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Tottenham Dewar/Sheriff of London Shield Honours Comment

Hi there, you rv'ed my edit on the Spurs page which was based on references on the page of the Sheriff of London Charity Shield. There are a number of references that show Spurs simply did not compete for the trophy in 1935 - it was not played that year (and in fact not again until 1964). I don't want to get into an edit war, but you're wrong on this occasion. I leave it to your discretion? Mountaincirque 20:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Ron Henry

If there is a source available, then cite it directly. Do NOT just say "oh but it's true", that is not nearly good enough. GiantSnowman 07:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

My issue is lazy editors who add content and then expect others to source it. The content I removed was not sourced, which is why I removed it. The content being (partly) sourced in another ref on the same page is not good enough, we need a full idea of where the info has come from i.e. direct in-line citations for EVERYTHING. GiantSnowman 18:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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If you want to debate content, you do that on the article's talk page. If you want to continue to accuse Bbb23 of antisemitism then you can do that at ANI, but I guarantee that will not go well for you. See WP:ASPERSIONS. --NeilN talk to me 22:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

  • It didn't. I saw you said "I thought he was a normal user" and I still am trying to figure out what you mean--a normal user as opposed to an antisemite? But don't pursue that line any further, please, and mind Floquenbeam's advice, below. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Normal user, not an admin. You're so late on your response. It's really not worth replying. Govvy (talk) 18:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

A note

Hi Govvy,

  • There is no minimum period for an ANI thread.
  • It might look like people are yanking your chain by closing the new thread down too, but they aren't. It probably isn't cooling things off, but that's what they think they're doing.
  • ANI is for behavioral issues; Bbb23 hasn't behaved wrongly (and even if he did, it would be overwhelmed by your calling him a racist. Deeply, deeply uncool).
  • Maybe Bbb23 could have explained in a little more detail why he thinks those sources aren't reliable, but now others have. You can discuss the sources, as he suggested, at WP:RSN. Or, I see you brought it up at the article talk page, that works too.
  • Unfortunately, telling someone to "cool down" is always seen as patronizing, but that is still my honest, friendly, unpatronizing advice. You've been here a while, doing good work... surely you've seen someone lose their cool without really realizing they've done so? Today it's your turn. Come back to the talk page/RSN tomorrow and pursue it then, if you want, but I promise the racism angle, and the minimum time angle, aren't productive. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I just reverted your removal of a source because it'd behind a paywall, please see WP:PAYWALL. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:36, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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 Done K, delinked the name. Govvy (talk) 17:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Harry Winks April 1

Hi Govvy, how come you reverted my edit on Harry Winks April 1st ( Why remove useful cited information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Because you're not suppose to do live updates and the citation you used was not good enough, Govvy (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. Academy

Hello Govvy I apologize for my edit on Tottenham Hotspur F.C. Academy, I did not know that there was already a better article existing, it was an honest mistake. Sorry about that Inter&anthro (talk) 03:15, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Can we get some input in resolving an edit dispute?

Hello Govvy. I am hoping that you can lend some assistance. Me and user GiantSnowman need assistance in resolving an edit dispute concerning the kit section that was in the Nigerian national football team article. He removed it citing WP:NOTGALLERY. I disagree with his interpretation and I have shared my reasons on the talk page at WikiProject Football. We request the input of members of this project in order to resolve this issue. Your assistance would be appreciated if you have the time. Thanks! unak1978 16:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Callum Tapping

I was going to recreate the table from scratch but it seems so out of date.Rusty1111 : Talk 10:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rusty1111: Maybe you should stick a maintenance tag (template) at the top of the page. I just saw mass deletion and might of been a bit on autopilot! Govvy (talk) 10:18, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not sure how to place a maintenance tag. Chris Higgins career box requires updating also. Rusty1111 : Talk 11:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Danny Welbeck

I don't see any evidence there that Welbeck got a medal. Like the dispute over Ronaldo and the 2016 UEFA Super Cup, there may be evidence that suggests he got a medal, but no concrete evidence that he did. He may have been part of the trophy celebrations, but I don't see a medal around his neck in any of those photos, and Eurosport is hardly an authority on the subject. – PeeJay 12:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


