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Lasse Vigen

Hello GS. Happy New Year to you. Could you please Userfy Lasse Vigen to my namespace please, so I can work on it. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Minas Hantzidis stats table

I can understand that you think that the table does not add much information to the article, but the other reasons for your revert are IMHO not applicable. The data was not largely unreferenced (17 of the 23 [≈ 74%] of the listed league apps and goals were referenced) and I can't believe that WP:MOS justifies a complete reverted because data is not up to WP:MOS's standards. --Jaellee (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In that case the distribution of the appearances and goals among the seasons. The infobox shows only the totals for each club. --Jaellee (talk) 13:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
According to your reasoning, I'd have to remove statistics tables from e.g. Bastian Schweinsteiger, Philipp Lahm, Toni Kroos etc. because all repeat the data that can be found at I assume that for other players external links to Soccerway, Soccerbase, Marca, etc. would also make the tables redundant. If you want to discuss whether statistics tables should be added at all, I don't think that this is the right place to discuss it. I see the empty parts as of the statistics table in the same was as red links: an encouragement for editors to fill them up. --Jaellee (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Geylang International FC (2014 Season)


just wanted to give you a heads up that Geylang International FC (2014 Season) has been recreated with exactly the same content under the non-standard name. Also, the 2013 season article has been moved back to Geylang International FC (2013 Season).

I will leave messages on both User talk:UEGIFC and User talk:Helanghijau (because that is a second account which mysteriously popped up in context to edits on Geylang International FC articles) before I try to move the 2013 article back to the standard name; however (most likely due to my prolonged break from editing), I'm not sure about the procedure for the 2014 mess, errrr article. AfD? Or another speedy attempt? Cheers, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 11:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Career stats tables

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Thanks for that, I had no idea. Is there another site which provides the same info? Presumably there is, if it's a copyvio site. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cheers, thanks very much. Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Terence Crawford

You deleted his article in April 2013 based on notability. With all due respect, I'm assuming you're not all that familiar with boxing. Crawford was a top American amateur and now as a professional is signed to one of the biggest, most powerful promotional companies in boxing ... he's fought 2 or 3 times on HBO, is currently undefeated, and is challenging for the Lightweight title in March in Scotland.

To say he isn't notable enough to merit an article would be ludicrous! Please restore that page at your earliest convenience! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi mate, it's odd for me to have to thank you for decimating an article such as you did yesterday to the article on David Johnson (footballer born 1976). Nevertheless, that is what I must do, as I spent most of last night scouring the BBC's archives (using the Wayback machine a hell of a lot along the way) and rewriting the entire page. I wonder if you might take a look at the state of the article as it is now and perhaps give it a new quality rating on the talk page. I was going to do it myself (it's probably up to B-class by now), but I don't feel that's appropriate after I spent the entire night working on it. Cheers. – PeeJay 13:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So what do you think it needs now to get it up to GA-class? – PeeJay 17:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, cheers mate. Thanks for doing the review. – PeeJay 17:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stats tables - group stats by club or list them chronologically


as you made this edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, I'm sure you remember the discussion(s) which led to this consensus. Could you please give me the link to this discussion, preferably here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Players#Group stats by club or list them chronologically so that others can find them, too? --Jaellee (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sebastian Lletget

Hello GS, could you please restore Sebastian Lletget's history in a few hours from a previous AfD. The article has been recreated already because he's making his debut now in the FA Cup against Nottingham Forest. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 12:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm verifying sources thank you very much. Don't tell me how to work here. I'm a trusted user, give me time to finish. Tibullus (talk) 15:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I said let me work. If you do not let me finish including the references, I will report you. Do NOT bully me. Tibullus (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just when I was clicking the edit button to finish including ALL the references, it gets cancelled. Thanks a lot. I hope you are a very happy man now. Tibullus (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What is it hard to understand? Are you kidding me? How old are you? 15? I WANT TO SAVE THE REFERENCES BUT YOU KEEP REVERTING MY EDITS AND EVERYTHING GETS CANCELED. Tibullus (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you gave this person the chance to add the source, your requirements would be satisfied, as I suggested on my talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is disgusting attitudes from people like you that put me off Wikipedia. I want to edit and add the references but thanks to your persistent reverts, everything I write gets erased and so I have to revert your own revertions in the way I can then add the references. Of course by the time I am about to save the references, you revert all over again and it gets into a cat and mouse game to you, doesn't it? You play with people's deaths in ways that go beyond absurd. Tibullus (talk) 16:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nice tone to use for an administrator. Thank you for your so ever delightful insight. You said you want references? I'll give you references. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 All this for "unreferenced material" you never wanted me to complete. Tibullus (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I want you to have an idea of all the minutes I devoted into writing all that which you unfairly reverted. I'm considering leaving Wikipedia for good. You've been one of the last straws but before I do anything further (either leave Wikipedia or report you) I want you to know all I did was done willingly and with good faith. You however seemed not. You were consistent in your abuses, you were mistreating me, a user from 2007, a user who has always tried to improve Wikipedia, a user who always wanted the best. You have the nerve of saying I can spend all the time I did writing that bit of the article alone to add the references? You don't even offer to help. You are so committed into making me go through so much, committed into making me write everything all over again and yet you are not so keen into helping the community and its users improve the article. You are not worthy of the position you have in this community. Tibullus (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I want you to do something useful for a change. Link me to the report administrators page since you lot make regular users have to fish it among the endless Wikipedia bureaucracy. Tibullus (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've made a clear request, you have failed to responde to it and yet you imply I'm a "DIVA". That really isn't helping your case, is it? If you do NOT link me to what I have requested, I will be forced to ask for other administrators' help. Tibullus (talk) 16:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I want to tell you, you've been reported. Tibullus (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, need some advice. In the article there is an upcoming show section and when moving up to the current productions section the source should be moved with it. User:Cytkory constantly updates the article and deletes the references when moving up. Ive asked him to not delete the sources or update them to new ones if he feels no longer relevant. He doesn't reply to talk page messages nor provides edit summaries so it's impossible to know what he's thinking. Im tearing my hair our because he's removed the ref's twice in last 24 hours and i cant communicate with him. It's a long term pattern. Any advice he's a useful contributor so not a vandal but its impossible to verify without sources. Blethering Scot 19:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also if you are around could you move User:Matty.007/sandbox/His Last Vow to His Last Vow over the redirect i created for Matty. Thanks again.Blethering Scot 19:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Was initially trying to avoid doing that as feel he could and is a useful contributor out with the sourcing and the not replying issue. I had a feeling that would be my only option and will do that from now on. Thanks again.Blethering Scot 13:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adam King

Can you restore Adam King (Scottish footballer born 1995), preferably I would think at Adam King (footballer) as he has now played two Scottish Premiership games.[2]Blethering Scot 22:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, looks like it needs a fair bit of work will try and do tonight.Blethering Scot 13:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]



I need ur help. Can you do for me these football kits for my Geylang International FC page.

2008 Season (Home-
2011 Season (Home- ,
(Away-, UEGIFC (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Calvin Kadi/Unverified Material

Hey there, yeah you are right I didn't add the source but it was already mentioned above. I don't know what are you talking about. You can check it out there anyway, I don't want to sound offensive but if you can't read or even bother yourself checking the links ain't my fault at all. I respect your work over here but you need to be more careful before you undo something, always friendly.

Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanosBonJovi (talkcontribs) 17:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article Jack Harris (footballer born 1993) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:


there is no record nor a file that proves that mr. Jack is a professional player according to CFA. (Cyprus Football Association) all i can see is that he has been on Enosis Neon Paralimni for sometime now.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Argento1985 00:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I notice there's been an issue on this article over the date and cause of death. I suspect that on OTRS I'm talking to at least one of those IP editors and they have provided two reliable sources about the date being 5 April 1968 and it not being suicide but a heart attack. One is the local evening paper, the Sheffield Star, and the other is a book, The Wednesday Boys - A Definitive Who's Who of Sheffield Wednesday Football Club 1880-2005 by Jason Dickinson and John Brodie. If full details are provided any problems with changing that section. To me the current citation a single word and date on a website doesn't look the strongest although as I've pointed to the OTRS correspondent is better than nothing which appeared to be the original problem. Nthep (talk) 16:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, he's come back - it's page 137 of The Wednesday Boys and was page 1 of the Star on 5 April 1968. You ok with me changing the article to thzt effect? Nthep (talk) 18:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the message. I've changed the article and have watchlisted it. If there's any problems, give me a shout if I haven't seen it myself. Nthep (talk) 19:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]



can you please drop a line in this message sent this user (see here I think i'm i the right, but you'll be the judge.

Thanks in advance, cheers --AL (talk) 19:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reference Errors on 8 January

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Thank you

Thank you for the deletion of the unnecessary navbox category. Have a nice day Ayoopdog (talk) 20:10, 10 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re your edit summary at Marcel Rapp

No, I didn't do any WP:BEFORE, beyond checking the page history. See Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_deletion_of_biographies_of_living_people#WP:BEFORE_or_what.3F. PamD 20:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Étienne Capoue‎

1) Do you think that "2+2=4" or "a human hand have five fingers" need a source? Obviously they needn't and usually so is for the pronunciations of names: pronunciation rules say how to spell a name (I had already explained this). 2) 99% of the pronunciations you can find here is not sourced and nobody (even you) has thought to do anything about. 3) Even if you are right (but you AREN'T), what do you think it's to be done? To remove all the unsourced pronunciations? Man, it's a huge work... Good luck! By the way, I wonder why you torment Capoue's page in particular. 4) "If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia": hahaha! Sure! They'll put me in a jail! Well, I think I'll run the risk! --Ebdòmero (talk) 18:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ebdòmero, The best place to deal with this issue is on the discussion page for the article. This enables all editors to participate. Edit Summaries however wholesome are not appropriate where there is any challenge. I do not know what the precise concern Giant Snownam has regarding the pronunciation but where an unsourced / improperly sourced addition/ change to a biographical article is made editors have the right to challange it under WP:BLP. GS could also have initiated the discussion! The editors should then discuss on the article's talk page. And just in case you are unclear if anyone persistently continues to revert the status quo of the article prior to the disputed change was first made where the change is challenged, the sanction of a block will frequently be used to stop an edit war continuing. So to use your words back to you I suggest that you don't try and 'run the risk'. I would suggest you assume good faith and post a much toned down version in the sprit of AGF of what you have penned above on the article's Talk Page so a discussion can proceed. Tmol42 (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Riyad Mahrez

Hi GS, we've already discussed the issue of French league reserve stats in the infobox in WT:FOOTY and reached consensus on not including them since it's not a notable level (unlike Germany for example where reserve teams can play at professional level). TonyStarks (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did you miss the part where I said we previously reached a consensus on WT:FOOTY about not including them? It's like you didn't even bother reading my message .. TonyStarks (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't find the discussion but I know it's in the WT:FOOTY archives. I know I specifically mentioned the case of Thierry Henry if it makes searching any easier. The consensus was that reserve team stats are included for first teamers where reserve teams play at a professional level .. so, places like Germany, Spain, Portugal, etc. I'll make another attempt at finding the discussion. TonyStarks (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I noticed you voted for deletion for Jon Burklo. However if you look at the least of teams he played at, it includes the Wilmington Hammerheads who play in USL Pro (formerly called USLSecond Divison) who have always been listed as fully professional at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues. What am I missing? Nfitz (talk) 03:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Niche (footballer) / Family stuff

Hi there GS, AL "here",

given the fact we don't know if he played any actual games for C.D. Motagua (only top division club in his box), shouldn't this article be deleted or at least be put up for deletion?

About the Niguez brothers, i really have a hard time understanding where is the line drawn regarding acceptability parameters. Please mate, note that this is not a criticism on your approach, merely me wanting to learn. I mean, why not consider the infobox also OR and delete it? For me, the stats table is really not all that necessary given we have an infobox, so i have no "beef" with it being removed, but the honours i really don't get.

Regards and happy week --AL (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Hence, does that include the box? --AL (talk) 19:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have worked extensively on the Ñíguez family, finding refs for them all. In a related matter, please my friend, report to this "letter" i wrote at WP:FOOTY (here, you have my promise i will re-remove the info of which i speak therein so you don't have to worry about a thing (i.e. having to go through the trouble of removing it yourself).

Cheers --AL (talk) 01:26, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • As promised, and per JMORRISON's explanations at WP:FOOTY, removed club honours. --AL (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello my friend. I read that article yesterday and has several flaws (in my opinion). Don´t says the cause of death of Domiingo Drummond (that says the link 3), and the final reference (4) is broken. You can verify.

And finally, the phrase "one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013" ... whom do you mean? Thanks!! --Apega71 (talk) 01:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC) one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013Reply[reply]

2005–06 Copa Catalunya

Sorry, I've been away for a couple of days and only saw your message now. I think it's a bit late to re-open, but I'm happy to procedurally relist so everyone can have another go if you like. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Done, enjoy! Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Ian Redford

It was really, really vile of you to decimate the playing achievements of Ian Redford when they'd barely cut him down from where he'd hung himself. He's not even in the ground yet. I hope you're proud of yourself, you disgusting person - just plain unpleasant, nauseating. -- (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Over Linking

I am familiar with this policy, are you? Mentioning the country where a footballer's family originates from and using wikilinks isn't over linking. We mention this on many football player articles, the footballer's heritage due to international eligibility. Example "X is an English footballer of Y decent". How many under 16 year olds will be familiar with Mali? How many over 16 year olds will be familiar with Mali? What is wrong with having wikilinks on Mali? Do you think we should remove the wikilinks leading to St Lucia and Dominica on the article 'Jermain Defoe' because we are over linking? Or should be get rid of the wikilinks leading to Association Football on the article 'Nouha Dicko' because a footballer is common occupation and therefore shouldn't be wikilinked because we are in violation of over link. Over linking would be putting wikilinks on ever other word or putting wikilinks on the same words over and over again on one article. IJA (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Like I said, how many people are familiar with Mali? How many people have even heard of it? And why do we mention countries which footballers are eligible for and use wikilinks? Why do we mention Sierra Leone with wikilinks on the article Ryan Giggs? IJA (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I'm talking about using wikilinks on countries which footballers are eligible for, mentioning this is "particularly relevant to the topic of the article". IJA (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The official football federation of Mali website seems to think so [4] IJA (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. I think one sentence is sufficient until/ if he actually receives a call up. IJA (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit warring on WP:AN

Don't do that. Admins are not superhumans who are allowed to have the last word and put it into the archives even when they are wrong. Hans Adler 20:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mora about Domingo Drummond

Hello GiantSnowman!

Well, not quite understand what you're asking, but I'll be very specific with this article:

  • No cause of death about Domingo Drummond.
  • Link 4 is broken.
  • Doesn`t specify who the other two players who played in the World Cup 1982 are dead. Remember the phrase: "one of three players from the Honduran World Cup squad to have died as of January 2013".

--Apega71 (talk) 14:32, 15 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A kitten for you!

Heey, I luv kittens, so ur gettin' one :D Lizzy <3

Lizzy Knight (talk) 16:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adrián Bone

Relating to Adrian Bone's page, ( is the official Ecuadorian League website. Which has information about how many caps hes received and the loan spell he has had. This is the reason I changed it since no one has updated in such a good while! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sambou Yatabaré

Hello, I see you reverted unsourced edits on Sambou Yatabaré indicating he joined back SC Bastia. I wanted you to know that I added sources indicating he was loaned out these last days. Tuttiseme (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joe Edwards

Can I ask how editing Joe Edwards' page to show his correct position constitutes vandalism? As a Yeovil fan I can assure you that 1) he plays mainly as a central midfielder and 2) I'm in a better position to judge that than you are. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Posted by: Evad37 [talk] 01:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Should lists of notable players be deleted or tagged ?

