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Thank you for helping me find a mistake on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole Pullar. Face-smile.svg Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

White Hart Lane

The "Tenants" field used regardless of who owns/owned the stadium or venue. The documentation quite clearly states that "Insert the teams and any other parties who use the venue as their home stadium or arena.". In addition, Old Trafford and Emirates Stadium (not going to list other English stadiums) are not the only places that use it. Other examples could be Juventus Stadium, Westfalenstadion, Camp Nou, Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, Madison Square Garden, Citi Field or even MetLife Stadium (two teams own 50% each) among many others. Was there any discussion or you just assumed that you could just do what you want on White Hart lane page? This looks like a WP:IDONTLIKEIT case to say the least. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Not at all, the field is for clubs that rent the ground from a council, or government or group that don't own the stadium or land to which it is on. This is technically very wrong to use the field when the club actually owns the land, that's not tenanted land., The legality is pretty clear in definition, you should be removing the field from all clubs which actually own the land and the stadium. Govvy (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Where does it say that "the field is for clubs that rent the ground from..."? If we go by definitions from the dictionary then most of the information in Wikipedia is wrong more or less. Blame the template's creators for taking that term and not the template itself. I asked you a question, but you did not answer it (either on purpose or accidentally). I will also not remove clubs from this field, because that field is for clubs per documentation, which is quite clear and does not say anything about owning of the venue. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Tenant of tenure, or temporary , Govvy (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
The template is fairly clear that the field is to be used for clubs/teams using the stadium and that is generally how it is used on Wikipedia.
Further the football club may well technically be the tenant. Totthenham Hotspur Ltd is the parent company of a group of companies that include Tottenham Hotspur Football and Athletic Co. Ltd and White Hart Lane Stadium Ltd. While I don't have a list of assets of the two subsidiary companies it's a reasonable assumption that the stadium belongs to the stadium company and that the company oprating the football club is not the owner of the stadium.   Jts1882 | talk  07:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Jts1882:, you can't tenant your own land or building back to yourself, It doesn't matter if you hold it under another company or not, this would still be illegal. The whole field is wrongly used, a tenant is taking the land or building for temporary use from another owner. FYI, I work in commercial real estate lettings, Govvy (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


Just because something is "allowed" doesn't mean it should necessarily be added. Why draw the line at leagues anyway? The guy still didn't win the League Cup, so why list it? – PeeJay 12:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

So what if it's his only medal at Spurs? It's a runner's-up medal! He didn't actually win anything. If you say that second place is an achievement, why stop there? Why not list third places? Or sixth? Or tenth? Where do you stop? And I'm sorry you found that offensive, but I'm not responsible for what offends you. Oh, and you can get out of here with that "political act" nonsense. Everything is politics, and if you can't handle that, perhaps the real world isn't for you. – PeeJay 12:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@PeeJay2K3: Er, you're over reading into what I said, I really don't know why you start going on 3rd 6th 0r 10th, We simply are talking about runner up medals in competitive finals, there is no consensus against them, so what policy are you implying to remove them? Govvy (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
It's a simple policy called WP:COMMONSENSE. The section is for a player's honours, but finishing second in something simply isn't an honour. Sure, a player receives a token medal, but the club doesn't receive a trophy to put in their trophy cabinet. If you've got nothing else to brag about, I guess finishing second in something is kinda cool, but you still haven't won anything. – PeeJay 13:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@PeeJay2K3: You're really adding Common sense to the argument? Do you ever watch tennis? Have you noticed they give a shield out to runners up in some competitions? What's the point of giving a player a runner up medal then? It's to recongise their acheivments of course, I see you simply what to deny this. Govvy (talk) 13:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
We're not talking about tennis, we're talking about football. You can't simply judge this on what medals a player has earned; show me a reliable source that lists Bale's honours including the 2009 League Cup and we'll talk. – PeeJay 13:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@PeeJay2K3: Real Mardrid Consider it an honour to list it down. :/ Govvy (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
All I can see from that page is that Real Madrid look like they're confused. That page looks like a list of competitions he's won, so why they're listing the League Cup is a mystery. Your evidence is inconclusive. – PeeJay 14:59, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


Hello, and thanks for your note. I was a little uncomfortable with that one, because although the MoS says we should prefer using words to flags, it looked silly with the country name repeated in the nationality column for his international management rows. The MoS says that flags are acceptable when the subject is actually representing that country, although not just to show what country his clubs are in. So if you want to restore the flags for his national team managerial spells, I'd have no problem with that. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Looks better, perhaps. As it stands, i.e. with bare flags without words (WP:MOSICON#Accompany flags with country names, WP:WORDPRECEDENCE) used to illustrate geographical location of clubs, it doesn't comply with the MoS. But I'm not going to edit war over it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


Hey can you take West Block Blues to afd ? .As you can see manjappada is on afd for the second time and i find both article looks similar and article contents already explained in detail at their parents pages supporters section.- Akhiljaxxn (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