There were discussions before about other friendly tournaments, which is not an honour. If you don't like it, you are free to leave. Kante4 (talk) 11:30, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Runner-ups aren't honours in my view but there were also discussions about that in the past without a consensus. I don't care about your and Dave's edit war. Kante4 (talk) 11:41, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Career statistics of Kyle Naughton

Hello Govvy,

I have noticed that with this edit to Kyle Naughton that you have updated the stats but you have done some of it slightly wrong. On the first row where it was titled 'Total', you have added up the appearances and goals for the Gretna and Sheffield United seasons. The 'Total' rows are for one club over at least two seasons only. This has now been corrected with a further two small mathematical mistakes made by another user.

Cheers, (talk) 22:43, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

The changes you made didn't add up at all, I have reverted, you also took out a totals line which is a splitter between loan and full-contract. Please work within the table, if there are mistakes, there might be, they need to add up, if you don't add up, like what you did will be rv all day. Govvy (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Record away win

Hi Govvy. I just saw this revert and wondered if you had made a mistake. Isn't a 7-1 win bigger than (or at least equal to) a 6-0 win? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:01, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: Those other wins are cups not league, the league win I moved to bottom of list, I tried to keep it in date order. Govvy (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
OK, but they're listed next to "Record away win", not "Record away cup win", which makes it sound to me that it should be the biggest away win regardless of competition. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Unless it's divided better, maybe need to split it up. Govvy (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


Well I count 1, 2, 3 reverts in less than 24 hours. Next time, go to the talk page straight away, and count yourself lucky this time that you didn't get a block. GiantSnowman 20:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Did you even read them? Sounds like you're threatening me, did you even understand that guys edits, very un-admin behaviour. Govvy (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
The only exceptions are listed at WP:3RRNO; they do not include content disputes, which is what you were involved in. GiantSnowman 07:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

Hi, I'm starting with a rewrite of the History of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. article first before I add the most important points to the main article of the club. I read a number of sources and there are some disagreements on some of the facts, therefore I'm adding what I think may be the most appropriate ones. However, I don't claim to be any authority on this, and you may disagree on some of the points, so you are welcome to adjust them, and we can discuss further on any point if necessary.

Also, if you can, perhaps you can help identify some of the players in the images here and here that have not been identified, for example here, and the individual members of the team here. This is so that we can use them on the article of the players concerned if there are no suitable images for them. Hzh (talk) 01:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hzh: For the team photo, starting from the top left,
  • Maurice Norman, Peter Baker , Dave Mackey , Bill Brown , Danny Blanchflower , Ron Henry
  • Cliff Jones , John White , Frank Saul , Bobby Smith , Terry Dyson
If you have any specific photos, let me know, Govvy (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the identifition. If you can identify the players with Danny Blanchflower here it would be useful. This one here might be more difficult as there are more people in the picture. Also if you can offer opinion on the identification of some of these Spurs players below, it'd be appreciated (named from left to right, those I'm not sure of are marked with a question mark, although if you have a different opinion on any of them then let me know) -
[1] - Graham Roberts (?, wearing No. 3 shirt), Osvaldo Ardiles, Steve Perryman, Tony Galvin (?), Glenn Hoddle.
[2] - Ray Evans (?), Unknown with No .3 shirt
[3] - Chris Hughton, Tony Galvin (?)
[4] - Phil Beal, Martin Peters (?), Pat Jennings
[5] - Gary Mabbutt
[6] - Danny Thomas, Gary Stevens
The aim would be to have as many suitable pictures for the various articles related to Spurs. The pictures from the 1970s are probably not good enough for History article, we probably need some of players from the late 60s to 70s, also missing are some pictures of the team of the 1950s, the Gascoigne Linker era, also Klinsmann, Ginola and Sheringham periods. Someone deleted the Arthur Grimsdell picture, will need to see if that can be restored. Hzh (talk) 17:29, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
@Hzh: For the number three shirt I am inclined to go with Maurice Norman, he did wear the number, but I can't be sure. I have some Spurs books I need to collect so I might find some information in them, Image 4; That is Martin Peters and I know that's Mabbutt on image 5, I might drop a card at his home to wish him better. It seems you're fairly good at identifying players. Govvy (talk) 20:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the confirmation of Martin Peters, although Maurice Norman might not fit the date of the second picture (1973). That one is difficult because it was a friendly and there isn't much information on that. For some of the pictures I checked by looking at old videos, although it can be hard to see because the video images are often not clear (I can see from a video that the person in the first picture (1981) was wearing a No. 3 shirt, but not sure if he was Graham Roberts). Hzh (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I'd go for Ralph Coates and Cyril Knowles for image #2. They were playing #11 and #3 in that Ajax friendly according to Bob Goodwin. Jts1882 (talk) 08:59, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
In image #1 it could be Paul Miller. He wore the #3 shirt that season in the league and Goodwin lists him third in that Ajax cup tie. Jts1882 (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions. It could be Paul Miller if this is what the book says. I'm uncertain on Ralph Coates as he was already going bald on top from videos of the period I have seen. Another possibility is that it could be Phil Beal as he sported similar sideburns then (although he wasn't the only one). Hzh (talk) 12:53, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
It was the way the hair was flowing that made me think of Coates (can we see the top of his head in the photo?). Beal is also possible, though. If it helps, the full team for the 1973 friendly with Ajax was: Jennings, Evans, Knowles, Pratt, Collins, Beal, Gilzean, Perryman, Chivers (Holder), Peters, Coates. Jts1882 (talk) 13:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks darker on top and appears to be hair, the question is whether that is his combover. I might have a look at other videos later to see if it could be him. Thanks. Hzh (talk) 16:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Heh, looks like you guys have had a conversation since I've been at work, I shall collect my Spurs books at the weekend see if anything is in there that can help. Govvy (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Brandon Austin nationality

