User talk:GiantSnowman/2022

i.e Nadesan

This was not a test and was a genuine edit. Sorry for the confusion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felepeer (talk • contribs) 19:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I was in the process of adding a URL and my source said different about the appearances - the edit was far from nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felepeer (talk • contribs) 19:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand what I have done wrong apart from misquote the appearances, my block of text about his brace was all correct with the correct pages attached.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felepeer (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I didn't mess up the info box, stats I did mess up - thx for rectifying and the paragraph was notable, I don't understand how it is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felepeer (talk • contribs) 20:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

I have seen regularly on many other footballers pages regular goals mentioned - I'm sorry if you don't agree with that - apologies for the info box formatting badly as well Felepeer (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 1, 2022)

A man playing the didgeridoo, an indigenous instrument of Australia that was developed at least 1,500 years ago. This is one of the myriad topics within the history of music. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: History of music Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Carapace • Goat meat Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

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Category:Forced disappearances in Syria has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in Syria has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 01:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Forced disappearances in the Gambia has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in the Gambia has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 01:53, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Category:Forced disappearances in South Africa has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in South Africa has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Johanna Quaas

Now is not the time to make edits based on your own desires to an article that was just approved for DYK and has been up for 24 minutes. Please stop and revert them. Then discuss your ideas on the talk page. Thank you. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

You have introduced at least one error. Would you please revert and then bring up your suggestions on the Talk:Johanna Quaas page? Thank you. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 12:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

AtishT20

Hello GS. Please keep an eye out on User:AtishT20 for a potential block in the near future. Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:44, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 2, 2022)

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Reader Rabbit Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: History of music • Carapace Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Violation of NPA

Hi GS, how are you?

An IP user, which seems to be @JimmyCrow (per my warning on his talk page after I actually reverted his edit on Ferran Jutglà), is personally attacking me on my talk page. Can you handle this, please?

Thank you, BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 14:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Jake O'Brien (footballer)

could you please undelete the draft I created as I'd like to review what I did on it in case it should be merged into the article you moved from your userspace this evening. Spike 'em (talk) 20:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Forced disappearances in Laos has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in Laos has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 07:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Forced disappearances in Iran has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in Iran has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 07:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Forced disappearances in Uzbekistan has been nominated for merging

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Category:Forced disappearances in Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for merging

Category:Forced disappearances in Bosnia and Herzegovina has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. (t · c) buidhe 07:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Forced disappearances in Iraq

A tag has been placed on Category:Forced disappearances in Iraq indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Qwerfjkltalk 18:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Date of birth is wrong on this

Hi this is not correct information ? Daisy19381962 (talk) 08:45, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Gerrard Garner

I see you reverted the Gerard Garner youth career section, you cited RV not RS... In terms of reliable sources you were welcome to browse a search engine and find a reliable source, but rv, maybe meaning relevance ? As to the relevance, the youth career is an integral part of his professional career which set him up for life, please specify what your intentions were in reverting ? Cltjames (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Apology

Hello, GiantSnowman. I want to apologize for my reaction to your changes to Johanna Quaas. Honestly, I guess I was having a bad few weeks and it caught up to me. You did not deserve my reaction. We all really have only one goal, and that is to make a great encyclopedia. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 00:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 3, 2022)

A NeXTstation graphics workstation from 1990 Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Workstation Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Reader Rabbit • History of music Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Draft:Chay Cooper

Does his FA Cup game against Wigan allow his article to be promoted to main space? Govvy (talk) 12:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Nimmmad

Hi GS. @Nimmmad: is still at: [1] They were previously blocked for 48 hours last year. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Robby.is.on (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:NINHERENT

No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists [n.b. in this instance, "because it happened"].

A guideline which states that "Some things are inherently notable" is plain incorrect, and correcting this in the most minimal way possible is not a material change. If you have a better idea for an improvement, please do explain. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I really don't want to have to start an RfC over a single word change. Correcting a clearly incorrect statement shouldn't be controversial. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Do not remove the listing, which is valid. If you're going to edit erratically I will raise the whole debacle at ANI. GiantSnowman 22:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: You are surely aware that listing it at WP:FOOTBALL appears like blatant canvassing, right? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Please actually read WP:CANVASS - and stop removing my talk page posts if you are not doing to relocate them. You state you want to keep the discussion in one place but are not doing that! GiantSnowman 22:17, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Do I need to give you as example the dozens of footballer AfDs where WP:FOOTBALL members consistently and almost predictably vote "Keep passes NFOOTY"? Whether it is or isn't canvassing, it certainly appears like it. And my (and other people's) problems with NSPORTS are for more general than simply football and far predate the latest example which you incorrectly seem to think is my sole motivation. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

And if you do that I'll be able to give you dozens of examples where a player has passed NFOOTBALL but been deleted due to failing GNG. There are loads of AFDs like that... GiantSnowman 20:54, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

And isn't it problematic that many editors who should know better keep doing this despite the players clearly not meeting inclusion criteria? And then, of course, any attempt to change any guideline to avoid that kind of silliness gets met with resistance under reasons as fanciful as "but [insert other criteria] is also broken" or the call to panic that getting rid of it altogether will make the problem worse (which other solutions are left?)... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Rename category

Please see my proposal to speedily rename Category:Enforced disappearances in Bangladesh to Category:Forced disappearances in Bangladesh Hugo999 (talk) 10:51, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

IP changing colors in navbox

Hi. Please, could you have a look at the contributions of this user? He is changing colors in the navboxes of several national football teams (cross-wiki), and it's not the first time in action. Don't know if you already went through his contributions. Cheers. --GC85 (talk) 09:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

The changes I saw seemed good to me… Robby.is.on (talk) 09:44, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

@GC85 and Robby.is.on: where is the disruption? GiantSnowman 14:31, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

He is changing unilaterally all the colors in the navboxes and I don't know based on which criteria. Other users also complained about that (see here and in his talk) and the user is never giving a motivation. To me, some changes could even be useful, but done in a not collaborative and write only way is not good. --GC85 (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

This is essentially a content dispute. Again - what/where is the disruption? Is the IP edit warring/editing against consensus? GiantSnowman 14:47, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Notability help

Hi @GiantSnowman: Would you be able to tell me if this Wisconsin–La Crosse Eagles is notable? There is also this: Wisconsin–La Crosse Eagles football. If it is notable, they will need merged. scope_creep^Talk 19:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Rename categories

Please see my proposal to speedily rename subcategories of Category:Enforced disappearances by country e.g. Category:Forced disappearances in Argentina to Category:Enforced disappearances in Argentina to align with the parent category per C2C. Hugo999 (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Cozy1298

They still continue to edit war despite we haven't got a consensus at WT:FOOTY yet (two people aren't enough). It's their 5th or 6th revert and they've reverted in spite of my warn on their talk page. What do we do with them? Dr Salvus 14:52, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Reece James Revert

Yeah, I apologise, I did spend a good amount of time on it. But it was long-winded and to an extent poorly sourced. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia but enjoy my football. Again, I apologise. EsTuHabil (talk) 17:09, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I have tried again and reduced the lengthy writing and improved sources. I was wondering if you could please have a look? EsTuHabil (talk) 19:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, I understand that now, and I'll be sure to keep it in mind for future reference ensuring I source it properly. Thank you for having look. EsTuHabil (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, If you don't mind me asking what constitutes a reliable source? https://wiki.alquds.edu/?query=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Links#Players_by_club I know it says that they do not all qualify as reliable sources. I'm guessing a club wouldn't as it would be considered biased in some context? EsTuHabil (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 4, 2022)

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Television ratings Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Workstation • Reader Rabbit Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Contact. I am tracing my family tree.