@Akhiljaxxn: I did bring it to AfD last time, people disagreed with me then, so I went and did a merge request on Talk:Bengaluru FC#Merge proposal which people where getting upset about, then largely ignoring it and the problems at hand. You could always bring it too WP:AFD, I tried to delete it on the same principles as I have pointed out in the Manjappada AfD. Govvy (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Nick De Vera

No, he hasn't done it properly, but the main thing is that the history can still be found at the deleted article. If/when it gets moved back we can restore the deleted edits for a full history. GiantSnowman 08:58, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

West Block Blues

See Talk:Bengaluru FC#Merge proposal. GiantSnowman 13:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

You'll have to ask an uninvolved admin to review and close. GiantSnowman 13:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Dude come on

Don't let a fellow Spurs fan down i love cashews (talk) 19:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

dude i love cashews (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Neutral notice

As someone who has commented at Talk:Lyndsy Fonseca, you may or may not wish to join a discussion at Talk:Lyndsy Fonseca#Request for comment. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Uncivil comment

Your comment about me at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers was gratuitous, uncivil, falsely assuming of bad faith and an outright lie. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


Most pages (Olympic and stuff) use rowspan and there was never a problem, discuss at the Footy project if you want. Kante4 (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Kante4: And most editors fail to take into account that reader with learning disabilities. It's number data you shouldn't be doing this on. Govvy (talk) 16:47, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Like i said, you are the first arguing about it. Start a discussion if you want. Kante4 (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Sentence structuring - Reply

Hi there GOVVY, from Portugal,

I apologize for the edit conflict created, and for (apparently, NEVER my intention) some summary "smart-assery" leading to deduce I thought too high of myself regarding the English language. It's just I had added some more refs to Llorente's article, did not want to "lose" that. I trust that the grammatical compromise in which I tried to engage following your reversion is acceptable.

Continue the good work, sorry for any inconvenience and thanks for the tip! --Quite A Character (talk) 11:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


Do you mind reverting (talk · contribs)'s edit warring in European association football club records? SLBedit (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@SLBedit:, I really don't see much wrong with putting Cristiano Ronaldo before Messi, he won the latest Ballon d'Or and also if you run via the first name for alphabetical order then C becomes before L. I think Ronaldo should be top of that list. Unless you have some other information on your talk page about it, I don't know, you don't even seem to archive... Govvy (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

But Messi was the first to win it five times. SLBedit (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
@SLBedit: When joint top the other sortables are then run by either, most recent, alphabetical, number value, they have the same number value, so it should be between alpha or most recent. Govvy (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Ronaldo was second on six occasions, Messi on four. This is usually how we untie clubs in winners tables. SLBedit (talk) 23:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Accept the table isn't showing the runner up, it's not providing that information, you have to work with the information provided. Govvy (talk) 23:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Daniel Levy

I assumed as much. :-) (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Jay Rodriguez

How am I “vandalising” his page? Too funny 😂 Chedix (talk) 21:09, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Lyndsy Fonseca

 Done GiantSnowman 14:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Please can you not edit this redirect again; nobody understands why you're doing it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Is no one reading the rationale? Govvy (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Why are you reverting fans edits just because you don't know a player by that name on the Spurs books,.

The guy is at the spurs academy from the latest window. If you can prove otherwise then take it down but don't presume you are right & ask everyone else for proof if you have nothing to the contrary.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Apmccarthy01 (talkcontribs)

@Apmccarthy01:, What's that fake news from Because there is no one by that name at Tottenham Hotspur. Govvy (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy:, There is no need to be patronizing or aggressive. You have not been able to prove that news is fake! Also here are 3 other players in his group that are mentioned & where is your evidence that they should be included?!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Apmccarthy01 (talkcontribs)
  • First, sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~.
  • Second, is an unreliable source.
  • Third, and again there is no player by that name at Tottenham. Govvy (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

So you post three academy players, but for some reason, I think you're mixing up Josh Oluwayemi with some random miss-information that has picked up. You really aren't clear at all, you haven't said where you get all your information from. If you were clear from the beginning there wouldn't be so much miss-information. Josh is born in London and not Nigeria, has a different DOB different to the one you posted and way too young to even go on loan. Govvy (talk) 00:28, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


Depends on the article - maybe give those who have commented so far a prod for further input? GiantSnowman 15:58, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Portosantense - Reply

Hello there,

yes, club is still "alive" per FORADEJOGO, in the Madeira regional divisions (please see here A player called Joshua John Bamidele Adeyileka (born 1997, see his FDJ entry here has played for them, even though we have no appearances listed (in case he has any, of course!).

Transfermarkt, which we know for sure is unacceptable for this encyclopedia because it is user-generated, lists such a player at Tottenham's under-23 team from Portosantense (here, data's worth what is worth :( Fun fact: Dele Alli's full name contains the name "Bamidele", could the confusion stem from here? Or maybe it's just good ole' vandalism that users from TM engage in to try and pass this or that info to WP as valid!

