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When I am SPI suspicious...[edit]

but when I cannot identify the master, as in this editor, what process should I use, please? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 11:42, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This one os likely best treated as an example, for their trajectory looks as though they will soon be indeffed for behaviour 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey - sorry for the slow response. I didn't log in for a few days, and came back to find about twenty pings! Missed this on until now. So, SPIs without a proposed master are difficult - you would need to get pretty lucky for a clerk to recognise the editing, and CUs aren't allowed to use the tool to go on fishing expeditions. What you could do though is pretty much do what you have just done - bring it to the attention of an admin, and let them worry about it. We can see deleted pages/contribs, which makes it easier for us to look for connections. In this case, since they have been blocked for DE, and have admitted using previous accounts in the past, I thought a check was justified - I found and blocked Kkmishra1111, who has also edited about Ifshaq Manzoor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were other accounts. Girth Summit (blether) 10:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm. And also Afaq41, who has also edited on the subject. I may come back to this later to do a deeper dive and see if I can tie it back to an older master (and record my findings in an SPI case for future reference). Being able to see editors' deleted contribs makes this a whole lot easier. You've never been tempted to apply for the sysop bit yourself? Girth Summit (blether) 11:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries about a lengthy response time. Is anything ever actually genuinely urgent in this bizarre hobby?
This one made my antennae twitch without their spurious declaration, but yes, I guess alert a friendly admin and let "nature" take its course. They were always heading for an indeff block right from the start
Ah, putative adminship. There are times when it would be convenient, of course there are, but I feel more "powerful" without it. With it I suspect I could get myself into trouble, potentially by being over-zealous. When one has a reasonably obsessive personality it's far too easy to fool one's self that one is correct. You'll see from the link that I have definitely given the matter a great deal of thought. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 23:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, a few things are genuinely urgent - I've had a few requests on my talk to ask me to remove personal private information before, which is totally out of whack since that's an OVERSIGHT deal, but yeah - most stuff can either chill for a while, or be dealt with at AIV. I just felt bad because I'd responded to all the more recent stuff, and hadn't worked my way back to your enquiry.
I read through your link. I wasn't active when you put yourself forward for Arbcom last time but I might well have voted in your favour had you done so this year. Sorry to be slightly mealy-mouthed, but I have not done the deep dive into your contribs to be certain. For sure though, after our many interactions regarding content, users' behaviour (including my own), and your 'sniff test' results of new accounts: I consider you an admin in all but name. And technical permissions, obvs, which is the part that actually makes a difference.
If I can try one little thing to change your mind? A wise man once told me, that a wise man once told him, that the most useful thing about being an admin was the ability to see deleted content. This was before my RfA, when I was an eager vandal-whacker, and I confess that I didn't fully understand the point at the time. I get it now though - there's no point just blocking accounts willy-nilly, you need to be able to join the dots, and deletion obscures those dots from regular users.
So yeah - I fully understand your position if you don't want the sysop bit, I just want you to know that I think you'd be well-suited to it, and that you'd have a reason to request it. Girth Summit (blether) 00:00, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point well made, though I am not persuaded. A number of folk have tried to persuade me over the years. Perhaps I might have succumbed early on, but RFA now is just evil, and that steers me right away. It shows the unpleasant underbelly of the less imaginative of us.
I think I might have been elected to Arbcom back then, likely being the first not to be an admin to do so. Luckily I discovered in time that my life priorities had changed (perforce) and I had not the time to devote to the task. Indeed I took a multi-year wikibreak. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 00:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Time available is indeed a big deal. I have a draft underway, and had hoped to get it finished today; instead I logged in to find a dozen people asking me to look at stuff, mostly involving misdeeds by multiple accounts, many of which needed cross-wiki locking...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining (much) and I asked for this role. However, I can understand why someone might not want the bother. I can also understand why someone would not want to go through the RfA process, which can be particularly (and perversely) brutal for editors with a lengthy track record. Regardless, I would be honoured to nominate you if you were ever to change your mind. Girth Summit (blether) 01:18, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the compliment, but I truly don't want to do it. I'm addicted enough already! Without the bit I can also push just a little harder, always with militant patience and politeness, and trip the malefactors over. I think my role as "Encourager of use of sufficient rope" is currently perfect for me 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 07:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Happy New Year, Girth Summit![edit]

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They're back[edit]