John Reid Footballer would been my mams cousin. I noticed johns granddaughter updated site.. Just trying to contact the Scottish side of the family Iant52 (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Oskari Kekkonen

Here’s the source that said he transferred to this team.

https://kayafc.com/news/kaya-fc-iloilo-signs-azkals-midfielder-oskari-kekkonen/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.54.102.0 (talk) 01:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Tough as they come (the user i can see)...

Filipe Soares (footballer, born 1999): on 21 January 2022, another Greek "user" added one of the most laughable stuff sourcing transfers I have ever seen here in 15 years (read this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Filipe_Soares_(footballer,_born_1999)&diff=next&oldid=1066891911; "middlefielder", "IF the deal is sealed, which is expected", etc, etc).

These last few days, User:DarkShineMan does not even try (to add refs I mean), just keeps changing the club to PAOK FC (ah, but only in box, nowhere else!). What can be done, please? --2001:8A0:7667:5801:C8A9:7BA7:E8F9:9BEC (talk) 02:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Lewis O'Brien edits

The edit to the Lewis O'Brien link was not a test and was replacing a 404 AllTheSense (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
It was the source for his height and birth, which hasn't changed and it used to replace an otherwise dead link. AllTheSense (talk) 21:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I see now that you undid my edit and added a new not dead much more correct link. Looks good! AllTheSense (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Dejan Kulusevski

Hi. Can you protect this page? Editors have often changed his team to Tottenham following to his transfer rumour today. Dr Salvus 10:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Jack Hindle

Hi there - I took the Kelantan appearances and goals from this Kelantan page, which seems to have taken the stats from the Malaysian FA page here - I've double checked against the individual line-ups for each game under the "result" tab. Cha06ns (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

References

This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2022)

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Social equality Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Television ratings • Workstation Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Icelandic names

Hi, regarding Special:Diff/1069039952 – the English Wikipedia norm is to refer to Icelandic persons with their given name, as they typically don't have a real surname. This is something I originally learned to do by editing English Wikipedia. (: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Country-specific usage and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Subsequent use. See also Template:Icelandic name, which was actually present at the top of Arnór Ingvi Traustason before I edited as well. /Julle (talk) 11:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

IP Bhutan vandal guy (pt. 2)

Hi, this guy is editing under 93.143.73.189 (talk · contribs). Could you please block him? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be blocked indefinitely, given that's he's using a sockpuppet (and for his harassment towards MYS77 in the past)? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

He's now harassing me at simple.wiki and commons... How should I deal with this inter-wiki situation? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 16:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Nicolas Tié for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Nicolas Tié is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolas Tié (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

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Ethan Coleman

I wrote this article on Saturday, which you deleted, with no explanation or communication, and replaced it with a version of your own, containing less information. I am unsure as to why you did this, or why you felt I did not deserve even a heads up. I then created a version including my extra information, which was sourced, plus some elements of your version. You have now reverted my additions, and I'd like an explanation as to why I'm apparently not allowed to edit this article. Your edit summary "rv to last good version" was one I found very rude and not a little insulting. Can you elaborate on which elements of my input were not good? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I have also had problems with his account deleting my edits on certain pages, and then replacing them with their own which were same as the original?! Seems he likes to take ownership of certain pages and deletes anything that he didn’t upload. Liverpool445 (talk) 21:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Liverpool445: any examples please? GiantSnowman 21:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't consider deleting my version and replacing it with yours, directly from your userspace, a merge. You merged the histories, but you replaced every word I'd written, even slightly rewording the intro to say exactly the same thing that I'd said. You say you had a problem with two words I wrote, yet replaced the entire text. The two words you objected to, "featured regularly", were sourced at the end of that sentence. The Orient source says Coleman was a "mainstay" at King's Lynn, a word I did not care to repeat due to potential copyvio (so I paraphrased), and the guy played in 20 of their 23 matches this season, clearly featuring regularly. You seriously think that's contentious enough to replace the entire text? Why replace my entire text with your text, which contained less information, instead of simply removing the words you objected to? Like anybody else would? You say "POV like" those two words, so what else? What other POV exists in my version? You removed my table entirely, even though you then replaced it with an identical table, plus your sources. Why didn't you just add the source to my table? Why didn't you explain any of your objections in your edit summaries so that I might have understood your concerns? Respectfully, it looks a lot like you considered my edits "unsuitable" merely because they were not yours. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

But I didn't delete 'your' version - the history is there! If a source says he was a mainstay, then directly quote using quotation marks. Why didn't you source the table yourself to begin with? I'm here to collaborate, so happy to discuss a compromise on the article talk page. GiantSnowman 22:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The history is there, but none of what I wrote remains in the article, the sources, nothing. I received a note on my watchlist from the deletion log, saying "G6: Deleted to make way for move". I naturally assumed that's a deletion. If quoting the article is better than using other words to say the same thing, then we can do that. Not sourcing the table was an oversight. It did not require removal, twice, just to add a source. Why didn't you just request a source? We can discuss a compromise on the talk page, yes. I planned to expand the text anyway; I just didn't have time on Saturday. Then I saw little point in expanding the text if it was not going to be allowed to remain. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

To be fair, 'your' version also removed all the sources that I had added. This tit-for-tat is not conducive to proper collaborative editing; so I have updated the article and await your comments on the article talk page. GiantSnowman 09:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Federico Gatti

Hi. If you're experienced with copyright, it'd be better you control the photo which has been inserted to this page today. I'm afraid it violate the copyright Dr Salvus 19:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Bosnian IP

He's back as 93.137.10.199. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

And 93.137.14.176‎. I had submitted a request at ANI, but nothing has changed... Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I meant Croatian. I got confused with BosnianBeast. Anyway, the Croatian IP is the "Bhutan" guy who harassed me cross-wiki. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

That's good, though he has vowed to continue as long as he's alive, so we'll see if he keeps his promise. Nehme₁₄₉₉

Yeah, it didn't last much. 93.143.105.184. I keep updating the AN post each time I find a new IP btw. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

He has now resorted to writing my full name in edit summaries. Can you please hide these two ([2], [3])? Also, can't you personally do a long-term range block? This will never stop... I can now see why MYS stopped editing. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I mean, take a look at these: [4], [5]. The guy is not right in the head. Surely all these attacks warrant an immediate long-term IP range block! Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

93.138.238.225 (again using my full name). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing GiantSnowman a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

2021–22 Rahmatganj MFS season

Hello, I noticed that you deleted the 2021–22 Rahmatganj MFS season article, due to lack of notability. I think I have enough sources that proof that Rahmatganj MFS will take part in the upcoming Bangladesh Football Premier League (2021/22) season. (Source1) (Source2) (Source3). Since the page is protected i cannot create the article and I'm sure these sources are proof enough that the team is taking part in the upcoming League season (which started on 3rd February). Please let me know if I'm allowed can create the page.FNH004 (talk) 07:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Croatian IP 2

He's back as 93.142.147.222. He's written nonsense messages on many users' talk pages (including mine). I've seen the discussion above and I'm not the only person Dr Salvus 08:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Discard this message, the IP's just been blocked for 1 year Dr Salvus 08:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Contact

Hi Giantsnowman

I would like to get in contact with you about a particular page re a footballer.