Hopefully I was of help, "whistle" if you have additional doubts/questions --Quite A Character (talk) 13:53, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Tottenham Hotspur F.C.‎

Just a note that I have mostly finished with the editing for now. You can go through the article, adjust or copy-edit where needed (sometimes I don't see the mistakes I made), and add or remove parts that you think are necessary or unnecessary. There are more to be added, but I won't do that for a while as other articles needed attention. I'll edit a bit more on the article when someone has reviewed it. Hzh (talk) 11:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Hzh: Cheers, I will have a good look through the article when I get a chance, thanks. Govvy (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi, are you referring to the noms I removed from the under review list? If so I only removed ones that I knew off the top of my head had already been completed. Some may also have been done but this was just a quick sweep of the ones I was sure had closed. Kosack (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Strange category

Hello Govvy. In the article 1942 Turkish Football Championship (and the following ones) I noticed that there is a category called " Temporary maintenance holdings". Why did that one show up? I can't delete it. Do you know what that is about? Regards, Akocsg (talk) 01:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Akocsg: I have no idea, you are better off asking an admin or posting on WP:FOOTBALL talk page. Govvy (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Dean Austin

Not a clue, sorry! GiantSnowman 12:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Ray Wilkins

Please find sources before re-adding material, that is basic stuff. GiantSnowman 15:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Who is finding sources? Why are you re-adding contentious material about a recently deceased person that has been challenged and removed, particularly when that material is also full of POV and peacock words? GiantSnowman 15:35, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Feel free to restore when it is sourced - not before, that is basic, basic stuff. See WP:BURDEN. GiantSnowman 15:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Stop icon This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --John (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I was editing the article, I had found five ref's I went to save and I couldn't, the content had gone, Snowman had removed all the content, he has done that before on me. This editing conflict I've gone and lost all the work I had done now. It's such a shame there are editors that do this, it's very disruptive and not very helpful. Govvy (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
It's easy enough to restore content from the history, but it's very important on a BLP to ensure it is sourced before doing so. --John (talk) 18:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

2 Notes

Note1: Next time, can you list PROD in WP:FOOTYDEL when you nominated an article to PROD? Thank you!
Note2: (Reply 5 AfD) Just request a community comment, cheers. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:55, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@Hhhhhkohhhhh: I considered them TV and not football because it's fantasy! I did put the AfD ones on the footy project and wasn't sure if I need to do that, but I only did it because the other stuff was! I really don't think the footy project should be dealing with this Dream Team stuff!! But the footy project community seems a lot bigger than the TV one for sure. Govvy (talk) 12:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
OK! I know, thanks. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Tottenham hotspur (cockerel)

You state in revising my edit that the link was "related to Sir Henry Percy". If so, then this should be explained. As it is, the link I changed takes "Hotspur" to "cockerel" not to"cock fight". Later in the article every link of "Hotspur" goes to "cockerel." Without explanation of the relationship with Percy, it appears to be a faulty link. Keyton (talk) 02:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

First off if there is any issues you see on the page, then raise them on that pages, talk page thanks. There are only two locations in the article regarding the cockerel, the lead and the bit regarding the emblem. I feel they are linked correctly for the correlation in the context of what is written. Govvy (talk) 16:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Also in a reply in talk from another user, you state that attaining 2nd place carries no rewards, but the players are awarded silver medals. I think you are correct that the team does not receive hardware, but there are awards given for finishing second in EPL. Keyton (talk) 02:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

You need to provide citation with a source saying said player received a medal. But the premier league don't give out runner-up medals as far as I am aware. Govvy (talk) 16:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Deprod: Alpine Games

Hello, I have deprodded Alpine Games because it has previously been to AfD. I only did this to comply with prod policy and would not object to you nominating this article at AfD again. Thanks, —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Lynx Games

Why not list commercial un-official games. Makes no sense to me! 42Bastian (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I agree that this content should be in the article, but could you not have sourced it? Mattythewhite (talk) 14:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite: It was covered by citation 4 already, which was covered in main text were it says he won it! So I don't get why everyone goes on about citing an honour already cited above! Govvy (talk) 15:01, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
IMO that isn't sufficient. Our readers shouldn't have to trawl through the article to see if a reference is located elsewhere. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Well it's as clear as daylight to me most of the time! Wikipedia is over political at times!! Govvy (talk) 15:29, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
It may be clear to you as a Wikipedia editor who is familiar with the topic of Tottenham players, but it probably won't be to the casual reader. I'm not sure I get your point about being "over political", I'm just making the point that content should be referenced as well as possible. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Moving pages without redirects

When you're moving a page, underneath the 'reason' box there is a tick box which says something like "Leave a redirect behind" - untick that. GiantSnowman 14:42, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I need to look more clearly next time I move a page. Govvy (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that is the risk we run when it comes to operating a free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Everyone has different standards when it comes to the English language, and sometimes the ones who are the most willing to make contributions are not the best at communicating (see the recent edits to various FIFA World Cup articles!). I do my best to keep tabs on edits and make sure they're up to scratch, but there are just too many articles out there and sometimes it's not worth quibbling over. – PeeJay 22:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

It is, but I don't think the wording has changed too much over the last few years, and particularly not in a negative way. – PeeJay 22:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Ground developments to football stadiums in the English football league system