Hello Govvy. I'm a fairly new user to Wikipedia so I don't intend to step on anyone's toes. Anyway, I noticed you reverted my edit of Brandon Austin's nationality on the Tottenham Academy page. I had made the change because he is eligible for the USA and has represented the USA U18 side as you can read here[1] and here[2], and in contrast, has not yet been called to any England youth teams. It is not a big deal either way but I had thought this counts as USA nationality. Thanks for your input.ChuckMe92 (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


@ChuckMe92: It clearly says on his Tottenham article he was born and raised in Hemel Hempstead, but then again we do tend to use flags for which country he represents, it seems they have updated his article since I last looked at it to include he has represented US so you can change it back if you want. Govvy (talk) 19:36, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply and I will make the change. Austin's situation seems to resemble that of Cameron Carter-Vickers, who was also integrated into the US at U18 level. Both of their fathers played college basketball in the US, in fact at rival schools of the Southeastern Conference, the Louisiana State Tigers for Carter-Vickers' father and the Georgia Bulldogs for Austin's father. ChuckMe92 (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Honours archive

Hey, just wondering what happens to the archive page I already created? It still exists, and it appears to be linked to on the talk page. I've requested a bot now (hope I've done it correctly), but will it create a second archive page with mostly the same content as the first one? Madshurtie (talk) 10:21, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

@Madshurtie: Just add {{db|author}} to the page you created, let the bot do the work, you can do what you want in your own userspace, but with articles it's best to get bots for such tasks. Govvy (talk) 10:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Done. One more question: since ClueBot III works based on revision history, not timestamps, will this deletion then restoration of the old threads mean it won't archive them for a long time? Madshurtie (talk) 11:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
@Madshurtie: nothing is ever perm deleted on wiki, everything is kept, even if it's at different levels. Govvy (talk) 11:42, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Right, but I mean will the bot consider all of those threads to be created today, because that's when they were added in the revision history? Or is it smart enough to ignore mass deletions+restorations? Madshurtie (talk) 12:57, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry, it should sort it out if you added it correctly, if there are problems ask on the footy project page. Govvy (talk) 13:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Atari Lynx 8 vs 16 bit