Thanks Benforan (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2022)

Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Joseph Lelyveld Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Social equality • Television ratings Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 7 February 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Disruptive editing at Albanian football articles

Hi GS. 188.164.221.8 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has been editing disruptively at Albanian football articles for a long time. It's mainly updating caps without updating timestamps. They've been blocked a few times, most recently in November for one month. A new block would be helpful. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:37, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 22:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Back again

• 78.1.21.101 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• (Redacted)
• Cedarball (talk · contribs)

These difs should also be deleted: [6], [7], [8]. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: - all sorted by @Zzuuzz:. GiantSnowman 18:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Kevin Fisher

The update I added was sourced from the link [9] which shows 10 appearances and one goal if friendlies are included - scroll down to the bottom of the page for the 10 matches. Zanoni (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the clarification Zanoni (talk) 20:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Max Hunt

Hi, I know the spells were separate, I left them separated out in the infobox, I only combined them in the Career Statistics section, where I was under the impression we take more of a year-by-year approach rather than a 'spell-by-spell' approach? I think I first saw it on the page for Wilfried Zaha, where it happens twice (2012-13 & 2014-15). Nonleagueapps (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Date format

I've noticed that you have repeatedly used DMY date format when updating Marlon Fossey's stats in the infobox instead of MDY format. I even left a note to remind you to use the appropriate date format, which you promptly both deleted and ignored with your most recent update. Please, when updating statistics within the infobox of a footballer, make sure you update the timestamp using the appropriate date format. In Fossey's case, you can do this by using {{subst:mdytime}} to create an automatic MDY timestamp. Anwegmann (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Zaha

There now seem to be no totals rows at all for CPFC. Was that your intention? Eagleash (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Anthony Plant for deletion

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Charley McMillan-Lopez

I don't want to continue to be involved in reverting the edits of a user who I would clearly say is the player concerned. He's deleted again the whole (sourced( club section, re-added the clubs that cannot be adequately sourced and has changed DOB and height. Even sitting in bed with Covid I would rather work on other articles. I have requested page protection. Hope you had a good vacation. Zanoni (talk) 13:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Resolved, Zanoni (talk) 14:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2022)

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Bamse

Hello! I wonder if you'd consider moving your article Bamse (St. Bernard) to Bamse (dog), per what seems to be the common naming of dog-articles per Category:Individual dogs. I think it takes an admin to do it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:University of Stirling F.C. players

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Nomination of Mitchell Culshaw for deletion

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Category:English expatriate football managers has been nominated for deletion

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Histmerge request

Hi, could you please do a mistmerge for Luka Stankovski and my draft (User:Nehme1499/sandbox/Luka Stankovski)? The page creator agreed to do so (talk page). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Concerning your ANI report

You may want to consider adding editor Klõps, to your Estonia PoV pushing report. See the Leo Komarov BLP. That's at least three editors attempting to re-write history. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

My impression is that BM's siding with the pro-Estonian PoV & he isn't going to budge. GoodDay (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Avraham Tamir

This isn't the first or even second time I've noticed you removing and changing content of DYK articles when you don't have a single clue what you're on about - so when this is the case, instead of just changing information to something that could be wrong or misleading, you should go to the talkpage and leave a note saying something like "I don't know the specifics of this event/person/other subject, but I've noticed that X in the article might go against WP policy". DYK articles have recently been improved just to appear on the MP, so someone who knows much more than you will likely be watching and willing to answer. Kingsif (talk) 10:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I know your edits are in good faith, but when on multiple occasions you assume things and try to edit in line with that, and each time someone has to swing by and correct you and the article, the pattern of behavior becomes disruptive. Asking first would be better for everyone. Kingsif (talk) 10:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I see you like opening ANI threads

This is another friendly - genuinely - message. I see you like opening ANI threads, and I have not read any but the one where you accuse me of a personal attack, so I cannot comment on how valid the others are. But I have, at least for cases like our not-much-of-a-dispute, a suggestion, (which I realized is what I would have, instead of ANI, expected) after I left the comment at ANI that I am of the opinion that dragging someone to ANI over one word that even in the worst case isn't a personal attack is a massive over-escalation. I'm sure you are aware of Template:Uw-npa1, which would be more appropriate than ANI for non-persistent incivility; I suppose you're also aware that the regulars don't like to be templated, and the suggestion is to leave a personal message. That's what I've done with you, and what I would have expected if you were actually concerned about CIVIL: a new thread, with the diff link, saying you think it's uncalled for. I don't know if you've had unpleasant exchanges that now make ANI your first stop, or if you were just particularly riled today, but I hope you take this for the suggestion and olive branch it is. Kingsif (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif: - no, I don't like opening ANI threads, what a ridiculous/baseless/bad faith thing to say. Makes me think you are actively trolling now, and now in no way do I think what you say above is 'genuine'. How was I supposed to leave you a message when you simply keep reverting me? And it would have fallen on deaf ears when you have double downed on it. All you had to do was say "sorry, I got annoyed, I shouldn't have said it, I won't do it again" and I would have been fine. GiantSnowman 11:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Dude, it was a joke because the section two above is about an ANI. I thought making a light-hearted joke would be well-received and help to diffuse what I felt was your hostility. No, that is not backtracking, I was genuinely trying here. Your consistent accusations of bad faith don't make me confident you'll accept this, of course. (And hey, I'd appreciate a "sorry, I got upset, I shouldn't have gone to ANI", so let's call it even and please move on.) Kingsif (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kingsif: - do not "dude" me, and jokes are only jokes if they are funny. You have been told at ANI not to make further comments like your original insult, so my post was clearly merited. Your attempted explanation is pathetic. Please do not post here again unless it is an apology. GiantSnowman 17:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Original research in Dervish-related articles

Hello!

Per [10] Heesxiisolehh agreed to stop adding OR and you told me to let you know when I notice any further issues.

Just wanted to let you know that he has already breached that agreement, and proceeded to readd original research (see here), just four days after he agreed to stop. In addition to that, he accused me of adding OR and misrepresenting sources. ([11])

Like I outlined on the report I very much doubt he is fit to edit on this encyclopedia given his history and continuing to add OR. If he won't stop after an admin explicitly tells him to, what other options are there? Gebagebo (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: - Gebagebo, the information looks sourced to me, what is OR exactly about it? Heesxiisolehh if this was OR then you will be indefinitely blocked in the near future OK? GiantSnowman 10:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Well there are several points that are original research:

1. First is him claiming that the Dervish movement started in 1895, when there is scholarly consensus that it started in 1899. For this he uses Pilgrim, preacher and pretender by Alfred Pearce, which only mentions that the tribes "regard him as a court of appeal in their tribal disputes". Nothing that remotely implies the start of the movement.

2. He's pushing the idea that the Dervishes aimed to establish a state in the Nugaal and the Nugaal only. The cited sources in that part only mention how the Nugaal was his base of operations at best, and do not mention the Mullah's intent of establishing a state. In the Shadow of Conquest only mentions an angry letter from the Mullah, Official history of the operations in Somaliland, 1901-04 only mentions Nugaal as an area where the main operations would be conducted, Horn of Africa, Volume 1, Issue 2 only mentions forts the Mullah built for his people/soldiers, Socialist Somalia: Rhetoric and Reality, The Shaping of Somali Society, The History of Somalia and Somalia, a Country Study refer to the Illig Treaty, where the Italians granted the Mullah protected status in the Nugaal among other concessions, Frontier and Overseas Expeditions from India only mentions an advance on Nugaal, and lastly Translocal Connections across the Indian Ocean: Swahili Speaking Networks on the Move only mentions the Mullah calling for jihad in the Nugaal.