Looks fine to me... GiantSnowman 07:22, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


Err not as far as I'm aware - see WP:RIGHTS. GiantSnowman 17:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

I'm wondering if you have started any draft on Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. I think the article can be started soon as the stadium is nearing completion. I will probably start on the article in a week or two if you haven't. Although the name may change depending on the naming rights deal struck, any name change can be decided later. Hzh (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

@Hzh: Well I got this User:Govvy/Tottenham Hotspur Stadium at the moment. Govvy (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
It should be fine as a starting point. Once it has been moved into the article, I can expand it into a full article. There should be enough content and sources already in the Northumberland Development Project article that can be easily moved into Tottenham Hotspur Stadium to make it a viable article. Hzh (talk) 14:06, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@Hzh: Well you can work on the one in my sandbox if you want. Govvy (talk) 14:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, I'll do that in a few days' time. Thanks. Hzh (talk) 14:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Your sandbox is significantly less detailed than the existing article, and there are parallel histories. GiantSnowman 18:40, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

The article in the sandbox currently under development. It will be expanded considerably in the coming days. Hzh (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Govvy, the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium redirect has now been deleted, and the draft can now be moved there. I'll leave you to do the move, but should be done soon, as someone else might start creating the article, which would need to be deleted again. Hzh (talk) 08:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

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@Willsome429: No need to leave messages on my talkpage for reviewed pages thanks. Govvy (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Rous Cup

Happy to go along with you on it, but was it really fully competitive? It appears to have just been an annual match between England and Scotland at the end of the season, and after a few editions guest teams started being 'invited' which doesnt sound very officially competitive. Davefelmer (talk) 15:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

@Davefelmer: Well it does tell you about the Rous Cup in it's article, but the England vs Scotland games were highly competitive and marred by violence. The cup was created by the English football association and the Scottish association two of the highest football bodies in the UK, can't be more official than that. Govvy (talk) 17:05, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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What kind of disruption do you mean? I separate the next season with last season kits. Besides the edit on Man City was done weeks ago. The season should be changed to next season since the 2017-18 has done, shouldn't it? – Flix11 (talk) 15:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Flix11: The kits continue throughout the summer they are used in friendlies and summer tournaments, they are changed upon when the news ones are released, so removing them is very disruptive. Govvy (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Govvy: So it should be OK if I change just the home kit and season on Liverpool, as you did on Man City. – Flix11 (talk) 15:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Target Group Index

 Done - User:Govvy/Target Group Index. GiantSnowman 08:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

You went about it all the wrong way. You should have moved the sandbox back into mainspace (to keep the history) and then delete it/create a redirect. I've fixed it. GiantSnowman 13:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: That's why I messaged you yesterday about it, I wasn't sure how to go about it, but I don't do moves and redirects everyday! Anyway should be better now hopefully. Kantar Group are a huge company that now own TGI, they made $3.5 billion turnover in 2016 from research revenue!! source. Govvy (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't a silly comment. The anon was asking why England and Belgium weren't included in the round of 16 yet, I gave them an explanation and then they acknowledged their mistake. The comment was informal and unsigned, yes, but it was germane to the discussion. Just leave it. – PeeJay 18:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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Spurs GA

Hi, I don't think any templates are required once the review is completed. Kosack (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Alan Gilzean

I've never done one I'm afraid. The article needs lots of sources though... GiantSnowman 11:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Alan Gilzean

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Ryan Loft

The article is at Tottenham Hotspur F.C., isn't it? GiantSnowman 14:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

? Govvy (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

But, of course, there aren't... GiantSnowman 14:24, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: You know that, what about the general reader? Govvy (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
What about them? Are you really saying that, on an article about a footballer, Joe Bloggs will think that 'F.C.'stands for fencing club?! GiantSnowman 14:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: Where you trying to hack into my account? Because I got a message saying someone was! Govvy (talk) 14:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Not at all - that's an unfounded and serious accusation, and I suggest you retract it at once. GiantSnowman 19:44, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Are you going to retract your comments or am I going to have to escalate this? GiantSnowman 10:11, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Leave me alone. I am fed up with you, Govvy (talk) 10:12, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

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Colchester United third kit

Please do not revert any further edits, Colchester United have not yet officially revealed the third kit for the 2018–19 season and will be added to Wikipedia as and when this occurs. Wikipedia does not have to follow the League rules as you had previously suggested and therefore is not a requirement! And even if it were to remain, the previous seasons third kit is extremely similar in design to this seasons away kit and is highly unlikely that both would be employed. Thanks, Jasonakagary88 (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

It is you that is is ignoring protocol, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#team kits in infoboxes. Govvy (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@Jasonakagary88:, I really don't get you, you're obviously a Colchester fan and yet you haven't noticed the 3rd kit used on 10 July 2018 from this match report? What ever colour it is, I don't know, but it's certainly different to the first and second kit. Govvy (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Your evidence is poor, using a photograph from a pre-season friendly - the photograph in this instance from a league game last season and that certainly is not Braintree's kit - this is in fact Colchester's away kit from last season. Like I said, once it is officially revealed then it will be added. I'm not going against any consensus other than yours. Jasonakagary88 (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Cellular automata category