Should lists of notable players within club articles be deleted or tagged ?

(League Octopus 13:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Does this wording address the issue?
Former EXAMPLE CLUB players with Wikipedia articles are listed below:
Refer to this example:
(League Octopus 14:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]
I can use this format for larger clubs:
but it seems pointless for smaller clubs. It will mean undetaking a lot more format work re categories & links with very little in terms of content.
This is another example where I have introduced nationality into the criteria. In my view details of foreign players is most important info that we should not be deleting.
(League Octopus 14:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Hi, saw this so thought I might as well comment as it is about my editing. I used to tag such lists, but have stopped doing so because the manual of style seemed pretty clear about things and very few of the lists ever got the required inclusion criteria. Personally, I would say that a list of all players with a wikipedia article is not necessary. The link to the category by definition suffices and such a list would not only become unmanageable over time as every player, but would suggest that a player playing for a low league team who then played one game in a fully professional league but would not otherwise pass NFOOTY is more notable than a player who spent their whole career at the club making hundreds of appearances but did not do sufficient to pass NFOOTY of GNG.

Using the example you highlighted first, of the two players on that list, one of which merely was there as a youth player, never making a first team appearance and the other made only 34 league appearances according to their articles. Why would they be called out separately? Why are they specifically notable players at that club just because they have a WP article? To me it seems like both of them actually accomplished very little while at the club.

Additionally, being foreign is not necessarily something that makes a player notable beyond basic WP notability? If the notion of foreign players at a specific club has garnered significant reliable coverage then by all means discuss it, but a random list of players simply because they are of a different nationality strikes me as OR, the editor effectively saying, "these players are foreign, therefore they are inherently more notable than those who are not".

Happy to undo my edits if people disagree and won't remove any more until there is more discussion here. Fenix down (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There are some very useful points being made above by Fenix down but in my view we should be acting upon firm guidance/discussion from WT:FOOTY (assuming there has been none already) if we are to adopt the wholesale deletion of lists of Notable/Former players from Club Articles. At the moment it appears that Finland is the first country to receive the "big-hit".
As a starting point:
1. Is a consistent approach being followed across all countries?
2. Should we tag before we delete?
3. Should we give a reasonable period (say 2 months) to respond to the tag before deletion?
4. Should we provide some proper guidance to Editors on including/excluding lists of Notable/Former players in Club Articles?
5. Can we use a bot to enable the provision of Category generated lists?
6. Can our current dialogue form the basis of a discussion by WT:FOOTY?
NB: An example of a list that has been deleted;
An example of a list being protected:
An example of a Category List:
(League Octopus 19:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]
  • Would be happy for it to be copied over to WP:FOOTBALL if Fenix down agrees. (League Octopus 19:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC))Reply[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
I saw your Wikipedia page on Stephen Constantine and thought it was excellant. My husbad Dennis Lukens is an American coaching professional football in Europe and I thought you might be interested in doing a page on him. Natasha4585 (talk) 10:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

subject matter

Hi I would like to chat with you regarding my last edit, i'm new to this. Can we do it here or can we e-mail. andy80214 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy80214 (talkcontribs) 20:54, 22 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfD nomination of Nike Total 90 Tracer

I've nominated Nike Total 90 Tracer for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 January 23#Nike Total 90 Tracer. Since you participated in the AfD for this page, you may be interested in commenting there. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ConIFA World Football Cup 2014

May I ask why you proposed deletion for a pretty well media covered and now also good ref'd article ? You know I am not a very experienced wiki-guy, but if I take a look at the usual number of ref's and their quality in comparable articles, this one is brilliantly ref'd I guess. And it contains quite a lot of content which is important and interesting for a couple of millions out there I guess. NikauTokelau (talk) 17:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Offensive edit on Araz-Naxçıvan PFK

Hi GS, could you please hide this edit from view. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mata joining Man Utd

GS, regarding Juan Mata, do you feel it would be appropriate to fully protect until Manchester United announce his signing? There have been so many edits saying he's joined, without official confirmation. There has been a request submitted at WP:RPP already. JMHamo (talk) 13:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And perhaps talkpage too with about 20 edit request in 24 hours, some without text at all. QED237 (talk) 14:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
He has now signed. Stalker comment.Blethering Scot 21:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You might want to have a look at the number of edit requests on the Juan Mata talk page ...There are alot of angry people there haha...thankfully its been edited. Not sure if it needs to be archived but I just thought you should know. GiggsIsLegend (talk) 22:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Korean club merger

Hi, GS, please comment on discussion as you did on disscussion regarding Bucheon SK and Jeju United FC. Footwiks (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there GS,

several items to discuss regarding this article, by order of contents: 1 - the box: it's a case of years overlapped, in 2009-10 he played for BOTH the juniors and Real Madrid C, i know perfectly well that Real C is not a youth club, i'm not banned idiot User:Antony1821 (he promised to sock time and time and time again if his original account was blocked, and he had the custom of inserting B-clubs as youth when they are seniors), but in that year he played for both; i tried my best and you re-reverted me, fine with me it stays wrong (a good tip that he also played for juniors that season would be that he only had FOUR games as a senior, but i give up).

2 - the honours (and again, i apologize if my summary seemed a bit overzealous, but i really don't understand): i don't know if you saw my follow-up at the WP:FOOTY report due to our "run-in" at Aarón Ñíguez, if you saw it it's obvious you don't believe me, if you did not see it here it goes: at least in Spanish and Portuguese football, even if the players play one minute in the previous rounds of the domestic cups, they get the honour, no OR there, if they play one game (and one minute at that) in the league, they get the honour. As you very well know like myself, medals are given to the runners-up at the UEFA Europa League, UEFA Champions League, FIFA World Cup, etc, etc, so where's the OR there.

WP is not a reliable source? No it's not my kind sir, but if we click in an article (let's say "List of champions of the Primeira Liga") and that article contains an outside source saying X club won Y honour (when Z player was part of that team), what's wrong in adding the honour to the player?

Regards, happy week --AL (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Low Countries as seen from space
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Tony Adams RM

Hi GS, I hope you don't mind too much but I've reinstated the nominator's support vote on the above-mentioned RM following a disccusion here which you may want to participate in. Maybe the text at WP:RM/CM could be improved wrt nominator's !votes in RMs. benmoore 11:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. Just a courtesy notification that I've removed the prod on the above. Rationale on article talk page. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tim Dowd

I found your decision to remove the page I had started for noted British drama director Tim Dowd to be somewhat puzzling. Mr. Dowd has directed a broad portfolio of well known programme material over his career, most of which is referenced in other Wikipedia entries. The page itself was modeled after an apparently acceptable page for Graeme Harper. While not currently as populated as Mr. Harper's page, it had obviously just been started. Could you expand on why it was unacceptable?

Wrldtvlr (talk) 19:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No - not his agent, never met the man, don't work in the industry, don't even live in the same country. Just appreciate his work. Rather than speculate on the motives of the page author, could we circle back to the original question? That is, the difference between the now deleted Tim Dowd page and the model Graeme Harper page? Would you suggest that Graeme's page be nominated for deletion as well?

Just to make sure I hadn't misinterpreted the Wikipedia guidelines, I did a quick Wikipedia search for "containing TV director". There were over 500 entries found, most of which seem to contain basic biographical information and a list of works, so I'm not sure how a factual list of films directed constitutes promotion. But having not authored a new page before, I'm very willing to be educated.