Per Wikipedia rules the citations need to directly back up any claims on any article. None of the citations back up anything he has written. This seems to be WP:SYNTH territory as well since he's using half a dozen sources to come to a conclusion not supported by any of them. Gebagebo (talk) 11:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: - Gebagebo, thanks for clarifying. Heesxiisolehh, please provide an explanation as a matter of urgency. GiantSnowman 12:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Giantsnowman.

The discrepancy in sources between 1895 and 1899 are that the latter date is when hostilities began over armaments, but with in-line cites, I am fine with both dates. For anyone interested, these are the sources I envisioned:

1895

H. M. Stationery office. p. 49. "He acquired some notoriety by seditious preaching in Berbera in 1895, ... and eventually started a religious movement" Faulkner, Neil (2021). Empire and Jihad, p. 339, "Returning from his final pilgrimage in 1895, he moved back to his home, Kirrit in the Dolbahanta tribal territory ... and there launched his mission to redeem Islam and reclaim Somalia" Roy Irons, 2013, "In 1895 he returned to Berbera, charged with the conversion of the Somalis to the puritan doctrines which he had so deeply imbibed"

Just to preempt anyone trying to hyperbole my statements in the future, I believe Dervishes had an emphasis for Nugaal, not only. Note that the cession of Nugal was preceded by negotiations. If Dervishes negotiated for the Nugal then something you negotiate for is something you seek. The sources below use a combination of coveting, with the usage of country, state, or rule:

emphasis on Nugaal

Source: WS Clarke - 1992, "Abdullah signed with the Italians ... an agreement of peace and protection which made the "Mad Mullah" the legitimate ruler of the territory of Nogal." Source: Empires at War: 1911-1923, Robert Gerwarth, 2014, p. 47, "Hassan, was given the Nogal valley to rule as he pleased" Note Nugaal called a "country" and Dervishes "rejoiced" for it: LIDWIEN KAPTEIJNS, 1996, p. 1 - 8 [https://org.uib.no/smi/sa/06/6Kapteijns.pdf "Sayyid used this new international recognition to realize some of his state building ambitions ... you say that you will go away from the country, that is, from the Nugaal and Buuhoodleh and their environs. At this we rejoiced greatly" Note Dervish negotiations leading to a Nugaal-based state: Salwe, 1996, p 33, "After heated negotiations an agreement was reached on 5 March 1905 ... The Ilig Treaty recognised Sayid Mahamed as leader of a mini state in the Nugaal Valley" Note how Jaamac Cumar (the foremost native Dervish scholar with 120 peer reviews) singles out emphasising Dervish attachment to Nugaal with strong words of "most desired" and "indispensable" and note usage of "dalka / dalkii" meaning country: Daraawiishi xagga dalka iyo xagga degmadaba Nugaal baa sal u ahayd arladana waa ugu jeclaayeen ... Daraawiishi Nugaal kama maaranto oo waa dhulkay asalka u lahayd waa dalkii loo gartay inay iyagu ka taliyaan For the Dervish, their country and habitation had Nugaal as headquarters, as the land they desired most ... Dervishes viewed Nugaal as indispensable, as their original land, and the country that was known as ruled by them Source: 2005, Jaamc Cumar Ciise, p 259, p. 128, Taariikhdii daraawiishta iyo Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan Jaamac Cumar states similar in the 1974 book: Weligoodna Daraawiishtu waxay haanka ku hayeen in dhulka loo yaqaan Nugaal iyo dhulka ciidda cas midna inaanay gacantooda ka bixin Since its beginnings, the ultimate objective of Dervish had always been that Nugaal and the reddish soil of 'Iid should forever remain in their firm grip Source: Diiwaanka gabayadii, 1856-1921 - Page 152, Jaamac Cumar Ciise

There is undue weight pertaining to Dervish demographics:

Inaccurate figures of Dervish demographics

EAR, Omar Mahmood, p. 15, "The Dhulbahante were dominant in both the Dervish movement and under the Barre regime" Source Robert Hess, 1964, p 48, "with the establishment of the Nogal protectorate ... the Dervish followers of Muhammad Abdullah Hassan were for the most part from the Dolbahanta" Roy Irons. 2013, p. 30 "The defiant Sayyid, who from his base among the powerful Dolbahanta clan" Samatar, Said (1982). "Oral Poetry and Somali Nationalism" make a few observations about the Dulbahante, for it was this clan who formed the core of the Sayyid's following and whose strengths and weaknesses Dervishism as a movement could be said to have reflected. This pattern of communizing extends to individuals too, Sudi (a core Somaliland-tribe member) mentioned 4 times whilst Ismail Mire "the most important general of the dervish forces" is removed by Gebagebo from the Dervish page entirely.

Other inaccuracies introduced in 17th Feb edit

Some edits Gebagebo introduced States Illig is in Somaliland when Illig is in Puntland States coastal withdrawal happened in 1913, when it happened in 1910 "withdrawal be carried out on 15 March 1910" Dervish control over "Burao watering places" isn't mentioned in corresponding source The "engagements" section states colonist were on the offensive to capture between 1913-1920, although most sources state this period the British had a defensive policy on account of the World War; "withdrawal be carried out on 15 March 1910" The intro under origins links Salahiya to "Saudi Wahhabism", although the Salihiyya page itself links it to a completely different denomination of Sufism.

I'm kinda in a hurry so I had to scribble this pretty quick, but my main gripe with Gebagebo's edits is I get the sense that his approach to sources at one time is demographically over-communizing, then followed by being over selective / restrictive, with subsequent areas I feel WP:Undue ending in a brush. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 01:26, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Most of those sources do not support what you're claiming, with you doing original analysis which should be left to secondary sources, the actual scholars. "I believe Dervishes had an emphasis for Nugaal, not only" does not explain why you have edited to reflect that the Dervishes aimed to establish a state in Nugaal only ([12], [13], [14] among others), which no source has explicitly stated.

Also regarding demographics, reliable sources state that the Dervishes were a multi-clan movement rather than a movement that is predominantly Dhulbahante (althought they made a bulk of its members), a POV you have pushed, especially early on as you introduced new terminology like "Dhulbahante fort" or "Dhulbahante garesa" to replace "Dervish fort" or become a synonym of the term, which is not only pure original research but also misusing of sources and clear POV (see [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23] just to name a few). This seems to indicate a certain bias in favour of a clan while attempting to erase the participation of other clans who were constituent parts of the movement.

As for the inaccuracies, I restored most of the page to the state it was before you added your original research, and is therefore not content that I have personally contributed myself. To address them separately,

• Again not my text however for the sake of WP:BURDEN I have corrected that.
• The sentence "In 1913, after the British withdrawal to the coast" is still factually correct since it does not imply that the British withdrew in 1913, but rather mentions a time period after the British withdrawal to the coast.
• Per WP:BURDEN I added a reliable source that explicitly mentions the capture of Burao and its watering places in August 1899 (text erroneously said 1898)
• Per WP:BURDEN I have removed that part for now and reworded the section since I could not find a reliable source to back it up. Will research this further tomorrow.
• That is an issue that is out of scope of this topic. The source cited for this section explicitly mentions that the teachings of the founder of the Salihiyyah tariqa, Muhammad Salih, was influenced by Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd al-Wahhab, founder of the Wahhabi movement. Gebagebo (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

The main issue is however that you told @GiantSnowman: that you agreed to stop original research, but then resorted to original research after, breaching the agreement within quite literally four days. Gebagebo (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo and Heesxiisolehh: TLDR - I don't have the time to wade through all of that. As per the latest ANI please start a RFC/DRN rather than clogging up my talk page. GiantSnowman 08:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Albanian disruptive editor

Hi GS. The blocked 188.164.221.8 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has returned as 188.164.221.51 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). What to do? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 00:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Good idea, would do that. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Question