Hello Govvy,

Are you sure Category:Cellular automata in computer games is a good idea? The "in popular culture" one is already shallow. I don't see the benefit in splitting it further. Additionally, the exact same problems discussed over at WP:VG still apply to Zarlor Mercenary - you don't seem to have a source that this cheat code at all "mattered" or was notable. Maybe it is, but can you humor me and get that source first? And even if you find it, it can just be part of the popular culture category then, there's no need for a new category. SnowFire (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@SnowFire: I don't know, I do feel shot down a lot when trying to make improvements to wikipedia, anyway, I added another citation, extra stuff to Zarlor, I don't know why I didn't notice how poor the improvements were by some of the previous editors. P.S Zarlor Mercenary is my favourite game of all time for the Atari Lynx, I always want the best for it. Govvy (talk) 07:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

NFL tenancy at Spurs

Considering the NFL paid a significant portion of the construction costs for the stadium and that there will be a game played there every year for the next ten years, I'd say that makes the NFL a tenant of the new Spurs stadium. – PeeJay 13:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

No it doesn't, a tenant is a home venue. You can pay to use something, like being a member of a gym, you can't be a tenant of a gym. Govvy (talk) 13:56, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and the Tottenham stadium is a home venue of the NFL for the next 10 years... – PeeJay 13:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Again no it isn't NFL is a franchise organisation, which operates the rules and regulations for it's League, the games being played at the ground will be with different teams, these teams are also their own entity. Each one of those teams have their home stadium. NFL doesn't tenant at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, it's a contract to host games. Govvy (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that's what a tenancy is. Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is hosting NFL games for the next 10 years, which makes the NFL a tenant of the stadium. I'm quite familiar with how the NFL works, so please don't talk down to me about this. – PeeJay 17:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
I work in Real Estate, I know what tenancy is, I don't know why you want to mess with me. Govvy (talk) 18:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Why are you assuming anyone is trying to mess with you? It's possible to be wrong without having some malicious intent behind one's conduct. As it happens, I don't believe I am wrong, but have it your way. – PeeJay 20:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

When you think that a person fails WP:NFOOTBALL, you need to explain how the person fails. In this case, I think he passes, because he is a player for Tottenham Hotspur, a fully professional team. Could you please go back and edit your AfD submissions to explain why you think the people are not notable? Eastmain (talkcontribs) 19:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

There are two criteria's to pass WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL and he clearly fails both. Govvy (talk) 22:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi "back"! It's gonna take me one day or two to cleanup my compatriot Ricardo Quaresma's article, but i'll surely have a look at Mr. Terroso's article after that and help out if needed. For the moment, i can tell you that the news article you just sent me is dead wrong in that assumption, the reliable FORADEJOGO.NET shows us he never played in higher than the Portuguese Second Division as a midfielder (please see here He did coach Atlético CP in the 2015–16 LigaPro (check it here, same website

Continue the good work, enjoy that weekend and i'll get back at you when i have more on Mr. Terroso! --Quite A Character (talk) 17:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Finished Quaresma cleanup now, and my eyes are LITERALLY hurting after eight hours (that no one forced me to endure, of course)! I'm going to get some well-earned rest and tomorrow i promise i'll have a look at the article concerned in the original message, if no one hasn't already beaten me to it :)

For the time being, a small favour if you can: in Mr. Quaresma's article, can you please make the publisher of the reference #25 display duly? Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but i can't see what's wrong.

Cheers --Quite A Character (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

  • The clock was ticking for me, i know (:)), but i've finished it! Some notes now: 1 - there must have been some mixup with his Sporting CP "career", because as shows us he played for S.C. Lourinhanense, who acted as the former's farm team for some decades; 2 - no appearances for Portugal's youths, if you go to the OFFICIAL Portuguese Football Federation website and perform a search on his surname (, nothing will come of it - on a related note, why display ZERO caps for Canada's U15 and U17? 3 - did not read the available sources/articles through, so i don't know if it is sourced along the lines, but i found no individual source (on my browsing) for his work with the Welsh under-17 team.

Maybe his LigaPro spell is enough to warrant notability? Anyways, glad i could be of service! Attentively, from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Reliable sources are the preferred source

Contrary to your edit summary statement here: "Rv, overhanded editing, you can use primary sources, nothing against them, and it's common to put release dates on articles. Stop being disruptive." is directly contrary to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources: "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." It does not say that it should be based on primary source, so switch to 3rd party sources are correct and preferred. The reversal of said edits there for are disruptive in nature ("disrupts progress toward improving an article or building the encyclopedia."). Furture more, your claim is there for false that I should "Stop being disruptive." is false. Per WP:DISRUPTSIGNS, the removal of reliable sources, as a above is considered a sign of distruptive editing. Spshu (talk) 18:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Feels like you're being disruptive, I don't agree with your opinions, thought I ask someone else for a independent view. Govvy (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Atari Lynx cover arts

