced on the Crowell-Collier page to then flesh out the Collier's Encyclopedia page. I have a few entries on the various lawsuits, etc. I'd appreciate any feedback you have. Auldhouse (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll be on the lookout for errors like that. I'm assuming the book should always go back to the publisher of record at the time the first edition was published. Auldhouse (talk) 16:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Auldhouse: In an article about a book: absolutely. In a citation, of course, you should cite the edition you actually used. - Jmabel | Talk 17:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Can I request for a translation of a permissions request letter?[edit]

Hello and good day. For more than a year now, I've been trying to get a free image of the Japanese singer Konomi Suzuki, but have been unable to get one; the people and events I've asked have either been unable to respond, declined, or had licensing problems. I am asking this because right now she is in Brazil for an anime convention (for reference, the event's Facebook page is at this link), and I was hoping to ask permission from them for photos they've taken of her. Would it be alright for you if you would be able to translate a letter I will send you (based on the example at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission#Semi-formal, Polite, Concise) so I could send it to them? Thank you and happy editing. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Narutolovehinata5: I don't think my Portuguese is good enough for a translation into Portuguese. Like many Spanish-speakers, I read Portuguese reasonably well, but I have some trouble expressing myself. User:DarwIn is a native Portuguese speaker with good English, and would be a better bet for this. - Jmabel | Talk 23:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Noted. Thanks for the response, though I've also contacted two other editor so far about this. Since DarwIn hasn't edited since the beginning of the month, if you have any more suggestions on who I could be referred to, that would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: I don't edit much here at wiki-en, but I'm around. ;) About the translation: Sure, in a second (I hope Jmabel doesn't mind placing it here):

Caro/a (note:male/female) <Dr.> (note:use Dr. if the person has some kind of degree) <insert first+last name>: Sou um dos muitos editores voluntários da Wikipédia (wikipedia.org), uma enciclopédia colaborativa baseada na Web.

Venho respeitosamente solicitar sua permissão para usar esta excelente imagem, <anexada, ou no seu sítio da Internet, <add link here>>, como conteúdo da Wikipédia, no artigo Konomi Suzuki. A Wikipédia é uma enciclopédia multicultural de conteúdo aberto que ambiciona ter conteúdo completo e confiável. Voluntários de todo o mundo trabalham colaborativamente na criação de conteúdo, mas a Wikipedia depende de imagens como a sua para ilustrar esse conteúdo de forma clara.

É para essa nobre finalidade que lhe faço este pedido. No entanto, para que a Wikipédia possa usar conteúdo fornecido por você, precisamos que concorde com a licença Creative Commons Atribuição-CompartilhaIgual 3.0 Não Adaptada (CC BY-SA 3.0) (muitas vezes referida como CC-BY-SA). Esta licença permite que conserve seus direitos autorais e a autoria sobre seu trabalho, mas permite aos outros usarem, copiarem e partilharem seu trabalho de forma livre, incluindo em possível uso comercial, desde que não tentem chamar a si mesmos os direitos de autor de seu trabalho, ou tentem impedir que outros o usem ou copiem livremente (e.g., "CompartilhaIgual"). Pode ler o texto completo da licença aqui: "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.pt_BR".

Caso me autorize o uso desta imagem, seu trabalho será reconhecido, <e> ficará escrito que está sendo usado com sua autorização e, caso deseje, colocaremos uma ligação para seu sítio da Internet.

Fico-lhe muito grato (note:"grata", in case you're a female) pela sua atenção a este pedido. Por favor informe-me de sua decisão <por mail, email, telefone, etc.> e eu agradecidamente o enviarei para a Fundação Wikimedia.

Muito obrigado, e espero que considere aceitar este meu pedido.

Atenciosamente, <real name>

I'll also try to ask someone from Wiki.pt to help you in that quest. :)

All the best, Darwin Ahoy! 00:24, 14 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DarwIn:. Thanks. However, it would be nice if it could be mentioned in the letter that the image would be for our article on Konomi Suzuki. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done Darwin Ahoy! 16:12, 14 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks very much. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:12, 15 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Proposed deletion of Rudolph Marks[edit]

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Wikipedia Day 2019 — curating images from Asahel Curtis and older Seattle photos[edit]

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Tuesday evening, January 15, 2019, 6-9pm at Wayward Coffeehouse, 6417 Roosevelt Way NE #104, Seattle WA 98115

Wikipedia Day celebrates the anniversary of the founding of Wikipedia. This year in Seattle, Cascadia Wikimedians' celebration of Wikipedia Day will focus on a different closely related project: Wikimedia Commons, which (among other things) functions as the media repository for Wikipedia. When you see a photo or map in Wikipedia, or hear an audio clip, etc., it usually is hosted on Wikimedia Commons and "transcluded" into Wikipedia.

Wikimedia Commons is a mix of users' own works and curated third-party content, either public domain or free-licensed. Our event is a hands-on workshop in curating third-party content, mostly early 20th-century photos of Seattle and other West Coast locations.

Currently, Wikimedia Commons has two intersecting sets of older photos, one from the Asahel Curtis Photo Company and the other a more general set of Seattle images. At this meetup, we will celebrate the 18th anniversary of Wikipedia by further curating these images by the creation and addition of categories, adding ImageNotes where useful, linking other versions of the same photo, enhancing the descriptions, and identifying and correcting errors. User:Jmabel has already categorized over 1000 images and corrected several hundred wrong dates, misidentified buildings, and etc., but there is much more to be done.