Hi, I am not certain if I am doing this correct here, but I wonder why you reverted the edit for 8 bit. You appear to refer to the talk page (you mean the discussion on the article and its past where people edited 8/16 before?) I see no argument for 16bit other than falling for Ataris marketing that referred to it as 16bit (but in most official statements they add '16 bit graphics'). They probably felt defensive for using the 6502 derivative still in 1989 rather than 'more fancy' Motorolas :) The CPU is 8 bit. All the code for the Lynx is 8 bit. The one thing that "has 16 bit" is the chip embedding that functionality. Most notably 'Suzy' which is responsible for the fast gfx plotting (the gfx itself even though called 16 bit, is not. The palette is 12 bit (4096 colors) of which only 4 bit can be used in the plain gfx mode. So really, Lynx being 16 bit is like a long lasting hoax. We don't call gamer PCs 256 bit because the GPUs have that. I really wonder who can defend 16 bit here. I am open to discuss this but I am a bit annoyed by the sentiment 'it is 16 bit because it always was'. Cheers :) -retroenwickler
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You need to start a merge discussion on Talk:Atalanta B.C. Primavera. GiantSnowman 10:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Is there another template tag I am suppose to use on the talk page? Govvy (talk) 10:23, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Merging#Step 3: Discuss the merger. GiantSnowman 10:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Juan Foyth

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it was a direct copy from the article slightly edited, normally you remove them, there is something by like WP:Notasandbox somewhere. Govvy (talk) 18:30, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
It look fine as an edit request with X to Y change. Matthew_hk tc 18:34, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
@Matthew hk: O well, I've removed templates, cats and deactivated ref's in the past. There use to be something like wp sandbox about these edits. Govvy (talk) 19:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


Now it should be. Kante4 (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Jan Vertonghen

Needs in-line citations...this is basic stuff. GiantSnowman 19:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

WP:RS, WP:V, WP:BLP...this is basic stuff. Feel free to report me. "Editor removing unsourced content about a living person" won't get you far though. GiantSnowman 17
50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Wow, the arrogance of RTM, you really are unhelpful, still lacking etiquette, I asked you for help a while back about how to setup merge correctly and you spouted RTM at me then. You failed even read the rules yourself about citations, deleting content from articles even know there was citation for in the article is bad policy. I should just ignored you, Govvy (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hello! Regarding your comments here, I'd like to uggest that you look at at the official civility policy. I'm on wikiepdia to peacefully particpate, and your comments are uncivil. There's really no need for them. I look forward to interacting with you in a respectful way. IP editors are not second class citizens as you suggest. Thanks. (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

WTF are you talking about, I said IP is equivalent to guest user access, if you bother to register a username thats then can become confirmed user access where you can also edit protected articles. I never said second class citizens, I am saying something completely different and how AfD gets abused by people voting twice on their confirmed user access and then logging out and voting again on their guest access. Govvy (talk) 13:12, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@Govvy:, there has never been a requirement that I'm aware of for registering for an account to edit AfD discussions nor have AfD discussions been protected as a matter of course. I'm reasonably sure that an editor with such a long record here as yours is aware of where to report a belief that a user editing both in their user name and under and IP address. Every experienced AfD closer is aware of the issue of double-voting but it is certainly a personal attack to accuse an IP editor of sock-puppeteering without evidence. As a practical matter, not reporting a suspected sock-puppet situation gums things up for everyone. Thank you for you time. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@Eggishorn:, nope, never come across that page for suck-puppets, IPs are IPs, they have no identity other than being a guest editor as far as I am concerned. From my experience most perform vandalism so I won't ever trust a user who uses IP access. Govvy (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I have closed the AfD with a consensus to merge to Stuart Roy Clarke. As you were the most enthusiastic about merging, including identifying suitable sources such as a report in The Independent, would you be amenable to carrying this out? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Well, I took three paragraphs and the critical reception parts and merged them in, then added redirect. I think Roy Clarke's article looks fine. His article already had the tour of the project on it. Didn't think it needed all of it the content from Homes of Football article otherwise it would make the section too bloated. Govvy (talk) 11:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Cameron Lancaster

Hey. Stats for Cameron Lanchester via Soccerway - UncleTupelo1 (talk) 16:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

We don't include playoff games in their stats, only league fixtures. UncleTupelo1 (talk) 11:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

USL Discussion at WP:FPL

Thank you for opening that discussion. I need to do some more research, although my sense is several clubs in the USL are professional, and a few may not be (e.g., I have a difficult time believing a club like Richmond Kickers is professional when it has amateur players on academy contracts playing in its league matches - albeit sparingly). Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 17:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Football deletion archive

When removing listings from the main list, please can you add to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Deletion archive? GiantSnowman 14:11, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman:, o, didn't know about that, had a look, looks like you already added them know. Will have to remember for next time. Govvy (talk) 15:03, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Bengaluru FC

It passes WP:GNG and therefore has enough coverage to merit having an article. GiantSnowman 12:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Harry Winks...