[1] Actually, they are being less disruptive than previously, although see their edit warring here. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gog the Mild: none of these links work. Seasider53 (talk) 21:11, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Drat! Gog the Mild (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Blocked again for three months. Girth Summit (blether) 12:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ta. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you ever find a way to actually communicate with them, let me know... Girth Summit (blether) 12:58, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I find a way to communicate, you may well be blocking me for incivility. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Back in October last year, you blocked User:Mr vili for sockpuppetry. Would the overlap of interests shown by this new account seem likely to be rather more than coincidental to you, as they do to me? AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @AndyTheGrump. Could you please explain how our accounts overlap besides being involved in the same WikiProject? I haven't looked at Mr Vili's contributions so far. I don't think you are assuming good faith HeliosSunGod (talk) 08:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How did you come across Draft:Network State without looking at Mr Vili's contributions? As for 'being involved in the same Wikiproject', said Wikiproject seems to attract almost nothing but socks and random newly-created accounts with no significant editing history. Are you sure you want to be associated with it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are acting as if Network State is a concept created by Mr Vili... No it is not. I discovered the page, when I linked to it via Wikipedia:WikiProject Autonomous Zones/Sandbox finding that it already existed, so therefore I added the wikiproject banner to it's talk page, and marked it as a draft article. HeliosSunGod (talk) 08:37, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It must be fascinating to live in a world where so many such coincidences happen. Changing the subject slightly, your user page states that it is a "Fresh start account". Would you be prepared to divulge the name of your previous account(s) in confidence to an administrator? AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AndyTheGrump I am not going to continue this discussion anymore. Please maintain civility moving forward and assume good faith. If you continue with your passive aggressive attacks on myself, and articles I am involved in editing I will report you to the administrative noticeboards. HeliosSunGod (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no objection to you raising our interactions at an administrative noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:55, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Meanwhile, perhaps Girth Summit and/or talk-page lurkers might like to take note of how yet another new account signed up for WikiProject Autonomous Zones only today. Presumably just another coincidence, as newcomers rush in to engage on a topic that established Wikipedians seem not to give a rats arse about. Assuming they can figure out what the topic is supposed to be, since Mr Vili never succeeded in properly explaining... AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And then there is the astonishing coincidence of how this new account chose today to edit their user page to remove their links to a "Lumina New City Project", about which HeliosSunGod is creating a blatantly-promotional draft. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HeliosSunGod is ducky, and  Confirmed to Mr vili. The other account hasn't really done a huge amount yet - maybe keep an eye on them, and open an SPI if you think the evidence is persuasive. Girth Summit (blether) 13:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Mistakes happen[edit]

See User talk:Jpgordon#Lively Toad and pay attention to the link there to the ANI thread and my comment. Seems to me that if LT hasn't already been checked, that JP probably shouldn't be the one to do so. Also seems the new user is suspicious enough to check. I even had a target in mind, mainly based on the edits to Oakland and Campbell, California, namely Awolf58, but it might be reaching. Also, given how many socks that master has had, I don't know if any of them were "good hand" socks (until their meltdown, LT's edits were all constructive). Happy New Year! --Bbb23 (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've reblocked, without tags. Don't know whether they were Awolf58, but they were up to no good. Girth Summit (blether) 14:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Do you think their vote at the RfA should be removed?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I do. Girth Summit (blether) 14:43, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023[edit]

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AFD Sockpuppet[edit]

Hello, Girth Summit,

I had suspicions about HeliosSunGod when they first started editing and headed straight to AFD when they only had a dozen edits. Lately, when I see this happen, I go directly to their User talk page and request that they don't participate in AFD until they have more editing experience. But HeliosSunGod's User page stated they were a fresh start account so I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they had learned about deletion discussions with a previous account. I think now when I see these accounts, I'll come straight to you since you are so familiar with their MO. Thanks for seeing to this so quickly. Liz Read! Talk! 03:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Liz, feel free to let me know any time you see suspicious activity at AfD. I can't promise to run a check every time (per WP:NOTFISHING), but if I recognise the behaviour or have specific suspicions I can use my discretion. In the case of HeliosSunGod, see the comments under the title 'Sock?' a couple of sections up. Girth Summit (blether) 17:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I realize that Furaro has never been discovered in a check, but there are so many similarities in terms of types of edits, as well as article intersection, that I'm wondering whether they've avoided detection because they use different IP ranges. Also, Stylish Siba was blocked, albeit not as a sock, shares similar interests, as well as a username similarity to Itsmestylish. Unfortunately, unless there is login or CU data on Stylish Siba, that account is stale. Still, I think there is sufficient evidence to warrant a check on Furaro. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I compared against Itsmestylish, and took a look at the cu logs for the master - same large country as Furaro, but there isn't any overlap in terms of the IP ranges used. Girth Summit (blether) 17:50, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. If you were to make a finding, what would it be? In other words, would a behavioral block be reasonable in light of the check, or would it be better to let it go?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To avoid overlapping on IP ranges entirely, they'd have to have been a lot more careful than they have been previously (and indeed, more careful than they were while editing as Istmestylish, which overlaps in terms of when they were active). As you know, the lack of a positive match doesn't prove the negative, but just looking at the technical data, I'd probably be coming down around  Unlikely territory - I wouldn't block unless there was a behavioural smoking gun. Girth Summit (blether) 18:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nah, not as good as all that (smiling). Thanks for elaborating.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Need advice[edit]