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martha Choe[edit]

I reviewed this, and I am not convinced she is notable. Let's have an AfD and see what happens. If there is consensus she is notable, we can remove the tag, but IMHO that's a promotional entry on a non-notable individual. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Registered historic places[edit]

You have noted in comments at headings in various articles: "Registered Historic Places" is a proper noun, keep it capitalized. What is your basis for this? Seems wrong. Dicklyon (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Those sources don't really support capping "Nationally Registered Historic Place"; one is just a motel ad and the other doesn't have it in a sentence. Books also don't. There's a lot unnecessary capping on web pages, but WP style is to avoid that, per MOS:CAPS. I'll work on case fixes; we can decide later if there's a better term. Dicklyon (talk) 05:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Women’s History Wikithon, Washington State History Museum, Saturday 3/9[edit]

Come document women's history in Washington state!
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Scholars and interested citizens are invited to come together for an afternoon of collaboration to create or improve Wikipedia pages related to Washington State’s suffrage history. Learn from seasoned “Wikipedians” how to edit wiki pages, and work in small groups with women’s history experts. Honor Women’s History Month by updating our reference materials to reflect the dedicated work of Washington’s women suffragists. Bring a brown bag lunch, we’ll provide snacks. Hosted by Washington State Historical Society.

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Good Night[edit]

Would it be a good idea to translate this article into English? I never asked you for anything. 2804:14C:5BB5:A5B7:214A:A1BD:7097:D221 (talk) 11:22, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • It certainly deserves to be translated, but my Portuguese is only at about the pt-1 level and I'm really busy both on Commons and in outside life, so I'm not necessarily the best person to do it. Do me a favor: if no one else picks it up before mid-April, feel free to get back to me and I'll try to find the time. - Jmabel | Talk 17:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: The deadline has passed. Now you can? 2804:14C:5BB5:A5C6:2134:DFD4:477D:925A (talk) 05:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Consider me informed, but I have absolutely no idea when I will have time to do this. - Jmabel | Talk 05:38, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Art+Feminism, Jacob Lawrence Gallery, Saturday, April 6th, 1-5 PM[edit]

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 Wikipedia’s gender trouble is well-documented. In a 2011 survey, the Wikimedia Foundation found that less than 10% of its contributors were women. While the reasons for the gender gap are up for debate, the practical effect of this disparity is not: content is skewed by the lack of representation from women.

Let’s change that.

To help change this, the Jacob Lawrence Gallery is continuing a series of Edit-a-thons to improve Wikipedia's coverage of womxn and gender non-binary artists of color.

Childcare, snacks from local businesses, and editing tutorials will be provided.

All you need to bring is your laptop, power cord, and ideas. No previous Wikipedia experience required!

Everyone is welcome. Access to UW wifi will be provided for non-UW affiliated participants.

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RSVP through this Facebook event link.

When: Saturday, Apr. 6, 2019, 1–5 PM
Where: Jacob Lawrence Gallery, Art Building #132, 1915 NE Chelan Ln, Seattle, WA 98105
Event Sponsors: Jacob Lawrence Gallery, School of Art + Art History + Design
Event Page: Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon
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Good night (2)[edit]

Could you - if you please and can - translate this article to the English speakers please? att 2804:14C:5BB5:A5C6:E129:3929:667F:5D69 (talk) 05:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Again: (1) I'm only a pt-1 level of Portuguese and (2) I work mainly on Commons. You would probably do well to find someone with more Portuguese and more time for Wikipedia. In addition, at the moment I am very backed up with tasks, both on Commons and "in real life." - Jmabel | Talk 05:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here would also be a good translation. 2804:14C:5BB5:A5C6:D97C:43B6:F8B0:3EF1 (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Translation of Villa Annoni[edit]

Hi, are you available to translate this article https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Annoni from Italian into English? There are a lot of American tourists coming to Cuggiono to see the Villa and I think it would be helpful to have an article in their mother tongue. --DelicateAloe (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@DelicateAloe: I'm really up to my eyeballs with the projects I'm doing on Commons (not to mention my actual job). If you can find someone else to take this on, that would be good. I doubt I can get to it the next few months. - Jmabel | Talk 18:15, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, it's not urgent at all. I have tried asking other translators, too. If you ever have the time, do it. Otherwise, thanks for the prompt reply. --DelicateAloe (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Translation needed[edit]

Hi,

I noticed your username at Wikipedia:Translators available. Will you please help with translation of the following text (Villar, Francisco (2011). Lenguas, genes y culturas en la prehistoria de Europa y Asia suroccidental. Ediciones Universidad de Salamanca. p. 751. ISBN 978-84-7800-135-4.) to English language which probably may be used to expand article on Illyrian languages:

En los Balcanes noroccidentales, donde tampoco hay un predominio cla-ro de ninguno de los dos haplogrupos, se asentaban las lenguas ilirias habla-das por una serie de tribus distintas. Los esfuerzos de muchos estudiosos del tema para establecer si el ilirio pertenecía al grupo centum o al satem han tenido como resultado la recopilación de un manojo de rasgos contradicto-rios, algunos de los cuales parecen apuntar en una dirección y otros en la contraria. En realidad no hay otro fundamento que su vecindad geográfica para suponer que todas las lenguas habladas en esa zona de los Balcanes pertenecieran a un mismo grupo dialectal.

Thanks in advance.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In the northwestern Balkans, where none of these haplogroups ever clearly predominated, the Illyrian languages spoken by a series of distinct tribes took root. Much study expended on the question of whether Illyrian belongs to the centum or satem group has resulted in collecting a batch of contradictory features, some of which appear to point one direction and others the other. In reality, there is no basis other than common geography to suppose that all the languages spoken in this zone of the Balkans belong to the same dialectal group.