Wrldtvlr (talk) 21:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion review for Tim Dowd

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tim Dowd. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Wrldtvlr (talk) 02:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You shouldn't disagree...

...with Viriditas, as he's never wrong. I'm sure he'd tell you so himself. BMK (talk) 00:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, could I bring your attention to User talk:GiggsIsLegend where he asks my advice? Obviously I can and probably will reply but I think it would help if you gave him some guidance. School pages can be such a mess. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That was fast. My turn. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Magic pipe

Hi, GiantSnowman. You removed the magic pipe I'd put in the nowiki'd link for the newbie at the Teahouse. To help, of course, and I appreciate that; but I'd put the pipe there deliberately, and removing it makes my sentence untrue. A mere [[User:GiantSnowman]] won't display as GiantSnowman but as User:GiantSnowman. Note particularly that once you've used the pipe in a link and saved, it'll come up in the edit field in extended form next time, as [[User:GiantSnowman|GiantSnowman]]. The lone pipe is transformed at save into the full form. Anyway, it's a useful trick. See Pipe trick. Bishonen | talk 19:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC).Reply[reply]

China League One

I would suggest you start a proper discussion at WP:FPL, and not individual AFD pages, as it is likely to receive wide attention/input there. GiantSnowman 12:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I agree it is the place one should do it. But I'm not sure it would receive wide attention. After I raised the issue I thought I should check WP:FPL for an old discussion on the issue. And I was shocked to see that there was a relatively recent discussion. Hmm ... odd, it was right on the front page ... someone must have archived it. Here it is - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues/Archive_11#China and there was precious little discussion. One guy pointing out that documents indicate that they were, and you disagreeing. AFD seems to have much wider discussion, unfortunately. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

e-mailing Giant-Snowman

hi Forgive me, I'm not great with I.T. I can't find how to e-mail you from your talk page, neither can i find how to change my profile. If you could talk me through it I would be most grateful (Andy80214 (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)) AndyReply[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
The page on Dennis Lukens is a great start. Sorry, I am new to Wikipedia and I am having trouble with my edits. Do you have an email address? Sorry for the bother. Thank you. Natasha Natasha4585 (talk) 19:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Didier Drogba career stats

Hello, Chelsea-fan1 (talk · contribs) keeps re-adding unsourced career stats for Didier Drogba. I have started a discussion on the Talk page and left an edit summary, but it's not getting through. Could you please intervene? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC) Reply[reply]

Looking at the edit history, it seems to be a SPA too. JMHamo (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ignore this, it's been dealt with by Mattythewhite. Thanks! JMHamo (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The life sciences involve the study of living organisms
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Canadian Soccer League (CSL 1987 - ?) - A Fully Professional Soccer League

Hello. Mark Arsten closed my discussion related to the deletion of an article, which is fine because I think the issue of providing proof that Peter Pakeman played in the CSL was successfully addressed. Unfortunately, I've been dragged kicking and screaming into the discussion about whether or not the CSL was a fully professional soccer league. I'm hoping you will keep this discussion open until I hear back from my sources. In order to create some continuity from previous dicussions, I'm including links to references previously identified.,, Thx!InPerpetuity (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Thx!InPerpetuity (talk) 19:26, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Citations policy

Hi GiantSnowman,

Please refrain from destructive behavior and become familiar with Wikipedia policy. Although boldness of Wikipedians is a great asset, I would caution you not to be WP:RECKLESS. Please do not systematically remove information from articles that is not cited. I advise you to read WP:NOCITE, where it is pretty clear that "If a claim is doubtful but not harmful, use the {{citation needed}} template". Number charts that are not cited may be doubtful, but they are not considered harmful to the biography of the living individual. The WP:LIBEL policy refers only to information that does not adhere to WP:NPOV. Wikipedia policy requires that you add a template here, NOT remove it all. You should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy before such reckless editing. --BoguSlav 20:20, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ha! A response to me without responding to what I brought up. The editor who got the policy wrong tells me to find EVEN MORE policy that contradicts his sweeping deletions! WP:LIBEL does not apply to in this case because although this information may be doubtful to you (whether or not he scored all of those international goals and participated in all of those international matches), it is certainly not libelous to the subject of this article, and therefore it is not your role to blindly remove it, but you can put up a template about citations needed. There is nothing else in WP:BLP that you can possibly use that justifies these removals.
However, instead of a reasonable response, I get a command: "Do not re-add uncited, challenged material to a biography of a living person, simple as that". Clearly you are not familiar with the Wikipedia policy that is listed above. In that case, I wonder how you became an administrator. Additionally, now that you are informed of this policy and choose to break it, I wonder why are still an administrator.--BoguSlav 20:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Why are you bringing WP:LIBEL into this? I have asked you to read WP:BLP...". ummm... I'm bringing up WP:LIBEL because I read WP:BLP, which discusses the WP:LIBEL in this section: Wikipedia:BLP#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material, which you appear to ignore entirely.
Regarding this, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Why do you interpret these statistics to be contentious? Can you give a reason as to why you think these statistics are controversial? Do you think that the editor who added this information (not me by the way), made all of this stuff up, or all of this info is just false in general? Why don't you AGF and add a citations template, to give editors the chance to find reference to it?
I don't understand why you are not willing to have a reasonable objective discussion. This time, besides telling me what to do, you also threatened to block me.
Additionally, you appear to have recruited a bunch of editors to come in and argue against me as a group. You still have not been addressing the issues that I brought up with dialogue. If your comments continue to consist of only commands with no discussion about my concerns, I might need to bring this to a dispute resolution board regarding Wikipedia:WikiBullying. Specifically, regarding your refusal to discuss and giving the perception of power with no regard to another editor's point of view when brought up to you.--BoguSlav 06:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you give the most recent specific discussion where excluding assists was decided upon? I remember taking part in a conversation on WP:Football not too long ago, where no consensus was reached. Can you show me the voting where the position for excluding assists got a large majority?--BoguSlav 06:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I guess we will continue to disagree on whether you should put up at citations template for perfectly reasonable statistics or flat out delete it. In my opinion, flat out deleting them all is disruptive to Wikipedia as a whole because these statistics are in no way libelous, and you think that anything that does not have some kind of external link next to it must immediately get removed regardless of whether or not this information is reasonably true. However, in the end, both your opinion and my opinion are just opinions, and your opinion is not more important than mine. However, when I bring these up to you to have a conversation, you flat out tell me what to do in your first five responses (on my talk page and in edit summaries).

This is the main issue that I think needs to be addressed on your part. Your opinion is no more important than that of any other editors here at Wikipedia, but your gut reaction is to tell them what to do first and only discuss with them many responses later. This is what needs to be brought up at dispute resolution. I have noticed this in your conversations with many other wikiepdians, who were just frustrated with your method of commands and ultimatums without ever responding to the specific points that have been brought up before you gave them commands and ultimatums. I am confident that many editors would agree with me on these points.

As for bringing this up in the BLP noticeboard, all you achieved is got a bunch of editors who are not familiar with the situation to come in and take your side. This was a just a fancy way of recruiting other editors in your side, and does not at necessarily make your opinion more valid.