Read the last edit's edit summary at Cristian Volpato. What should be done? How could we verify that they've said the truth? Dr Salvus 07:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Question2

Having a prob with an editor on here.Justanother2 (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Can you advise? You have been on here quite a while.Justanother2 (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

You mentioned email. I don't know if you meant Wikipedia special email through the site or what.Justanother2 (talk) 10:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Could I request that you answer me on this page? I suppose asking you to help with that specific editor would be a good thing. Also as you say on your user page you can be emailed. I haven't used the Wikipedia emailing system; guess you aren't using off site email for the same purpose.Justanother2 (talk) 10:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: - you keep asking for help without giving any details. Either provide details of the issue so I can try and help, or (respectfully) go away and stop wasting my time. GiantSnowman 10:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Fynsta is following me, seeming to create an agenda, being a nuisance, etc. This editor wont stop bombarding me.Justanother2 (talk) 10:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: - any evidence of that? GiantSnowman 10:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Ya, there will probably always be disagreements on here about where to put commas (especially in a list of more than three items). You can see how often this user has reverted edits I made. There's no middle ground it seems with this editor.Justanother2 (talk) 10:54, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: nope, I can't see that in the edit history, and in the absence of you providing any evidence and no ongoing disruption, there is nothing to do here. GiantSnowman 10:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Following me to the relay article is proof. I don't know what you mean. It is very obvious.Justanother2 (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: I presume you are referring to this? If so that is not evidence of stalking or disruptive editing. GiantSnowman 11:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Don't take this in an unintended manner. You have been on here a long time; you are an admin. You have seen problem editors. This user is determined to track me. They do follow, they revert some of my edits. There is no justification for such behavior. I already mentioned that not everyone on here agrees. They don't go around causing trouble though.Justanother2 (talk) 11:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: you are making unsubstantiated claims about other editors. I see no evidence of what you complain of. There is no need for any admin action. GiantSnowman 11:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

We disagree but this is why people stop editing on here. Users like that one drive them away by whatever ways they pick. You certainly have seen people get discouraged. It's unfortunate that you don't stop the situations. Not sure how much proof you need that they look at my edits to cause a problem.Justanother2 (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justanother2: you have not provided any proof. For the final time - there is no issue here. GiantSnowman 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Kevin Lafrance

Apologies for making the edit without adding a source, and thank you for reminding me. Take care! KibolLP 20:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Soccer

Looked over some of the association football player bios. I think if you want "Estonian SSR", "Latvian SSR" & "Lituanian SSR" implemented where required? You may need a consensus (if one hasn't been established) at the WikiProject which covers that sport. That's what was done years ago, at WP:HOCKEY. GoodDay (talk) 20:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Croatian IP

Can you please remove these diffs: [24], [25]? They contain my first name. Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Also these: [26], [27], [28]. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Ideally, AC Tripoli, AC Sporting, Akhaa Ahli Aley FC, Bourj FC, Sagesse SC (football), Safa SC, Shabab El Bourj SC, Shabab Al Sahel FC, Tadamon Sour SC, Salam Zgharta FC and Racing Club Beirut should all be page protected. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

[29], [30], [31], [32]. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate your help. I have actually already kept a list of IPs here, but the ranges seem quite different from one another. We'll see how this pans out. I might be making a "big" deal of it, but I don't see any other solution. Just because he seems to be keen on representing a Lebanese 2nd tier club as "professional", doesn't mean that I should keep it the way he sees fit. I might stop for 1 week or 2, but eventually I will remove "professional", and he will be back. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:48, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

MOS "best known for"

Re: this revert - yes it is a new addition, added yesterday. A discussion is underway here. Frickeg (talk) 07:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Yes, it was a new addition - see this version from October. Johnbod (talk) 15:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Career statistics sources

Hi there! May I ask you for advice regarding links in career statistics? Is it better to provide one or two ref links for all stats above the chart (e.g Dawid Kownacki) or is if more fitting to add one for each season (e.g. Mateusz Skrzypczak)? Thanks in advance, take care - KibolLP 13:24, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! - KibolLP 23:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2022)

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Issues with Fodbold-fan

I have had repeated issues with user:Fodbold-fan today. He has reverted my edits to Asbjørn Gaarde now three times without explaining what issue he has with my edits. I have left two notes on his talk page, both identical (he deleted the first one without explanation), which explained why I made the edits I did and why his reverting of them was improper. I'm not sure exactly what to do at this point, as I don't want to get into an edit war with someone who clearly doesn't care about the rules or standard editing practice. I saw that you have had issues with the same user previously, so I thought I'd drop a note here to see if you had any ideas. I appreciate your help in advance. Anwegmann (talk) 21:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Update: He's now blanked his entire talk page. Anwegmann (talk) 21:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

So...what are we going to do about the fact that the Asbjørn Gaarde page has incorrect information/formatting as a result of user:Fodbold-fan's edits? What are we going to do about the fact that my edits were both correct and explained? Just ignore it? Anwegmann (talk) 21:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll try again: Do you have some references to back it up with???? Who says it's correct? Who told you, where did you see it? Fodbold-fan (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Anwegmann and Fodbold-fan: please keep the discussion on the article talk page! GiantSnowman 21:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Worsbrough Bridge Athletic F.C.

Hello. Any chance you could protect this article for a bit? Repeated attempts to change the stadium name to the sponsored name by an IP in the last couple of weeks. Cheers, Number 57 22:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Polish Super Cup

Hi, I associate you with the project, hence the question for you. I'm a fairly new user so I have a problem. There is a Category:Polish SuperCup, but all the pages in it - including the main article - are already called "Polish Super Cup". What bot or user do I need to ask to change the category name to "Category:Polish Super Cup" and add a new category to each of the articles? Atlantico 000 (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer! Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2022)

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MOSTOPRESENT

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Javain_Brown&oldid=prev&diff=1075800824 It's not that there was no consensus, it's that you don't like it and there is a MoS, but I'll take it there. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Help with User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates

Hello @GiantSnowman, Good day. I have been trying to install this script. I have installed it and refreshed my cache several times. I have installed other scripts which worked after refreshing the cache by following the instructions at the top of my JavaScript page. I am wondering, I noticed that you use that script which is the reason for asking you. Is there any other thing you did to get it to work? Thanks. Ampimd (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi GSN. I know we've not always seen eye-to-eye of late, but I want to thank you for your bold edit to restore WP:NSPORT to the last good version. Hope you've got your best kevlar ready! Take care. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I am replying here a) in anticipation of others commenting both for and against my revert, so a discussion is all in one place and not spread over multiple user's talk pages and b) so that my position is here and clear, my position being this - despite my opposition to the extent of change that appears to have been found in the RFC close, I do not actually oppose how the RFC was closed. However, what I do have serious issue with those editors who were heavily involved on one 'side' of the debate effectively deciding how to implement the close, possibly to a degree that others would not. That is entirely inappropriate. The RFC closer, perhaps with assistance from truly uninvolved admins, need to be the one to decide what the new landscape looks like after the dust has settled - not anybody else, and certainly not those involved in the carnage that was that RFC! GiantSnowman 20:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Usual Croatian guy

Can you please protect these pages?