"took root" is a bit loose, but the Spanish "se asentaban" (a reflexive form of "they settled") doesn't work in English. "common geography" is also loose, the Spanish is "su vecindad geográfica"; "vecinidad" in this sense does not translate literally into English, we don't use "vicinity" that way. - Jmabel | Talk 23:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you very much.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seattle Wiknic 2019[edit]

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yay thanks[edit]

Was nice to see the Keister image uploaded. As a former Seattleite and former resident of Romania (now Vermonter) it's nice to see sometime traveling alone similar Wikipathways. Hooray and hello Jessamyn (talk) 23:43, 26 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Thanks! I believe I was last in Romania more recently than I was last in Vermont... - Jmabel | Talk 00:04, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Editing as Activism: Edit-A-Thon to Correct Systemic Bias in Wikipedia[edit]

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Help address the systematic biases relating to gender, race, and social class that lead to under-representation of topics, people, and organizations on Wikipedia.

When: Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9am–1pm
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Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon: Womxn Artists of the Pacific Northwest[edit]

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  • The ‘Big Four,’ or the four white male artists that comprised the Northwest School, were the subject of the famous 1953 LIFE magazine article, "Mystic Painters of the Northwest": Guy Anderson, Kenneth Callahan, Morris Graves, and Mark Tobey. Each of these artists have robust pages on Wikipedia. However, key female-identifying artists from this time such as Margaret Gove Cafferman — who Mark Tobey cited as an influence on his work — lack Wikipedia articles.[* 1] To help address the imbalance of representation on Wikipedia, the Jacob Lawrence Gallery is organizing an Art + Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon focused on female-identifying artists of the Pacific Northwest.
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Please join us for our Cascadia Wikimedians annual meeting, Monday, December 23, 5:30pm PST[edit]

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German Translation[edit]

Hello Jmabel,

Would you be bale to translate the below article for the German wikipedia? I have been making requests to translators on the List of German translators. Have not yet had any replies.

https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=List_of_graffiti_and_street_art_injuries_and_deaths (Happy to have replies any on my talk page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyxyzyz (talk • contribs) 22:42, 1 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Xyxyzyz: Sorry, I don't consider my German good enough to translate into German. - Jmabel | Talk 22:58, 1 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

VPR thread on requesting action from WMF Legal[edit]

When you closed the VPR thread requesting that WMF Legal take action, did you contact anyone in the WMF linking them to it? If so, did they say anything in response?

(I know Doc James mentioned that he would share it with the rest of the board, but I'm assuming this isn't primarily going through the board.) --Yair rand (talk) 01:30, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Yair rand: No I did not. Someone asked for an uninvolved administrator to close the thread and indicate the consensus, and that is what I did. Someone involved is perfectly capable of informing WMF, no need to ask someone uninvolved. - Jmabel | Talk 02:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Understood. Thank you. --Yair rand (talk) 02:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I will forwards the closure to the board aswell. Will need to get advice on if anything effective can be done and what are the potential risks and benefits. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:10, 6 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed deletion of Șapte Seri[edit]

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Uploading images to an infobox[edit]

Hi Jmabel, I want to upload the image on this page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bailey_Doogan,_American_artist.jpg

to the infobox in the listing for Bailey Doogan. The image is already entered in the stored set of images for the Bailey Doogan article. (I don’t know what that space is called, but it’s where all the other images that have been uploaded into the article are stored.) If you go to do a manual insert, this image comes up as one of the options to choose. I just don’t know how to insert the image into the infobox rather into than the article itself.

Thanks! Dactyl123 (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Dactyl123: I don't see any reason to believe that is appropriately licensed. Unless you have a clear source to cite for that license being granted by the copyright holder (in which case, indicate it), then the copyright holder needs to go through the process described at commons:COM:OTRS. Your indicated source for the photo is the subject of the photo, so she is almost certainly not the photographer, which means she is almost certainly not the copyright-holder.
  • Also: assuming you can sort out the copyright, you should add some relevant categories. Category:Women is pretty useless here. The fact that it is a picture of a woman is not why it should be of interest. - Jmabel | Talk 19:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Further: I assume you want to add it to en:Bailey Doogan. Once you get the copyright sorted out -- and, please, not before -- you can edit source to add "| image = Bailey_Doogan,_American_artist.jpg" as a line in the Infobox at the top of that page, right under the line for her name. - Jmabel | Talk 20:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the info. The photo is by Bailey Doogan’s daughter. I’ll get an email from the daughter giving her permission. What I got was an email from Doogan giving her daughter’s permission second hand to use the photo. I did the Category:Women as a sample to see if I was doing it right and didn’t get back to adding more categories, which I’ll do. Writing for Wikpedia has been an ongoing learning curve. I did this article, plus other things, as part of my first Art + Feminism WP Edit-a-Thon. It was all via Zoom, thanks to Covid-19. Even so, I think we got quite a bit done. Dactyl123 (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed article name change - Bayonne statute[edit]

I see that you originally posted the English translation of the Bayonne Statute article, so I am contacting you directly. I posted on the talk page the following: I propose the article be changed to include the word "constitution." In the original document it is explicitly called a constitution (Constitution of 1808, PDF). It was drawn up after Napoleon invaded Spain; he sought to transfer the monarchy to his brother Joseph and provide a legal basis for his rule. To that end a "junta española" was convoked in Bayonne in 1808. The constitution was signed by Joseph as king, with other signatories being the Spaniards who approved the document. The Spanish Constitution of 1812, often called Spain's first written constitution, is a document that, in fact, was influenced by the Bayonne Constitution, with Spanish America being accorded representation. The title "Bayonne Statute" obscures, likely deliberately, the fact that Spain had a constitution prior to the one drawn up by the Cortes of Cádiz. I don't want to do a redirect from the existing title without community discussion.Amuseclio (talk) 18:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)AmuseclioReply[reply]