Finally, you have not given me a specific link to a conversation where consensus was reached regarding assists. Every conversation I have took part in, or read, on the WP:Football talk page simply ended in a disagreement on both sides. Perhaps you should bring it up in a vote.--BoguSlav 16:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joe Lolley

Hello GS, could you please restore the edit history on Joe Lolley prior to it being deleted by AfD. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 14:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Some of the current history contains a copyvio of the Huddersfield press release, most obviously the pre-Kidderminster career sentences. That may need looking into, and I've informed the article creator about the issue. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More height changes

Not sure if I'm going to invest the time to see it through, but I've initiated an inquiry with Gibson about a recent edit of his to change m to cm on Steve Prescott as a prerequisite to opening a new ANI if necessary for topic ban.—Bagumba (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shinnie and Devine

Re. reverting your edits - Please accept my apologies, GiantSnowman. A mistake on my part. Woodlandscaley (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

article question

In the Jordan national football team article, what does "caps" supposed to mean under the "current squad section"? Games played for senior national team? I've got a problem with Yallandar (see bottom of User talk:Yalladar) and want to make sure I understand that right. Bgwhite (talk) 18:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Back to the Future (musical)

Can you merge the history of User:Blethering Scot/Back to the Future (musical) into Back to the Future (musical) for attribution. Ive merged the majority of sandbox into article.Blethering Scot 21:40, 5 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gaston Sauro

Hi, I didn't mean to remove the whole Swiss Cup, this was more or less accidental, I just wanted to remove the source, as it was not needed. That Basel was runner-up can be seen in the article about the 2012-13 Swiss Cup and is not in any way controversial oder ambiguous, so there is no source demanded per policy. Also, I don't see why you simply didn't put it back in the article without removing every content about Boca Juniors titles I just added. I will remove the sources for now and reinstall the Argentine trophies, if you should provide a reason why the sources are needed for the article, you are of course welcome to put them back in.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, if you insist on having your sources fine, but I would be grateful if you, as I have told you above, could make it a habbit of not totally reverting senseful edits and at least make your changes in a constructive way(e.g. not reverting everything without checking what is needed) to save other editors work.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You don't need to revert the entire section right away, a citation needed tag would do for the beginning, I will look for sources over the day, feel free to do it yourself if you can't wait, sadly I'm a little busy right now...
Goddammit, you know as well as I do that in those cases you simply put up a citation needed tag, instead of reverting constructive edits and pissing of other editors that simply try to improve an article. Your removals are not even justified by WP:BIO, as the absense of sources does not have to resort in a removal in non-controversial cases. You are just one of those stereotype admins that simply need to have their way. WP:BIO says, even in bold, challenged or likely to be challenged, and our edits are in no way challenged. Maybe you want to read WP:BIO yourself again first.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 12:53, 7 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can add it as long and as often as I want to for aforementioned reasons. I'm really asking myself how someone who doesn't even know the guidelines he is refering became an admin. Ever wondered why no articles about football players, even on Ronaldo and Messi, have sources for the trophies? Because they are not challenged or likely to be challenged. If you keep on vandalizing the article I will report you and have you blocked. Consider this your last warning. Just what qualifies you to be an admin in the first place? You don't even seem to know how football articles are organized...--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 11:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, it seems to me that User:GiantSnowman is repeatedly removing edits, even then when they are indeed sourced. I have double sourced of few of the things that he repeated and falsely removed from Gastón Sauro. I hope that he will now leave the article alone. Best regards --Huligan0 (talk) 15:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A tag has been placed on Murry Kasmuri (drummer), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo, or other unlikely search term.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that administrators wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Wyliepedia 16:44, 7 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block evasion

I went over here to inform the editor about infobox datestamps and realised it was the indefblocked Joshuaforest mutilating Nottingham Forest player pages in his own individual style. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Will you please stop herrasing me? It's not per default wrong just because you don't know nor understand it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saesonkort (talkcontribs) 11:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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This staircase is an impossible object
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Now would be a good time. Hengistmate (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Despite having been blocked for 24hrs, 48hrs, and 3 months, is at it again: and, most recently, Regards, Hengistmate (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Would you suggest I should have BLPPRODed the article instead? The player looked marginally notable from a brief Google search. TeleComNasSprVen (talkcontribs) 00:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 2014

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Just an FYI, the club have played in the FAI Cup. Cheers, Number 57 18:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CallumPewwyy's User page

Hi GS, could you please have a look at CallumPewwyy (talk · contribs) User page as it looks like an article. I've warned him before and nothing has changed. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Soccer players

Hi Snowman, I'm new and learning you know. You can correct my edits. Thanks.-Roberto197 16:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto197 (talkcontribs)

List of women's football clubs in Turkey AfD

Hi GS, could you please close List of women's football clubs in Turkey AfD please. I've withdrawn my nomination. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 13:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi GS. Could you please remove the link to the Transfermarkt template at the following protected pages:

and any others I may have missed, although I believe that's all. The removal of the template is called for at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Thanks, C679 19:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn't see that, thanks for the changes. C679 19:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

René Meulensteen

Hello, could you please semi-protect René Meulensteen do to the high number of anon edits being made and Felix Magath too. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did I close this OK? After Number57 added the links I only got back to it this morning. Murry1975 (talk) 09:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Samuel Inkoom

Hello GiantSnowman, referring to your deletion on Samuel Inkoom. Don't threaten me with the Wikipedia:Blocking policy because it's you who is acting against this policy. Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia and this is exactly what you are doing (!!!) The difference between good manners and bad manners is: if someone challenges the information that's good manners, but if someone just deletes it then that's bad manners. You did NOT challenge the information (which can also be found within the links) you just DELETED the texts and the links and the Web-Link. What have you got against Samuel Inkoom's website: This is a correct weblink. Ghana won the silver medal at the Africa Cup of Nations see: 2010. Basel won the Swiss Championship, see the league table in: 2010. Basel won the Swiss Cup, see the Final in: 2010. And so on and so forth. I have reinstalled your pointless deletion, but at the same time I have double linked the Swiss Championship and the Swiss Cup. This in the hope that you will not revert to another contravenes against the Wikipedia's policies. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stop icon Hello again GiantSnowman, this is your last warning. Don't threaten me again, because I even double and treble referenced the information. Therefore you should really block yourself from editing. Greetings --Huligan0 (talk) 16:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi again GS. Was going to post an update but you've already archived my last one in under 24 hours! I have finished removing the Template:Transfermarkt and there are no more transclusions in article space. Hopefully now it can be "put to bed". Thanks, C679 16:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some time ago I saw a link in userspace from one of the project members which listed these pages, do you happen to know where I can rediscover it? Thanks, C679 16:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was in the final TfD! Will get to work on that. Thanks, C679 07:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nomination of Awudu Ibrahim for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Awudu Ibrahim is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Awudu Ibrahim until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. GiantSnowman 11:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Ah, interesting point about the I-League. Yes, that might change things. Nfitz (talk)


FYI, you might wish to consider archiving your talk page, it's rather long and hard to navigate. GiantSnowman 11:06, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Thanks, though I'm not a great believer in archiving user pages. If it ever comes down to it, I'll likely blank it.

Man of Doom & 324988ab

Hello GS, I see you've blocked 324988ab. Just so you know, I have opened a SPI case on Man of Doom (talk · contribs) and 324988ab (talk · contribs) who I suspect are the same people. Should this be closed now? JMHamo (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JMHamo (talk) 22:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blue Eagle, Minnesota

I see that you deleted this page last year. I live in the town that Blue Eagle was part of, and would like it restored.Thudster (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I've gotten to close in the situation with User:Yalladar. They tried a sockpuppet route and now uses User:IslamicHeroes623. Conversation has been going at User talk:Yalladar. I originally did a two day block for adding unsourced edits at Jordan national football team. They've edit the page atleast 15 times since end of November and keeps getting reverted. They got off the block and edited the Jordan article again. I blocked for one week and they went the sockpuppet route. Things boil down to adding unreferenced additions that are incorrect. That's why I asked you a question a few weeks back. The reason why they do, " I have better sources, but they can't be shared here on Wikipedia, so instead I keep track myself." Can't add an external link correctly to save their life. Adds Facebook links, even if it is a dead link, "This player Alaa' Al-Marafi does have a Facebook page, he just doesn't use it much." or Facebook pages to different people. This edit is a fun one. There is a correct Facebook page, but he adds an additional one to another person. Of course this tops it off, "No matter how many more times you guys try to stop or block me from contributing to this website, I will never stop, whether you like it or not!!!!!!".