• Safa WFC‎
• Super Girls FC‎
• Stars Association for Sports
• ÓBerytus‎
• North Lebanon Stars‎
• Eleven Football Pro‎
• Homenetmen Beirut (football)‎
• Shabab Majdal Anjar Club‎
• Ahli Sarba SC‎
• Al Irshad Club Chehim‎
• Riada Wal Adab Club‎
• Ansar Al Mawadda SC‎
• Amal Al Salam Zgharta FC‎
• Salam Sour SC‎
• Al Taqadom Anqoun Club‎
• Al Ahli Club Nabatieh‎
• Nasser Club Bar Elias‎
• Nahda Club Barelias‎
• Al Ahli Saida SC‎
• Al Mabarra Club‎
• Islah Borj Al Shmali Club‎‎
• Ansar Howara SC
• Al Egtmaaey SC‎
• Al Nabi Chit SC‎

Yes, I know, it seems much. However, the guy has already vandalized these pages multiple times with different IP ranges in the past couple of months. I think there is a basis for protection. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm unsure whether you can see this edit summary. It's clearly him. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 12:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

This edit restored content at NSPORTS against consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Sports notability, specifically subproposals #3 and #8. The closing statement currently stands, as it has not been overturned. Please consider this your final warning; any further attempts to restore the non-consensus version will be reported to ANI. Thank you. –dlthewave ☎ 17:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dlthewave: You're threatening an admin here with ANI action who only did one edit, that tone doesn't sit right with me. Govvy (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dlthewave: the reasons for my revert were clearly explained 48 hours ago; the page is now protected (with essentially the version I restored in place!) and the wider matter is already under discussion at multiple venues. Your threats are embarrassing. GiantSnowman 21:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of The Lakeman Brothers for deletion

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Can you help me

Hi GiantSnowman. I'm writing because I can't get this to work. That's why I thought maybe you knew what was wrong. Been messing with it for some time now, but I still haven't found the solution. What have I done wrong? Can you help? Thnx! Fodbold-fan (talk) 19:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 11, 2022)

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Hady Ghandour

I understand your point of view, but what's the timeframe limit? Raheem Sterling moved from Jamaica to England aged five; great, so he's considered English because he moved there when he was "young". Had he moved there aged 12, would it also be young? What about 17? I'd rather have a "black and white" ruleset (one NT: write that nationality; two NTs: omit; nothing to do with birth place), rather than something subject to interpretation by different editors. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Ghandour started playing internationally for Lebanon in 2015, though, aged 15; this was even before he started playing at youth level in the UK. Throughout all his playing career in the UK (be it at youth or senior level), he had already played internationally for Lebanon at some level. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Haaland and Sterling don't need to be the threshold. The answer to your question "how would the player be described if they never played international football?" would be "he wouldn't be described at all, as he was just a student before his international debut". From the moment he became relevant, he was already a Lebanese international. If the English-born players who play from a young age for Wales/Scotland/Ireland are also in the same situation as Ghandour, I'd also describe those as Welsh/Scottish/Irish. Also, I wouldn't be so sure that, had Sterling not played internationally for England, he wouldn't be described as Jamaican. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not talking about hypotheticals. Of course his Charlton career has nothing to do with him playing at youth level for Lebanon. I'm just saying that, in reality, he has always been a Lebanon international. It's a very different situation to, say, Omar Bugiel, who was born in Germany as a German, and then became a Lebanese citizen in order to play for their national team. Ghandour was, effectively, always notable as a Lebanese. Also, to be clear, is your proposed B&W rule the question "what if they (hypothetically) never played internationally?" Because if so, I would amend it to "how was he effectively known before his int'l debut?" For Ghandour, the answer is N/A. For Haaland, it's obviously Norwegian. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move

Please refer to your procedural oppose and my further comments in this discussion → Talk:OKS_Stomil_Olsztyn#Requested move 10 March 2022. Atlantico 000 (talk) 09:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I referred to your objection in articles about: Stomil Olsztyn, Ruch Zdzieszowice, Pogoń Siedlce. I believe you should change your mind. I have presented the arguments in the articles. Atlantico 000 (talk) 14:32, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I renew my request to comment. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:34, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Wale Kwik-Ajet

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WP:GAR

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Continued original research

Hello!

Sorry to bother you especially given the last time I brought this up (which led to a huge wall of text) so I'll keep this brief: Heesxiisolehh is once again adding original research/analysis as shown here. The letter he cited does not in any way "encompass and coalesce" the head or sultan of Dhulbahante position with the Dervish movement. I took the liberty to look through the actual source cited and not once is that implied. On the section regarding the British reply, James Hayes Sadler never actually explicitly stated that the letter spoke on behalf of the Dhulbahante tribe", but rather he said "In his last letter the Mullah pretends to speak in the name of the Dervishes, their Amir (himself), and the Dolbahanta tribes. This letter shows his object is to establish himself as the Ruler of the Dolbahanta, and it has a Mahdist look". That is clearly original research. It is the author of the secondary source's job to do the interpreting, not Wikipedians.

Given the last time I brought up this issue I honestly don't see nor expect him to stop this in any way. He's quite literally rewriting Somali history with his original analysis, not to mention blatantly disregarding the agreement you reached with him as well as the consensus reached here. Gebagebo (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Futsal notability

Hello sir, does the Wikipedia notability rules for Futsal athletes are the same as Football? ZZ47 (talk) 05:38, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@ZZ47: Sadly no, that does need addressing really, at the moment we go by GNG rules for Futsal players. Regards, (talk page stalker) Govvy (talk) 12:33, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Source

Hello, I was wondering if (https://www.sofascore.com/) is reliable enough to be used in articles about football players. Hopefully you can let me know. Thanks. FNH004 (talk) 06:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop pestering me

According to your message "Please stop pestering me", refer to what you mean. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Please stop posting on my talk page, and please stop pinging me at various talk pages. I'm not interested in further discussion with you. I have come back from a few hours away to SIX notifications from you - two talk page posts and four pings. GiantSnowman 17:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

That's what Wikipedia is all about. Don't be offended by it, just refer to it in turn. If you make factual mistakes, I have the right to mark you in different places and call for a change of decision. Atlantico 000 (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

You've just posted again when I specifically asked you not to! Do it again and I'll ask for a one way interaction ban at ANI. GiantSnowman 17:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course I will write to you as you are a party to the ongoing discussions. You have expressed your opinion... you can get feedback. Normal thing on Wikipedia. Atlantico 000 (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

GKS Górnik 1979 Łęczna

With reference to "GKS Górnik 1979 Łęczna", compare the article about Górnik Łęczna (its name is not GKS Górnik Łęczna) and add my answer in the discussion. Atlantico 000 (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 12, 2022)

Tomba is a drink of Sikkimese cuisine made from fermented millet: warm water is added to the millet and the liquid is consumed. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Sikkimese cuisine Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Letter (alphabet) • First Sudanese Civil War Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Re: Category:Category name has been nominated for discussion

Huh? Grutness...wha? 11:18, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Page move cleanup

Hi GS. Could you help with some cleanup? A page move from an LTA has caused version history issues at Harry Toffolo and Talk:Harry Toffolo. Also Harry Kirby and Talk:Harry Kirby were created. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 12:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I have also cleaned up the mess which was still live hours after the article was returned whence it came on Wikidata, link here. The bot has re titled the English label and link but didn't change it back after the page move was done. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Twente FC honor

Hey GS. Hope I don't disturb your work, but I noticed that FC Twente got an UEFA Intertoto Cup honor listed on their article. As fast as I know, group winners didn't win any trophy, did they??? By that logic, all those small clubs in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 should get to have an international honor on their article?? That kind of doesn't seem right.. When I look at the other clubs, they don't have their group stage wins as an honor, as those three editions had an outright winner. Only the outright winners are listed on List of UEFA club competition winners as well. Idk who added it, and I know you guys had lots of discussions about what constitute an honor, but is this something you could look into? Cheers! Speun (talk) 14:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Added MLS Next Pro as a professional league in the United States as per their announcement