@Amuseclio: No question given your PDF that the people who drafted it called it that; conversely, I'm pretty confident that the English-language literature on the subject usually calls it the "Bayonne Statute," and analogously in Spanish. (If you think I'm wrong about that, please feel free to make a case.) So unless you can show that it is more common to refer to it as a "constitution," the article should at its current title, but we absolutely should mention that it was self-described as a constitution, and if possible discuss the history of who has and has not referred to it as such, probably meriting a section in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 18:48, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, and thanks for getting hold of me to discuss this! - Jmabel | Talk 18:49, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I did a quick Google Scholar search for both "Constitution of Bayonne" and "Bayonne Statute." Overwhelmingly authors use Constitution of Bayonne, not Statute of Bayonne. Relatively few authors in English mention the Bayonne document; it does not appear in the title of any monograph or article of an English-language publication. An article by Wilman Amaya León, "El Estatuto de Bayona. La primera carta liberal de América Latina." Verba Iuris 33 (2015) does place it in the title. Fifteen authors in French and Spanish include "Constitution of Bayonne" in the title. I'll add a selection from the list to the further reading section of the current WP article.Amuseclio (talk) 20:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)AmuseclioReply[reply]
If that's the balance of it, that sounds pretty clear, go for it. Probably post on the talk page what you just posted here to explain what you are on about. - Jmabel | Talk 20:51, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jack Block Park[edit]

I replied to a plagiarism allegation at Talk:Jack Block Park. You might find the outcome interesting. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 06:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sharing[edit]

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Hey, could you help me translate[edit]

Hey, could you help me translate the article Fabrizio Romano into Italian? I have already started the page here, but I would appreciate some help. I do not speak Italian, but I am determined to get this done. Thanks for your help. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Paul Vaurie: my apologies, but I'm not much use translating into Italian. I read Italian pretty well by triangulating between Romanian and Spanish, but for writing I'm no better than Google Translate. You should probably look for a native Italian-speaker with decent English. - Jmabel | Talk 02:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: Hey, thanks for responding. Do you know anybody like this? On the translators thing, most users are inactive. Paul Vaurie (talk) 02:13, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just put a request at the bar thing. I'll see what happens. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: They reverted my edits (??). Can you please put in a request for me? Paul Vaurie (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
* @Paul Vaurie: Sorry, who reverted what edits? Diff? - Jmabel | Talk 00:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jmabel: Basically, on the "Bar" thing in Italian, I tried asking for help translating, and they just reverted my edit (the edit where I tried making a submission.) Apparently I did something wrong. Can you please put in a message in there asking for help translating the article Fabrizio Romano in Italian, and please say that I asked you to write that message. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Paul Vaurie: Really? I don't see any trace of your edit or of reversion. It seems odd that they would have scrubbed the history.
I didn't notice this before but (I'm guessing you worked this out) it looks like their protocols are a little different from ours. Questions are posted at it:Discussioni Wikipedia:Bar, not it:Wikipedia:Bar, and it looks like they often move them elsewhere & leave a link. - Jmabel | Talk 23:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And where User:Valepert reverted you, his comment is just "cambuso allo sportello", which, to be honest, makes no sense to me. I know all three words, but they make no sense together. "Cambusa" is like a kitchen, nautical I think; I've never heard of "cambuso". "sportello" is a counter (in the sense of where you prepare a meal). Makes no sense at all. @Valepert: you list en-3 in your Babel, which is definitely better than my Italian, so I'll keep this in English. What is going on here, why did you revert Paul, is there somewhere different he should have made the request and (for my own curiosity) what did you mean by "cambuso allo sportello"? - Jmabel | Talk 00:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
hi! on it.wiki cambusa means "move/archive discussions (to the right place)", sportello (informazioni) is the Italian equivalent of Wikipedia:Help desk. the original request is now here. sorry for the confusion! --valepert (talk) 07:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Paul Vaurie: So it looks like your request was just moved to the right place & everything is fine.
@Valepert: Is that any thing like a normal meaning of cambusa/cambuso in Italian or is it Wikipedia jargon? I kind of triangulate on Italian from near-fluent Spanish and good foreigner's Romanian. And I'm sure you can understand why neither Paul nor I had context for sportello (especially in conjunction with cambusa, where it almost but not quite made literal sense)! - Jmabel | Talk 07:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So: the etymology of cambuso turns out to be the same as the American English caboose. About two hours from where I (Jmabel) live in Seattle, in the rural town of Elbe, Washington, the Hobo Inn is a quasi-hotel made out of old railway rolling stock, about a third of them cabooses (see one here in the foreground). I photographed it in 2014.
I think it's old it.wiki jargon. in 2005 the users who archive the old discussions start to call themselves "cambusieri" (an old nautical term for storeman/warehouseman) and the related words ("cambusa", "cambusare", etc.) are still in use today. --valepert (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  1. @Valepert and Paul Vaurie: Ha! so my wretched triangulated Italian had the etymology almost right, just no clue about the jargon usage.
  2. I haven't done enough on Wiktionary to know their customs, but shouldn't wikt:cambusare give at least a link to wikt:cambusa? (And possibly a see also link back?) Doesn't Wiktionary deal with etymology?
  3. I see that wikt:cambusa covers the jargon meeting as well as the literal. Does Wiktionary not give conjugations of verbs? Unsurprisingly, "cambuso" as such got no relevant Google hits, probably would have if it appeared verbatim anywhere on the relevant page.
  4. "from Middle Dutch kabuys." So it must is the same etymology as English caboose, which apparently (I did not know this) once meant "A small galley or cookhouse on the deck of a small vessel" so OMG I was right on the mark with "like a kitchen, nautical I think"! In America, caboose is mainly the traditional last car on a freight train, which included a small kitchen.
Jmabel | Talk 13:47, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright problem on Union Free School District[edit]