Hey, I hope you're doing well! Tell me, do you need help in adding cover art into various Atari Lynx game-related articles? List me the ones that you need and i'll try to see what i can do in that regard! KGRAMR (talk) 22:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@KGRAMR: That be cool, I have scanned a few before, I guess just find the games that need one on the list and add that boxshot. P.S, next time can you post to my normal talk page and not in my archive, cheers. Also if you're posting on a persons talk page you don't need to use any ping templates, etc. Govvy (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry and i'll keep that in mind! KGRAMR (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Man Utd

Thanks for making the change - but can you add Carlos Lalin as a fitness coach too, and remove Stefano Rapetti from the list of Assistant Coaches?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:ae20:2900:2d6c:fbc:9020:b77 (talkcontribs) 13:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Any issues you have with the article please post them on Man U talk page, however citations are needed. Govvy (talk) 12:44, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Other related articles

What about these articles? {{Iran at the FIFA World Cup}}

Hhkohh (talk) 13:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Hhkohh: hmm, interesting, I personally think we should get rid of all of them and the templates, Govvy (talk) 13:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

yes. Also, I have found {{Brazil at the FIFA World Cup}}, {{Croatia at the FIFA World Cup}} and {{Hungary at the FIFA World Cup}} and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel at the FIBA Basketball World Cup (for Israel at the 1970 FIFA World Cup), I hope we can just PROD instead of a deletion discussion for these mass articles because it is too waste of time Hhkohh (talk) 14:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Hhkohh: I think a complete record on one article for a country would be okay, we have Iran at the FIFA World Cup. But I don't feel we need an articles for each separate world cup, I am against multiple articles covering the same information. We have this template below with each country, this should be enough

Govvy (talk) 14:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

yep, so I think we can also PROD these folk articles which listed in {{Iran at the FIFA World Cup}}, {{Countries at the FIFA World Cup by year}}, {{Brazil at the FIFA World Cup}}, {{Croatia at the FIFA World Cup}} and {{Hungary at the FIFA World Cup}} and put those 5 templates to TfD. Hhkohh (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

You should really read this discussion again. Both you and me participated in it and the majority agreed that there is nothing wrong in using the | tenants = field even if the team owns the venue. Just because you disagree with it that does not mean that you are right. The majority of participants said otherwise and you should act accordingly. You can always start a new discussion (since you were the user who removed it in the first place), but I doubt that you would do that due to your attitude. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please use the term correctly, everyone is using the field wrong and the term wrong, there are three fields, owner, operator and Tenant. If there is only one owner and operator and they are the same, Tenant field shouldn't be used at all. Govvy (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
You should look at Old Trafford, An Owner can not be a tenant this is basic rule of law, yet all three fields are being used, Owner, Operator and Tenant. This is bad form and poor use of the field. The Tenant field should be removed from here also. Govvy (talk) 14:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Why not simply ask them add an occupant field. I think at the end of the last discussion there was no objection to occupant. Hzh (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Hzh: I felt angry and rash last time, I still feel annoyed that ppl use the field incorrectly, there are three fields regarding a venues use. I don't think we need another one, we just should be using each field correctly. There are multiple erroneous uses of the Tenant field throughout wikipedia and that fact that I work in commercial real estate I have to make sure everyday that I get these things right for work, seeing them wrong on wikipedia just pisses me off!! Govvy (talk) 15:54, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
It seems from the discussion last time that people were using it in the American sense, i.e. as occupant. Just a difference in usage, having a different field would resolve the issue. Hzh (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Just because you work in the commercial real estate that does not mean that you get to speak for the community. If you want to change something then it is up to you to convince us at Template:Infobox venue and not the other way around. There are some things in Wikipedia that do not satisfy me, but I am not starting an edit war if there was already a discussion in the past and just ask again. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
I never started an edit-war, if I see something wrong I will correct it, if people don't want to listen they don't want to listen. It's hard to change a stubborn person, it's even harder to change a stubborn mob. If people don't want to listen it's their problem not mine. Govvy (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
But if the majority disagree with you then that becomes your problem, because you seem to ignore what other people are writing to you. It was made clear to you in the last discussion and you ignored it. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

2018–19 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season

Most team pages list first team players only, but if you're an authority on Spurs' things, then feel free to use other criteria. Only problem is that there is no such thing as 'registered to play for the first team' when it comes to players under the age of 21. Every academy player born after January 1st 1997 is eligible to play for the Spurs in the 2018-2019 season.

Why exactly is Oliver Skipp on the list? Using the same lack of logic why don't you add Kazaiah Sterling, Shayon Harrison etc. to the list?— Preceding unsigned comment added by P0g0.try (talkcontribs) 15:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Problem with my edit?