Hey GiantSnow, sorry to bother you. Can I get some more info on why my edit was taken down? Just was confused, and would love a bit of explanation. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstreeter2 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2022)

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March 2022

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Martyr's Memorial C-Division League, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2022)

Paddle ball is a one-person game played with a paddle and an attached ball. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Paddle ball Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Pumpkin pie • Sikkimese cuisine Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Why can't FOOTY play nice with accessibility and other manuals of style

Why do they not attempt to get the MoSes overturned? Ignoring them is why I left the project long ago. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

April 2022

This is an egregious personal attack and completely unacceptable. I think you owe Levivich an apology. For nearly a month you've been making the ridiculous assertion that involved editors must not implement the RfC, which you and I both know is not a rule and never has been. If you still feel that there's misconduct occurring, please take it to ANI instead of casting WP:ASPERSIONS in the middle of talk page discussions. –dlthewave ☎ 01:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Please understand

Nobody is saying Willis or Fox retired from their nationality, but putting retired before American still modifies “actor”. Nobody says "United States retired Marine" they say "retired United States Marine".--CreecregofLife (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Division 1 Östra for deletion

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Joaquim Carvalho (footballer)

Can you please lend a hand here GS? Situation getting out of hand, these IPs keep adding this nonsense in infoboxes (they did the same in António Lima Pereira and Tibi (footballer), for example), when we're not even supposed to link countries. There is also a Lithuanian user that does the same, User:Normantas Bataitis; IPs are from Lisbon, so most likely they're not the same person, but stranger things have happened...

Enjoy that weekend, cheers! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Great Britain Olympic football team (disambiguation)

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This week's article for improvement (week 15, 2022)

In telecommunications, broadband is wide bandwidth data transmission which transports multiple signals at a wide range of frequencies and Internet traffic types, that enables messages to be sent simultaneously, used in fast internet connections. Pictured is a chart of global bandwidth concentration: 3 countries have almost 50% between them; 10 countries almost 75%. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Broadband Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Paddle ball • Pumpkin pie Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Reo Griffiths

Should User:Govvy/Reo Griffiths by merged with Reo Griffiths or not bother? Not much in it, regards, Govvy (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Zaki Oualah

Hi mate it’s Zaki do you have an email address so I can contact you 2A04:4A43:44AF:C14D:792B:C113:1AD3:D002 (talk) 09:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Edit warring

Since you ignored the advice at WP:3RR about not tagging someone with whom you are in an edit war with, I will follow in kind. Stop your edit warring against WP:DATETOPRES on Javain Brown. Your project is to be subservient to the greater project. I think you should step down as an admin until this is resolved. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't 'tag' you - I posted on your talk page in an attempt to discuss the matter. Me being an admin has nothing to do with your infatuation and disruption in enforcing a non-compulsory guideline. I respectfully suggest you take a step back, realise you are the only person pushing this, and then have a think why that might be. GiantSnowman 20:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2022)

Astrid Lindgren was a Swedish writer of fiction and screenplays who is best known for several series of children's books. Pictured is Lindgren around 1960. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Astrid Lindgren Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Broadband • Paddle ball Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Block needed

86.114.229.49 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is vandalizing sandbox and fucking around with RFPP; I'm guessing this is probably some sort of LTA? block is needed wizzito | say hello! 08:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Blocked by @Zzuuzz:. GiantSnowman 08:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

footy?

Does this meet any iteration of footy team standards? CUPIDICAE💕 13:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

There is presumed notability for football teams if they play in the National Cup - I cannot see that it applies here, and the club appears to fail WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 13:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean, presumed notability? Is there a guideline somewhere that says that? –dlthewave ☎ 13:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The very old Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability#Club notability. GiantSnowman 13:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, that project essay says "Per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Teams, teams are required to meet the general notability guideline. The following guidance may indicate at what level teams generally have enough coverage to meet the GNG." You probably shouldn't be using it to advise editors that there is "presumed notability". –dlthewave ☎ 14:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

"The following guidance may indicate at what level teams generally have enough coverage to meet the GNG" = "presumed notability". At no point do I say it is 'automatic'. GiantSnowman 14:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Those terms are not generally understood to mean the same thing and there was community consensus to replace the latter with the former. To avoid causing confusion, I would suggest that you use the consensus language when advising other editors and refrain from conflating the two, even if they mean the same thing in your mind. –dlthewave ☎ 15:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm unaware of any community consensus related to FOOTYN, so I will continue the words I chose. Do not try and police me on my own talk page. GiantSnowman 15:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

For the record, I'm not new and not easily confused by Wikipedia, so the point you're making Dlthewave is pretty moot. CUPIDICAE💕 15:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Giantsnowman, I'm not sure why you would be referring to a project essay instead of the actual guideline in the first place. –dlthewave ☎ 15:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Because you asked for the relevant guideline, I pointed you to it. GiantSnowman 16:13, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

FOOTYN is not a guideline. NSPORTS is the relevant guideline. –dlthewave ☎ 16:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

NTEAMS does not deal with the specifics that Praxidicae was asking for. GiantSnowman 16:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Then the correct response would have been "there is no SNG for football teams, and it doesn't fall under the 'likely to meet GNG' criteria at FOOTYN." –dlthewave ☎ 16:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Nobody obliges you to watch my talk page or to post here. Perhaps you should stop both? GiantSnowman 17:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Request

I've changed a name of a template, so these cats need a move. I can't move as I'm not an admin and nor am I a page mover. Yesterday, somebody requested a move but no admin has had the will to.

• Category:Belgian FA template using numeric ID -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template using numeric ID
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID different from Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID different from Wikidata
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID not in Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID not in Wikidata
• Category:Belgian FA template with ID not matching pattern -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template with ID not matching pattern
• Category:Belgian FA template missing ID and not in Wikidata -> Category:Royal Belgian Football Association template missing ID and not in Wikidata

In addition, I ask you to move this category as "players" is better than "footballers".

• Category:CF Fuenlabrada footballers -> Category:CF Fuenlabrada players Dr Salvus 18:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you use WP:CFDS for these type of requests - although the 'Fuenlabrada footballers' should be a WP:CFD (which I would support). GiantSnowman 17:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Accounts

Hi Gian Snowman, This is concerning user: FFCETT77. I come to you here as you have reverted this edit 4 years ago. The editor whose has mentioned their has a few accounts in Wikipedia in this his user page and one of them is User talk:JE77FFC and the other is when their are 8yo. Looking at the older account JE77FFC, the editor had only 8 edits and some of them are unsourced, a few disruptive but nothing major. I doubt FFCETT77 understand that having a few account might not be advisable but I dont think he used it for sock purposes. My question is that would be better to delete his old account and let them keep the newest one as from their edits, they have made effort of creating article and learning about editing Wikipedia. This was what they wrote on my my talk page. Kindly advise. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 10:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Clean start applies, I believe. No concerns from me if all former accounts have been abandoned. GiantSnowman 17:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you GiantSnowman and will info the editor accordingly. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism and false information re. Borislav Stevanovic

Stevanović was born in Kosovska Mitrovica then Serbia, then Yugoslavia in 1975 before the city changed its name to Titova Mitrovica (after the death of Tito in 1980, the former Communist dictator). Those are the historical facts. Shermanpalicad (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith page