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://www.erschools.org/district/what_does_union_free_mean_, which is not released under a compatible license. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, some content had to be removed, and I paraphrased some. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 14:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Diannaa: I prefer to keep discussions in a single place. I hope pinging you suffices, but I'll also leave a note on your talk page directing you back here.
I feel that the amount of quotation I used there (all of it made clear by citation) was well within the acceptable. I'm pretty sure that few of the phrases I quoted were original with that site; they're pretty boilerplate as description of the legal concept of a Union Free School District. I kind of wish you'd consulted with me beforehand, and especially before suppressing my versions, which makes it very difficult to see diffs as a means of seeing exactly what you've changed and to tell what phrases you found problematic.
For what it's worth, I'm also an admin and have been a Wikipedian since 2003. I think I have a pretty good sense of what is and is not an acceptable amount of quotation. I'm not going to argue this heavily -- what you've left seems fine -- but in the future if you think my edits are so problematic that you need to remove them from the history and hide even the fact that the work in question was my contribution, I'd appreciate being engaged before the fact, rather than after. I'm mainly on Commons now, but I doubt I have ever left a note on this talk page unread for even 24 hours, unless perhaps I was in transit. Leaving the content there for (in this case) a few minutes wouldn't have killed anyone. Jmabel | Talk 14:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Jmabel. You should be able to readily review what I removed and paraphrased by looking at this diff. The content is a match for the copyright source document. It's not "boilerplate"; it's copyright text, and we are therefore not allowed to include it unaltered. I did paraphrase the short quotation that you used, but I did that in a separate edit, which makes it easy for you to view separately.
Since there's only a very small group of people working on copyright cleanup, discussion of each individual violation is not practical. The high volume of potential violations that need to be assessed each day (75 to 100 cases) precludes the possibility of discussing each case with the editor involved or waiting to do the revision deletion at some later time. To do so would easily double or triple the time it takes each day to review all the reports. — Diannaa (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am watch-listing this page for a while, so there's no need for a talkback template— Diannaa (talk) 15:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Talkback template was only because you specifically wrote, "Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions." - Jmabel | Talk 15:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. In "One or more revisions of this diff has been removed from the public archives…" as an administrator, there is a place I can click through and view the diff. On the specifics, you removed several things that as far as I can tell had nothing to do with copyright issues. I hate to be spending time on this -- I already wrote "I'm not going to argue this heavily… what you've left seems fine," but if you insist on saying I was violating copyrights, then I guess I'm compelled to give a detailed defense of my text as written. Would you be willing to restore the revisions you deleted so that I can point at diffs to make my case, or am I going to have to do this in such a manner that any non-admin looking at this accusation will have to take my word (or not) that I am describing this accurately?
Again: I'm not saying that you need to engage the original author every time you think something might raise copyright issues. I'm saying that when you are dealing with another admin who is also a major contributor to the site over time, you shouldn't be so sure that you are the one who understands the situation better and that they couldn't possibly be right. I would not have done this to your edits. - Jmabel | Talk 15:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is a side by side comparison of what I took out and the source document. Overlapping material is highlighted in bold.
Your addition:

The term, dating from 1853, has nothing to do with labor unions. It related to a "union" (joining together) of two or more common school (K-8) districts joining to provide a high school.

Union free school districts are governed by a board of education composed of between three and nine members who serve three, four or five year terms. Board size within these limits may be changed by the voters of the district. See Education Law 1702-1703.

Source document:

However, the "Union Free" in the district's official name has nothing to do with labor unions. As originally conceived, the legislation contemplated two or more common school districts joining to provide a high school.

Union free school districts are governed by a board of education composed of between three and nine members who serve three, four or five year terms. Board size within these limits may be changed by the voters of the district. See Education Law 1702-1703.

— Diannaa (talk) 16:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Again, I would much rather see copy restored so that we can do diffs in the normal manner.

While what you are saying is technically true, I believe it is very misleading. In particular, the bulk of what comes from the source here, "Union free school districts are governed by a board of education composed of between three and nine members who serve three, four or five year terms. Board size within these limits may be changed by the voters of the district. See Education Law 1702-1703," is not original with the site in question, but is quoted by them, with attribution, from "A Guide to the Reorganization of School Districts in New York State from the New York State Education Department describes a Union Free School District". Admittedly, New York State publishes documents like this under something equivalent to an "NC" license but a quotation of this length from a government document that clarifies a law is certainly fair use. The East Rochester Union Free School District obviously felt free to quote a passage ten times that length on a fair use basis, from which I took this. You removed it entirely without even a paraphrase.

So we are left with "has nothing to do with labor unions" and "two or more common school districts joining to provide a high school." The latter is also verbatim from "A Guide to the Reorganization…" The former, "has nothing to do with labor unions" is admittedly a 7-word phrase quoted directly. I don't think that violates anyone's copyright, but if you really felt it amounted to a plagiarism, it would seem like that could have been resolved simply by placing it in quotation marks, not by removing it. It does make an important point, given how many people misunderstand "union free…" as meaning "union-free".