Why the reversion? The last president presented a court motion to dismiss the procedure which dismissed him and it was granted a suspension of the decision. Thus the situation is now disputed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to Sporting CP edit, you didn't provide any sources, hence the rv. Govvy (talk) 15:52, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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About Pablo Morgado Blanco

Hello sir, Actually i am new to Wikipedia & still learning. This player is currently training with the team in Madrid, Spain & season about to begin on 29th September what more can i help you in this matter Abhishe78 (talk) 09:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles should be in your sandbox or created in WP:draft space before being in main space. And there are guidelines to follow. Have a look at WP:FOOTBALL. Govvy (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


Apologies for mispelling. Not intended. thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: No need to apologies, it happens every so often, Govvy (talk) 14:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Reo Griffiths

Hi Govvy, I have closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reo Griffiths as ‘not notable’ and moved the page to User:Govvy/Reo Griffiths as requested there. Regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@Malcolmxl5:, k, thanks. Govvy (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Just to let you know, you have not nominated this article correctly. Featured Article Review is a process for determining if existing FAs should have that status removed. You need to nominate the article at WP:FAC...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@ChrisTheDude: I know, messed it up, Talk:History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C.#Featured nomination, got completely confused. Govvy (talk) 15:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


It appears that this user keeps on adding copyvio images to your Tottenham Hotspur players articles as I have noticed they come from the Premier League website. The latest one I have spotted appears to be cropped from a gettyimages website so I believe it is right to remove that as well as what this user has done so far. Iggy (Swan) 11:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Iggy the Swan: Images have been deleted and user blocked for now. Govvy (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Excellent. Iggy (Swan) 13:43, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Stal Kamianske

Hey, buddy, what is your problem? Why are you removing the table? Does it really irritate you? Could you, please, explain how WP:ACCESS relates to what you are doing? In such manner I can start delete whatever stuff on Wikipedia. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Aleksandr Grigoryev: Because like lots of people who are colour blind, if I can't read a table, there-for it violates WP:ACCESS. Perhaps you should work on the table in your sandbox and fix it so people who are colour-blind can read it. Govvy (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


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Hi govvy , I am ANUCH6F , an Indian Spurs fan , and have been using Wikipedia for 6 years now though I have only recently made an account . Being a Spurs fan , I would like you to update the Spurs' players Career statistics and Quick facts after their match against Man City . I would also like it if you can update the q.f. photos of Lamela and Winks , they are soold they don't look like the players as they are now at all ! Regards , ANUCH6F (talk) 10:53, 30 October 2018 (UTC) , 16:23 , 30 October 2018 (IST)

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Stop bullying me

Don’t make rude comments on my talk page or you will be reported. SportsFan007 (talk) 12:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

I apologize for lashing out, I have to work on how I respond to negative criticism. SportsFan007 (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
@SportsFan007: It's okay, everyone gets stressed out. I just thought you could really use a break from wikipedia. Some people find it therapeutic editing wiki, but if you over do it and get into the political side of these wiki-policies... well... it gets pretty bane to be an editor on wikipedia. It's all about finding that healthy balance that fits into your style of life. Govvy (talk) 21:02, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
That definetly makes sense, thank you! SportsFan007 (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:SportsFan007. Hhkohh (talk) 12:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, Hhkohh well that seemed completely unnecessary, ANI is more serious incidents than this. Govvy (talk) 21:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


Pumpkins just aren't scary enough!! Happy Halloween! Iggy (Swan) 21:57, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

LOL, Iggy, I just made that up on the spot, I chose Batman* because I watched Batman Ninja film which was added to netflix recently and I thought it was a terrible film but Halloweeny. Could turn it this into a template maybe. Govvy (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for amending that signature that I've fixed though, I typed in five tildes instead of four here. I've used one too many. Iggy (Swan) 22:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
* That image we've posted to each other appears to be a non-free image as mentioned in the edit summaries by Marchjuly so we need to be a bit more careful on that, like what I did on Struway2's talk page on putting the club logo as a wikilove message. Iggy (Swan) 16:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
@Iggy the Swan: I didn't even look at the image page, I just plucked the file name from Batman... Govvy (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Not even Kane's 3 goals against PSV in the Champions League , which helped rescue Tottenham's Champions League hopes and helped him equal Jermain Defoe's recoed of most goals in Europe for Tottenham players ? Rocket blastoff (talk) 11:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Look at Tottenham Hotspur : Records and Statistics to see what I mean . Another Europe goal would make him Tottenham's highest European goalscorer . Rocket blastoff (talk) 11:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

?? @Rocket blastoff: You didn't make that clear in the comments on Kane's talk page, you should make these comments on the talk page there, not here. Govvy (talk) 12:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I've submitted an new edit request there some time ago . Could you check it ? Thanks ! Rocket blastoff (talk) 06:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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Worth keeping an eye on

Hi, just thought I'd bring your attention to User:Govvyy. Could be mere coincidence but I've had an impersonator myself and know it can cause disruption. Worth keeping an eye on perhaps. Kosack (talk) 10:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kosack: maybe I will ask an admin to check it out! Govvy (talk) 10:53, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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Could you elaborate on your reason for this reversion, "Rv, take it to the talk page first"? There is no requirement to obtain consensus before making a major edit, however I did start a talk page discussion where you are welcome to voice your specific objections. –dlthewave 13:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