Sorry to bother you again, but I haven't had to deal with this particular problem before, and I know you're familiar with the Defeedme harassment and threats. This new account has been exclusively editing articles that I've edited before, and undoing my edits to them. In this case it was an edit I made almost a year ago! I don't know if this account is connected to the Defeedme account but it seems likely. They're avoiding protected articles and just focusing on my edits to unprotected articles. How do I handle this? Wes sideman (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've started by warning them on their talk page to stop. I'm guessing WP:ANI would be the next step, does that seem reasonable? Wes sideman (talk) 15:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ANI would have done it, but I've just blocked them - it's obviously an account created exclusively to harass you. I can't say for sure whether it's Defeedme or not, but that doesn't strike me as particularly important. Girth Summit (blether) 15:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah that's why I didn't go with reporting a sock. Thanks for the help. Wes sideman (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Urgent Swarna Pandey[edit]

Hi please can you create a page of Child actress Swarna Pandey, you can also check on google.

Thanks Sourabhact (talk) 07:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, I don't write articles on demand. Girth Summit (blether) 10:50, 7 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Recent edits[edit]

Hello @Girth Summit:

I get it you blocked me for using different accounts that I use on separate devices for contributing to Wikipedia. But can you stop User:Editorkamran from undoing my edits and reverting to older vandalised versions of articles without any reason.

Also you may say that I somewhat know how to edit articles as I have around 3000 combined edits on English Wikipedia and I do not find anything wrong with my recent contributions, you can check it yourself and see if the above user's actions are correct.

P.S. - Logged into this account just to say this, you can block it also as a sockpuppet. 🙂

Regards - Soap Boy 2 (talk) 19:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can't stop Editorkamran from doing that - policy allows for edits made by socks to be reverted. Having said that, I will observe that Editorkamran may want to look at the edits, and decide for themselves whether or not the need to be reverted - it's not always productive to knee-jerk revert socks.
Now, Soap Boy - some advice for you. If you continue making socks, the next step would be to mark your oldest account as community-banned per WP:3X. We're already at the point where I could do that. I would also likely block the IP ranges that you edit from. You would be much better advised to request unblock from your oldest account, explaining why you created the sock accounts, and undertaking to stick to one account moving forward. I wouldn't review the request myself - another CU would do that. Chances are you'd be told to go away for six months then come back, per WP:SO, but if there is no vandalism or harassment in your edits, you have a good chance of being unblocked after a period away, especially if you do productive work on other Wikimedia projects in the meantime (perhaps another language version of Wikipedia). Girth Summit (blether) 19:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JustTheT BLP issues[edit]

I wanted to make you aware that the recent edits by User:JustTheT are similarly concerning as their edits that were highlighted on their talk page in September before they were given a one month block for violations of Biographies of living persons policy. I came across their edits on Ned Price. This edit is purely POV unsourced commentary. Their other edits to that article aren't much better. Their recent edits follow the exact same problematic patterns highlighted to them on their talk page. In edits to Britt K. Slabinski and George Friedman, they copied text word for word from the source. On the Slabinski article, they initially added the text from an IP account without a source but were reverted. They made this edit to Adam Smith (Washington politician). None of the sources they added even mention Adam Smith. They also made this unsourced edit to Titiek Suharto. The edits i have highlighted are the majority of their recent edits. GreenCows (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block evasion[edit]

Hi, just giving you the heads up that I'm reverting Biasheeds per WP:DUCK, as they're restoring changes by sock Soap Boy 1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (blocked by you). Kind regards, —MelbourneStartalk 09:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quick SPI-related question[edit]