Further, and on a matter of accuracy rather than copyright. You changed "related to a 'union' (joining together) of two or more common school (K-8) districts joining to provide a high school" to "signifies that two or more common school districts were organized to provide a high school to serve all their students." That is not strictly true. While the name is related to providing a high school, it dow not signify that they are necessarily organized for that purpose. As indicated elsewhere in the rather short article, "thirty of 151 existing union free school districts provide only elementary education" and "16 'special act' union free districts serve only children resident in specific childcare institutions," so it is extremely unlikely that those ever had a high school in mind. - Jmabel | Talk 17:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am aware that the prose also appears in the document published by the State of New York, but that document is not compatibly licensed either. Regarding the possibility of fair use, Wikipedia has a very strict copyright policy, stricter in some ways than copyright law itself, because our fair use policy does not allow us to copy material from copyright sources when there's a freely licensed alternative available. In this case the freely licensed material is prose that we write ourselves. Short properly attributed quotations are permitted, but prose written by Wikipedians is preferred. Please see WP:NFCCP for more information.— Diannaa (talk) 21:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Diannaa: We are both longstanding contributors and admins. I believe I am not addressing you as if you are unfamiliar with policy (please indicate where I've done that if I have), but that is how you are addressing me.
Paraphrase is entirely acceptable but:
  1. Even if you feel that this was an issue in terms of my words needing to be edited, I believe you are conceding that it was well within the range of fair use (in the legal sense, not the Wikipedia policy sense) so there was no reason to delete my intervening versions from the history.
  2. I believe the explanation is important that this term absolutely does not mean "union-free" in the sense of excluding labor unions because the term is often misunderstood that way. You did not paraphrase that, you removed it.
  3. As I stated above, I believe your reworded phrase that begins "signifies…" is not accurate as you have worded it.
  4. You removed, rather than paraphrased the statement about the composition of school boards, which is an important part of the legal definition of a Union Free School Districts. - Jmabel | Talk 22:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  1. I do understand the difference between fair use law in the United States and Wikipedia's copyright policy. Wikipedia's copyright policy is stricter. Your second point is not correct however, as our revision deletion policy calls for redaction of violations of Wikipedia's copyright policy, not US copyright law. See WP:RD1 for more information on this topic.
  2. The patrolling admin is under no obligation to re-write copyright material when it's encountered. I could have removed it in its entirety, but instead chose to do a little paraphrasing. I don't have time to do very much re-writing of other people's additions, or there would be no editing time left over to assess the reports at CopyPatrol. I do the bulk of the work there, and it takes anywhere from four to eight hours per day to do so, depending on how many people help that day.
  3. If my prose needs further attention please go ahead and fix it, with the proviso that copying from the source is not an option.
  4. The patrolling admin is under no obligation to re-write copyright material when it's encountered. — Diannaa (talk) 22:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On the first point I did not accuse you of failing to understand the difference between these two things. In fact I wrote, "I believe you are conceding that it was well within the range of fair use (in the legal sense, not the Wikipedia policy sense)," making it quite clear that what you had conceded made exactly that distinction. I increasingly feel like you are trying to pick a fight rather than have a discussion. Please consider that I am something like a peer, not a brand new user who needs to be schooled.

  • WP:RD1 refers to "Blatant (emphasis mine) violations of copyright policy. I contend that this was nothing of the sort.
  • WP:RD1 says, "Best practices for copyrighted text removal can be found at WP:Copyright problems and should take precedence over this criterion." Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Blatant infringement says that "blatant" means "[t]here is no credible assertion of public domain, fair use, or a free license." The fact that you disagree with me does not mean that my claim is not "credible". I may be wrong. I tried early on to walk away from this and let your edit stand, but you apparently needed to come back here and argue, so I'm making my case. If you really feel that my statements here are so incorrect that I am "blatantly" wrong, please nominate me to be de-admin'd on the basis of incompetence or inappropriate editing or both. I promise to stay entirely out of the discussion of my qualifications to be an admin except to come in exactly once to be overt that I will stay entirely out of the discussion of my qualifications to be an admin.

On the other points: no, you are not required to fix the article. You are even allowed to make the error of incorrectly paraphrasing what was previously there, as you did in one case. You are required to assume good faith. You are expected, though not required, to consider that you might not always be right and to try to discuss matters in a way that scknowledges that someone who is roughly your peer might have a clue about the matter (which I am certainly assuming about you, notwithstanding your claim that I accused you of failing to make a distinction that I clearly acknowledged you making).