Yes, I didn't notice the soccerbase ref had the Champions League appearances there, because they title the competition under a different name. I shall be more careful - Iggy (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Chris Kinnear

Only the Guardian article is good enough - and one source is not "significant coverage" GiantSnowman 17:25, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Not sufficient for GNG. GiantSnowman 22:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: Nomination of History of Bengaluru FC for deletion

I'll merge the content and do the redirect. Coderzombie (talk) 14:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

Hi - could you look at the recent edit by User:YZPEDIA and, if you think he's wrong, revert it. Runner-up in Football League One is still an honour.. Thanks. (talk) 15:42, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

As far as I am aware runner up in leagues isn't an honour, it's rare to give runner up medals for a league. You would have to find citation for this. Govvy (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Chris Kinnear

Hi Govvy, I think the DM article was just reporting on what was said in a pre-match presser. You can see similar reports in the Sun (which tbh is no better than the DM as a "reliable" source)[7] and Eurosport.[8]. An article on WalesOnline[9] mentions other clubs he played for (West Ham, Leyton Orient, Maidstone, Barnet and Dagenham), but this is no indication that he actually registered an appearance for any of them. Probably the only club there that might get him past WP:NFOOTY would be Orient if he did actually register an appearance, but I haven't found any evidence of this. If he did (or even if he made the bench), he should be included in Neilson N. Kaufman; Alan E. Ravenhill (2002). The Men Who Made Leyton Orient Football Club. History Press Limited. ISBN 978-0-7524-2412-5. (annoyingly, this used to be online, but the key pages haven't been archived[10]). There is also a bit more bio in the original Dover announcement[11]. I suspect this might be dependant on Dover being promoted next season, but hopefully this is useful. Nzd (talk) 23:51, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nzd: Thanks for the reply, I am going to email the football clubs first, if I don't get any response I could go down to the British Library and view the books there as it's not that far from me. cheers, Govvy (talk) 11:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Good plan. If you haven't got one already, you'll need a (free) Reader Pass for the BL (you can pre-register for one online). I'm planning a visit myself so if I get there before you I'll let you know. WRT Tottenham, is it possible this is a different Chris Kinnear? I found a reference to one playing as a first-year pro during the Terry Venables reign, which would be a different era.[12] Also found a couple more references (neither of which show "notability", but are interesting nonetheless).[13][14] Nzd (talk) 13:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


Just because the game is old doesn't mean it is impossible to write a good article. The problem here isn't lack of information, it just doesn't follow the WP:VG article guidelines at all. Here are more detailed tasks to improve the article:

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Kazaiah Sterling

I've cleaned up the draft. Also please note that (as far as a Wikipedia infiobox is concerned) when a senior career starts, the youth career ends. GiantSnowman 14:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Widr (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

It was a mistake. Optimistic Wikipedian (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the info. I just knew about that. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Shafiqabu (talkcontribs)

Hello Govvy and thanks for the latest revert on my talk page. The IP address and hundreds of others who write this 'weird disruptive edit' is a long term vandal called My Royal Young who vandalises at random times when we least expect it. This user has managed to find certain users and vandalises their talk pages as part of the long disruption which has happened over seven months now along with certain pages (thankfully not relating to the Premier League). Certain admins have blocked the vandal but after IP blocks have expired, the edits come back. This 'lorem ipsum' thing is found on the linked page, I have no idea on what that is and the one you have reverted has a heading named after a wiki administrator named 'zzuuzz' and ends with the link to the user page of that user. Feel free to revert that type of disruptive editing if it happens again, and same to the other users around the project. Thanks, Iggy (talk) 17:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Erdbeerteller01.jpg For reverting the same disruptive edit on my talk page. Iggy (talk) 17:06, 18 December 2017 (UTC)