They edited again today and made unreferenced additions to tables, changed a person's name and removed information without stating why. Sigh. I've hit a brick wall. I'd love to do a longer block, but I'm too close. Anything else I say will go nowhere. Bgwhite (talk) 06:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Betty Jaynes

Just curious what prompted you to start Betty Jaynes (basketball)? She's not particularly well-known outside basketball circles, AFAIK.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleting Article of Bhupendra Chaubey

Dear Giant.

I understand that you deleted the Wikipedia page on Bhupendra Chabey.

Was it because i alone wrote it? If yes, how many people should have edited the people?

Please restore it, because all the references that were used in the article were genuine.

Many thanks Kunal — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Giant. I understand you had to restore the article. Just letting you know that I am sending it to AfD. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, GiantSnowman. You have new messages at GiggsIsLegend's talk page.
Message added 14:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.Reply[reply]

Hi Giant. I've mentioned you on my talkpage during a conversation with another editor. Can I have some assistance. I wasnt sure if you would be notified so I thought I'd give a heads-up :) GiggsIsLegend (talk) 14:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey GS, when you're removing places from the opening parentheses per OPENPARA, could you double-check that the information is mentioned elsewhere in the article, and if not maybe add it somewhere? I've noticed a couple removals lately where the locations are now not included at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About Zeca Amaral editing

The only thing I did to Zeca Amaral was just adding his 2014 team which is Benfica de Luanda. Can you tell me what is it you claim I did wrong "without confirming sources"? Ok I am sorry for that


I don't use this site often, only when things annoy me on Facebook, like pictures being missing from Facebooks Wiki pages.

1) I don't like some of Facebook's Wiki page's not having photo's/picture's, so when I see a page without a picture I come on here to add one.

Can I just go on Google, find a picture relating to the subject, upload to Wikimedia Commons, then copy and paste the link it on the Wikipedia article in question without getting it removed?

2) Ages ago I found an easier way of editing Wikipedia without having to use brackets etc.

How do I do it/Where do I find it?

3) How do I add links to prove what I edited is true, to stop it getting removed?

--Danstarr69 (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


2) That's what I've been looking for, cheers.

3) Cheers

But 1) I still don't understand. How can I find out if an image off Google/Yahoo/Bing is copyrighted and not allowed to be used, and how do I get permission?

--Danstarr69 (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, per WP:DTAB we are encouraged to include captions above tables, to act as a title to describe the nature of the table. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Feeder club source

Hi, apologies for the rollback without explaining my reversion - I updated the source after seeing the article in an ESPN article, it is a much better source than the WSC article. oceeConas tá tú? 17:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Country of birth of Mustapha Zitouni

Hi. Can I have your opinion on this modification that I have made in Mustapha Zitouni, where I changed French Algeria to Algeria, as it can be read in the sources that I added. Best regards. --Indif (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Technically there was no country called 'Algeria' at that time - it was called French Algeria. We should therefore use that for the sake of historical accuracy. GiantSnowman 10:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I agree that there was no state called Algeria at that time, but there was a territory called Algeria, which was technically a colony, distinct from France, even if France politicians tried somehow to assimilate it to France. You can have some insights on this matter in these two books, for example : France at War in the Twentieth Century: Propaganda, Myth, and Metaphor and Unsettled States, Disputed Lands: Britain and Ireland, France and Algeria…. That explains why we read Algeria and French Algeria in the sources that I've provided. Regards. --Indif (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well as far as Wikipedia was concerned, that particular region was, between 1830 and 1962 called "French Algeria". Before that it was "Ottoman Algeria" (1517–1830) and after that it was "Algeria" (1962 to present). At the time of Zitouni's birth, the location he was born in as known as "French Algeria" and so the article should reflect that. GiantSnowman 12:26, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not exactly, the territory is officially named Algeria, since october 1839 [5]. So in fact, at the time of Zitouni's birth, the territory was known as Algeria, and that period of time (Algeria under the ruling of France, from 1830 to 1962) is known as French Algeria or Colonial Algeria. Have you had the time to read the couple of books given upper ? --Indif (talk) 13:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the Wikipedia article is about "French Algeria" then that is the term we use, it is as simple as that - not your original research. If you feel the name is icorrect, you should suggest a name change. GiantSnowman 13:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How can it be WP:OR when we can find that information in two important secondary sources (FIFA and FFF) ? The name (the expression in fact) is not incorrect, in the sense that it is used to distinguish between two concepts: Algeria describes Algeria as a territory, in all its dimensions (geographical, historical, economical, climatical, and so on), while French Algeria focuses on the specific historical period of this territory when it was a French colony. It's as simple as that. --Indif (talk) 14:05, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sigh, like I've said, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, he was born in "French Algeria" and that is what his article should reflect. I cannot see why that is so hard to understand? GiantSnowman 18:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But as far as Wikipedia is concerned, in accordance with WP:V, Zitouni is born where reliable secondary sources say that he is born, and in fact, these sources say that he is born in Algeria, and Algeria is the official name of the territory since 1839. --Indif (talk) 19:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
MOS - "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved." GiantSnowman 19:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Exactly! Before 1830, the territory was named "Ottoman Algeria" or "Regency of Algiers", between 1830 and 1839 "Possessions françaises en Afrique du nord" (French Possessions in North Africa), and since 1839 "Algeria". --Indif (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NO! Look at the article on French Algeria, what period does it cover in the infobox? GiantSnowman 21:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If French Algeria relates to a period of time, then it must not be used as a place of birth; if it relates to a place name, then it's faulty, Algeria being the name to use [6]. --Indif (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My word, this is very, very basic stuff. Zitouni was born in French Algeria, a colony which existed under that name from 1830 to 1962. That's why we have an article on it, and named as it is named. What is so hard to understand about that? If you disagree with the name of the article, suggest a change at the article talk page - but do not introduce bogus piping. GiantSnowman 22:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, there's an article named Roman Gaul, but this name relates to a period of time and does not constitute a name of territory. Nobody was ever born in a territory named "Roman Gaul". We simply say that someone who was born during that period of time in that territory was born in Gaul. It's the same situation for French Algeria. It's as simple as that. --Indif (talk) 07:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your example simply proves my point. Would you say that Caesar was born in Italy? GiantSnowman 09:48, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Il would have proved your point if the territory was named "French Algeria", but unfortunately for us, it was named Algeria, and the same name has remained until now. In fact, the question is not how I would say where Caeser was born, but what the sources say about his place of born, which is undoubtedly Roma, while the place of birth of Zitouni (according to the official name and what reliable sources report) is undoubtedly "Algeria". --Indif (talk) 10:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For the final time, I will try and explain this as simply as I can. The article we have is called "French Algeria", that is where he was born and that is what his article should reflect. Why can't you understand that? GiantSnowman 10:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Like Françoise Dorléac was born in France, not in Vichy France, Zitouni was born in Algeria, not in French Algeria. --Indif (talk) 12:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, she wasn't. The article on Vichy France confirms that that was "France during the regime of Marshal Philippe Pétain, during World War II, from the German victory in the Battle of France (July 1940) to the Allied liberation in August 1944." Anyone born there between those dates was born in Vichy France. If you cannot see simple facts like that, you might want to stop editing here and go back to where your views are no doubt acceptable. GiantSnowman 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
() Definitively she was. When refering to the article on Vichy France, you are simply misreading it. Vichy France stands for a historical period and a political regime of the French state, not France itself (see Vichy France on Britannica). --Indif (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jesé - Reply

Was preparing to message you (i don't revert friends without briefing them also on what i did) when i saw you had done the same (have not read it yet, i'm in a hurry due to family matters), so here it comes:

Snowy, my exclamation point in my reversion summary has nothing to do with lack of respect or shouting, only utter shock. Why "shock" you ask? Because last year you removed the honours, i asked why and you said "please provide sources", i did and you removed them again? I repeat, i am utterly and totally wiki-shocked.