RE: Luke O’Reilly

Chelmsford confirmed his signing here. JSWHU (Talk page) 02:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@JSWHU: Thank you, If you're interested I've got a bit of an article for him in my sandbox. Govvy (talk) 09:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to invite editors who participated in the deletion discussion to give their input at article talk. There was considerable interest in cleaning up this article in one way or another, but there have been few responses to my proposal to trim the passenger lists. Alternative proposals are certainly welcome as well; I'm hoping that we can build some sort of consensus for the scope and direction of the article moving forward. Thanks –dlthewave 21:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Please see the history. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

  • OK, now I saw that you saw, but please don't try to implore IP editors to get an account, and treat them as if by editing from an IP they asked to be reverted or treated as a vandal. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: I would kindly ask you to fuck off. Govvy (talk) 17:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

  • I will, gladly, and next time I'll just either warn you for disruption/vandalism or block you. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: O, an admin, then please, have some respect and read the grey-area, those who try to be high and mighty have the tendency to full from grace the hardest. I never implored anything, I suggested to get an account to that v6 address, majority of v6 addresses cause vandalism from my experience that is why it's a recommendation as to avoid reversions. Thus the security of registered accounts over unregister users. And if you blocked me for one account of miss-read, then technically you would be in violation of your own power. You see even admins must consider all their consequences, it was completely unnecessary for you to raise this here. You're only going to dig your own grave in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 17:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Guess you missed the "next time" bit. And the "warn you" bit. Ah well. Go by your own experience, and throw "fuck off" someone's way the first time you run into them. Great. Drmies (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you point out to me a passage in WP:MOSFLAG that recommends what you're doing at 2018–19 Premier League? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 00:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite: At no point does MOS:SPORTFLAGS ask you to source the use of flags in a table unless they have represented two countries. By you definition of the rules, you would have to remove all flag icons from every football page and international national team page. No, we don't need to do that at all, all that's required is to provide the players international representation. It's the upper part of the 2018–19 Premier League where the flags should be removed, the managers do not represent their international team. Govvy (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Where is it stated that we are *required* to provide players' international representation? Mattythewhite (talk) 00:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mattythewhite: There isn't a requirement, it's down to what editorial format we are using on our tables in the football project. For a long time now we have used flagicons to represent a players nationality. It clearly says on the second paragraph. of (SPORTFLAGS) Where flags are used in a table, it should clearly indicate that they correspond to representative nationality. Govvy (talk) 00:50, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
WP:MOSFLAG recommends that "In lists or tables, flag icons may be relevant when such representation of different subjects is pertinent to the purpose of the list or table itself." I don't see that flag icons are *pertinent* to any of the tables they have been included, especially considering the article relates to a domestic club competition.
If we were to include flag icons, the flags should not be used alone, at least on the first instance. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Accompany flags with country names, "The name of a flag's political entity should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag". Mattythewhite (talk) 00:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mattythewhite: What about the last five or six seasons? Been using flagicons all the time for the previous premier league seasons, never had a problem before. It's been brought up numerous times on the Footy project page. I am only following what we have been doing for years, so I really don't understand why you want to change it now... Govvy (talk) 01:06, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Just because something has been done a certain way for a long time doesn't mean it's necessarily correct. The MoS exists for a reason, and that reason isn't for it to be ignored. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:09, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite: I am colour blind, I have two browsers to use, one that helps read certain websites better, but one thing for sure, I can hover of a flag icon to read the alt code which tells me the country name, so it's not really so bad and I don't need the country name after the flag. I am lying here in bed getting really wound up now.

You do realise that MOSFLAG was written against the use of flags in prose and info-boxes, not so much tables. We use a lot of tables in these football articles. These list of statistics with players are in tables. We are just telling the reader that this football player represents this national team. That's not considered contentious material, there-for citations isn't really asked for. The players name is a link to their bio, which has the citation for the national team that player represents anyway. You need to assume good-faith that the reader understands this. Taking away flag icons, takes away that little bit of information that a lot of readers might find useful. I certainly find it very useful have flag icons. Govvy (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Fifa world cup stadiums

Nothing has changed since the last AfD less than six months ago. Unclose an afd again and you will be blocked. Fenix down (talk) 16:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

2017–18 Premier League

Hello. I need your help in editing the 2017–18 Premier League page. It seems that the flag issue has become a problem and I've noticed how you put a stop to it on the 2018–19 Premier League page, so maybe you can also put a stop to that charade on the 2017–18 Premier League page. Thank you. TB Chigz (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, the reason the flag related edits at 2018–19 Premier League ceased was because I refused to engage in an edit war over the issue. I don't think it's wise to entice another edit to engage in such behaviour. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@TB Chigz: You really shouldn't add flags to managers, they aren't representing their country. It's better not to have flags in those top tables on the Premier League page anyway. Take your comments to the talk page instead of engaging in edits like that. Govvy (talk) 20:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

You have been told multiple times flags are not necessary. Please stop. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Sportsfan 1234, the problem is coming from your end, not his because you're just removing the flags without explaining why and that's being unfair to other Wikipedia. It's you who should stop the disruptive editing. TB Chigz (talk) 10:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Govvy, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Hhkohh (talk) 13:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.