May I suggest that we might bring in a third party with whom neither of us has a close connection to look at whether it was mandatory to delete my intervening edits? That would have to be an admin, since given that you have deleted them, no one short of an admin can see them, and I am not going to start an edit war by undeleting them against your wishes. - Jmabel | Talk 00:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's a list of admins with experience in copyright at Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to investigate copyright matters. — Diannaa (talk) 13:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm going to guess that is effectively a list of people you work closely with all the time, but I'll still take my chances and ping two more or less at random: @MER-C and Sphilbrick: could you please have a look at this and give an independent opinion of any of the following upon which you are willing to comment?
  1. Whether it is necessary to keep these revisions deleted.
  2. Whether I have, indeed, committed a "blatant copyvio" and, if so, whether I should consider resigning as an admin over either my ignorance of present practices (I'm not too active on en-wiki these days) or because you actually believe this was willful bad behavior on my part.
  3. If you do not think there is a serious problem with my behavior (or, I suppose, even if you do), whether User:Diannaa appears to granting me an assumption of good faith.
  4. Since you are both also involved in copyright issues, whether if you had removed material on the basis of copyright and a user said, as I did above, "I feel that the amount of quotation I used there (all of it made clear by citation) was well within the acceptable. … I think I have a pretty good sense of what is and is not an acceptable amount of quotation. I'm not going to argue this heavily -- what you've left seems fine -- but in the future if you think my edits are so problematic that you need to remove them from the history and hide even the fact that the work in question was my contribution, I'd appreciate being engaged before the fact, rather than after," you'd also feel a need to come back to the page and "school them" (and later complain how busy you are) rather than just let the matter lie.
  5. I don't mean to restrict you by asking these four questions. If something else here seems salient, go for it.
@Diannaa: if you have anything else you'd like to address to MER-C & Sphilbrick, or if you take issue with how I have worded my questions -- I realize that the fourth one was a little contentious, but at the moment I don't see a more polite way to word it -- please feel free to say so. - Jmabel | Talk 16:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jmabel, I have some sympathy to the concerns of @Jmabel:. As someone who tries to help out at Copy Patrol, I sometimes feel a little a little like a bowl in a China shop. I revdel before talking to the editor in question, I do rollback rather than rewrite, and while I try to leave informative edit summaries and notes on talk pages, they are often boilerplate rather than custom. I do try to reach out when the issue involve someone with a lot of experience, but I won't guarantee that happens every time. The sad situation is the numbers don't justify it.
We have 1112 admins. I'm not unrealistic enough to expect that every admin should be actively involved in copyright issues on a regular basis. However, an ambitious, but not absurd desire is that 10% of our admins should have at least occasional involvement. If 10% of our admins worked on one item at copy patrol every day, that would roughly cover the number of new items each day. Under that scenario, it would be easy to imagine giving advice to admins in the area that they should open a discussion with any editor who has more than modest experience, attempt to rewrite issues rather than rollback when issues are identified, and consider holding off on revision deletion until a discussion has ensued. But we don't have 10% of our admins working actively in copyright. Closer to 1%. I tried to address 10 to 20 items a day, and can't really wrap my head around how Diannaa can do what she does, but even at my much lower level of activity, it's not really workable to carry out a more complete back-and-forth with an editor including rewrite for that many items. Of course, I could imagine it if I could dedicate my entire day to copyright issues, but there are other areas of Wikipedia that interest me and I actually try to carry on a life outside Wikipedia.
In cases where I do a revision deletion, many editors have expressed dismay that it makes it difficult for them to look into the issues. I understand it in the case of a non-admin. I'm slightly surprised to hear an admin make this observation as an admin can click on the diff and see it trivially. However, it is my practice (and I won't speak for others), in any situation where an editor thinks that looking at the diffs would help shed light on the issue, that I will undo the revision deletion temporarily so we can sort out the issue. Over 98% of the time, I am right and they are wrong, so I don't feel the need to wait until discussion before doing the revision deletion. In the rare cases where there's something to discuss I immediately undo the revision deletion, we talk about it, I'm usually right and then reinstate the revision deletion, but if I'm wrong, we will handle it differently.
I don't think it is at all reasonable to expect the admin reviewing a copyright situation to do a rewrite if a problem is found. If we had more admins handling things and admins were averaging one issue a day, and they were willing to do a rewrite rather than simply a rollback more power to them, plus thanks for going the extra mile, as well as a barnstar, but I wouldn't remotely consider it an obligation.
So far, I've commented without looking closely at the specific issues, but it is worth emphasizing that Wikipedia copyright policy is understandably and deliberately more stringent than copyright law. We permit less under fair use than might be legally permitted on purpose.
I am very concerned that this project is so heavily dependent on one admin for what I believe is a critical aspect of this project — keeping it reasonably free of copyright violations. I'd like to see some admins working on how better to share the load, and asking those few who are contributing to spend a lot more time doing it is not a step in the right direction. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Sphilbrick: Got it; you are sympathetic to both of us. With all due respect (and I mean that, no sarcasm intended, thanks for weighing in), that really does not answer any of my specific questions above, including (question 2) whether I am indeed a "blatant" violator of copyrights, which it seems to me if true would be a reason to de-admin me and, if not (questions 3 and 4) wouldn't it have made more sense just to leave alone my willingness to accept her edits while demurring from them, rather than come over here and (in my view) fail to accept that I was acting in good faith, and come to my user talk page to "school me"? - Jmabel | Talk 01:32, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I gather neither of those two is going to way in on our conflict. Pinging two more from that list. @Galobtter and Hut 8.5: Diannaa seems to prefer this mediated by someone from and I won't argue the point if one of the seven people there other that herself will mediate. Care to help out? - Jmabel | Talk 16:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I also want to weigh in again on one particular piece of this, substantively. How can the phrase "has nothing to do with labor unions" be a "blatant copyvio" that must be suppressed from the record? How on earth else would you word that simple thought? - Jmabel | Talk 16:13, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Well, I've had a look at the edits and skimmed the conversation above, and I think Diannaa has a point. These edits contained several sentences which were taken more or less verbatim from an external source, and there doesn't seem to be any dispute that the source is non-free. As copyright problems go it's pretty small but I think it's large enough to be a problem. The phrase "has nothing to do with labor unions" wouldn't be an issue by itself, no, but that wasn't the only piece of text which was added from that source. The non-free content policy has restrictions on quoting from non-free content. In particular quotations have to be formatted as quotations, they must be brief, they must be attributed, and they must be used to "illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea". The "Union free school districts are governed..." bit wasn't formatted as a quotation, wasn't attributed to an external source, and it wasn't illustrating a point or anything like that. It was presented as just another paragraph in the article. As such I don't think its use can be justified under fair use. I should also point out that Diannaa has reviewed 479 edits like this one in the last week alone, and if anything I'm surprised she took the time to partially rewrite this one. Hut 8.5 20:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Hut 8.5: Just want to make sure I understand: I said from the outset that I would let her edit stand, that was not what was in dispute. Are you saying: (1) this was such a "blatant copyvio" that it cannot even be allowed to remain in the article history and (2) that it was appropriate for her to come over here and "school me" even after I said a the outset that I would let her edits stand? The latter particular gals me because after taking time to do that, she complained about how she has to spend so much time dealing with copyvios. Or do you disagree with me on some aspect of how I just characterized that? - Jmabel | Talk 22:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Well it was a "blatant violation of the copyright policy", which is what WP:RD1 requires, the relevant policy recommends revdel in that case, and it is common practice if the material was added recently. There doesn't seem to be any dispute that the text in question was copied more or less verbatim from a copyrighted source. You've argued that it could be justified as fair use quotations, but since they weren't formatted as quotations and couldn't be used under Wikipedia's fair use rules I don't see how that affects things. I don't view this thread as Diannaa trying to "school" you at all. She posted here to let you know she'd taken this action and invited you to leave her a message if you had questions. You asked her, at some length, to justify this action, and she did so. Hut 8.5 08:56, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Diannaa, Sphilbrick, and Hut 8.5: It does seem that you have consensus among yourselves on what constitutes such "blatancy" as to require removal from the history. Let me say clearly: as a fellow admin, I don't agree with that consensus, but I recognize that you are the group who has taken it upon yourselves to enforce your understanding and will defer to it for now. That is not my understanding of Wikipedia:Copyright problems#Blatant infringement in terms of deleting history, which may be because I am reading "fair use" there in the legal sense, and you seem to be reading it in the Wikipedia sense; it looks to me like it is completely ambiguous as written, and I think at some point it merits clarification. I'd like to start a discussion on that in a neutral forum at some future date, but I'm probably too busy to start that right now and then pay attention: I'm in the middle of returning right now to a career line I dropped thirty years ago.