Another administrator, User:Mattythewhite, told me on the subject (an admin mind you, not an average user!), regarding another player where the honours were removed, that he does the following: he refs the honours in storyline, so they don't have to be so in the proper honours section. I did so in Jesé, and you remove them... please confer with him on this matter, and please reinstate the honours in the player's article.

Kind regards --AL (talk) 21:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Even though i told you what Matty does (and if he's an admin, he's surely playing by the book), you are still not fully convinced. But i have to respect you and i WANT to do so, so refs have been added (one new, the others "doubled"). Cheers --AL (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion of Melissa Maizels

I think there is cause to delete this page on notability issues, as she has not played a senior game. --SuperJew (talk) 11:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Milos Krstic

Almost every sentence I have added in that article has been complimented with a reference. [Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players Here] is a template from which most football biographies are written, and even if an article is short wouldn't you agree that headers would encourage other editors to expand specifically under each subsection? I am not going to add them back unless I make the article longer but still. I know you mean the best and I see you've made the statistics more accurate from soccerway's website but I am sure if everyone was blocked for the kind of edits I have done in this article that there would be no editors on WP. Zastavafan76 (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, Thank you for your response. If you don't mind I'd like to bring back the headers without returning commentary or deleting your ref tags. However I would like to address one deleted section:

Krstić came to OFK in 2009, where he became a member of a well-remembered generation of players which reached the third qualifying round of the 2010-11 UEFA Europa League. Although OFK was eliminated by Galatasaray, Krstić scored a free-kick goal against Galatasaray in the first leg 2-2 tie.[1]

I acknowledge it's just "one goal" and from a west European perspective it may not be a big deal to score against Galatasaray, but Serbia's league has a coefficient such that it is rare for any team from Serbia to play against a team which regularly plays in the Champions League. In this article, if you need you can put google translate, you can read the last paragraph under "trener ekipe", where the coach which coached the team which tied Galatasaray is named OFK's best coach in the past 10 years. Just having played against Galatasaray, believe it or not, got him more recognition than all of OFK's other coaches 10 years before him (and there were many!). Furthermore, in this English-interview OFK's ultra group claims that their greatest attendance since their establishment as ultras was against Galatasaray. For these reasons I used commentary words "well-remembered generation" which I otherwise would try not to use upon your advice on author commentary in wiki articles. Zastavafan76 (talk) 18:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have returned the headers and even added more citations. Is this an appropriate time to remove the verification/ref tags on the article? Zastavafan76 (talk) 22:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! Zastavafan76 (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there GS, AL "here",

based on the data available on the Thai and Malaysian leagues ( shows nothing on either, the TPL website i think also nothing, but i can't read Thai) and the fact that he has not played pro football in his country, is this notable?

Attentively --AL (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some months ago, you eliminated from the Dennis Rawlins biography his determination of the asymptotic relation of planetary perturbation to relative distance. This discovery is referenced to the top astronomical journal of the Royal Astronomical Society of London. Restoration would seem called for. Edit by D.Rawlins — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


FYI... Yalladar is back with a new sockpuppet. I've added a SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Yalladar Bgwhite (talk) 07:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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An example of the human skeleton
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Karan Singh Banga

Thanks for the close, was just getting to that. I've blocked the creator, looks like there might be a bit of sockage going on there too. Yunshui  13:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Kante4 and live updates

Hi. Could you please have a word with regular editor User:Kante4 he insist of adding live updates even thoug we are not supposed to. I informed him here which he immediately undid. I told him a second time when he did it again which he also reverted now with edit summary blah blah blah, bs. Despite tries to discuss he keeps being uncivil and aggressive so I had no alternative but to start using templates even if he is a regular. He removes them with not very polite edit summaries like pfffff... doing this since years. He should improve his language and discussion skill as well as stop with the live updates so if you could have a word before I feel the need to go to ANI or ARV that would be highly appreciated. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 20:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I still think it's not wrong as the cap number does not change. If goals are scored those are added also. Don't see what's wrong with it. That i think that QED's action are a bit over the top is another topic... That's not something where i would even think about ANI/ARV. Kante4 (talk) 20:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I have every Real player on my watchlist so i would detect that right away. See a discussion like that is better than the copy/paste stuff QED does. Still don't agree with that but it's ok then i guess. He often overreacts with his templates and stuff and that's pretty annoying i think for my part. (Maybe that he is "new" is something i dislike aswell than with his actics but that's for me personally like i said) Kante4 (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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Slow living

The information you have added back - which I have re-removed - was unreferenced and unencyclopedic. The external links serve nothing but to promote certain 'slow living' organisations - so they have also been removed. Is this topic even notable? GiantSnowman 18:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, GiantSnowman. I do think this is a notable topic. And while I see that you want references, by taking out so much the page now says very little about the concept. Perhaps there is a compromise here. Do you only want quoted sources? If so, I am willing to look around for some. With a quick search, I did find the references below. They may lead to something useful. I have also had this discussion with another editor who thought it wasn't a significant topic, but after sending him several links he agreed that it was. I guess this is the nature of Wikipedia. Give me a sense of what you'd like to see, and I'll see what I can do.

There is a book with the title "Slow Living":

The Guardian has an article:

The Huffington Post has several articles that are tagged or mention "slow living".

Snailwiki (talk) 00:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alexandru Pascenco

Transfermarkt is not a reliable source so I was well within my rights to remove it, and as that left the article unreferenced I was well within my rights to add a BLPPROD. Thank you for finding a basic reference. GiantSnowman 20:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Rights? This is a collaborative project, not a legal exercise. It's lazy editing. The whole point of BLP Prod is to quickly delete articles for people who are either are not real, or so grossly unnotable that there aren't any references. Clearly a player who you can confirm is real within second on Google, and who may meet WP:NFOOTY, should have a reference added, not a BLPPROD. And eliminating an accuate reference, because you don't think it's a reliable source (even though the data there seems to have been reliable) WITHOUT replacing it with another reference? That's also lazy. Nfitz (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, it's not my opinion that Transfermarkt is not reliable, it is community consensus following a number of discussions at WP:RSN, see also {{Transfermarkt}} which has been deleted as a consequence. As for my PRODs, I obviously added without realising the Moldovan league was FPL, see my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maxim Antoniuc. GiantSnowman 09:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your focussing on whether or not Transfermarkt is not reliable ... that is not the issue. The issue is that removing a reference from a reliable source, isn't then grounds to BLPPROD the article after you've moved the source. Especially if the information in the reliable source, is very easily verifiable in a number of reliable sources. It's lazy editing. Don't do this. Nfitz (talk) 00:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply] back again. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who created the original article? Is Arjunnolan11 (talk · contribs) a sockpuppet? JMHamo (talk) 21:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Struway2: @JMHamo: - article deleted and SALTed, not sure if it's a sock, you might want to ask @Yunshui:. GiantSnowman 09:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good use of the sodium chloride there GS. I was a bit suspicious, but originally thought Arunnolan11 was just an innocent bystander - guess not. SPI filed. Yunshui  11:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Recent Moldovian Prods

I had just started going through recent prods (I'd only looked at BLPPRODs earlier, when I looked at Alexandru Pascenco. I removed one of your, and then noticed there were many.