I recently opened a new SPI casepage, but forgot to check the "request CheckUser" button. Is there a template that is used to add the CU request? For whatever reason I can't seem to find out the answer. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit the report. Change {{SPI case status}} to {{SPI case status|CU}}. Add a comment that you are requesting CU.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bbb23: just added it. Thank you for your help! Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suspicious report[edit]

See my Talk page. I find the reporter RevampedEditor, a newish user (who doesn't act like one) with an unusual username, more suspicious than the user, ErmosDrousiotis, they are reporting. I also don't think the ED is Dealer07, although they strike me as incompetent.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree that ErmosDrousiotis doesn't look like Dealer07, looks more like they just stumbled across a page Dealer had recently edited. The reporter does have a suspicious username, and for an editor with so few edits, they have left notes on a lot of admins' userpages. The do most of their editing while logged out, and they have in the past edited the same articles both with their account, and with their IP. However, I'm not seeing anything that makes me think it's deliberate, there aren't any other accounts, and their IPs are pretty stable - I expect they're just not bothering to log in sometimes. I've asked them to be more careful about that, don't think anything else needs doing. Girth Summit (blether) 17:30, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. I know this is a bit of a wild guess, but while the IPs are fresh in your mind, I don't suppose there's any connection to BKFIP.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, not a chance. Since they have declared their location themselves, I don't mind telling you that their statement was true - they're in Portugal, and their IPs have been very stable. Girth Summit (blether) 18:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have probably seen my ping[edit]

It is at User talk:Abbasulu#January 2023 where the editor has now been warned for canvassing. It may be that your judgement is that they need a break from Wikipedia in order to consider their behaviour, but my saying that shows you why I am reluctant to request the janitorial bit. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:08, 16 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Possible sock[edit]

Hi, user:WIMBPLYBIDC might be sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pcmishradigital. The user recently created EKA (manufacturing company). I found the article while nominating afd another Bangladesh-related article, then i moved the article to draftspace but the user reverted that. Then i went looking and found that the parent company Pinnacle Industries was created by Columnistvivek. The user was blocked on 14 January. Same day WIMBPLYBIDC was created. Their interest looks same + they also created similar type username e.g. PCM092022. Can you check if possible? Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey - sorry, I just noticed this message. I see that someone else already reported them at SPI, and they've been blocked. Girth Summit (blether) 16:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Cheers - looks like them, and it's on a range they've used before. I've blocked the /64 for a week. Girth Summit (blether) 16:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hi Girth Summit, hope you're doing well. As someone who confirmed the previous sock of user Solavirum, I believe this might be of interest to you. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MOS transgressions and failure to Engage[edit]

I assumed they were racing to ECP and was wondering what they would edit after getting it, and possibly removing it from them then. We'll see what they do. I also suspect this might not be their first account. Doug Weller talk 10:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Those thoughts had occurred to me too; even if we AGF though, editing like that is disruptive in itself. Girth Summit (blether) 10:44, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed. Doug Weller talk 12:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See my update at ANI. I'm off for a walk, that was too much copying and pasting of account usernames for one sessions... Girth Summit (blether) 17:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I envy you. I hurt my calf muscles last month and had to get picked up twice, so I’m only using y treadmill, which is gym quality. What sort of place are you walking? Trail? Doug Weller talk 18:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nah, just round the local green space with the dog. The local (Yorkshire) name for it is the 'stray' - just a big patch of grass really, but you can get a tennis ball a decent distance, which keeps my whippet happy. It's dark here now though, so we just had a bit of a muddy stroll and did the necessary doggy business. I do get out for a proper walk at weekends though - usually something in the North York Moors or the Yorkshire Wolds.
Sorry to hear about your calves - it's important to stay active. I'm not so far down the road as you, but I'm starting to feel the effects of age myself - over Christmas, I was playing Trivial Pursuit with my mum, and found myself unable to read the questions because the light wasn't good enough. Instead of turning the light on, mum passed me her reading glasses - suddenly, the questions were entirely legible. I have accepted the inevitable, and am watching my hands type this through my first pair of specs. Girth Summit (blether) 18:42, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Those are lovely areas to walk in. I need new specs, Specsaver may come to me. We have a lot of repurposed train lines and also fields and copses. But my wife is too fast for me now! I’ll never be able to walk in those again, maybe on the old train lines when it’s less frozen. Doug Weller talk 19:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What part of the world are you in? I remember making great use of old railway lines when I lived in Hertfordshire. Girth Summit (blether) 23:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Derbyshire. Meanwhile could you CU check [2] as I probably shouldn't do it myself as they've been vandalising my talk page. I've blocked them (hm, if I can block them because it's something any Admin would do, does that mean I could CU them? Doubt it). Doug Weller talk 10:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wouldn't have any concerns about someone running a check on an account that was vandalising their page - responding to clearcut vandalism/harassment doesn't make you involved in my view. Anyway, I've run a check, it's an IPv4 address with no other usage within the cu window. I didn't recognise the range I'm afraid, and I don't see any other abuse on the /16; you'll be able to see the address in the logs, the geolocation might mean something to you (someone you've blocked recently perhaps?). Girth Summit (blether) 10:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Which logs? There are still things in the labyrinthine lore of CU I don't know or have forgotten. Doug Weller talk 11:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The CU logs (here - you can see the check I ran on the account, and the IPs I looked at afterwards. Girth Summit (blether) 12:57, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Of course, but I’ve never done that. Doug Weller talk 13:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a really handy trick to use, especially if you're trying to work out whether a new account is connected to a blocked account from way back when - the old account may be stale, but there is often useful info in the logs. I've got some clever scripts installed that give me links to go directly to all the checks that have been run on an account - I can dig out what they're called if you're interested, but probably only useful if you spend a lot of time sniffing out socks. Girth Summit (blether) 13:22, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks but I’m being cautious with scripts, I think I have one causing problems with Safari on my iPad. Doug Weller talk 13:32, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When they go wrong it can be a real pain that's for sure. Girth Summit (blether) 15:47, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it may be fixed.Something happened today with Vector 2022 which took away the white space. Nothing I did. Doug Weller talk 16:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes it was, somehow I zoomed to 250%! No idea how I managed that. Doug Weller talk 08:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Possible socks[edit]