I'm much more active as a Commons admin than an en-wiki admin, and it is perfectly possible that en-wiki consensus on this has shifted in the last decade or so and I've just plain missed it. Believe me, I know from Commons how much of a problem an out-of-consensus admin can be, and I doubt I will become reconciled to your view here, certainly not how we handle the same issue on Commons. If you feel that should disqualify me from being an en-wiki admin, as I said above, feel free to nominate me to be de-admin'd on the basis of incompetence or inappropriate editing or just plain being out of consensus. I promise to stay entirely out of the discussion of my qualifications to be an admin except to come in exactly once to be overt that I will stay entirely out of the discussion of my qualifications to be an admin. I would appreciate (but do not require) that you point to this discussion if making such a nomination.

One question: "has nothing to do with labor unions" is so brief and to the point that I don't see any way to word it that would not at least be such a close paraphrase as to raise essentially the same copyright issues. Can someone suggest how else to word it? Would "is not related to labor unions" be acceptable to you? Unless I hear otherwise, that is what I will use.

Where I plan to go with this article when I can have time to get back to it: I will try to find the text of the statute itself (which is certainly not copyrighted) or some pre-1926 NY state document (ditto) and quote that instead of the current guidance. I won't be surprised if it turns out to be verbatim. And I will definitely fix Dianaa's paraphrase that I believe is misleading. - Jmabel | Talk 12:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whoa - nobody suggested you should be desysopped for this! This wiki doesn't have a community desysop procedure like Commons does, and even if it did I certainly wouldn't send someone there for making one mistake like this. Just bear it in mind for the future. As I've said the phrase "is not related to labor unions" is fine by itself, it's only in combination with other text from the same source that it becomes a problem. Hut 8.5 17:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hut 8.5: Good to hear. On Commons, "blatant copyvio" would definitely be a last warning before a block, and if said by one admin to another would certainly imply that one of the two was in the wrong role. - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Apologies, but I generally have not picked arbitrary school topics to work on. I'm interested in the area, especially for school systems of communities where I've lived, but I have quite a backlog of projects I want to do (or have started and not yet completed). - Jmabel | Talk 16:00, 29 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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I just wanted to post on Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous):

<code>Hi all; let's support our colleague {{U|Rehman}}, he is a great Wikipedian, and currently is in a critical economic situation. [https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-wikipedian-rehman-repay-hospital-charges Here you can support]; any donation and sharing this campaign (including Social media) is highly appreciated. Regards --~~~~</code>

As it seems, GoFundMe is on spam blacklist for whatever reason and I cannot post it with the relevant link; but actually would like to share the campaign on English WP too, as Rehman is basically a Wikipedian. Is there something we can do, can you help? Regards --A.Savin (talk) 13:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Just tell people to search on "help-wikipedian-rehman-repay-hospital-charges" to find the page. - Jmabel | Talk 17:06, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I know of this possibility of course... however such a post should be as barrier-free as possible, so my question to you as sysop wuld be, for instance, could you consider temporarily taking GFM from the spam list and return it there after I have posted? Thanks. --A.Savin (talk) 17:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @A.Savin: Although I'm an admin here, I've never worked on the spam list, and I'd be uncomfortable doing that. I think you should go to the Admin noticeboard, where it will be taken up by someone where this is more their realm. You can feel free to link this conversation, and my endorsement that this is a good cause. - Jmabel | Talk 17:49, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • @Skyerise: I worked out "SBMTD" for you & edited accordingly. Where does "SANPT" come from? The transliteration of the Bulgarian should be "DANPT" (it's "ДАНПТ", not "САНПТ"). But that's about it from me: swamped with other stuff, and I don't bring much to the Slavic languages beyond knowing the alphabet and being able to Google. - Jmabel | Talk 22:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Hey, thanks! Google did it. I'll look into it further. Skyerise (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Topical song[edit]

Hi, I am writing the new article, Topical humor, a subject surprizingly miissing from wikipedia and I wanted to add "Topical song" into its "See also". But unfortunately I found out it was nuked because it was unreferenced. I saw that you created it, but I also see you are no longer active. Still, I am curious whether you have a possibility to "resurrect" the article. Quick google search shows it is an interesting subject. While in America the concept is conflated with "protest song" folklorists trace the concept to the times when there were no newspapers, and songs were a vehicle for news reports (about notable events: from heroic deeds to disasters). Some of them, started as topical, became perennial. Loew Galitz (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Loew Galitz: I'm active (I'm a admin), but I'm focused mainly on Commons these days. As I'm sure you saw if you looked at the history, that was written when there were almost no requirements about referencing on Wikipedia. I don't have any particular interest in doing the work it would take to write an article on that particular topic that is up to Wikipedia's current standards. Maybe at some point, but not now. Yes, I think such an article should exist.
  • Yes, certainly the old "broadside ballads" were also "topical". - Jmabel | Talk 00:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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