What am I missing ... as far as I understand it the top Moldovan League is listed at WP:FPL. So why are you prodding them? Nfitz (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, it's not my opinion that Transfermarkt is not reliable, it is community consensus following a number of discussions at WP:RSN, see also {{Transfermarkt}} which has been deleted as a consequence. As for my PRODs, I obviously added without realising the Moldovan league was FPL, see my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maxim Antoniuc. GiantSnowman 09:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So reading that AFD ... if you'd found out that they did meet FPL, why didn't you remove the PRODs? Nfitz (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It has been my idea from time immemorial. Please add a citation tag to the given bit of the article (in this case honours), if i can't find a source by the end of the week (i will browse like crazy), remove the section.

Cheerio --AL (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Even though i don't know why do you need a source (reliable or not) to prove he won the Primera División de Costa Rica titles from 2007 to 2010 when he played 12, 20 and 23 league games in the process... --AL (talk) 13:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah (i have the tendency of replying to messages - when i know what they are about - before i: 1 - see the message i receive; 2 - consulting the current state of article), you have already reverted me, fair enough, it stays that way! --AL (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

But i apologize for reverting you, that i do. --AL (talk) 13:15, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cheerio, happy rest --AL (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Music issues

Hello mate,

I saw that you make contributions in Football, but do you help in music as well? I have some issues in the Twenty One Pilots page. An IP user keeps complaining of a paragraph about religion in "musical style and influence" section, and me and my buddy RhettGedies are trying to mantain the paragraph in the page. Can you help us? If not, do you know someone who can "fix" this issue?

Thanks in advance, MYS77 talk with me ☺ 19:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Range block

Hi, do you think a range block would be appropriate to stop the hordes of IPs being used by the long-blocked Umberto Bottura (talk · contribs)? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rawlins & Perturbation-Theory

The MNRAS is apparently not on-line before 1998. But a citation to Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society 147:177-186 [1970] would be adequate. Edit by D.Rawlins — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Because it is so vast, there are a large number of different cultures involved in Prehistoric Asia
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Eddy Antoine

Good morning. In terms of my categorisation edit, did you know under the Haitian constitution everyone is "black" regardless of skin colour? All black people in the world are from African descent due to the dispora. Would you deny the fact that Michael Jordan is of African descent? It makes little sense to revert such an edit especially when it is one so minor involving meer categorisation. However, your service to the community is noble and are well-welcomed, so keep up the wonderful job, but beg you to reconsider. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savvyjack23 (talkcontribs)

I'd be very interested to see where in the Constitution this can be found? If so, Stephanie Villedrouin for example could not be Minister of Tourism as she is of European decent. (NB: the above is the 1987 constitution - the amendments since then all focus on dual citizenship). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karst (talkcontribs) 10:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Savvyjack23: - "All black people in the world are from African descent" - you can get dark-skinned Asians, dark-skinned Aboriginal Australians etc. etc. - and of course if you believe in evolution (as I do) then everyone is of African descent. Please also sign your posts. GiantSnowman 13:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Constitution of 1805: 14. All acception (sic) of colour among the children of one and the same family, of whom the chief magistrate is the father, being necessarily to cease, the Haytians shall hence forward be known only by the generic appellation of Blacks. [7] - As I agree everyone is technically "African," since everyone's ancestry goes back to it, that is not the conversation at hand. We are not talking about thousands and thousands (perhaps billions) of years, we are discussing a few hundreds of years, to modern-day history. Also, why would an Aborigine change colour? Isn't it as hot in Australia, you can fry an egg on the pavement over there. A tanned Asian is not black just as much as a tanned Englishman is not! African blacks were brought to Haiti as slaves. That's like saying an African-American doesn't have African descent. You would be crazy to say that in the states. To argue a Haitian who is black of not having African descent is absurd and a clear lack of understanding of the history of Haiti. And I know who the minister of Tourism is Karst. Yes, she is Haitian of European descent, born in Venezuela to Haitian parents who were diplomats at the Haitian embassy in Venezuela and who co-presented a gold disc plaque with President Michel Martelly recently to a Haitian singer named, J. Perry for his outstanding performance of Dekole which was said to be a start of a turning point for Haiti, whom I have recently created an article about. Furthermore, this constitutional verse of 1805 in fact wasn't intended to be taken literally, it was to avoid racism. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In addition, you are arguing about your own personal opinions, beliefs and rationale, rather than fact alone, whether you are right or wrong about it. This would be known as original work to the Wikipedian community if you wrote about such a thing, which you are probably already well aware of. To bring up evolution furthers that notion of personal belief and opinion, which piggybacks a "theory" or an "opinion" of Darwin's. Your profile says you are an atheist doesn't it not? So its pretty clear you are arguing on personal belief. It would be the same if I was to counter evolution, with the creation story. Neither are proven facts according to man and cannot be used to explain African descent. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Who said tanned? Read Afro-Asian - "modern descendants of aboriginal, mostly uncontacted, Asian ethnic groups with direct genetic ties to ancient first-wave migrants coming out of continental Africa." Your assumption that this player is of African descent because of the colour of his skin is, while likely correct, nothing but personal research, not based on any reliable sources. GiantSnowman 19:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have recently been reading up on the Haitian artist Frankétienne, a true legend. I think his life experiences show that you can never presume that what GS points out.Karst 20:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay there you go, an "Afro-Asian" is of African descent, hence the term Afro. So an Afro-Haitian is not of African descent? See: Afro-Haitian. So, Eddy Antoine is an Afro-Haitian (according to your terminology of the "Afro" usage) and thus not of African descent? Does that even make any sense? You just basically proved yourself why you are wrong about "African descent". I was making a categorisation edit not writing about the man's biography, is it edits like these that you have so many? Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, Karst, he has some wonderful art; I was actually reading about him today, it is funny you mentioned him. He should have a picture of himself uploaded in his article. Frankétienne is a mulatto, which in fact is also of African descent technically but there is a category for that already (Haitians of Mulatto descent). I know not to assume, but can you deny that Eddy Antoine is a "Haitian of African descent?" I would sure hope not. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

According to this article, there are DNA tests to prove that Aborigines are the first modern humans to migrate from Africa. [8] Which we all are, so technically, they are of African descent and is proven but to be "politically correct" for the modern world, they are the indigenous of Australia. However it is a known fact to the "modern politically correct world", that before slavery was introduced to Haiti, there were only indigenous Taino (natives) living there. So why don't we put African descent for every person of European origin? -Because it would be "politically incorrect" to do so even though it is true. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Savvyjack23: - you are babbling and making no sense. To assist you, I am going to be as clear as possible - find reliable sources to back-up your categories, otherwise they will be removed per WP:BLP. GiantSnowman 09:51, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, GiantSnowman. I see you deleted DJ Hoppa; could you please restore it to User:Launchballer/DJ Hoppa because I've found quite a few sources on the subject and I'd like to try again? I wrote the second revision, the one that was A7d, and I'd like every revision after the one with edit summary "The text was deleted as a copyvio but I can at least give you an infobox". Thank you.--Launchballer 08:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, GiantSnowman. The source of my information is: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Negron21 (talkcontribs) 18:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: is a copyvio website

I knew there must have been some sort of catch after finally finding his 08/09 stats. I doubt Soccerway add stats on request but I think I'll send them a cheeky e-mail asking if they will. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lo and behold they've added the stats to his profile. Wasn't expecting such a positive result. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re. Disruptive editing

The Jodcast

Hey, I was surprised to find that not only does the Jodcast not have a page, the page has previously been deleted for not being notable enough. The Jodcast is an amazing podcast about astronomy run out of Jodrell bank/University of Manchester which has been going for many years now. Their website [9] archives shows since at least January 2006. It's student run (PhD student) and it's amazing what they do, and I really think worth a wikipedia page. How would I go about proving it's notability and nominating it for being undeleted (or recreated). FYI I am an astronomer, but I have never worked on the Jodcast or at Jodrell bank. KarenLMasters (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for your welcome in my home page. I'm spanish and I use mainly that page, but I will pass here to see my messages too.--Rwheimle (talk) 07:38, 6 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]