Hi @Girth Summit, I wanted to bring to your attention something unusual. There are two identical drafts, Draft:Anil. V. Nagendran and Draft:Anil V Nagendran created by two new users who may be sock puppets. I don't want to open another SPI so I came to you directly. I think a checkuser is needed to investigate this further as there may be more sock puppets hiding. Additionally, if possible, please review Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SuhailShaji786. I have also identified some other suspicious IDs and wanted to clear this up first. Thank you. Akevsharma (talk) 15:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please could you go ahead and raise an SPI? Sorry, I've been staring at CU data for too long today, I need to go do something active! Better to have things logged properly for future reference anyway. Thanks Girth Summit (blether) 17:41, 24 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, one an editor who started a month ago, creating the article first in their sandbox, then draft, then on talk page. Second a new editor who put a COI notice on their talk page and then removed it. Probably a duck but I did CU and of course they are the same. I think I'll block both. I guess some people might only short term block the original editor, but what's the point? Doug Weller talk 11:20, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And how do I delete the sock's draft? The master wasn't blocked at the time. I should know but... Doug Weller talk 11:26, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd probably use G6 - if they are identical, getting rid of one of them seems like housekeeping to me. Girth Summit (blether) 13:05, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Makes sense, thanks again. Doug Weller talk 13:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey Doug Weller, I have reported another new suspected sockpuppet in the latest report at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SuhailShaji786. This requires immediate attention as the sockpuppet is continuously creating new UPE articles again and again. Akevsharma (talk) 04:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Akevsharma It needs more details, have you looked at it recently? Doug Weller talk 15:20, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Could you take a look at this one?[edit]

[3] - gotta be a sock. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 10:04, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Goodness me, there are some incredibly shitty people in the world. I see that Widr already blocked; I'm on mobile at the moment, but I'll poke around later when I'm on my laptop and see whether anything else needs doing.
As for your news, I'm so sorry. I hope you're able to figure out the right care plan, and that you're able to stay active and enjoying life for as long as possible. You've been a real inspiration to me in my time here - if there's ever anything I can do, just let me know. Girth Summit (blether) 10:21, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks very much. I'm moved and humbled by the comments on my talk page. I don't even know how so many people saw it. Doug Weller talk 12:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You've been very active for a very long time Doug - there are few people who have done so much to maintain the quality of our articles, so I'm not surprised that so many people appreciate that. I was thinking about you this morning while I was tramping the stray with the dog. My mother is living with thyroid cancer. They operated to remove as much of it as they can, but there are still cells spreading slowly around her body that they can't do anything about. She's a retired doctor herself, and she's very pragmatic about it - she says that at her age, it's most likely that something else will get her before the cancer actually causes any real problems. I don't know what kind you've got, but I just hope that it's something like that, which can be managed without causing you pain, and that you have a decent bit of enjoyable life ahead of you. Girth Summit (blether) 12:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, Girth Summit,