I noticed your Wikipedia editing is not correct and constructive. You apparently bear a grudge against me, vindictiveness because you constantly deleted historical facts regarding Borislav Stevanovic, his place of birth, (though I explained it), and then you saw that I edited Anna Nicole Smith's page and you undone my legitimate changes. It's really uncalled for. Shermanpalicad (talk) 11:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Levi Colwill

Hello, we spoke a few months ago. I was wondering if this image would be suitable to be used on a person's page under a CC2.0 License. The image in question is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esapana-inglaterra-48.jpg . It would be used on Levi Colwill's page. EsTuHabil (talk) 12:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

If it's been on Commons for nearly 3 years then it's probably OK. GiantSnowman 16:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 17, 2022)

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Templates Updating

Hello, As an experienced user as you well are, do you know why template pages aren't updating straight away on other pages after editing it. Many thanks --Skyblueshaun (talk) 08:45, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

it might be WP:PURGE? GiantSnowman 18:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but quite frankly, don't understand. :( --Skyblueshaun (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

That page will explain how to try and solve it for you. GiantSnowman 17:42, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Fabio Miretti

This is just to know: had he scored only once, would I've been able to add a focus about that goal? Dr Salvus 20:08, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning the first goal, or a notable goal (winning in a cup competition, or other goal covered in more significant detail than just. match report) for a senior player is fine. For a youth player? I don't think so. GiantSnowman 20:13, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Another question arleady asked with no reply: why isn't the first team unofficial debut notable? Dr Salvus 20:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Because it's a friendly game, who cares? was it covered in anything other than a run-of-the-mill match report? GiantSnowman 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

And if somebody takes part of a tournée abroad? For example, Alexander Arnold's article says that he'd taken part at Liverpool's stage in the USA in 2016. Dr Salvus 20:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Being part of a pre-season tour? Probably merits nothing more than 'X was a squad member of the club's pre-season tour of the United States in 2016', but only if sources deal with it in more than just a trivial matter. GiantSnowman 20:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Fabio Miretti

A source says he scored X goals in Y appearances during a season while another says he scored N goals in Z appearances for the under-19s. Which info do I write? It looks both sources are reliable. Dr Salvus 17:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

only one is correct, and if you can't work that out (such as by finding a third source), then leave it out. GiantSnowman 07:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I've found another source which cites other numbers. Could I say he'd scored about five goals in about 30 matches and then specify the sources contradict to each other? Dr Salvus 14:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

I think that would be too confusing. GiantSnowman 14:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

ANI short description

Hi GiantSnowman! I changed the short description for ANI as it was over 90 characters and did not display properly in mobile or New Vector search results; see this information page for more details. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 12:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

fair enough, but I suggest you seek consensus on the talk page for any new wording. GiantSnowman 12:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Marino Nicolich

I have expanded the article a little bit, don't know if you want to change your argument at the AfD or not, regards. Govvy (talk) 13:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

good work, but I remain concerned that the only sources are run-of-the-mill stats databases. GiantSnowman 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

yep, I understand that, but he played in Serie A and Serie B, my gut is telling me there are more sources out there, very hard to find know. Tough one for sure. Govvy (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Lucas Cavallini

You are edit warring at Lucas Cavallini and are at WP:3RR. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 18, 2022)

A food court (in Asia-Pacific also called food hall or hawker centre) is generally an indoor plaza or common area within a facility that is contiguous with the counters of multiple food vendors and provides a common area for self-serve dinner. Hello, GiantSnowman. The article for improvement of the week is: Food court Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Mountain pass • Astrid Lindgren Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI •

Page protection request

Hello I believe that this 2 new ip [[33]],[[34]] are the same person who continue to post unsourced and biased edits and reverts on Karađorđe page. Can you please protect the page ? Thank you.Theonewithreason (talk) 09:31 02.May 2022 (UTC)

False Accusations

On my page, you accused me of being a meat puppet, of restoring a banned user's edits, and of going against a clear consensus. I have responded to these false accusations and would appreciate your response. Instant Comma (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

NFOOTY

Hi, Giant Snowman!

Thanks for letting me know about NFOOTY no longer being a thing in recent AFDs. Does that mean football articles are just being assessed off the general notability criteria, or is there some new criteria I ought to know about? Phew, I think that means a lot of footballer articles are for the chop.

Hope you don't mind me asking you directly, it can be difficult to find relevant info at times! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 18:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:SPORTCRIT applies, as NFOOTBALL was abolished at a recent RFC. GiantSnowman 19:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Cody Claver for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cody Claver is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Claver (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Levivich 18:51, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Is this original research

According to this source there were eight players born in 2002 and two born in 2003 in a Juventus U23's match. The source also says that Miretti (born in August 2003) had played as a captain. I've also written to his article that he was the captain despite being the youngest player fielded (the other born in 2003 is Soulé but he was in April). However, the source doesn't say he'd been the youngest but I've written the info having seen that Soulé had been born in April. Is this OR? If so, feel free to remove the info from the page. Dr Salvus 19:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Technically, yes. GiantSnowman 19:16, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

So, what do I do not to make it an OR? Do I write a note saying that there was another born in 2003 but younger of four months citing the source of Soulé's birthdate? Dr Salvus 19:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

no because that's WP:SYNTH. Either find a source that says it, or leave the info out. Do not try and smash together multiple sources to show something. GiantSnowman 19:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010–11 SC Bastia season

Did you mean to encase your delete in ref code? At the moment it looks like you've voted delete and keep on the AfD. regards. Govvy (talk) 08:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

no, sorry, I clicked the wrong code! GiantSnowman 10:09, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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ANI

Sorry to say, but I've mentioned you at ANI, regarding poor AFDs. (not yours of course!) See WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Nfitz Nfitz (talk) 03:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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Reliable websites

Hey GS. Any chance you could run me over why aleaguestats.com is reliable but sofascore.com is not? Falastur2 ^Talk 21:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

No idea about Aleague stats - I had presumed it was an official source - but Sofa is just a random database. GiantSnowman 21:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

It definitely doesn't look official to me. sofascore, on the other hand, appears to be a pretty professional and organised business (and yes, it's an actual business).

But really what this all comes down to is: what constitutes an official source, anyway? Who gets to decide that one thing is reliable and another is not. Surely, by the same logic that sofascore is "just some random database" then Opta, or soccerbase, or RSSSF are also "just some random databases"? What defines a proper database? If it's that it has to be produced by a company rather than as an amateur pet project then sofascore is in and RSSSF is most definitely out. If it has to be that it's widely regarded in the community then how can that actually be proven - for virtually any website at all? I should point out at this point that Wikipedia doesn't actually even have any rules on what makes a statistical source reliable. I've read over WP:RELIABLE a ton of times and I just can't find anything which provides any feedback on statistical sources, and when they can or cannot be used. Falastur2 ^Talk 14:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

do not confuse 'official' and 'reliable'... GiantSnowman 17:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not. This is what I'm saying though. If being official is not proof of reliability, what is the real test? Falastur2 ^Talk 02:18, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

it's only one test. What is the source of Sofa's information? what is their oversight/editing like? etc. GiantSnowman 18:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Their data source is direct from Opta Granted they did enable users to enter live info too, but only at grassroots level - I think we can both agree that none of what I entered for Mombaerts is grassroots level. Given that they are (presumably) feeding Opta's data in directly via API it shouldn't need much oversight, but they do directly say on that page that they have 150 employees, so I have to assume that they have mechanisms in place to identify errors and dodgy sources and correct them. Falastur2 ^Talk 10:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, fair enough, probably reliable then! GiantSnowman 07:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Croatian dude

Hiding his edits with the RevDel tool isn't enough, shouldn't we email the oversighters? Dr Salvus 18:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)