User:Doctorlimp is the latest editor who created an account and immediately jumped into AFD discussions. An unrelated editor, Serratra, has had an account longer but has shown up at AFDs to vote in opposition to however all of the other editors are voting, I can't tell what their priorities are except to be a contrary voter. He might just be a troll, not a sockpuppet but I thought I'd mention him since he has ignored my requests to get more experience editing articles. Just another week at AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doctorlimp is definitely someone's sock, and I think it's probably Ugbedeg (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ugbedeg). Aside from the AfD contributions, which I think is likely a smokescreen, they've edited two articles, one of which has an Ugbedeg sock in its recent history; the other has a number of untagged blocked accounts that might have been them. They're editing out of two ranges, both of which Ugbedeg has used recently. I'm going to block and tag as suspected. Haven't looked into the other one yet. Girth Summit (blether) 16:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Checkuser Request[edit]

Hello there again. I wanted to inquire if you would be able to run a checkuser on User:Australianblackbelt and User:Agnez Mo fan. Here is my reasoning.

  • User:Australianblackbelt was blocked indefinitely at the beginning of the month for continually using Wikipedia for promoting either themselves, or their friends and acquaintances. They had a very long convoluted history of trying to name drop Maurice Novoa into every possible article they could to the extent they're blatantly either that person, or very closely related to them.
  • Maurice Novoa was deleted at AfD exactly 2 years ago (give or take a few hours)
  • Yesterday an account recreated the Maurice Novoa page, User:Badak Jawa, with content and wording a cut down version of the deleted article, but using Australianblackbelt's uploaded photos (that are clearly personal collection photos that they somehow got access to.)
  • In very short order this brand new account, Agnez Mo fan, dropped details onto Badak Jawa's talk page with basically a here is what the page is translated from the Indonesian wikipedia page. However it's clear that what was pasted here was not a translation from the Indonesian Wikipedia, but a copy and paste of the content of the now deleted article (I can't recall if new accounts etc have access to the contents of deleted articles, I don't believe so.)
  • Agnez Mo fan then proceeded to add links to the newly created Maurice Novoa page to several other articles that were favourites of Australianblackbelt, and even add Maurice's name to another which is again an MO of Australianblackbelt.

I genuinely don't know if Badak Jawa is connected to this, or if it's completely coincidence on timing and subject matter, though the jumping in of Agnez Mo fan so quickly is suspicious to me. However their other edits don't feel the same. I feel fairly certain (though willing to be proven wrong) that Agnez Mo fan is a sock of Australianblackbelt. (which also makes me wonder if there are more.) I'm not so sure on Badak Jawa, possibly meat but I really don't know but I just find the topic and timings suspicious. Though if Badak Jawa is connected to Agnez Mo fan and Australianblackbelt then it would present the possibility that there are more accounts out there based on account history and and creation times. Let me know if you'd like anything else. Canterbury Tail talk 12:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello let me clarify your misunderstanding. I wanted to create this article to interwiki to Wikipedia English as a translation from Wikipedia Indonesia and did not know that this article had been made by another user, therefore I apologize and promise not to post articles on English Wikipedia. Regards Badak Jawa (talk) 12:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Canterbury Tail please don't block my account because I just want to translate the article to English Wikipedia Badak Jawa (talk) 12:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While contributing to the English Wikipedia, I only made 4 articles, namely: Persipu FC, Reza Mozafari Manesh, Hotma Sitompul and Maurice Novoa. But only Persipu FC and Hotma Sitompul was not deleted by the Wikipedia English administrator Badak Jawa (talk) 12:48, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Canterbury Tail: Australianblackbelt and Agnez Mo fan are definitely  Possible to one another - they're operating on different IP ranges, but their geolocations are identical (same city), and they use the same (very common) UA. It's not conclusive, but based on the date of account creation (shortly after the previous account was blocked) and the identical editing interests, that's enough for me - I'm blocking as suspected. Badak Jawa looks like someone else, but they should read WP:MEAT and WP:PROXYING, and ensure that they don't do anything that looks like it could be interpreted as colluding with or editing on behalf of a blocked user. Girth Summit (blether) 13:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Forgive me for not reading the policies contained in the English Wikipedia but please don't block me because I am not their sockpuppet Badak Jawa (talk) 13:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't currently see any reason to block your account, but I'd advise you to walk away from this subject. Girth Summit (blether) 13:26, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Girth Summit. And Badak Jawa sorry for dragging you into this, but we needed to check. Canterbury Tail talk 13:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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